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* ''LightNovel/TheGreatestMagicmastersRetirementPlan'': Downplayed. Alus Reigin usually doesn't like working with newbies like Tesfia and Alice, but he allows Tesfia to join him in rescuing Alice because he knows how personal the mission is to her. Though he states he would have knocked her out if he didn't think she had enough resolve.

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* ''LightNovel/TheGreatestMagicmastersRetirementPlan'': ''Literature/TheGreatestMagicmastersRetirementPlan'': Downplayed. Alus Reigin usually doesn't like working with newbies like Tesfia and Alice, but he allows Tesfia to join him in rescuing Alice because he knows how personal the mission is to her. Though he states he would have knocked her out if he didn't think she had enough resolve.
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* ''WesternAnimation/{{Zootopia}}'': When Judy is pursuing Duke Weaselton, Officer McHorn yells "leave it to the real cops" at her. Judy is a professional police officer, but an inexperienced one who is on parking duty when the crime happens.


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* ''Literature/JoeGreyMysteries'': Joe himself has to deal with a variant on a regular basis -- it's not the cops who reject his help, but his owner Clyde who constantly tells him to leave the police work to the police, and sometimes does what he can to keep Joe from picking up any new information, such as shutting him out of the house when the local police chief and his buddies come by to play cards so Joe can't eavesdrop. Since Joe is a rather independent tomcat and UpliftedAnimal who's developed the ability to understand and speak English, this doesn't stop him from poking around anyway and calling the cops with anonymous tips based on the information he's picked up.


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* ''VideoGame/TheLegendOfZeldaALinkToThePast'': One sword upgrade is obtained by giving it to two smiths who take turns hammering at it. If you try to join in with your own hammer, they tell you amateurs shouldn't interfere.
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* ''Series/MissFishersMurderMysteries'': At the beginning of the series, AmateurSleuth Phryne offers her insights on cases despite the police's best efforts to rebuff her. As the series progresses, she becomes accepted as a private detective working in tandem with the professionals.
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* ''Literature/TheBerenstainBears'': A variant in the Big Chapter Book ''And the Drug-Free Zone''. The Bear Detectives help expose the source of the drugs that have recently turned up in Bear Country, and while the police thank them for their help in cracking the case (and providing further evidence of the dealers' identities), they also sternly tell off the cubs for getting involved because of how dangerous drug dealers can be, and for jumping to conclusions based on first impressions.

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* ''WesternAnimation/{{Zootopia}}'': When Judy is pursuing Duke Weaselton, Officer [=McHorn=] yells "leave it to the real cops" at her. Judy is a professional police officer, but an inexperienced one who is on parking duty when the crime happens.



* ''Literature/KnitAndNibbleMysteries'': Several times, Pamela and Bettina are told not to investigate the murders that happen in their town -- by the police (who say it's their job and not for civilians), by Nell Bascomb from her knitting club (who doesn't believe in gossip or snooping around, and tells her husband not to help them, though he does anyway), and by Pamela's daughter Penny (who worries about her mom's safety and doesn't want to lose her like she did her dad). Pamela herself isn't too eager to get involved in investigations, but Bettina keeps ignoring anyone who tells her not to go poking around and just drags Pamela into it anyway.

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* ''Literature/KnitAndNibbleMysteries'': Several times, Pamela and Bettina (a magazine editor and a writer for a once-weekly newspaper, respectively) are told not to investigate the murders that happen in their town -- by the police (who say it's their job and not for civilians), by Nell Bascomb from her knitting club (who doesn't believe in gossip or snooping around, and tells her husband not to help them, though he does anyway), and by Pamela's daughter Penny (who worries about her mom's safety and doesn't want to lose her like she did her dad). Pamela herself isn't too eager to get involved in investigations, but Bettina keeps ignoring anyone who tells her not to go poking around and just drags Pamela into it anyway.



* ''Literature/SecondChanceCatMysteries'': Nicolas "Nick" Elliot is a death examiner for the local medical office, who constantly tells his mother and her friends to stay out of police business on the grounds that it's too dangerous for them. The trio just as constantly ignore him and anyone else who does the same thing though, and eventually the face of the agency, Alfred Peterson, officially and legally becomes a registered private investigator early in book 3 to give them legal credibility.

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* ''Literature/SecondChanceCatMysteries'': Nicolas "Nick" Elliot is a death examiner for the local medical office, who constantly tells his mother and her friends to stay out of police business on the grounds that it's too dangerous for them. The trio just as constantly ignore him and anyone else who does the same thing though, and eventually the face of the agency, their detective agency (which they formed to investigate a murder that a friend of theirs was wrongly accused of in book 1), Alfred Peterson, officially and legally becomes a registered private investigator early in book 3 to give them legal credibility.

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* In ''Manga/{{Berserk}}'', Jill's father has a bad case of ICouldaBeenAContender regarding his days in the army. When the Knights of the Iron Chain show up hunting Guts, he offers to guide them, but when battle is about to begin he is shooed away by the knights who don't want civilians messing around.

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* In ''Manga/{{Berserk}}'', ''Manga/{{Berserk}}'': Jill's father has a bad case of ICouldaBeenAContender regarding his days in the army. When the Knights of the Iron Chain show up hunting Guts, he offers to guide them, but when battle is about to begin he is shooed away by the knights who don't want civilians messing around.



* In Creator/AAPessimal's ''Literature/{{Discworld}}'' and ''Series/TheBigBangTheory'' crossover ''Fanfic/TheManyWorldsInterpretation'', the City Watch have to deal with a wild animal on the loose, running panicked in a non-familiar city environment. Doctor Johanna Smith-Rhodes, who realises exactly [[OurWerecreaturesAreDifferent what the animal is]], joins the pursuit. A new and naive Watchman tries to exclude her from the pursuit on the grounds that she's a civilian. Johanna rolls with it, potentially adding assault on a police officer to her charge sheet. Then she rounds up the creature.

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* In Creator/AAPessimal's ''Literature/{{Discworld}}'' ''Fanfic/TheManyWorldsInterpretation'' (''Literature/{{Discworld}}'' and ''Series/TheBigBangTheory'' crossover ''Fanfic/TheManyWorldsInterpretation'', the ''Series/TheBigBangTheory''): The City Watch have to deal with a wild animal on the loose, running panicked in a non-familiar city environment. Doctor Johanna Smith-Rhodes, who realises exactly [[OurWerecreaturesAreDifferent [[OurWerebeastsAreDifferent what the animal is]], joins the pursuit. A new and naive Watchman tries to exclude her from the pursuit on the grounds that she's a civilian. Johanna rolls with it, potentially adding assault on a police officer to her charge sheet. Then she rounds up the creature.
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* ''WesternAnimation/{{Zootopia}}'': When Judy is pursuing Duke Weaselton, Officer [=McHorn=] yells "leave it to the real cops" at her. Judy is a professional police officer, but an inexperienced one who is on parking duty when the crime happens.

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* ''LightNovel/TheGreatestMagicmastersRetirementPlan'': Downplayed. Alus Reigin usually doesn't like working with newbies like Tesfia and Alice, but he allows Tesfia to join him in rescuing Alice because he knows how personal the mission is to her. Though he states he would have knocked her out if he didn't think she had enough resolve.
* ''Literature/KnitAndNibbleMysteries'': Several times, Pamela and Bettina are told not to investigate the murders that happen in their town -- by the police (who say it's their job and not for civilians), by Nell Bascomb from her knitting club (who doesn't believe in gossip or snooping around, and tells her husband not to help them, though he does anyway), and by Pamela's daughter Penny (who worries about her mom's safety and doesn't want to lose her like she did her dad). Pamela herself isn't too eager to get involved in investigations, but Bettina keeps ignoring anyone who tells her not to go poking around and just drags Pamela into it anyway.
* ''Literature/MagicalCatsMysteries'': No matter how helpful Kathleen and her discoveries are, Marcus Gordon keeps telling her to just keep away from whatever case he's working on and not to go snooping around. Being a MysteryMagnet who just keeps attracting evidence, she's unable to do so.
* ''Literature/SecondChanceCatMysteries'': Nicolas "Nick" Elliot is a death examiner for the local medical office, who constantly tells his mother and her friends to stay out of police business on the grounds that it's too dangerous for them. The trio just as constantly ignore him and anyone else who does the same thing though, and eventually the face of the agency, Alfred Peterson, officially and legally becomes a registered private investigator early in book 3 to give them legal credibility.



* ''VideoGame/TheLegendOfZeldaALinkToThePast'': One sword upgrade is obtained by giving it to two smiths who take turns hammering at it. If you try to join in with your own hammer, they tell you amateurs shouldn't interfere.
* In ''VideoGame/TokyoXanadu'', Asuka wants Kou to stay out of her business and not try to investigate the Eclipse with her. She's an enforcer for Nemesis and prefers to [[IWorkAlone work alone]], while Kou has no knowledge of the Underground. He manages to wear her down and get her grudging acceptance, but this trope comes back in full effect in Chapter 5, when Asuka discovers a Greed on a tier higher than anything they've faced before. According to her, a Grim Greed is entirely beyond the rest of the group's skill, and so she puts Kou in a barrier so he doesn't interfere with her defeating it.

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* ''VideoGame/TheLegendOfZeldaALinkToThePast'': One sword upgrade ''Videogame/NocturneRPGMaker'': In the beginning of the game, Reviel Von De Russert always force Luna into the back row of the Defender formation because he doesn't trust her to be able to fight even the most basic monsters. This is obtained by giving it to two smiths who take turns hammering at it. If you try to join deconstructed because ends up hurting Luna's already low self-esteem and puts her in with your own hammer, they tell you amateurs shouldn't interfere.
a downward spiral for the first segment of the game.
* In ''VideoGame/TokyoXanadu'', ''VideoGame/TokyoXanadu'':
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Asuka initially wants Kou to stay out of her business and not try to investigate the Eclipse with her. She's an enforcer for Nemesis and prefers to [[IWorkAlone work alone]], while Kou has no knowledge of the Underground. He manages to wear her down and get her grudging acceptance, but this trope comes back in full effect in Chapter 5, when Asuka discovers a Greed on a tier higher than anything they've faced before. According to her, a Grim Greed is entirely beyond the rest of the group's skill, and so she puts Kou in a barrier so he doesn't interfere with her defeating it.
** [[spoiler: In Chapter 7, when Gorou and the Aegis Battalion intervene, he tells the XRC that they've done great so far, but now that the Breed is active and threatens to cause TheTokyoFireball, it's time for the adults to take charge and deal with things using HumongousMecha.]]
-->Playtime is over. There is no place for juvenile civilians in our operations.



* In ''WesternAnimation/SWATKats'', Commander Feral frequently tells the vigilante SWAT Kats to let the Enforcers handle the MonsterOfTheWeek. The SWAT Kats have an advanced fighter jet that's better than anything the Enforcers have, and PoliceAreUseless against the kind of supervillains they have to fight, so nobody ever listens to him.

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* In ''WesternAnimation/SWATKats'', ''WesternAnimation/SWATKats'': Commander Feral frequently tells repeatedly tries to get the vigilante SWAT Kats to let '''[[BoldInflation the Enforcers Enforcers]]''' handle the MonsterOfTheWeek. The SWAT Kats have an advanced fighter jet that's better than anything threat of the Enforcers have, week. They never listen, and PoliceAreUseless against the kind of supervillains they have to fight, so nobody ever listens to him.supervillainous threats anyway.
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Compare HeroHarassesHelpers and NotNowKiddo. Can lead to ProhibitedHeroSavesTheDay.

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Compare HeroHarassesHelpers and NotNowKiddo. Can lead to ProhibitedHeroSavesTheDay.
ProhibitedHeroSavesTheDay. See also PoliceAreUseless, MilitariesAreUseless, and AdultsAreUseless.
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mis-use: The trope doesn't apply because Judy is a police officer not an amateur and she is breaking protocol by going Cowboy Cop in her pursuit of Weaselton into Little Rodentia. Although she does succeed in capturing the perp, she gets into a load of trouble as a result.


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* In ''WesternAnimation/{{Zootopia}}'', when Judy is pursuing Duke Weaselton, Officer [=McHorn=] yells "leave it to the real cops" at her. Judy is a professional police officer, but an inexperienced one who is on parking duty when the crime happens.
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* In ''Disney/{{Zootopia}}'', when Judy is pursuing Duke Weaselton, Officer [=McHorn=] yells "leave it to the real cops" at her. Judy is a professional police officer, but an inexperienced one who is on parking duty when the crime happens.

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* In ''Disney/{{Zootopia}}'', ''WesternAnimation/{{Zootopia}}'', when Judy is pursuing Duke Weaselton, Officer [=McHorn=] yells "leave it to the real cops" at her. Judy is a professional police officer, but an inexperienced one who is on parking duty when the crime happens.
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* ''VideoGame/ALinkToThePast'': One sword upgrade is obtained by giving it to two smiths who take turns hammering at it. If you try to join in with your own hammer, they tell you amateurs shouldn't interfere.

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* ''VideoGame/ALinkToThePast'': ''VideoGame/TheLegendOfZeldaALinkToThePast'': One sword upgrade is obtained by giving it to two smiths who take turns hammering at it. If you try to join in with your own hammer, they tell you amateurs shouldn't interfere.
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->''The '''Enforcers''' will handle this!''
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Sometimes, of course, the professionals aren't just telling the civilians to step back for their safety. Sometimes, they're trying to maintain TheMasquerade or keep other secrets out of the public eye.

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Sometimes, of course, Sometimes the professionals aren't just telling the civilians to step back for their safety. Sometimes, they're trying to maintain TheMasquerade or keep other secrets out of the public eye.



* In Creator/AAPessimal's ''{{Discworld}}'' and ''Series/TheBigBangTheory'' crossover ''Fanfic/TheManyWorldsInterpretation'', the City Watch have to deal with a wild animal on the loose, running panicked in a non-familiar city environment. Doctor Johanna Smith-Rhodes, who realises exactly [[OurWerecreaturesAreDifferent what the animal is]], joins the pursuit. A new and naive Watchman tries to exclude her from the pursuit on the grounds that she's a civilian. Johanna rolls with it, potentially adding assault on a police officer to her charge sheet. Then she rounds up the creature.

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* In Creator/AAPessimal's ''{{Discworld}}'' ''Literature/{{Discworld}}'' and ''Series/TheBigBangTheory'' crossover ''Fanfic/TheManyWorldsInterpretation'', the City Watch have to deal with a wild animal on the loose, running panicked in a non-familiar city environment. Doctor Johanna Smith-Rhodes, who realises exactly [[OurWerecreaturesAreDifferent what the animal is]], joins the pursuit. A new and naive Watchman tries to exclude her from the pursuit on the grounds that she's a civilian. Johanna rolls with it, potentially adding assault on a police officer to her charge sheet. Then she rounds up the creature.



* In ''WesternAnimation/SWATKats'', Commander Feral frequently tells the vigilante SWAT Kats to let the Enforcers handle the MonsterOfTheWeek. Of course, the SWAT Kats have an advanced fighter jet that's better than anything the Enforcers have, and PoliceAreUseless against the kind of supervillains they have to fight, so nobody ever listens to him.

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* In ''WesternAnimation/SWATKats'', Commander Feral frequently tells the vigilante SWAT Kats to let the Enforcers handle the MonsterOfTheWeek. Of course, the The SWAT Kats have an advanced fighter jet that's better than anything the Enforcers have, and PoliceAreUseless against the kind of supervillains they have to fight, so nobody ever listens to him.
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In Fictionland, the RuleOfDrama means that this never works out. In some stories, the "civilian" is really better able to deal with the situation than the official professionals; this is particularly common in SuperHero stories or other stories with paranormal elements, where the "professionals" may try to defeat a supernatural problem with [[FiveRoundsRapid mundane methods]] and get their backsides handed to them. In others, the protagonists will ignore the professionals and get in ''way'' over their heads for doing so, though even then they tend to solve the story's central problem anyway.

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In Fictionland, the RuleOfDrama means that [[TheMainCharactersDoEverything this never works out.out]]. In some stories, the "civilian" is really better able to deal with the situation than the official professionals; this is particularly common in SuperHero stories or other stories with paranormal elements, where the "professionals" may try to defeat a supernatural problem with [[FiveRoundsRapid mundane methods]] and get their backsides handed to them. In others, the protagonists will ignore the professionals and get in ''way'' over their heads for doing so, though even then they tend to solve the story's central problem anyway.
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->''The '''Enforcers''' will handle this!''
-->'''Commander Feral''', '''''WesternAnimation/SWATKats'''''

Sometimes, when they're dealing with a situation, the protagonists will meet up with the people who are officially supposed to handle this sort of thing: the police, the military, the exterminators, or the AncientConspiracy. Inevitably, the first thing these people will tell a civilian hero to do is to get out of the way and let them do their jobs.

In Fictionland, the RuleOfDrama means that this never works out. In some stories, the "civilian" is really better able to deal with the situation than the official professionals; this is particularly common in SuperHero stories or other stories with paranormal elements, where the "professionals" may try to defeat a supernatural problem with [[FiveRoundsRapid mundane methods]] and get their backsides handed to them. In others, the protagonists will ignore the professionals and get in ''way'' over their heads for doing so, though even then they tend to solve the story's central problem anyway.

Sometimes, of course, the professionals aren't just telling the civilians to step back for their safety. Sometimes, they're trying to maintain TheMasquerade or keep other secrets out of the public eye.

This trope is TruthInTelevision, but in RealLife, [[DontTryThisAtHome it's really better to listen to the professionals when they order you out of the way]].

Compare HeroHarassesHelpers and NotNowKiddo. Can lead to ProhibitedHeroSavesTheDay.

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* In ''Manga/{{Berserk}}'', Jill's father has a bad case of ICouldaBeenAContender regarding his days in the army. When the Knights of the Iron Chain show up hunting Guts, he offers to guide them, but when battle is about to begin he is shooed away by the knights who don't want civilians messing around.

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* In Creator/AAPessimal's ''{{Discworld}}'' and ''Series/TheBigBangTheory'' crossover ''Fanfic/TheManyWorldsInterpretation'', the City Watch have to deal with a wild animal on the loose, running panicked in a non-familiar city environment. Doctor Johanna Smith-Rhodes, who realises exactly [[OurWerecreaturesAreDifferent what the animal is]], joins the pursuit. A new and naive Watchman tries to exclude her from the pursuit on the grounds that she's a civilian. Johanna rolls with it, potentially adding assault on a police officer to her charge sheet. Then she rounds up the creature.

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* In ''Disney/{{Zootopia}}'', when Judy is pursuing Duke Weaselton, Officer [=McHorn=] yells "leave it to the real cops" at her. Judy is a professional police officer, but an inexperienced one who is on parking duty when the crime happens.

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* ''VideoGame/ALinkToThePast'': One sword upgrade is obtained by giving it to two smiths who take turns hammering at it. If you try to join in with your own hammer, they tell you amateurs shouldn't interfere.
* In ''VideoGame/TokyoXanadu'', Asuka wants Kou to stay out of her business and not try to investigate the Eclipse with her. She's an enforcer for Nemesis and prefers to [[IWorkAlone work alone]], while Kou has no knowledge of the Underground. He manages to wear her down and get her grudging acceptance, but this trope comes back in full effect in Chapter 5, when Asuka discovers a Greed on a tier higher than anything they've faced before. According to her, a Grim Greed is entirely beyond the rest of the group's skill, and so she puts Kou in a barrier so he doesn't interfere with her defeating it.

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* In ''WesternAnimation/SWATKats'', Commander Feral frequently tells the vigilante SWAT Kats to let the Enforcers handle the MonsterOfTheWeek. Of course, the SWAT Kats have an advanced fighter jet that's better than anything the Enforcers have, and PoliceAreUseless against the kind of supervillains they have to fight, so nobody ever listens to him.

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