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* ''Film/GlengarryGlenRoss'', like the play it was based on, is a satire of the sales world and the dishonest lengths to which successful salesman will go. Blake's profanity-ridden "motivational" speech intended as the culmination of ruthless capitalism. Even worse, it's clear Blake doesn't believe what he's saying; he speaks to the office manager "out of character" immediately before starting. Also, he disparages the rest of the salesmen in the office, lets them know they'll be fired if they don't sell enough, and refuses to listen to the rather reasonable excuse that the leads the salesmen get are bad ones. However, many real-life sales managers now use this speech out of context as an ''actual'' motivator for salespeople. Worse yet, some managers show it ''in context'', sometimes to take a stance against ruthless capitalism, and sometimes to let their employees know that they want nothing less. Regardless of why it's shown, people who use the scene as a motivational tool conveniently ignore that Blake's speech doesn't work; all it does is lead to the salesman making terrible decisions that make everything worse, to the point that [[spoiler:one of the salesmen outright robs the office for the best leads available. This is because he's so desperate to save his job that it's the only way he can reasonably meet the sales goals that he's being asked to meet by upper management]]. It also ignores the real issue, which is that the leads the salesmen were given genuinely are terrible, and they're unable to get ahead with them. Telling them "sell harder" and threatening their jobs doesn't inspire them to do better, it just makes them resort to desperate measures and makes things worse for everyone.

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* ''Film/GlengarryGlenRoss'', like the play it was based on, is a satire of the sales world and the dishonest lengths to which successful salesman will go. Blake's profanity-ridden "motivational" speech intended as the culmination of ruthless capitalism. Even worse, it's clear Blake doesn't believe what he's saying; he speaks to the office manager "out of character" immediately before starting. Also, he disparages the rest of the salesmen in the office, lets them know they'll be fired if they don't sell enough, and refuses to listen to the rather reasonable excuse that the leads the salesmen get are bad ones. However, many real-life sales managers now use this speech out of context as an ''actual'' motivator for salespeople. Worse yet, some managers show it ''in context'', sometimes to take a stance against ruthless capitalism, and sometimes to let their employees know that they want nothing less. Regardless of why it's shown, people who use the scene as a motivational tool conveniently ignore that Blake's speech doesn't work; '''doesn't work'''; all it does is lead to the salesman making terrible decisions that make everything worse, to the point that [[spoiler:one of the salesmen outright robs the office for the best leads available. This is because he's so desperate to save his job that it's the only way he can reasonably meet the sales goals that he's being asked to meet by upper management]]. It also ignores the real issue, which is that the leads the salesmen were given genuinely are terrible, and they're unable to get ahead with them. Telling them "sell harder" and threatening their jobs doesn't inspire them to do better, it just makes them resort to desperate measures and makes things worse for everyone.



*** In response, the filmmakers made an AuthorsSavingThrow with ''Film/AvengersEndgame'' by making Thanos even worse. [[spoiler:First and foremost, even though [[TheBadGuyWins Thanos does indeed kill half of all people in the universe]], it doesn't do what he hopes to do. And when a past version of Thanos sees that it doesn't work[[note]]Past!Thanos changes his goal not because the original plan "didn't work", but because the heroes were trying to undo what he did[[/note]], he changes his goal to just killing ''everyone'' and starting completely over.]] As a result, while most people got the message, there were still a scant few who insisted that Thanos was right, in a perverse sort of way.

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*** In response, the filmmakers made an AuthorsSavingThrow with ''Film/AvengersEndgame'' by making Thanos even worse. [[spoiler:First and foremost, even though [[TheBadGuyWins Thanos does indeed kill half of all people in the universe]], it doesn't do what he hopes to do. And when a past version of Thanos sees that it doesn't work[[note]]Past!Thanos work (Past!Thanos changes his goal goal, not because the original plan "didn't work", work," but because the heroes were trying to undo what he did[[/note]], did), he changes his goal to just killing ''everyone'' and starting completely over.]] As a result, while most people got the message, there were still a scant few who insisted that Thanos was right, in a perverse sort of way.
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** ''Film/TheDarkKnight'''s version of ComicBook/TheJoker is an ''especially'' disturbing case of MisaimedFandom, since we're talking about a guy who does his evil deeds ForTheEvulz. Though he makes a plot-critical miscalculation of human nature at the climax of the film, Joker fanvids [[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EQT6YCF6lhk like this one]] say things like ''"everything The Joker says is true."'' They wrote him extremely well, and he was acted very well by [[Creator/HeathLedger an actor]] who died between filming and release. He lives in a CrapsackWorld where his StrawNihilist philosophies ''do'' seem true at first and still have truth in them, but [[ObfuscatingInsanity it's heavily implied that he crafts these philosophies to get under people's skin or persuade them,]] not because he actually believes what he says. Of note is the Joker's claim that he doesn't plan anything, when the film actually shows a fairly complicated long term plan from the beginning. Many people took his claims at face value, not realizing they were supposed to be lies.

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** ''Film/TheDarkKnight'''s version of ComicBook/TheJoker is an ''especially'' disturbing case of MisaimedFandom, since we're talking about a guy who does his evil deeds ForTheEvulz. Though he makes a plot-critical miscalculation of human nature at the climax of the film, Joker fanvids [[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EQT6YCF6lhk like this one]] say things like ''"everything The Joker says is true."'' They wrote him extremely well, and he was acted very well by [[Creator/HeathLedger an actor]] who died between filming and release. He lives in a CrapsackWorld where his StrawNihilist philosophies ''do'' seem true at first and still have truth in them, but [[ObfuscatingInsanity it's heavily implied that he crafts these philosophies to get under people's skin or persuade them,]] not because he actually believes what he says.says (evidenced by the way the story of how he got his scars is different every time he tells it). Of note is the Joker's claim that he doesn't plan anything, when the film actually shows a fairly complicated long term plan from the beginning. Many people took his claims at face value, not realizing they were supposed to be lies.
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** Loki gets this quite a bit. Most reactions to him range from EvilIsCool to EvilIsSexy, forgetting the "evil" part. In spite of Loki eventually pulling a HeelFaceTurn, he was trying to take over Asgard, killed countless people in Manhattan, and did it all over a petty grudge. Yet more than a few people like Loki, feeling him to be a JerkassWoobie who was justified in lashing out at his family.

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** Loki gets this quite a bit. Most reactions to him range from EvilIsCool finding him cool to EvilIsSexy, sexy, forgetting the "evil" part. In spite of Loki eventually pulling a HeelFaceTurn, he was trying to take over Asgard, killed countless people in Manhattan, and did it all over a petty grudge. Yet more than a few people like Loki, feeling him to be a JerkassWoobie who was justified in lashing out at his family.
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* ''Film/IntoTheWild'' is a dramatized account of Christopher [=McCandless=]' final days living alone in Alaska. Like the book and the real-life events that inspired it, the film ends with Chris (weak and starving to death) realizing that "happiness is only real when shared", and that you need other people in your life to live and thrive. Soon after this, Chris [[DyingAlone dies alone]] while wanting to be with his family again. That goes without mentioning he dies [[SurprisinglyRealisticOutcome due to serious lack of preparation and skills needed to survive in the wilderness]]. Yet, bring the subject of the film or [] up online, and you'll see at least a few people who either romanticize his actions or show disdain for modern society, seeking to emulate him.

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* ''Film/IntoTheWild'' is a dramatized account of Christopher [=McCandless=]' final days living alone in Alaska. Like the book and the real-life events that inspired it, the film ends with Chris (weak and starving to death) realizing that "happiness is only real when shared", and that you need other people in your life to live and thrive. Soon after this, Chris [[DyingAlone dies alone]] while wanting to be with his family again. That goes without mentioning he dies [[SurprisinglyRealisticOutcome due to serious lack of preparation and skills needed to survive in the wilderness]].wilderness. Yet, bring the subject of the film or [] up online, and you'll see at least a few people who either romanticize his actions or show disdain for modern society, seeking to emulate him.
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** This one actually gets referenced in ''Web of Franchise/SpiderMan'' #13 (1985), where Peter, tired of putting up with [[TheChewToy the universe constantly dumping on him]] has this phone conversation with Mary Jane:

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** This one actually gets referenced in ''Web of Franchise/SpiderMan'' ''ComicBook/WebOfSpiderMan'' #13 (1985), where Peter, tired of putting up with [[TheChewToy the universe constantly dumping on him]] has this phone conversation with Mary Jane:
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** In ''Film/AvengersInfinityWar'', Thanos is a genocidal madman whose goal is to wipe out half of all life in the universe by using the Infinity Gauntlet. Ostensibly, this will "restore balance" and make it fair for the remaining half still left after he's done. Many a fan saw Thanos as a WellIntentionedExtremist instead. Even a few casual movie-goers felt that, while Thanos was absolutely wrong to attempt such massive loss of life, his end goal made a certain kind of sense. This ignores how Thanos could use the Infinity Gauntlet to create an infinite amount of resources, or do something equally noble instead of killing trillions, and that killing half of all life in the universe would only "fix" the issue for about 30-40 years at absolute most (a fraction of a heartbeat of the time humanity has existed, let alone Earth, let alone the infinitely older universe). Not helping is that Thanos does show a few moments of genuine VillainRespect which make him out to be more sympathetic. [[note]]Even Donald Trump got in the act by tweeting a Thanos scene in ''Film/AvengersEndgame'' with his head pasted on Thanos' body....Which was [[https://www.themarysue.com/donald-trump-is-thanos/ absolutely LUDICROUS]] [[https://www.themarysue.com/colbert-donald-trumps-thanos/ for a number of]] reasons.[[/note]]

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** In ''Film/AvengersInfinityWar'', Thanos is a genocidal madman whose goal is to wipe out half of all life in the universe by using the Infinity Gauntlet. Ostensibly, this will "restore balance" and make it fair for the remaining half still left after he's done. Many a fan (even on This Very Wiki) saw Thanos as a WellIntentionedExtremist instead. Even a few casual movie-goers felt that, while Thanos was absolutely wrong to attempt such massive loss of life, his end goal made a certain kind of sense. This ignores how Thanos could use the Infinity Gauntlet to create an infinite amount of resources, or do something equally noble instead of killing trillions, and that killing half of all life in the universe would only "fix" the issue for about 30-40 years at absolute most (a fraction of a heartbeat of the time humanity has existed, let alone Earth, let alone the infinitely older universe). Not helping is that Thanos does show a few moments of genuine VillainRespect which make him out to be more sympathetic. [[note]]Even Donald Trump got in the act by tweeting a Thanos scene in ''Film/AvengersEndgame'' with his head pasted on Thanos' body....Which was [[https://www.themarysue.com/donald-trump-is-thanos/ absolutely LUDICROUS]] [[https://www.themarysue.com/colbert-donald-trumps-thanos/ for a number of]] reasons.[[/note]]
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* If the Website/YouTube comments for the film ''Film/TheBeliever'' are any indication, then the Nazi VillainProtagonist / AntiHero of the film has earned a lot of white supremacist fans despite the film being anti-Nazi and the protagonist being Jewish. Disturbingly appropriate, since the film was inspired by the life of Dan Burros, a Neo-Nazi who commited suicide when his Jewish identity was revealed. George Lincoln Rockwell even [[YouAreACreditToYourRace praised Burros]]. Then he said that Jews were "a unique people with a distinct mass of mental disorders" and attributed the suicide to "this unfortunate Jewish psychosis".

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* If the Website/YouTube comments for the film ''Film/TheBeliever'' are any indication, then the Nazi VillainProtagonist / AntiHero of the film has earned a lot of white supremacist fans despite the film being anti-Nazi and the protagonist being Jewish. Disturbingly appropriate, since the film was inspired by the life of Dan Burros, a Neo-Nazi who commited committed suicide when his Jewish identity was revealed. George Lincoln Rockwell even [[YouAreACreditToYourRace praised Burros]]. Then he said that Jews were "a unique people with a distinct mass of mental disorders" and attributed the suicide to "this unfortunate Jewish psychosis".



* On the subject of high school movies, Ally Sheedy's character Allison in ''Film/TheBreakfastClub'' is seen by some fans as some kind of proto-goth heroine and they were ''furious'' that she undergoes a makeover in the last 5 minutes of the movie. What they may fail to realise is that the character is deeply unhappy being on the fringe of school society and desperate, in fact, for attention and friends. Essentially, she's messed up, and so when Claire helps her feel special by giving her a makeover (she finally ''smiles''), it's supposed to be a good thing for her character - a new beginning with new friends, and potentially a new boyfriend (Andy). Her previous appearance (with straggly hair and scruffy clothes) might appeal to some viewers (who may see her as something of an AudienceSurrogate) but in the context of the film, it just made her look unapproachable to her contemporaries. We're supposed to be pleased for her, not horrified she's "not weird like us" anymore. The fact that the makeover is a huge example of FashionDissonance doesn't help.

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* On the subject of high school movies, Ally Sheedy's character Allison in ''Film/TheBreakfastClub'' is seen by some fans as some kind of proto-goth heroine and they were ''furious'' that she undergoes a makeover in the last 5 minutes of the movie. What they may fail to realise realize is that the character is deeply unhappy being on the fringe of school society and desperate, in fact, for attention and friends. Essentially, she's messed up, and so when Claire helps her feel special by giving her a makeover (she finally ''smiles''), it's supposed to be a good thing for her character - a new beginning with new friends, and potentially a new boyfriend (Andy). Her previous appearance (with straggly hair and scruffy clothes) might appeal to some viewers (who may see her as something of an AudienceSurrogate) but in the context of the film, it just made her look unapproachable to her contemporaries. We're supposed to be pleased for her, not horrified she's "not weird like us" anymore. The fact that the makeover is a huge example of FashionDissonance doesn't help.



* Many tween-age girls completely missed the point of ''Film/{{Clueless}}'' -- a vapid and shallow girl realizes how meaningless that sort of life is -- and instead attempted to ape the fashion and attitude of the characters from the beginning of the film. According to the PBS documentary ''[[http://www.pbs.org/speak/ Do You Speak American?]]'' (which is about the different dialects found in the United States), ''Clueless'' is '''directly responsible''' for speading the ValleyGirl dialect across the entire country; before that, it was contained to the West Coast. That's right, the movie that tried to mock Valley Girls turned their way of speaking into a nationwide phenomenon instead.

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* Many tween-age girls completely missed the point of ''Film/{{Clueless}}'' -- a vapid and shallow girl realizes how meaningless that sort of life is -- and instead attempted to ape the fashion and attitude of the characters from the beginning of the film. According to the PBS documentary ''[[http://www.pbs.org/speak/ Do You Speak American?]]'' (which is about the different dialects found in the United States), ''Clueless'' is '''directly responsible''' for speading spreading the ValleyGirl dialect across the entire country; before that, it was contained to the West Coast. That's right, the movie that tried to mock Valley Girls turned their way of speaking into a nationwide phenomenon instead.



* Screenwriter Neil Simon said he was surprised when people came out to him to say they identified with Lenny, from the original ''Film/TheHeartbreakKid1972'', since he was intended to be a jerk - he leaves his wife ''while on their honeymoon'' for a ShiksaGoddess who, he claims, lacks the neuroses and competitiveness of his New York peers. These viewers must be forgetting the last scene, where Lenny is again alienated, discovering that the "traditional values" family he was joining was just as disfunctional - not to mention how antithetical it is to espouse support for family values just after leaving his new bride. It became so bad that the [[Film/TheHeartBreakKid2007 2007 remake]] just made Lila a gross, stupid drug addict, and the woman he leaves her for a truly perfect match.

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* Screenwriter Neil Simon said he was surprised when people came out to him to say they identified with Lenny, from the original ''Film/TheHeartbreakKid1972'', since he was intended to be a jerk - he leaves his wife ''while on their honeymoon'' for a ShiksaGoddess who, he claims, lacks the neuroses and competitiveness of his New York peers. These viewers must be forgetting the last scene, where Lenny is again alienated, discovering that the "traditional values" family he was joining was just as disfunctional dysfunctional - not to mention how antithetical it is to espouse support for family values just after leaving his new bride. It became so bad that the [[Film/TheHeartBreakKid2007 2007 remake]] just made Lila a gross, stupid drug addict, and the woman he leaves her for a truly perfect match.



** This eventually led to the creation of ''Series/CobraKai'' in which Johnny Lawrence is the protagonist to deliver a more in-depth exploration and a complete deconstruction of this behaviour. It is [[{{Anvilicious}} repeatedly shown]] that the toxic rivalry between Daniel and Johnny is ultimately self-destructive for both of them and all of the teenagers involved in their competition become increasingly aggressive, ruthless and/or dangerous.

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** This eventually led to the creation of ''Series/CobraKai'' in which Johnny Lawrence is the protagonist to deliver a more in-depth exploration and a complete deconstruction of this behaviour.behavior. It is [[{{Anvilicious}} repeatedly shown]] that the toxic rivalry between Daniel and Johnny is ultimately self-destructive for both of them and all of the teenagers involved in their competition become increasingly aggressive, ruthless and/or dangerous.



** A good chunk of the fandom have mistaken the Jedi practicing mindfulness and emphasis on emotional discipline as repressing and supressing emotions. Despite numerous examples of Jedi characters being told to trust their feelings and the emotional expression we see both on and off-screen. Part of the problem is you could remove the Jedi Order entirely from the Prequels and have the only Jedi characters be Anakin Skywalker, Obi-Wan Kenobi, Qui-Gon Jinn, and Yoda and the plot would be the exact same. We simply don't get a lot of exploration of Jedi culture and teachings not even in WesternAnimation/StarWarsTheCloneWars because that wasn't the story Prequel media was telling. Fans went in expecting the Prequels to be heavily focused on the Jedi and Jedi Order when both were easily removable window dressing. Even officially liscenced creators have fallen into this.
*** In contrast ComicBook/StarWarsTheHighRepublic is giving what fans have been craving for: a proper deep dive into the Jedi and Jedi Order. As a result you get a much more in-depth explaination of teachings that were previously brushed over due to narrative constraints or disinterest. It helps that the writers involved have a pretty good understanding of the vision Creator/GeorgeLucas had of Jedi culture and philsophy in a way a lot of other previous writers hadn't.

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** A good chunk of the fandom have mistaken the Jedi practicing mindfulness and emphasis on emotional discipline as repressing and supressing suppressing emotions. Despite numerous examples of Jedi characters being told to trust their feelings and the emotional expression we see both on and off-screen. Part of the problem is you could remove the Jedi Order entirely from the Prequels and have the only Jedi characters be Anakin Skywalker, Obi-Wan Kenobi, Qui-Gon Jinn, and Yoda and the plot would be the exact same. We simply don't get a lot of exploration of Jedi culture and teachings not even in WesternAnimation/StarWarsTheCloneWars because that wasn't the story Prequel media was telling. Fans went in expecting the Prequels to be heavily focused on the Jedi and Jedi Order when both were easily removable window dressing. Even officially liscenced licensed creators have fallen into this.
*** In contrast ComicBook/StarWarsTheHighRepublic is giving what fans have been craving for: a proper deep dive into the Jedi and Jedi Order. As a result you get a much more in-depth explaination explanation of teachings that were previously brushed over due to narrative constraints or disinterest. It helps that the writers involved have a pretty good understanding of the vision Creator/GeorgeLucas had of Jedi culture and philsophy philosophy in a way a lot of other previous writers hadn't.



** One of the interesting things about ''The Third Man'' is that this also happens within the film. Most of the main characters are convinced that Harry is just a loveable rogue; the protagonist is actually taken to the hospital specifically to dissuade him of this belief. In the end his love interest hates him for turning against Harry, despite it being the right thing to do.

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** One of the interesting things about ''The Third Man'' is that this also happens within the film. Most of the main characters are convinced that Harry is just a loveable lovable rogue; the protagonist is actually taken to the hospital specifically to dissuade him of this belief. In the end his love interest hates him for turning against Harry, despite it being the right thing to do.



* ''Film/StarTrekIITheWrathOfKhan'': The novel ''Literature/MobyDick'' is part of Khan's private library and he quotes Captain Ahab throughout the movie. Either Khan missed the point of the novel or [[AlternateCharacterInterpretation alternatively]], he understood the point of the novel completely and recognised the parallels between himself and Ahab, but was so consumed by his rage that he didn't care, or just so arrogant that he believed that, unlike Ahab, he could slay his white whale without destroying himself and his crew. Also, it's possible that Khan knew he would die as a result of his actions, but he wanted to [[TakingYouWithMe take Kirk with him.]] A "TheOnlyOneAllowedToDefeatYou"-sort of thing. None of this is thematically out of tone with ''Moby-Dick'', since Ahab himself is at least partly aware that he's dooming the entire ship over a matter of pride, but he just can't help himself.

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* ''Film/StarTrekIITheWrathOfKhan'': The novel ''Literature/MobyDick'' is part of Khan's private library and he quotes Captain Ahab throughout the movie. Either Khan missed the point of the novel or [[AlternateCharacterInterpretation alternatively]], he understood the point of the novel completely and recognised recognized the parallels between himself and Ahab, but was so consumed by his rage that he didn't care, or just so arrogant that he believed that, unlike Ahab, he could slay his white whale without destroying himself and his crew. Also, it's possible that Khan knew he would die as a result of his actions, but he wanted to [[TakingYouWithMe take Kirk with him.]] A "TheOnlyOneAllowedToDefeatYou"-sort of thing. None of this is thematically out of tone with ''Moby-Dick'', since Ahab himself is at least partly aware that he's dooming the entire ship over a matter of pride, but he just can't help himself.



* Played for laughs with ''Film/ThorRagnarok'' where, after his 'death', Loki has had a statue built in his honour and a play detailing his 'heroic' journey and death; while this was actually requested by Loki himself under the guise of Odin to fuel his ego, it's notable that ''the play is popular'' and people seem to genuinely mourn him (ironic, as he was hated in life). When Thor sees both the statue and the play (as well as the reaction to it), he's pretty unamused, but it's what makes him realise pretty quickly that 'Odin' is Loki in disguise.

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* Played for laughs with ''Film/ThorRagnarok'' where, after his 'death', Loki has had a statue built in his honour honor and a play detailing his 'heroic' journey and death; while this was actually requested by Loki himself under the guise of Odin to fuel his ego, it's notable that ''the play is popular'' and people seem to genuinely mourn him (ironic, as he was hated in life). When Thor sees both the statue and the play (as well as the reaction to it), he's pretty unamused, but it's what makes him realise realize pretty quickly that 'Odin' is Loki in disguise.
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* Way too many people who saw ''Film/{{Midsommar}}'' see the movie as the story of a young woman who gets out of a bad, abusive relationship and gains a sympathetic community that gives her everything she was lacking before, without taking into account the ''constant'' manipulation and {{gaslighting}} of everyone, especially the protagonist Dani, by the Harga, the {{cult}} that functions as the movie's primary antagonist and which engages in HumanSacrifice. It's implied at the end (and explicitly stated in the screenplay) that Dani has [[SanitySlippage gone completely insane]] as she fell into the cult, culminating in a very creepy BrokenSmile as she watches [[spoiler:her boyfriend getting burned alive]]. Not to mention that, due to said manipulation, the 'cheating' that her boyfriend Christian does with Maja is [[DoubleStandardRapeFemaleOnMale actually rape]]. Regardless, the film's [[DaylightHorror brightly-lit]] FolkHorror aesthetic wound up influential on decidedly non-horrifying forms of female-oriented pop culture, in particular being credited with [[https://www.refinery29.com/en-us/2020/10/10133048/midsommar-white-nap-dress-fashion-aesthetic the popularity of "cottagecore"]] in the early 2020s. A common joke about ''Midsommar'' is that it's the DistaffCounterpart to ''Film/FightClub'' in terms of viewers DramaticallyMissingThePoint and taking away the opposite of the film's clearly-stated message.

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* Way too many people who saw ''Film/{{Midsommar}}'' see the movie as the story of a young woman who gets out of a bad, abusive relationship and gains a sympathetic community that gives her everything she was lacking before, without taking into account the ''constant'' manipulation and {{gaslighting}} of everyone, especially the protagonist Dani, by the Harga, the {{cult}} that functions as the movie's primary antagonist and which engages in HumanSacrifice. It's implied at the end (and explicitly stated in the screenplay) that Dani has [[SanitySlippage gone completely insane]] as she fell into the cult, culminating in a very creepy BrokenSmile as she watches [[spoiler:her boyfriend getting burned alive]]. Not to mention that, due to said manipulation, the 'cheating' that her boyfriend Christian does with Maja is [[DoubleStandardRapeFemaleOnMale actually rape]]. Regardless, the film's [[DaylightHorror brightly-lit]] brightly-lit FolkHorror aesthetic wound up influential on decidedly non-horrifying forms of female-oriented pop culture, in particular being credited with [[https://www.refinery29.com/en-us/2020/10/10133048/midsommar-white-nap-dress-fashion-aesthetic the popularity of "cottagecore"]] in the early 2020s. A common joke about ''Midsommar'' is that it's the DistaffCounterpart to ''Film/FightClub'' in terms of viewers DramaticallyMissingThePoint and taking away the opposite of the film's clearly-stated message.
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** The franchise often gets flak from viewers who take its central premise, an annual holiday in which all crime is legal for twelve hours, at face value, pointing out all the logical flaws with it. The thing is, these exact criticisms form part of the text of the films themselves. In-universe, the Purge was developed as a thinly-veiled attempt at [[KillThePoor population control]] and the [[OppressiveStatesOfAmerica authoritarian suppression of minorities and dissidents]], which grows increasingly clear with each subsequent installment. All that stuff about "releasing the beast" and letting people run wild for one night to reduce crime during the rest of the year is meant to be understood as a propaganda fig leaf for [[GreaterScopeVillain the New Founding Fathers]]' actual goals of [[CorruptCorporateExecutive enriching themselves]] and letting [[RightWingMilitiaFanatic their loyal paramilitaries]] legally murder their foes.

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** The franchise often gets flak from viewers who take its central premise, an annual holiday in which all crime is legal for twelve hours, at face value, pointing out all the logical flaws with it. The thing is, these exact criticisms form part of the text of the films themselves. In-universe, the Purge was developed as a thinly-veiled attempt at [[KillThePoor population control]] and the [[OppressiveStatesOfAmerica authoritarian suppression of minorities and dissidents]], which grows increasingly clear with each subsequent installment. All that stuff about "releasing the beast" and letting people run wild for one night to reduce crime during the rest of the year is meant to be understood as a propaganda fig leaf figleaf for [[GreaterScopeVillain the New Founding Fathers]]' actual goals of [[CorruptCorporateExecutive enriching themselves]] and letting [[RightWingMilitiaFanatic their loyal paramilitaries]] legally murder their foes.
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** The franchise often gets flak from viewers who take its central premise, an annual holiday in which all crime is legal for twelve hours, at face value, pointing out all the logical flaws with it. The thing is, these exact criticisms form part of the text of the films themselves. In-universe, the Purge was created as a thinly-veiled attempt at [[KillThePoor population control]] and [[OppressiveStatesOfAmerica authoritarian suppression of minorities and dissidents]], which grows increasingly clear with each subsequent installment. All the stuff about "releasing the beast" and letting people run wild for one night to reduce crime during the rest of the year is portrayed as a propaganda figleaf for [[GreaterScopeVillain the New Founding Fathers]]' actual goals of [[CorruptCorporateExecutive enriching themselves]] and letting [[RightWingMilitiaFanatic their loyal paramilitaries]] legally murder their foes.
** In the other direction, there are also fans who wish that the Purge was real, and lots of jokes that revolve around people talking about who they'd kill or what they'd otherwise do during the Purge (especially [[ArsonMurderAndJaywalking minor misdemeanors]]).

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** The franchise often gets flak from viewers who take its central premise, an annual holiday in which all crime is legal for twelve hours, at face value, pointing out all the logical flaws with it. The thing is, these exact criticisms form part of the text of the films themselves. In-universe, the Purge was created developed as a thinly-veiled attempt at [[KillThePoor population control]] and the [[OppressiveStatesOfAmerica authoritarian suppression of minorities and dissidents]], which grows increasingly clear with each subsequent installment. All the that stuff about "releasing the beast" and letting people run wild for one night to reduce crime during the rest of the year is portrayed meant to be understood as a propaganda figleaf fig leaf for [[GreaterScopeVillain the New Founding Fathers]]' actual goals of [[CorruptCorporateExecutive enriching themselves]] and letting [[RightWingMilitiaFanatic their loyal paramilitaries]] legally murder their foes.
** In the other direction, there are also fans of the series who express a wish that the Purge was real, and lots of jokes that revolve around people talking about who they'd kill or what they'd otherwise do during the Purge (especially [[ArsonMurderAndJaywalking minor misdemeanors]]).
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** The franchise often gets flak from viewers who take its central premise, an annual holiday in which all crime is legal for twelve hours, at face value, pointing out all the logical flaws with it. The thing is, these exact criticisms form part of the text of the films themselves. The Purge was created as a thinly-veiled attempt at [[KillThePoor population control]] and [[OppressiveStatesOfAmerica authoritarian suppression of minorities and dissidents]], which grows increasingly clear with each subsequent installment. All the stuff about "releasing the beast" and letting people run wild for one night to reduce crime during the rest of the year is portrayed as a propaganda figleaf for [[GreaterScopeVillain the New Founding Fathers]]' actual goals of [[CorruptCorporateExecutive enriching themselves]] and letting [[RightWingMilitiaFanatic their loyal paramilitaries]] legally murder their foes.

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** The franchise often gets flak from viewers who take its central premise, an annual holiday in which all crime is legal for twelve hours, at face value, pointing out all the logical flaws with it. The thing is, these exact criticisms form part of the text of the films themselves. The In-universe, the Purge was created as a thinly-veiled attempt at [[KillThePoor population control]] and [[OppressiveStatesOfAmerica authoritarian suppression of minorities and dissidents]], which grows increasingly clear with each subsequent installment. All the stuff about "releasing the beast" and letting people run wild for one night to reduce crime during the rest of the year is portrayed as a propaganda figleaf for [[GreaterScopeVillain the New Founding Fathers]]' actual goals of [[CorruptCorporateExecutive enriching themselves]] and letting [[RightWingMilitiaFanatic their loyal paramilitaries]] legally murder their foes.
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*** Of course, if their conclusion is that the world ''is'' a crapsack mess for various reasons (some certainly reach that conclusion), the phrasing makes more sense.
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***Additionally, some fans, including on this site blame the Jedi Order for the use of slave soldiers (the clones) and child soldiers (14 year old Jedi Padawans, and 10 year old Clone Troopers). All the while ignoring that the Jedi themselves are opposed to the war and are themselves conscripted and that the Clones are not child soldiers due to their enhanced growth.
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* ''Film/AmericanHistoryX'' has a large number of Neo-Nazi fans despite its anti-racism message, due to the fact that Derek is strong, charismatic, and a natural leader. The film also gives him a huge platform to express his views, and rather than try to refute them, it just assumes people will disagree because he’s a blatant racist and uses a lot of hate speech. It doesn't help that he's photographed like a badass athlete in a basketball commercial. The effect is a case of DoNotDoThisCoolThing.
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* ''Film/GlengarryGlenRoss'', like the play it was based on, is a satire of the sales world and the dishonest lengths to which successful salesman will go. Blake's profanity-ridden "motivational" speech intended as the culmination of ruthless capitalism. Even worse, it's clear Blake doesn't believe what he's saying; he speaks to the office manager "out of character" immediately before starting. Also, he disparages the rest of the salesmen in the office, lets them know they'll be fired if they don't sell enough, and refuses to listen to the rather reasonable excuse that the leads the salesmen get are bad ones. However, many real-life sales managers now use this speech out of context as an ''actual'' motivator for salespeople. Worse yet, some managers show it ''in context'', sometimes to take a stance against ruthless capitalism, and sometimes to let their employees know that they want nothing less. Regardless of why it's shown, people who use the scene as a motivational tool conveniently ignore that Blake's speech doesn't work; all it does is lead to the salesman making terrible decisions that make everything worse, to the point that [[spoiler:one of the salesmen outright robs the office because he's so desperate to save his job that it's the only way he can reasonably meet the sales goals that he's being asked to meet]]. It also ignores the real issue, which is that the leads the salesmen were given genuinely are terrible, and they're unable to get ahead with them. Telling them "sell harder" and threatening their jobs doesn't inspire them to do better, it just makes them resort to desperate measures and makes things worse for everyone.

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* ''Film/GlengarryGlenRoss'', like the play it was based on, is a satire of the sales world and the dishonest lengths to which successful salesman will go. Blake's profanity-ridden "motivational" speech intended as the culmination of ruthless capitalism. Even worse, it's clear Blake doesn't believe what he's saying; he speaks to the office manager "out of character" immediately before starting. Also, he disparages the rest of the salesmen in the office, lets them know they'll be fired if they don't sell enough, and refuses to listen to the rather reasonable excuse that the leads the salesmen get are bad ones. However, many real-life sales managers now use this speech out of context as an ''actual'' motivator for salespeople. Worse yet, some managers show it ''in context'', sometimes to take a stance against ruthless capitalism, and sometimes to let their employees know that they want nothing less. Regardless of why it's shown, people who use the scene as a motivational tool conveniently ignore that Blake's speech doesn't work; all it does is lead to the salesman making terrible decisions that make everything worse, to the point that [[spoiler:one of the salesmen outright robs the office for the best leads available. This is because he's so desperate to save his job that it's the only way he can reasonably meet the sales goals that he's being asked to meet]].meet by upper management]]. It also ignores the real issue, which is that the leads the salesmen were given genuinely are terrible, and they're unable to get ahead with them. Telling them "sell harder" and threatening their jobs doesn't inspire them to do better, it just makes them resort to desperate measures and makes things worse for everyone.
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* ''Film/GlengarryGlenRoss'' like the play it was based on, is a satire of the sales world and the dishonest lengths to which successful salesman will go. Alec Baldwin's profanity-ridden "motivational" speech intended as the culmination of ruthless capitalism. Even worse, it's clear Baldwin's character doesn't believe what he's saying; he speaks to the office manager "out of character" immediately before starting. Also, he disparages the rest of the salesmen in the office, lets them know they'll be fired if they don't sell enough, and refuses to listen to the rather reasonable excuse that the leads the salesmen get are bad ones. However, many real-life sales managers now use this speech out of context as an ''actual'' motivator for salespeople. Worse yet, some managers show it ''in context'', sometimes to take a stance against ruthless capitalism, and sometimes to let their employees know that they want nothing less.

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* ''Film/GlengarryGlenRoss'' ''Film/GlengarryGlenRoss'', like the play it was based on, is a satire of the sales world and the dishonest lengths to which successful salesman will go. Alec Baldwin's Blake's profanity-ridden "motivational" speech intended as the culmination of ruthless capitalism. Even worse, it's clear Baldwin's character Blake doesn't believe what he's saying; he speaks to the office manager "out of character" immediately before starting. Also, he disparages the rest of the salesmen in the office, lets them know they'll be fired if they don't sell enough, and refuses to listen to the rather reasonable excuse that the leads the salesmen get are bad ones. However, many real-life sales managers now use this speech out of context as an ''actual'' motivator for salespeople. Worse yet, some managers show it ''in context'', sometimes to take a stance against ruthless capitalism, and sometimes to let their employees know that they want nothing less. Regardless of why it's shown, people who use the scene as a motivational tool conveniently ignore that Blake's speech doesn't work; all it does is lead to the salesman making terrible decisions that make everything worse, to the point that [[spoiler:one of the salesmen outright robs the office because he's so desperate to save his job that it's the only way he can reasonably meet the sales goals that he's being asked to meet]]. It also ignores the real issue, which is that the leads the salesmen were given genuinely are terrible, and they're unable to get ahead with them. Telling them "sell harder" and threatening their jobs doesn't inspire them to do better, it just makes them resort to desperate measures and makes things worse for everyone.
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* Justin Simien's ''Film/DearWhitePeople'' managed to acquire a rather massive Website/{{Tumblr}} fandom composed almost entirely of people (of ''all'' races) who praised the film because they thought that it was the perfect movie for educating ignorant white people about the true nature of racism. This despite the fact that Simien has repeatedly stated that he never intended his film to be any kind of accusatory statement about racism, but rather, an in-depth look at the complex nature of '''racial identity''', and how it conflicts with individual identity. Most glaringly, the character Sam--a perpetually angry radio host with an EverythingIsRacist bent--acquired an unironic following from Tumblr users who apparently missed that she was part of the satire.
* Nate, Andrea's boyfriend in ''Film/TheDevilWearsPrada'', has gotten a lot of hate online for apparently being unsupportive of her and basically her WetBlanketWife. But the screenwriter, Aline Brosh McKenna, [[https://ew.com/movies/2017/09/28/the-devil-wears-prada-nate-aline-brosh-mckenna/ says they're missing the point]]:

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* Justin Simien's ''Film/DearWhitePeople'' managed to acquire a rather massive Website/{{Tumblr}} fandom composed almost entirely of people (of ''all'' races) who praised the film because they thought that it was the perfect movie for educating ignorant white people about the true nature of racism. This despite the fact that Simien has repeatedly stated that he never intended his film to be any kind of accusatory statement about racism, but rather, an in-depth look at the complex nature of '''racial identity''', and how it conflicts with individual identity. Most glaringly, the character Sam--a Sam -- a perpetually angry radio host with an EverythingIsRacist bent--acquired bent -- acquired an unironic following from Tumblr users who apparently missed that she was part of the satire.
* Nate, Andrea's boyfriend in ''Film/TheDevilWearsPrada'', has gotten a lot of hate online for apparently being unsupportive of her and basically her WetBlanketWife. But However, the screenwriter, Aline Brosh McKenna, [=McKenna=], [[https://ew.com/movies/2017/09/28/the-devil-wears-prada-nate-aline-brosh-mckenna/ says they're missing the point]]:



* ''Film/{{Downfall}}'' is praised by neo-Nazi groups as a heartfelt tribute to the Fuhrer. Some Germans also regard it as a memoriam to the soldiers who defended Berlin in the final days of the war. The actual themes are that 1) Hitler was an egotistical maniac hiding under a friendly exterior, who manipulated people into fighting a war they shouldn't have and blamed everyone but himself when things went wrong, and 2) that Germany should have surrendered earlier to reduce casualties.

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* ''Film/{{Downfall}}'' ''Film/Downfall2004'' is praised by neo-Nazi groups as a heartfelt tribute to the Fuhrer.Führer. Some Germans also regard it as a memoriam to the soldiers who defended Berlin in the final days of the war. The actual themes are that 1) Hitler was an egotistical maniac hiding under a friendly exterior, exterior who manipulated people into fighting a war they shouldn't have and blamed everyone but himself when things went wrong, and 2) that Germany should have surrendered earlier to reduce casualties.
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* ''Film/FirstBlood'' portrays Rambo as, while clearly sympathetic and a badass, a deeply screwed-up, mentally ill, [[ThePigPen smelly]] man who performs his violent actions out of justifiable but irrational panic. His {{Arc}} in the movie is to accept that the war is over, and to come to terms with his own emotions in the process. While his strength as a soldier is exceptional, he's far from superhuman, and is merely a well-trained fighter reliant on luck as much as anything. More broadly, the film condemns the hypocrisy of the American establishment in sending a generation of young men to fight and die in an act of political theatre, then refusing to own up to their own failure and incompetence. What then follows is [[Franchise/{{Rambo}} several movies]] intended as {{Fanservice}} for an audience who saw Rambo as an aspirational figure, and wanted to see him, in his element, murdering hundreds of Communists for America. [[CriticalDissonance These movies were significantly more commercially successful]] than ''First Blood'', while John Rambo as a pop-culture icon is virtually synonymous with hung-ho OneManArmy.

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* ''Film/FirstBlood'' portrays Rambo as, while clearly sympathetic and a badass, a deeply screwed-up, mentally ill, [[ThePigPen smelly]] man who performs his violent actions out of justifiable but irrational panic. His {{Arc}} in the movie is to accept that the war is over, and to come to terms with his own emotions in the process. While his strength as a soldier is exceptional, he's far from superhuman, and is merely a well-trained fighter reliant on luck as much as anything.anything and most of his "victories" are against small-town police and the National Guard -- both are too poorly trained, inexperienced, and ill-equipped to capture someone with that level of experience and training (the National Guard are disparagingly called the "weekend warriors" ''for a reason'' in this film). More broadly, the film condemns the hypocrisy of the American establishment in sending a generation of young men to fight and die in an act of political theatre, then refusing to own up to their own failure and incompetence. What then follows is [[Franchise/{{Rambo}} several movies]] intended as {{Fanservice}} for an audience who saw Rambo as an aspirational figure, and wanted to see him, in his element, murdering hundreds of Communists for America. [[CriticalDissonance These movies were significantly more commercially successful]] than ''First Blood'', while John Rambo as a pop-culture icon is virtually synonymous with hung-ho OneManArmy.
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* Barry Humphries' fish-out-of-water comedy ''Film/TheAdventuresOfBarryMcKenzie'' was supposed to be a satire based on everything he detested about unrefined stereotypical Australian "ockers." In the end, according to director and co-writer Bruce Beresford, "the people he most loathed most loved the film" and were arguably the ones most responsible for getting the sequel made.

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* Barry Humphries' Creator/BarryHumphries' fish-out-of-water comedy ''Film/TheAdventuresOfBarryMcKenzie'' was supposed to be a satire based on everything he detested about unrefined stereotypical Australian "ockers." In the end, according to director and co-writer Bruce Beresford, "the people he most loathed most loved the film" and were arguably the ones most responsible for getting the sequel made.
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* The ''Film/{{Saw}}'' franchise has a disturbing number of fans who believe Jigsaw's methods of torturing people into appreciating life is actually ''beneficial''. This is despite him being a manipulative, [[EvilIsPetty vindictive]] sadist who's crippled countless people and killed far more, [[{{Hypocrite}} many of whom were innocent even by his standards,]] and has even endangered [[WouldHurtAChild children.]] Quite a few characters actually [[ShutUpHannibal call him out on this]] throughout the series, including his own henchmen. Granted, these moments tend to be fleeting compared to how often the films' portray him as fundamentally [[MagnificentBastard wise, charismatic and sympathetic,]] emphasize his philosophy as something important, or focus on his victim's failings. According to [[https://www.reddit.com/r/horror/comments/nbii85/saw_veteran_kevin_greutert_explains_why_jigsaw/ one of the later films directors, it's not just the fans who sometimes think this way, either. ]]

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* The ''Film/{{Saw}}'' ''Franchise/{{Saw}}'' franchise has a disturbing number of fans who believe Jigsaw's methods of torturing people into appreciating life is actually ''beneficial''. This is despite him being a manipulative, [[EvilIsPetty vindictive]] sadist who's crippled countless people and killed far more, [[{{Hypocrite}} many of whom were innocent even by his standards,]] and has even endangered [[WouldHurtAChild children.]] Quite a few characters actually [[ShutUpHannibal call him out on this]] throughout the series, including his own henchmen. Granted, these moments tend to be fleeting compared to how often the films' portray him as fundamentally [[MagnificentBastard wise, charismatic and sympathetic,]] emphasize his philosophy as something important, or focus on his victim's failings. According to [[https://www.reddit.com/r/horror/comments/nbii85/saw_veteran_kevin_greutert_explains_why_jigsaw/ one of the later films directors, it's not just the fans who sometimes think this way, either. ]]
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* ''Film/GameOfDeath'': A peculiar example. Creator/BruceLee's yellow-and-black tracksuit in the film was intended as an "everyman" costume that would make his character unpretentious and prevent him from being seen as representing any specific martial arts tradition. Ever since, however, it has been used as a StockShoutOut guaranteeing that any character seen wearing anything similar will be a supreme martial arts master.
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* The Japanese live action/anime hybrid film ''Anime/TwilightOfTheCockroaches'' was quite popular with various minorities, especially Jews who identified with the cockroaches' struggle to survive the humans' callous attempts to exterminate them. One can only imagine what their reaction would be on learning that, [[WordOfGod according to the director]], the whole thing is an allegory for the fall of ''the Axis Powers''.
** Likely to respond by invoking the DeathOfTheAuthor.
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* If ''Film/{{Scarface 1983}}'' isn't the epitome of a film doomed for misaimed fandom, nothing is. Creator/BrianDePalma intended for this movie to be a dark, unrelenting look at the [[RiseAndFallGangsterArc downfall of a gangster who quickly climbed to the top of the drug trade]], only to become addicted to coke and alienate those around him. Instead, rappers sample Tony Montana's quotes, admire him for being all gangster, and have a bunch of their fans and misled teens suddenly become fans or the film without seeing what the point of the film was. [[CreatorBacklash Brian De Palma isn't happy about this ''at all''.]]

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* If ''Film/{{Scarface 1983}}'' isn't the epitome of a film doomed for misaimed fandom, nothing is. Creator/BrianDePalma intended for this movie to be a dark, unrelenting look at the [[RiseAndFallGangsterArc downfall of a gangster who quickly climbed to the top of the drug trade]], only to become addicted to coke and alienate those around him. Instead, rappers sample Tony Montana's quotes, admire him for being all gangster, and have a bunch of their fans and misled teens suddenly become fans or the film without seeing what the point of the film was. [[CreatorBacklash Brian De Palma isn't happy about this ''at all''.at all.]]
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* ''Film/Terminator2JudgmentDay'': Creator/LindaHamilton and Creator/JamesCameron have both said on an audio commentary that [[ActionMom Sarah Connor]] after she TookALevelInBadass was supposed to be a cruel, violent, emotionally unstable person, not an ideal feminist. John himself could arguably be considered a deconstruction of TheChosenOne and/or KidHero: it shows what happens when your mother [[MamaBear has been so determined to protect you]] that she drags you around the country committing acts of terrorism and teaching you paramilitary skills instead of anything close to a normal childhood. Maybe the Aesop was broken because, you know, she ''does'' raise the man who manages to defeat the machines, so she can't be all wrong... right?

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* ''Film/Terminator2JudgmentDay'': Creator/LindaHamilton and Creator/JamesCameron have both said on an audio commentary that [[ActionMom Sarah Connor]] after she TookALevelInBadass was supposed to be a cruel, violent, emotionally unstable person, not an ideal feminist. John himself could arguably be considered a deconstruction of TheChosenOne and/or KidHero: it shows what happens [[KnightTemplarParent when your mother [[MamaBear has been so determined to protect you]] that she drags you around the country committing acts of terrorism and teaching you paramilitary skills instead of anything close to a normal childhood.childhood. Part of Sarah's arc is seeing that [[ParentalSubstitute the "soulless" T-800 was a better parent for John than she was]]. Maybe the Aesop was broken because, you know, she ''does'' raise the man who manages to defeat the machines, so she can't be all wrong... right?
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*** In contrast ComicBook/StarWarsTheHighRepublic is giving what fans have been craving for: a proper deep dive into the Jedi and Jedi Order. As a result you get a much more in-depth explaination of teachings that were previously brushed over due to narrative constraints or disinterest. It helps that the writers involved have a pretty good understanding of the vision GeorgeLucas had of Jedi culture and philsophy in a way a lot of other previous writers hadn't.

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*** In contrast ComicBook/StarWarsTheHighRepublic is giving what fans have been craving for: a proper deep dive into the Jedi and Jedi Order. As a result you get a much more in-depth explaination of teachings that were previously brushed over due to narrative constraints or disinterest. It helps that the writers involved have a pretty good understanding of the vision GeorgeLucas Creator/GeorgeLucas had of Jedi culture and philsophy in a way a lot of other previous writers hadn't.



* ''Film/{{A Streetcar Named Desire}}'' has, of course, Stanley Kowalski. Marlon Brando, whose intense portrayal made the character into a sex symbol, himself hated how women melted for Stanley. An ardent feminist, Brando's reaction could be summed up as "Are you kidding me?! You seriously want to have sex with this abusive piece of shit? That's fucked up." It seems to have carried on past Brando's portrayal of the character and goes hand-in-hand with modern viewers seeing Blanche less sympathetically. There was even a case during a modern revival where the audience ''cheered'' as Stanley raped Blanche.

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* ''Film/{{A Streetcar Named Desire}}'' ''Film/AStreetcarNamedDesire'' has, of course, Stanley Kowalski. Marlon Brando, whose intense portrayal made the character into a sex symbol, himself hated how women melted for Stanley. An ardent feminist, Brando's reaction could be summed up as "Are you kidding me?! You seriously want to have sex with this abusive piece of shit? That's fucked up." It seems to have carried on past Brando's portrayal of the character and goes hand-in-hand with modern viewers seeing Blanche less sympathetically. There was even a case during a modern revival where the audience ''cheered'' as Stanley raped Blanche.
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** A good chunk of the fandom have mistaken the Jedi practicing mindfulness and emphasis on emotional discipline as repressing and supressing emotions. Despite numerous examples of Jedi characters being told to trust their feelings and the emotional expression we see both on and off-screen. Part of the problem is you could remove the Jedi Order entirely from the Prequels and have the only Jedi characters be Anakin Skywalker, Obi-Wan Kenobi, Qui-Gon Jinn, and Yoda and the plot would be the exact same. We simply don't get a lot of exploration of Jedi culture and teachings not even in TheCloneWars because that wasn't the story Prequel media was telling. Fans went in expecting the Prequels to be heavily focused on the Jedi and Jedi Order when both were easily removable window dressing. Even officially liscenced creators have fallen into this.
*** In contrast StarWarsTheHighRepublic is giving what fans have been craving for: a proper deep dive into the Jedi and Jedi Order. As a result you get a much more in-depth explaination of teachings that were previously brushed over due to narrative constraints or disinterest. It helps that the writers involved have a pretty good understanding of the vision GeorgeLucas had of Jedi culture and philsophy in a way a lot of other previous writers hadn't.

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** A good chunk of the fandom have mistaken the Jedi practicing mindfulness and emphasis on emotional discipline as repressing and supressing emotions. Despite numerous examples of Jedi characters being told to trust their feelings and the emotional expression we see both on and off-screen. Part of the problem is you could remove the Jedi Order entirely from the Prequels and have the only Jedi characters be Anakin Skywalker, Obi-Wan Kenobi, Qui-Gon Jinn, and Yoda and the plot would be the exact same. We simply don't get a lot of exploration of Jedi culture and teachings not even in TheCloneWars WesternAnimation/StarWarsTheCloneWars because that wasn't the story Prequel media was telling. Fans went in expecting the Prequels to be heavily focused on the Jedi and Jedi Order when both were easily removable window dressing. Even officially liscenced creators have fallen into this.
*** In contrast StarWarsTheHighRepublic ComicBook/StarWarsTheHighRepublic is giving what fans have been craving for: a proper deep dive into the Jedi and Jedi Order. As a result you get a much more in-depth explaination of teachings that were previously brushed over due to narrative constraints or disinterest. It helps that the writers involved have a pretty good understanding of the vision GeorgeLucas had of Jedi culture and philsophy in a way a lot of other previous writers hadn't.
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** Also, "[[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DIlG9aSMCpg derka derka Muhammad Allah jihad]]" is used by some people to disparage Arabs and Muslims, when it's supposed to be a satire of the ridiculous image many Americans have of Arabs. Plenty of these racists know this, but think it's funny anyway, and [[JustJokingJustification then use "it's just satire" to make themselves feel self-aware.]]

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** Also, "[[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DIlG9aSMCpg derka derka Muhammad Allah jihad]]" is used by some people to disparage Arabs and Muslims, when it's supposed to be a satire of the ridiculous image many Americans have of Arabs. Plenty of these racists know this, but think it's funny anyway, and [[JustJokingJustification then use "it's just satire" to make themselves feel self-aware.]]]] It may be meant to mock racism, but "those foreigners talk funny" is about as classic a racist joke as you'll ever find.
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* ''Film/{{Juno}}'' got some appreciation from anti-abortion groups, because Juno considers an abortion and opts out. The filmmakers did not share that position on the issue and were surprised to hear this praise. (It's particularly strange since one of the scenes, where one of Juno's ditzy classmates is protesting outside an abortion clinic saying nonsensical things like that fetuses have fingernails, seems to be mocking anti-abortion protesters.) After all, Juno doesn't change her mind for moral reasons; she just finds the clinic almost inexplicably intimidating. And certainly the film doesn't seem to be arguing against the legality of abortion, or even availability to teens without parental consent.

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* ''Film/{{Juno}}'' got some appreciation from anti-abortion groups, because Juno considers an abortion and opts out. The filmmakers did not share that position on the issue and were surprised to hear this praise. (It's particularly strange since one of the scenes, where one of Juno's ditzy classmates is protesting outside an abortion clinic saying nonsensical things like that fetuses have fingernails, seems to be mocking anti-abortion protesters.) After all, Juno doesn't change her mind for moral reasons; she just finds the clinic almost inexplicably intimidating. And certainly the film doesn't seem to be arguing against the legality of abortion, or even availability to teens without parental consent. The whole point of the abortion-rights position is that the decision whether to keep a baby should be left up to a woman, not that she should always decide to get an abortion.
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** A good chunk of the fandom have mistaken the Jedi practicing mindfulness and emphasis on emotional discipline as repressing and supressing emotions. Despite numerous examples of Jedi characters being told to trust their feelings and the emotional expression we see both on and off-screen. Part of the problem is you could remove the Jedi Order entirely from the Prequels and have the only Jedi characters be Anakin Skywalker, Obi-Wan Kenobi, Qui-Gon Jinn, and Yoda and the plot would be the exact same. We simply don't get a lot of exploration of Jedi culture and teachings not even in TheCloneWars because that wasn't the story Prequel media was telling. Fans went in expecting the Prequels to be heavily focused on the Jedi and Jedi Order when both were easily removable window dressing. Even officially liscenced DaveFiloniCreators have fallen into this.

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** A good chunk of the fandom have mistaken the Jedi practicing mindfulness and emphasis on emotional discipline as repressing and supressing emotions. Despite numerous examples of Jedi characters being told to trust their feelings and the emotional expression we see both on and off-screen. Part of the problem is you could remove the Jedi Order entirely from the Prequels and have the only Jedi characters be Anakin Skywalker, Obi-Wan Kenobi, Qui-Gon Jinn, and Yoda and the plot would be the exact same. We simply don't get a lot of exploration of Jedi culture and teachings not even in TheCloneWars because that wasn't the story Prequel media was telling. Fans went in expecting the Prequels to be heavily focused on the Jedi and Jedi Order when both were easily removable window dressing. Even officially liscenced DaveFiloniCreators creators have fallen into this.
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** A good chunk of the fandom have mistaken the Jedi practicing mindfulness and emphasis on emotional discipline as repressing and supressing emotions. Despite numerous examples of Jedi characters being told to trust their feelings and the emotional expression we see both on and off-screen. Part of the problem is you could remove the Jedi Order entirely from the Prequels and have the only Jedi characters be Anakin Skywalker, Obi-Wan Kenobi, Qui-Gon Jinn, and Yoda and the plot would be the exact same. We simply don't get a lot of exploration of Jedi culture and teachings not even in [[TheCloneWars]] because that wasn't the story Prequel media was telling. Fans went in expecting the Prequels to be heavily focused on the Jedi and Jedi Order when both were easily removable window dressing. Even officially liscenced [[DaveFiloni Creators]]have fallen into this.
*** In contrast [[StarWars:TheHighRepublic]] is giving what fans have been craving for: a proper deep dive into the Jedi and Jedi Order. As a result you get a much more in-depth explaination of teachings that were previously brushed over due to narrative constraints. It helps that the writers involved have a pretty good understanding of [GeorgeLucas's]] vision of Jedi culture and philsophy in a way a lot of other previous writers hadn't.

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** A good chunk of the fandom have mistaken the Jedi practicing mindfulness and emphasis on emotional discipline as repressing and supressing emotions. Despite numerous examples of Jedi characters being told to trust their feelings and the emotional expression we see both on and off-screen. Part of the problem is you could remove the Jedi Order entirely from the Prequels and have the only Jedi characters be Anakin Skywalker, Obi-Wan Kenobi, Qui-Gon Jinn, and Yoda and the plot would be the exact same. We simply don't get a lot of exploration of Jedi culture and teachings not even in [[TheCloneWars]] TheCloneWars because that wasn't the story Prequel media was telling. Fans went in expecting the Prequels to be heavily focused on the Jedi and Jedi Order when both were easily removable window dressing. Even officially liscenced [[DaveFiloni Creators]]have DaveFiloniCreators have fallen into this.
*** In contrast [[StarWars:TheHighRepublic]] StarWarsTheHighRepublic is giving what fans have been craving for: a proper deep dive into the Jedi and Jedi Order. As a result you get a much more in-depth explaination of teachings that were previously brushed over due to narrative constraints. constraints or disinterest. It helps that the writers involved have a pretty good understanding of [GeorgeLucas's]] the vision GeorgeLucas had of Jedi culture and philsophy in a way a lot of other previous writers hadn't.

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