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* ''Seven Little Monsters'': One frequently asserts authority (or at least attempts to) by saying she's the oldest. Someone (usually Four) almost always snarks that she's only the oldest by a few seconds. One's typical response is, "And oh what a difference those few seconds make."
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* ''TheChroniclesOfNarnia'', ''The Horse and His Boy''. King Loon explains that Prince Cor, rather than his twin brother Prince Corin is first in line to succession, because he's the elder by 20 minutes. [[InvertedTrope Inverted]] because Corin is quite happy about this while Cor is not.

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* ''TheChroniclesOfNarnia'', ''The Horse and His Boy''. King Loon explains that Prince Cor, rather than his twin brother Prince Corin is first in line to succession, because he's the elder by 20 minutes. [[InvertedTrope Inverted]] because Corin is quite happy about this while Cor is not.



* ''DragonQuestVIII'': Twins Cash and Carrie try to use this on each other. The problem is, since they were both adopted, neither knows who the older sibling is.

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* ''DragonQuestVIII'': ''VideoGame/DragonQuestVIII'': Twins Cash and Carrie try to use this on each other. The problem is, since they were both adopted, neither knows who the older sibling is.



* Scooter and his sister Skeeter arguing above, over who gets filmed by a camera the kids are playing with in ''MuppetBabies''.

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* Scooter and his sister Skeeter arguing above, over who gets filmed by a camera the kids are playing with in ''MuppetBabies''.



* In ''ThePowerpuffGirls'', Blossom always takes charges and generally acts older than her sisters, Buttercup has typically the behaviour of the somewhat overlooked middle-child, and Bubbles acts like the baby of the three. In spite of the fact that there is no age-gap between them at all.

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* In ''ThePowerpuffGirls'', Blossom always takes charges and generally acts older than her sisters, Buttercup has typically the behaviour of the somewhat overlooked middle-child, and Bubbles acts like the baby of the three. In spite of the fact that there is no age-gap between them at all.
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* A rather curious example with the Soda Poppers from Telltale's ''SamAndMax'' games. Whizzer is mad at Peepers for forgetting his birthday in one episode...even though the brothers are triplets and should theoretically have the same birthday (They don't, actually. Whizzer and Specs are 35...Peepers is 3''4''. It was a looooooooooooooong labor).
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*An entire episode of ''PairofKings'' plays with this; Brady claims to be the older twin, prompting Boomer to go to an oracle to find proof.
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* Liza and Tate from the ''{{Pokemon}}'' anime have this dynamic, with Tate suffering a bit of an inferiority complex considering how Liza holds her seniority (and the fact that she continuously pummels him in battles) over him.

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* Liza and Tate from the ''{{Pokemon}}'' ''{{Anime/Pokemon}}'' anime have this dynamic, with Tate suffering a bit of an inferiority complex considering how Liza holds her seniority (and the fact that she continuously pummels him in battles) over him.
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* Liza and Tate from the ''{{Pokemon}}'' anime have this dynamic, with Tate suffering a bit of an inferiority complex considering how Liza holds her seniority (and the fact that she continuously pummels him in battles) over him.


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--> '''Artemis''': I'm fine, Apollo. And I am not your little sister.
--> '''Apollo''': Hey, I was born first.
--> '''Artemis''': We're twins! How many millennia do we have to argue—
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* And in PeterDavid's StarTrekTNG novel "Vendetta", Picard's old Academy classmate Morgan Korsmo tries to give him orders because he got his captain's pips a few weeks before Picard.
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* ''BatmanTheBraveAndTheBold'' "The Malicious Mr. Mind!" Mary Marvel argues that Billy Batson is only older than her in superhero form, otherwise she's older than him by three seconds.

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* ''BatmanTheBraveAndTheBold'' ''WesternAnimation/BatmanTheBraveAndTheBold'' "The Malicious Mr. Mind!" Mary Marvel argues that Billy Batson is only older than her in superhero form, otherwise she's older than him by three seconds.
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* Widget and Sludge in the ''AstroBoy'' film.

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* Widget and Sludge in the ''AstroBoy'' 2009 ''Film/AstroBoy'' film.
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* In '''''ThePowerpuffGirls''''', Blossom always takes charges and generally acts older than her sisters, Buttercup has typically the behaviour of the somewhat overlooked middle-child, and Bubbles acts like the baby of the three. In spite of the fact that there is no age-gap between them at all.

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* In '''''ThePowerpuffGirls''''', ''ThePowerpuffGirls'', Blossom always takes charges and generally acts older than her sisters, Buttercup has typically the behaviour of the somewhat overlooked middle-child, and Bubbles acts like the baby of the three. In spite of the fact that there is no age-gap between them at all.
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* In '''''ThePowerpuffGirls''''', Blossom always takes charges and generally acts older than her sisters, Buttercup has typically the behaviour of the somewhat overlooked middle-child, and Bubbles acts like the baby of the three. In spite of the fact that there is no age-gap between them at all.
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* Dante and Vergil in ''DevilMayCry''. Vergil is the slightly older twin brother, and acts like it (AloofOlderBrother).

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* Dante and Vergil in ''DevilMayCry''. Vergil is the slightly older twin brother, brother... [[AloofBigBrother and acts like it (AloofOlderBrother).it.]]

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* Vash and Knives' screwed-up relationship in {{Trigun}} contains shades of this. Since no one was actually watching when they were born and their mother couldn't talk even if she hadn't apparently suffered DeathByChildbirth, they don't know who's older. They're also theoretically speaking English, even though they're actually speaking Japanese, and since the normal words for brother require knowledge of birth order use the vague and slightly standoffish term 'kyoudai,' or 'sibling' most of the time. Knives appears to have appointed himself older in a lot of their interactions, but when they were kids this role (in the manga) very slightly defaulted to Vash, and he has the responsibility to 'take care of Knives.'
** Their arguments about whether to kill off the human race etc. all boil down partly to a debate about which twin has more authority over the other. Being psychotic and incapable of self-doubt has given Knives [[KnightTemplarBigBrother the more forceful personality]], but Vash is at bottom tougher. It never actually is settled; [[spoiler: even after Vash wins the clash of philosophies and Knives accepts his loss, he takes up a 'watching over you' role while he waits to die that [[BigBrotherInstinct suits an elder brother better]].

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* Vash and Knives' screwed-up relationship in {{Trigun}} contains shades of this. Since no one was actually watching when they were born and their mother couldn't talk even if she hadn't apparently suffered DeathByChildbirth, they don't know who's older. They're also theoretically speaking English, even though they're actually speaking Japanese, and since the normal Japanese words for brother require knowledge of birth order they use the vague and slightly standoffish term 'kyoudai,' or 'sibling' most of the time. Knives appears to have appointed himself older in a lot of their interactions, but when they were kids this role (in the manga) very slightly defaulted to Vash, and he has the responsibility to 'take care of Knives.'
** Their arguments about whether to kill off the human race etc. all boil down partly to a debate about which twin has more authority over the other. Being psychotic and incapable of self-doubt has given Knives [[KnightTemplarBigBrother the more forceful personality]], but Vash is at bottom tougher. It never actually is settled; [[spoiler: even after Vash wins the clash of philosophies and Knives accepts his loss, he takes up a 'watching over you' role while he waits to die that [[BigBrotherInstinct suits an elder brother better]].]]
** Anime Knives is pretty definitely finagling the elder role from the start, though, although they do still use 'kyoudai.' Vash even seems to have accepted his authority for a couple of years after the Fall, before flipping out that Knives is still on his KillAllHumans kick, shooting him in the leg, and running like hell. This has led to a split understanding in the fanbase.
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* Vash and Knives' screwed-up relationship in {{Trigun}} contains shades of this. Since no one was actually watching when they were born and their mother couldn't talk even if she hadn't apparently suffered DeathByChildbirth, they don't know who's older. They're also theoretically speaking English, even though they're actually speaking Japanese, and since the normal words for brother require knowledge of birth order use the vague and slightly standoffish term 'kyoudai,' or 'sibling' most of the time. Knives appears to have appointed himself older in a lot of their interactions, but when they were kids this role (in the manga) very slightly defaulted to Vash, and he has the responsibility to 'take care of Knives.'
** Their arguments about whether to kill off the human race etc. all boil down partly to a debate about which twin has more authority over the other. Being psychotic and incapable of self-doubt has given Knives [[KnightTemplarBigBrother the more forceful personality]], but Vash is at bottom tougher. It never actually is settled; [[spoiler: even after Vash wins the clash of philosophies and Knives accepts his loss, he takes up a 'watching over you' role while he waits to die that [[BigBrotherInstinct suits an elder brother better]].
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* ''BatmanTheBraveAndTheBold'' "The Malicious Mr. Mind!" Mary Marvel argues that Billy Batson is only older than her in superhero form, otherwise she's older than him by three seconds.
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* In ''MagicalGirlLyricalNanoha'', the Numbers cyborgs type numbers do not represent their actual birth order; Sette (Type VII), is the youngest of them, while Dieci (Type X) is older than several others. As a result, Quattro (Type IV) is annoyed that Cinque (Type V) being technically older due to being born first, and refers to her as she would a younger sibling. In Sound Stage X and ViVid, [[spoiler:Nove]] is somewhat unwilling to accept that she's [[spoiler:Subaru's]] ''younger'' sister after her adoption.

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* In ''MagicalGirlLyricalNanoha'', the Numbers cyborgs type numbers do not represent their actual birth order; Sette (Type VII), is the youngest of them, while Dieci (Type X) is older than several others. As a result, Quattro (Type IV) is annoyed that Cinque (Type V) being technically older due to being born first, and refers to her as she would a younger sibling. In Sound Stage X ''SoundStageX'' and ViVid, ''Manga/ViVid'', [[spoiler:Nove]] is somewhat unwilling to accept that she's [[spoiler:Subaru's]] ''younger'' sister after her adoption.
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* ''TheChroniclesOfNarnia'', ''The Horse and His Boy''. King Loon explains that Prince Cor, rather than his twin brother Prince Corin is first in line to succession, because he's the elder by 20 minutes.

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* ''TheChroniclesOfNarnia'', ''The Horse and His Boy''. King Loon explains that Prince Cor, rather than his twin brother Prince Corin is first in line to succession, because he's the elder by 20 minutes. [[InvertedTrope Inverted]] because Corin is quite happy about this while Cor is not.

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* In MagicalGirlLyricalNanoha, the Numbers cyborgs type numbers do not represent their actual birth order; Sette (Type VII), is the youngest of them, while Dieci (Type X) is older than several others. As a result, Quattro (Type IV) is annoyed that Cinque (Type V) being technically older due to being born first, and refers to her as she would a younger sibling. In Sound Stage X and ViVid, [[spoiler:Nove]] is somewhat unwilling to accept that she's [[spoiler:Subaru's]] ''younger'' sister after her adoption.

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* In MagicalGirlLyricalNanoha, ''MagicalGirlLyricalNanoha'', the Numbers cyborgs type numbers do not represent their actual birth order; Sette (Type VII), is the youngest of them, while Dieci (Type X) is older than several others. As a result, Quattro (Type IV) is annoyed that Cinque (Type V) being technically older due to being born first, and refers to her as she would a younger sibling. In Sound Stage X and ViVid, [[spoiler:Nove]] is somewhat unwilling to accept that she's [[spoiler:Subaru's]] ''younger'' sister after her adoption.



* In ''NoMoreHeroes'', we find out that [[spoiler:Travis and Henry]], however, it is not discussed until the sequel (in an overly long answering machine message) that [[spoiler:Henry]] is supposedly the older twin, something [[spoiler:Travis]] is quick to make a snarky remark on:

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* In ''NoMoreHeroes'', we find out that [[spoiler:Travis and Henry]], Henry are twin brothers]]; however, it is not discussed until the sequel (in an overly long answering machine message) that [[spoiler:Henry]] is supposedly the older twin, something [[spoiler:Travis]] is quick to make a snarky remark on:



* A rather curious example with the Soda Poppers from Telltale's SamAndMax games. Whizzer is mad at Peepers for forgetting his birthday in one episode...even though the brothers are triplets and should theoretically have the same birthday (They don't, actually. Whizzer and Specs are 35...Peepers is 3''4''. It was a looooooooooooooong labor).

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* A rather curious example with the Soda Poppers from Telltale's SamAndMax ''SamAndMax'' games. Whizzer is mad at Peepers for forgetting his birthday in one episode...even though the brothers are triplets and should theoretically have the same birthday (They don't, actually. Whizzer and Specs are 35...Peepers is 3''4''. It was a looooooooooooooong labor).



* Hank Venture mentioned that he and Dean were about 4 minutes apart in ''VentureBrothers''.
** Of course, how true this is is debatable, since they're clones and may well have been activated at exactly the same time.

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* Hank Venture mentioned that he and Dean were about 4 minutes apart in ''VentureBrothers''.
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''VentureBrothers''. Of course, how true this is is debatable, since they're clones and may well have been activated at exactly the same time.



* ''DragonTales'' took this to the extreme, with one head of a two-headed dragon popping out of the egg seconds before the other.
** It was minutes. Wheezie is five minutes older than Zak.

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* ''DragonTales'' took this to the extreme, with one head of a two-headed dragon popping out of the egg seconds before the other.
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five minutes older than Zak.before the other.
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* Variant: the French musical ''Les Demoiselles de Rochefort'' has the younger twin calling the other "old girl", leading the other to reply:
-->'''Solange:''' Just because I was born fifteen minutes earlier doesn't mean you can call me "old girl"!
* The seniority of rank example also occurs in the 1964 film ''Zulu'', between Lieutenant Chard and Lieutenant Bromhead. This [[WildMassGuessing might have been]] the origin for the ''[[StarTrekVoyager Voyager]]'' example.
* Variation: A deleted scene from ''BoondockSaints'' includes the main characters trying to get their mother to tell them which of them is older, presumably so they will then be able to use this trope. Eventually she tells them, "The one with the bigger dick!"

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* Variant: the French musical ''Les Demoiselles de Rochefort'' has the younger twin calling the other "old girl", girl," leading the other to reply:
-->'''Solange:''' Just because I was born fifteen minutes earlier doesn't mean you can call me "old girl"!
girl!"
* The seniority of rank example also occurs in the 1964 film ''Zulu'', ''{{Zulu}}'', between Lieutenant Chard and Lieutenant Bromhead. This [[WildMassGuessing might have been]] the origin for the ''[[StarTrekVoyager Voyager]]'' example.
* Variation: A deleted scene from ''BoondockSaints'' ''TheBoondockSaints'' includes the main characters trying to get their mother to tell them which of them is older, presumably so they will then be able to use this trope. Eventually she tells them, "The one with the bigger dick!"cock!"
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* In MagicalGirlLyricalNanoha, the Numbers cyborgs type numbers do not represent their actual birth order; Sette (Type VII), is the youngest of them, while Dieci (Type X) is older than several others. As a result, Quattro (Type IV) is annoyed that Cinque (Type V) being technically older due to being born first, and refers to her as she would a younger sibling. In Sound Stage X and ViVid, [[spoiler:Nove]] is somewhat unwilling to accept that she's [[spoiler:Subaru's]] ''younger'' sister after her adoption.
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* Despite being twins, Unsui of {{Eyeshield 21}} is referred to as the "elder brother" quite often. Of course, it's partially because he acts the part, often taking responsibility for his "younger brother's" actions, despite the fact that they're the same age. Agon could be seen as an extreme (and violent) version of the {{bratty younger sibling}} trope.

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* Despite being twins, Unsui of {{Eyeshield 21}} ''{{Eyeshield 21}}'' is referred to as the "elder brother" quite often. Of course, it's partially because he acts the part, often taking responsibility for his "younger brother's" actions, despite the fact that they're the same age. Agon could be seen as an extreme (and violent) version of the {{bratty {{annoying younger sibling}} trope.
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A [[TwinTropes Twin Trope]] in which the twins will be arguing about something and Twin A will attempt to give their side leverage by saying that he/she is oldest, which will cause Twin B to retort "Yeah, by five minutes" and therefore defuse such an argument.

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A [[TwinTropes Twin Trope]] in which the twins will be arguing Twins often argue, among themselves or with others, about something and the respect they are due because of age, even though the difference is minuscule. In the most common form, Twin A will attempt to give their side leverage by saying that he/she is oldest, which will cause Twin B to retort "Yeah, by five minutes" and therefore defuse such an argument.
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* Despite being twins, Unsui is referred to as the "elder brother" quite often. Of course, it's partially because he acts the part, often taking responsibility for his "younger brother's" actions, despite the fact that they're the same age. Agon could be seen as an extreme (and violent) version of the {{bratty younger sibling}} trope.

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* Despite being twins, Unsui of {{Eyeshield 21}} is referred to as the "elder brother" quite often. Of course, it's partially because he acts the part, often taking responsibility for his "younger brother's" actions, despite the fact that they're the same age. Agon could be seen as an extreme (and violent) version of the {{bratty younger sibling}} trope.
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* Despite being twins, Unsui is constantly referred to as the "elder brother" quite often. Of course, it's partially because he acts the part, often taking responsibility for his "younger brother's" actions, despite the fact that they're the same age.

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* Despite being twins, Unsui is constantly referred to as the "elder brother" quite often. Of course, it's partially because he acts the part, often taking responsibility for his "younger brother's" actions, despite the fact that they're the same age. Agon could be seen as an extreme (and violent) version of the {{bratty younger sibling}} trope.
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* Despite being twins, Unsui is constantly referred to as the "elder brother" quite often. Of course, it's partially because he acts the part, often taking responsibility for his "younger brother's" actions, despite the fact that they're the same age.
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** Neither of the above two are petty sibling arguments at all: under primogeniture, the firstborn gets the inheritance. And really, whether it's 20 minutes or 20 years is irrelevant, as there's still no dispute that one was born first.

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* ''GundamSEED'': [[spoiler: When Cagalli tells Athrun she's glad to have Kira for a little brother, he teasingly asks her if he might not be her big brother instead. She grumpily insists that she was born first]].
* [[InvertedTrope Inverted]] in ''LuckyStar''. Tsukasa tells Kagami it's good she's older, because it would be bad for an older sister to need so much help with schoolwork from the younger. Kagami tells her [[BokeAndTsukkomiRoutine it's bad anyway]].



* Widget and Sludge in the AstroBoy film.

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* Widget and Sludge in the AstroBoy ''AstroBoy'' film.



* In ''NoMoreHeroes'', we find out that [[spoiler:Travis and Henry]], however, it is not discussed until the sequel (in an overly long answering machine message) that [[spoiler:Henry]] is supposedly the older twin, something [[spoiler:Travis]] is quick to make a snarky remark on.
* "DragonQuestVIII": Twins Cash and Carrie try to use this on each other. The problem is, since they were both adopted, neither knows who the older sibling is.

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* In ''NoMoreHeroes'', we find out that [[spoiler:Travis and Henry]], however, it is not discussed until the sequel (in an overly long answering machine message) that [[spoiler:Henry]] is supposedly the older twin, something [[spoiler:Travis]] is quick to make a snarky remark on.
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--> [[spoiler: Travis]]: Big brother? How do you know I didn't pop out first?
--> [[spoiler: Henry]]: [[TheTapeKnewYouWouldSayThat You're prob'ly spoutin' off about which one of us popped out first]].
* "DragonQuestVIII": ''DragonQuestVIII'': Twins Cash and Carrie try to use this on each other. The problem is, since they were both adopted, neither knows who the older sibling is.



* Come on now... if you grew up with twins as siblings, they probably did this at least once. And wasn't it stupid and annoying?
** This younger (fraternal) twin troper and her sister invoke the 7-minute difference not to win fights, but to [[JustifiedTrope justify]] how they both fit into "youngest sibling" and "middle child" roles, respectively. They also use it to point out why they call each other their younger/older sister, especially in foreign languages.
* Heavily averted by this (elder) twin. Everyone ''else'' always asks which one is older when they squabble, and she has yet to figure out why. (Age seems to make a lot less difference than size and/or aggression.)
* This troper had a ''classmate'' who would do it. Even though he was only older than the rest of the class because he was ''held back'' a grade.
* I'm a twin. My twin sister was yanked out a minute before I was. "It's only a minute..."



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** Neither of the above two are petty sibling arguments at all: under primogeniture, the firstborn gets the inheritance. And really, whether it's 20 minutes or 20 years is irrelevant, as there's still no dispute that one was born first.
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* A rather curious example with the Soda Poppers from Telltale's SamAndMax games. Whizzer is mad at Peepers for forgetting his birthday in one episode...even though the brothers are triplets and should theoretically have the same birthday (They don't, actually. Whizzer and Specs are 35...Peepers is 3''4''. It was a looooooooooooooong labor).
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* I'm a twin. My twin sister was yanked out a minute before I was. "It's only a minute..."

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