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** In ''VideoGame/FinalFantasyVII'', Sephiroth [[SubvertedTrope doesn't fall into this,]] as he wasn't planning at all on his demise at Nibelheim. However, it did ultimately put him and Jenova in the position to cause the events of the game several years later. Then the game flips the trope into a rare heroic usage ''without'' even using TheObi-Wan; the game heavily implies ''Aerith'' manages to do this thanks to being Cetra, and ultimately saves the world in the end by getting the planet itself to help Holy defeat Sephiroth's Meteor. To reiterate: [[BigGood the flower girl]] [[ThanatosGambit outsmarted the strongest man on the planet]] [[HoistByHisOwnPetard by essentially using her death at his hands to counteract his plan at the last minute.]] It's open to interpretation if this is what she really intended, but there's a lot of evidence suggesting it.

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** In ''VideoGame/FinalFantasyVII'', Sephiroth [[SubvertedTrope doesn't fall into this,]] as he wasn't planning at all on his demise at Nibelheim. However, it did ultimately put him and Jenova in the position to cause the events of the game several years later. Then the game flips the trope into a rare heroic usage ''without'' even using TheObi-Wan; TheObiWan; the game heavily implies ''Aerith'' manages to do this thanks to being Cetra, and ultimately saves the world in the end by getting the planet itself to help Holy defeat Sephiroth's Meteor. To reiterate: [[BigGood the flower girl]] [[ThanatosGambit outsmarted the strongest man on the planet]] [[HoistByHisOwnPetard by essentially using her death at his hands to counteract his plan at the last minute.]] It's open to interpretation if this is what she really intended, but there's a lot of evidence suggesting it.
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** In ''VideoGame/FinalFantasyVII'', Sephiroth [[SubvertedTrope ''doesn't'' fall into this,]] as he wasn't planning at all on his demise at Nibelheim. However, it did ultimately put him and Jenova in the position to cause the events of the game several years later. Then the game flips the trope into a rare heroic usage (depending on your interpretation of events); the game heavily implies ''Aerith'' manages to do this thanks to being Cetra, and ultimately saves the world in the end by getting the planet itself to help Holy defeat Sephiroth's Meteor. To reiterate: [[BigGood the flower girl]] [[XanatosGambit outsmarted the strongest man on the planet]] [[HoistByHisOwnPetard by essentially using her death at his hands to counteract his plan at the last minute.]]

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** In ''VideoGame/FinalFantasyVII'', Sephiroth [[SubvertedTrope ''doesn't'' doesn't fall into this,]] as he wasn't planning at all on his demise at Nibelheim. However, it did ultimately put him and Jenova in the position to cause the events of the game several years later. Then the game flips the trope into a rare heroic usage (depending on your interpretation of events); ''without'' even using TheObi-Wan; the game heavily implies ''Aerith'' manages to do this thanks to being Cetra, and ultimately saves the world in the end by getting the planet itself to help Holy defeat Sephiroth's Meteor. To reiterate: [[BigGood the flower girl]] [[XanatosGambit [[ThanatosGambit outsmarted the strongest man on the planet]] [[HoistByHisOwnPetard by essentially using her death at his hands to counteract his plan at the last minute.]]]] It's open to interpretation if this is what she really intended, but there's a lot of evidence suggesting it.

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** In ''VideoGame/FinalFantasyVII'', Sephiroth died at Nibelheim. But by falling in the Lifestream, his essence refused to be overwhelmed by the planet and several years later he ended up somehow linking up enough with Jenova to reawaken it, setting into motion the real plot of the game. He's also not the only one this happens to; the game heavily implies ''Aerith'' manages to do this thanks to being Cetra, and ultimately saves the world in the end by getting the planet itself to help Holy defeat Sephiroth's Meteor. To reiterate: [[BigGood the flower girl]] [[XanatosGambit outsmarted the strongest man on the planet]] [[HoistByHisOwnPetard by essentially using her death at his hands to counteract his plan at the last minute.]]
*** Notably, the former wasn't planned but ended up making the villain a far greater threat than he would've been already, which Sephiroth and/or Jenova (depending on who you think is in control) readily exploited. The latter is entirely ambiguous about whether or not Aerith actually ''knew'' it would happen or planned it out with foreknowledge from the planet.

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** In ''VideoGame/FinalFantasyVII'', Sephiroth died [[SubvertedTrope ''doesn't'' fall into this,]] as he wasn't planning at all on his demise at Nibelheim. But by falling However, it did ultimately put him and Jenova in the Lifestream, his essence refused position to be overwhelmed by cause the planet and events of the game several years later he ended up somehow linking up enough with Jenova to reawaken it, setting later. Then the game flips the trope into motion the real plot a rare heroic usage (depending on your interpretation of the game. He's also not the only one this happens to; events); the game heavily implies ''Aerith'' manages to do this thanks to being Cetra, and ultimately saves the world in the end by getting the planet itself to help Holy defeat Sephiroth's Meteor. To reiterate: [[BigGood the flower girl]] [[XanatosGambit outsmarted the strongest man on the planet]] [[HoistByHisOwnPetard by essentially using her death at his hands to counteract his plan at the last minute.]]
*** Notably, the former wasn't planned but ended up making the villain a far greater threat than he would've been already, which Sephiroth and/or Jenova (depending on who you think is in control) readily exploited. The latter is entirely ambiguous about whether or not Aerith actually ''knew'' it would happen or planned it out with foreknowledge from the planet.
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*** Notably, the former wasn't planned but ended up making the villain a far greater threat than he would've been already, which Sephiroth and/or Jenova (depending on who you think is in control) readily exploited. The latter is entirely ambiguous about whether or not Aerith actually ''knew'' it would happen or planned it out with foreknowledge from the planet.
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** In ''VideoGame/FinalFantasyVII'', Sephiroth died at Nibelheim. But by falling in the Lifestream, his essence refused to be overwhelmed by the planet and several years later he ended up somehow linking up enough with Jenova to reawaken it, setting into motion the real plot of the game. He's also not the only one this happens to; the game heavily implies ''Aerith'' manages to do this thanks to being Cetra, and ultimately saves the world in the end by getting the planet itself to help Holy defeat Sephiroth's Meteor. To reiterate: [[XanatosGambit the flower girl outsmarted the strongest man on the planet]] [[Irony that killed her himself]] [[HoistByHisOwnPetard by similar power after death to his own.]]

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** In ''VideoGame/FinalFantasyVII'', Sephiroth died at Nibelheim. But by falling in the Lifestream, his essence refused to be overwhelmed by the planet and several years later he ended up somehow linking up enough with Jenova to reawaken it, setting into motion the real plot of the game. He's also not the only one this happens to; the game heavily implies ''Aerith'' manages to do this thanks to being Cetra, and ultimately saves the world in the end by getting the planet itself to help Holy defeat Sephiroth's Meteor. To reiterate: [[BigGood the flower girl]] [[XanatosGambit the flower girl outsmarted the strongest man on the planet]] [[Irony that killed her himself]] [[HoistByHisOwnPetard by similar power after essentially using her death to at his own.hands to counteract his plan at the last minute.]]
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** In ''VideoGame/FinalFantasyVII'', Sephiroth died at Nibelheim. But by falling in the Lifestream, his essence refused to be overwhelmed by the planet and several years later he ended up somehow linking up enough with Jenova to reawaken it, setting into motion the real plot of the game. He's also not the only one this happens to; the game heavily implies ''Aerith'' manages to do this thanks to being Cetra, and ultimately saves the world in the end by getting the planet itself to help Holy defeat Sephiroth's Meteor. To reiterate: [[XanatosGambit the flower girl outsmarted the strongest man on the planet]] [[Irony that killed her himself]] [[HoistByHisOwnPetard by similar power after death to his own.]]
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** [[FinalFantasyXIII2 XIII-2]] has Caius, whose death by itself causes the end of the world. He possesses the Heart of Chaos, which, when destroyed, destroys the goddess Etro, and basically when ''she'' dies, chaos is released into the world, destroying it. He therefore plans to have Noel kill him in order to achieve this.

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** [[FinalFantasyXIII2 [[VideoGame/FinalFantasyXIII2 XIII-2]] has Caius, whose death by itself causes the end of the world. He possesses the Heart of Chaos, which, when destroyed, destroys the goddess Etro, and basically when ''she'' dies, chaos is released into the world, destroying it. He therefore plans to have Noel kill him in order to achieve this.
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*In DJ MacHale's Pendragon series [[spoiler: in Raven Rise, book 9, Naymeer, the leader of a huge cult, is killed by Bobby. It turned out his death made him a martyr to the cult, and corrupted Bobby.]]
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->''"The Darkness is not so easily destroyed! No... [[TropeNamers my death is just the beginning]]!"''

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* In the ''Literature/Gameknight999Series'', Herobrine leaves behind malicious code after his death, which will corrupt and overload the Minecraft server.
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* Becoming a lich in ''TabletopGame/DungeonsAndDragons'' requires that a wizard or similar spellcaster kill himself in a specific ritual to attain greater power in undeath.

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* Becoming a lich [[OurLichesAreDifferent lich]] in ''TabletopGame/DungeonsAndDragons'' requires that a wizard or similar spellcaster kill himself in a specific ritual to attain greater power in undeath.
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* Crake in ''OryxAndCrake''.

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* Crake in ''OryxAndCrake''.''Literature/OryxAndCrake''.
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* In NorseMythology, Odin once carefully performed all the appropriate rituals to be a human sacrifice... to Odin. He hung himself from the world tree for nine days, before returning to life with new knowledge - nine magical songs and eighteen magical runes. {{Determinator}} much?

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* In NorseMythology, Myth/NorseMythology, Odin once carefully performed all the appropriate rituals to be a human sacrifice... to Odin. He hung himself from the world tree for nine days, before returning to life with new knowledge - nine magical songs and eighteen magical runes. {{Determinator}} much?
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* Winnowill eventually tries to pull this off in ''ElfQuest''. She at least gets the dying part right.

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* Winnowill eventually tries to pull this off in ''ElfQuest''.''ComicBook/ElfQuest''. She at least gets the dying part right.
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*** It's also hinted in the now non-canon DarkEmpire arc that Palpatine planned for his own death so he could grow stronger in the dark side, or at least created a back up plan involving cloning in case his original body had been unexpectedly killed that consequentially resulted in him gaining more power.

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*** It's also hinted in the now non-canon DarkEmpire ComicBook/DarkEmpire arc that Palpatine planned for his own death so he could grow stronger in the dark side, or at least created a back up plan involving cloning in case his original body had been unexpectedly killed that consequentially resulted in him gaining more power.
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* In ''CrisisOnInfiniteEarths'', Harbinger is possessed by one of the Anti-Monitor's shadow demons and kills the [[CosmicEntity Monitor]] under its influence. However, the Monitor anticipated her betrayal, and arranged it so that the energy released by his death was able to preserve Earths One and Two from being destroyed by the Anti-Monitor.

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* In ''CrisisOnInfiniteEarths'', ''ComicBook/CrisisOnInfiniteEarths'', Harbinger is possessed by one of the Anti-Monitor's shadow demons and kills the [[CosmicEntity Monitor]] under its influence. However, the Monitor anticipated her betrayal, and arranged it so that the energy released by his death was able to preserve Earths One and Two from being destroyed by the Anti-Monitor.
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* In regards to Kayfabe, Wrestling/TheUndertaker is the living embodiment of this trope. After he "dies", whether by getting stuffed in a casket or buried alive, he always came back with a more intense look within a few months. One of his most memorable moments is the return of the Deadman gimmick after his biker self got buried alive by his brother Wrestling/{{Kane}}.

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* In regards to Kayfabe, Wrestling/TheUndertaker is the living embodiment of this trope. After he "dies", whether by getting stuffed in a casket or buried alive, he always came back with a more intense look within a few months. One of his most memorable moments is the [[http://youtu.be/lBr_Kz2MCrk return of the Deadman gimmick gimmick]] after his biker self got buried alive by his brother Wrestling/{{Kane}}.
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* In regards to [[Kayfabe]], Wrestling/TheUndertaker is the living embodiment of this trope. After he "dies", whether by getting stuffed in a casket or buried alive, he always came back with a more intense look within a few months. One of his most memorable moments is the return of the Deadman gimmick after his biker self got buried alive by his brother Wrestling/Kane.

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* In regards to [[Kayfabe]], Kayfabe, Wrestling/TheUndertaker is the living embodiment of this trope. After he "dies", whether by getting stuffed in a casket or buried alive, he always came back with a more intense look within a few months. One of his most memorable moments is the return of the Deadman gimmick after his biker self got buried alive by his brother Wrestling/Kane.
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* In regards to [[Kayfabe]], Wrestling/TheUndertaker is the living embodiment of this trope. After he "dies", whether by getting stuffed in a casket or buried alive, he always came back with a more intense look within a few months. One of his most memorable moments is the return of the Deadman gimmick after his biker self got buried alive by his brother Wrestling/Kane.

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* In the last episodes of ''{{Gundam 00}}'', Ribbons kills the "twins" Regene Regetta and Tieria Erde, only to find that Regene was manipulating him all along. Regene and Tieria's deaths allow Tieria's consciousness to be uploaded into the supercomputer VEDA, where he works against Ribbons as a benevolent AI.

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* In the last episodes of ''{{Gundam 00}}'', ''Anime/MobileSuitGundam00'', Ribbons kills the "twins" Regene Regetta and Tieria Erde, only to find that Regene was manipulating him all along. Regene and Tieria's deaths allow Tieria's consciousness to be uploaded into the supercomputer VEDA, where he works against Ribbons as a benevolent AI.
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* Subverted in ''MetalGearSolid3''. The Boss didn't have any plan of her own past dying, but before the final battle, she ominously states that whoever lives will have to face an endless series of battles and will never obtain peace. This is undoubtedly true, as Big Boss's victory is what sets up the rest of the series.

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* Subverted in ''MetalGearSolid3''.''VideoGame/MetalGearSolid3SnakeEater''. The Boss didn't have any plan of her own past dying, but before the final battle, she ominously states that whoever lives will have to face an endless series of battles and will never obtain peace. This is undoubtedly true, as Big Boss's victory is what sets up the rest of the series.
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* ''Anime/UFORoboGrendizer'': This ''{{Mazinger}}'' series gave us a rare heroic example. In the GoNagai manga, a [[{{Robeast}} Saucer Beast]] cornered [[TheHero Duke Fleed]] and [[TheDragon Blackie]] demanded that he reveal Grendizer’s hideout. He refused to talk and assured that ''[[Anime/MazingerZ all]]'' ''[[Anime/GreatMazinger his]]'' ''[[Manga/GetterRobo friends]]'' would go on fighting until they defeated them using his HumongousMecha.

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* ''Anime/UFORoboGrendizer'': This ''{{Mazinger}}'' ''Anime/{{Mazinger|Z}}'' series gave us a rare heroic example. In the GoNagai manga, a [[{{Robeast}} Saucer Beast]] cornered [[TheHero Duke Fleed]] and [[TheDragon Blackie]] demanded that he reveal Grendizer’s hideout. He refused to talk and assured that ''[[Anime/MazingerZ all]]'' ''[[Anime/GreatMazinger his]]'' ''[[Manga/GetterRobo friends]]'' would go on fighting until they defeated them using his HumongousMecha.
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* ''The End of All Things: This Hollow Union'', a short story in the ''Literature/OldMansWar'' series, climaxes with General Tarsem Gau, the beleaguered leader of the Conclave, being killed by a bomb while addressing the Assembly on the importance of the Conclave's continued survival. A letter he left for his assistant and [[YouAreNowInCommand successor]] apologizes for putting her in such a situation, while explaining that [[HeroicSuicide he planted the bomb himself]], in hopes that his assassination would galvanize the Conclave into getting past its troubles.

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* ''The End of All Things: This Hollow Union'', a short story in the ''Literature/OldMansWar'' series, climaxes with General Tarsem Gau, the beleaguered leader of the Conclave, being killed by a bomb while addressing the Assembly on the importance of the Conclave's continued survival. A letter he left for his assistant and [[YouAreNowInCommand [[YouAreInCommandNow successor]] apologizes for putting her in such a situation, while explaining that [[HeroicSuicide he planted the bomb himself]], in hopes that his assassination would galvanize the Conclave into getting past its troubles.
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* ''The End of All Things: This Hollow Union'', a short story in the ''Literature/OldMansWar'' series, climaxes with General Tarsem Gau, the beleaguered leader of the Conclave, being killed by a bomb while addressing the Assembly on the importance of the Conclave's continued survival. A letter he left for his assistant and [[YouAreNowInCommand successor]] apologizes for putting her in such a situation, while explaining that [[HeroicSuicide he planted the bomb himself]], in hopes that his assassination would galvanize the Conclave into getting past its troubles.
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* In ''{{Killzone}} 2'' when Rico and Sev find [[BigBad Visari]], he points out that killing him would only make him into a martyr figure for the Helghast. Rico shoots him anyway, and the war rages on.
* ''SilentHill4: The Room'' has main character Walter Sullivan committing suicide as one of the steps necessary to perform the 21 Sacrements. His ghost continues the ceremony by killing sacrifices in his stead.

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* In ''{{Killzone}} ''VideoGame/{{Killzone}} 2'' when Rico and Sev find [[BigBad Visari]], he points out that killing him would only make him into a martyr figure for the Helghast. Rico shoots him anyway, and the war rages on.
* ''SilentHill4: ''VideoGame/SilentHill4: The Room'' has main character Walter Sullivan committing suicide as one of the steps necessary to perform the 21 Sacrements. His ghost continues the ceremony by killing sacrifices in his stead.
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* Resident Evil has a couple of examples of this - notably the Weskers
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*** It's also hinted in the DarkEmpire arc that Palpatine planned for his own death so he could grow stronger in the dark side, or at least created a back up plan involving cloning in case his original body had been unexpectedly killed that consequentially resulted in him gaining more power.

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*** It's also hinted in the now non-canon DarkEmpire arc that Palpatine planned for his own death so he could grow stronger in the dark side, or at least created a back up plan involving cloning in case his original body had been unexpectedly killed that consequentially resulted in him gaining more power.
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* In ''Manga/{{Saiyuki}}'', [[MentorOccupationalHazard Koumyou's death in a youkai attack]] right after he passed his rank and responsibilities onto his pupil is suggested to be this trope. Considering the person who voiced the suggestion, the reveal of this ''might'' have been intended just to mess with Sanzo, but on the other hand, said person ''did'' get to see Koumyou's true strength first-hand, and thus his claim that Koumyou was powerful enough to easily fend off the attackers is far from being baseless. The implication is that Koumyou knew what effect his HeroicSacrifice for Sanzo would have on Sanzo himself; indeed, this results in Sanzo's life getting dedicated to recovering his master's sutra stolen in the attack, and he grows up to be the {{Badass}} {{Determinator}} seen throughout the main series. Whether Koumyou's death had something to do with [[spoiler:his bet with Ukoku]] remains to be seen.
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* Also, according to Simon's father in ''[[{{Illuminatus}} The Illuminatus! Trilogy]]'', the night before his execution, Joe Hill called the local Industrial Workers of the World chapter and told them "Don't grieve, organize".

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* Also, according to Simon's father in ''[[{{Illuminatus}} ''[[Literature/{{Illuminatus}} The Illuminatus! Trilogy]]'', the night before his execution, Joe Hill called the local Industrial Workers of the World chapter and told them "Don't grieve, organize".
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* A literal example of this occurs in ''{{Saw}} IV''. After finding a microcassette in the stomach of Jigsaw during his autopsy, the medical coroner calls the police in. They listen to the tape as Jigsaw explains that his death is just the beginning, and that his work will continue. Of course, a detective ended up taking on his mantle.

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* A literal example of this occurs in ''{{Saw}} IV''.''Film/SawIV''. After finding a microcassette in the stomach of Jigsaw during his autopsy, the medical coroner calls the police in. They listen to the tape as Jigsaw explains that his death is just the beginning, and that his work will continue. Of course, a detective ended up taking on his mantle.

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