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** Like the SilentHill example above, while welcomed by most, when Resident Evil 4's combat was vastly improved with the over the shoulder camera and quick time events, there were people who claimed that it ruined the game.

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** FridgeBrilliance, when you consider that "Spoony" actually ''does'' mean something, it's just not a commonly used word.

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** FridgeBrilliance, when you consider that "Spoony" actually ''does'' mean something, it's just not a commonly used word. word.
*** "The bard ''was'' spoony. We checked!"
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** Noticably, when it came time for them to dub ''DragonballKai'', they put some of it [[AscendedMeme back in]].

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** Noticably, Noticeably, when it came time for them to dub ''DragonballKai'', they put some of it [[AscendedMeme back in]].



* ''StarOcean 2's'' EnhancedRemake got this. The fans were ''all'' saying, "Boy I hope they redo the voice acting!" and/or "I hope they translate it better this time!" when the EnhancedRemake was announced for the Playstation Portable. Those were perhaps the ''number one criticism'' from fans, and even critics who dislike the genre as a whole. Then it comes, and fans actually said they liked the Playstation version ''better'', partly due to the NostalgiaFilter. (The Ten Wise Men names, however, are all up to the subject of opinion and are therefore excluded, some people who liked the Playstation Portable version better actually appreciated Indalecio) Nevermind that not only were some characters saying "Claude" and others "Craude" in the Playstation version, the developers actually ''forgot to record'' two of Rena's spells (That she often uses) and they play the japanese audio, and it was in general, just a rush job.

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* ''StarOcean 2's'' EnhancedRemake got this. The fans were ''all'' saying, "Boy I hope they redo the voice acting!" and/or "I hope they translate it better this time!" when the EnhancedRemake was announced for the Playstation Portable. Those were perhaps the ''number one criticism'' from fans, and even critics who dislike the genre as a whole. Then it comes, and fans actually said they liked the Playstation version ''better'', partly due to the NostalgiaFilter. (The Ten Wise Men names, however, are all up to the subject of opinion and are therefore excluded, some people who liked the Playstation Portable version better actually appreciated Indalecio) Nevermind Never mind that not only were some characters saying "Claude" and others "Craude" in the Playstation version, the developers actually ''forgot to record'' two of Rena's spells (That she often uses) and they play the japanese Japanese audio, and it was in general, just a rush job.
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* The AngLee-directed ''[[TheIncredibleHulk Hulk]]'' tried to be serious, but with its cheesy lines, poor acting, awful pace, dodgy effects (bouncy tanks!) and Hulk's Narmish roar (fun if you join in) the film managed to be a humorous example of SoBadItsGood. Then the second film actually didn't suck and was instead... [[SoOkayItsAverage watchable]]. Good if you're a fan of the film, not so good if you enjoyed laughing at it. Then again, a similar argument could be made for those who preferred the charm of the low-budget TV Series over the first big-budget movie's excesses.

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* The AngLee-directed ''[[TheIncredibleHulk Hulk]]'' tried to be serious, but with its some people felt it had cheesy lines, poor acting, an awful pace, and dodgy effects (bouncy tanks!) and Hulk's Narmish roar (fun if you join in) (such as bouncy tanks) which to them, made the film managed to be become a humorous example of SoBadItsGood. Then the second film actually didn't suck and was instead... [[SoOkayItsAverage watchable]]. Good if you're a fan of the film, not so good if you enjoyed laughing at it. Then again, a similar argument could be made for those who preferred the charm of the low-budget TV Series over the first big-budget movie's excesses.
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* Starting to become a RunningJoke, but pretty much every feature that Facebook adds is met with howls of outrage from people who insist that they "liked the old Facebook better."
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*** It wasn't actually liked because it was low-quality, it's more liked due to the NostalgiaFilter - for a lot of people, it was the first anime they actually ''saw'', especially one that was aimed at a more mature audience thanks to the AnimationAgeGhetto.
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** Actually, the reason people say it's "not a true Silent Hill game" is because it wasn't made by Team Silent, the developers of the "classic" Silent Hill games, although the combat is often seen as a byproduct of this change.

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** There were also people complaining about the art in the later ones, even though the generation one sprites were downright ''hideous''. (So hideous, they had to update them ''twice'' so they even ''looked'' like they could possibly be something from the manga)

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** There were also people complaining about the art in the later ones, even though the generation one sprites were downright ''hideous''. (So hideous, they had to update them ''twice'' so they even ''looked'' like they could possibly be something from the manga) manga)
*** Go look at the NES MOTHER game's sprites. Ape became Creatures Inc, a third owner of Pokemon. The look was likely intentional.
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* The original ScoobyDoo had bad dialouge, low quality animation, [[SoUnfunnyItsFunny bad jokes]] and [[JigsawPuzzlePlot ridiculous plots]] for the "monsters" reason of being there and that memorable line "I would have gotten away with it too, if it hadn't been for you meddling kids." So even after airing it years after the time its set in, it is fun to watch. But then multiple remakes came along [[NarmCharm removing these charming factors]] and [[ILikedItBetterWhenItSucked well...]]

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* The original ScoobyDoo had bad dialouge, dialogue, low quality animation, [[SoUnfunnyItsFunny bad jokes]] and [[JigsawPuzzlePlot ridiculous plots]] for the "monsters" reason of being there and that memorable line "I would have gotten away with it too, if it hadn't been for you meddling kids." So even after airing it years after the time its set in, it is fun to watch. But then multiple remakes came along [[NarmCharm removing these charming factors]] and [[ILikedItBetterWhenItSucked well...]]
making it a lot less fun. However, the new ScoobyDooMysteryInc seems poised to have true quality, perhaps allowing to climb out of the pt.
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** Even if you don't speak Spanish, compare: [[http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=009GRHKykUk&feature=related So Bad Is Good Intro]] and [[http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FGbVNSFVW_Q So Ok It's average Intro]]

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** Even if you don't speak Spanish, compare: [[http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=009GRHKykUk&feature=related So Bad Is It's Good Intro]] and [[http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FGbVNSFVW_Q So Ok It's average Average Intro]]
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* The English dub of Angel Blade gives all the women rounded even tones... including [[PsychopathicManchild Karin,]] which isn't ravingly bad, per se, but it loses its narmy goodness in the process.

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* The English dub of Angel Blade AngelBlade gives all the women rounded even tones... including [[PsychopathicManchild Karin,]] which isn't ravingly bad, ''bad,'' per se, but it loses its narmy goodness in the process.
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* The English dub of Angel Blade gives all the women rounded even tones... including [[PsychopathicManchild Karin,]] which isn't ravingly bad, per se, but it loses its narmy goodness in the process.
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** Which is ironic, because the first Galaxy STILL had an [[ExcusePlot Excuse Plot]]--the only thing that set it apart from most of the other Mario platformers story-wise was some optional backstory sequences and a strange ending.
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** Now [[SoBadItsGood why would anyone prefer a lower-quality version, hmm?]]
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** Noticably, when it came time for them to dub ''DragonballKai'', they put some of it [[AscendedMeme back in]].
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** FridgeBrilliance, when you consider that "Spoony" actually ''does'' mean something, it's just not a commonly used word.

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** This is due in part to the fact that only the English translation used archaic-sounding dialogue (the Japanese version always used modern Japanese), and actually made some nonsensical changes such as Inkidasu being "Iaido" (drawing the sword from the sheath, and a real martial art) instead of "Draw Out" (drawing spirits from the sword). Say what you will about the PS1 version's bad dialogue, but the item/skill names were dead-on literal. In a slight reversal of this trope, the "write entirely new dialogue to match an aesthetic not found in the original" was applied ''later'' and tends to be more well-received amongst fans who weren't around for the original.

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** This is due in part to the fact that only the English translation used archaic-sounding dialogue (the Japanese version always used modern Japanese), and actually made some nonsensical changes such as Inkidasu being "Iaido" (drawing the sword from the sheath, and a real martial art) instead of "Draw Out" (drawing spirits from the sword). Say what you will about the PS1 version's bad dialogue, but the item/skill names were dead-on literal. (Until you wonder why "Fire Bracelet" is breathing fire on you, or why you're summoning "Rich") In a slight reversal of this trope, the "write entirely new dialogue to match an aesthetic not found in the original" was applied ''later'' and tends to be more well-received amongst fans who weren't around for the original.



** The same happened in Generation IV, which made a ''lot'' of pokemon ''significantly'' more useful.
* ''TheElderScrolls'' had complaints about graphics and repetitive combat, especially how hard it was to measure depth. Made easier to actually ''hit'' enemies in the other games, and made it so that one isn't ''constantly'' resting (Unless you're exploiting Alchemy in ''Morrowind'') to merely bring back ''fatigue''. Some complaints about ''Oblivion'' was merely because Alchemy wasn't so bugged.

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** The same happened in Generation IV, which made a ''lot'' of pokemon ''significantly'' more useful. \n (Gyarados has a high attack stat! I can actually ''use'' him now!)
** There were also people complaining about the art in the later ones, even though the generation one sprites were downright ''hideous''. (So hideous, they had to update them ''twice'' so they even ''looked'' like they could possibly be something from the manga)
** Mention anything about how buggy and glitchy Gen I was, and you'll often get a comment about how awesome Missingno was and that actually made up for all of the glitches.
* ''TheElderScrolls'' had complaints about graphics and repetitive combat, especially how hard it was to measure depth. Made It was made easier to actually ''hit'' enemies in the other games, and made it so that one isn't ''constantly'' resting (Unless you're exploiting Alchemy in ''Morrowind'') to merely bring back ''fatigue''. Some complaints about ''Oblivion'' was were merely because Alchemy wasn't so bugged.
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*The original ScoobyDoo had bad dialouge, low quality animation, [[SoUnfunnyItsFunny bad jokes]] and [[JigsawPuzzlePlot ridiculous plots]] for the "monsters" reason of being there and that memorable line "I would have gotten away with it too, if it hadn't been for you meddling kids." So even after airing it years after the time its set in, it is fun to watch. But then multiple remakes came along [[NarmCharm removing these charming factors]] and [[ILikedItBetterWhenItSucked well...]]
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* FinalFantasyIV, on the other hand, has consistently ''avoided'' this by keeping the much-beloved "spoony bard" line in all its various rereleases.

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* FinalFantasyIV, on the other hand, has consistently ''avoided'' this by keeping the much-beloved "spoony bard" "{{spoony bard}}" line in all its various rereleases.
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* The notoriously trashy 1992 Hong Kong production ''Naked Killer'' originally sported hilariously badly-translated English subtitles (featuring such unforgettable lines as "When I saw Kitty, I had priapism!") which many viewers felt enhanced the delirious experience of the film. The "digitally restored and remastered" DVD featured newly (and apparently, more accurately) translated subtitles, which rather spoiled the fun for fans of the original version.

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** ''{{Troll 2}}'' is a similiar case. Hilariously, spectacularly terrible, and considered by many to be the MostTriumphantExample of SoBadItsGood. ''Troll'', however, is really only notable because of its connection to ''Troll 2'', and because, by pure coincidence, its hero is [[NamesTheSame named]] HarryPotter. Only a borderline example, however, as ''Troll'' and ''Troll 2'' are related InNameOnly. ''Troll 3'' (no meaningful connection either, as it's really another sequel to ''TheBladeMaster'') was also completely insignificant.

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** ''{{Troll 2}}'' is a similiar similar case. Hilariously, spectacularly terrible, and considered by many to be the MostTriumphantExample of SoBadItsGood. ''Troll'', however, is really only notable because of its connection to ''Troll 2'', and because, by pure coincidence, its hero is [[NamesTheSame named]] HarryPotter. Only a borderline example, however, as ''Troll'' and ''Troll 2'' are related InNameOnly. ''Troll 3'' (no meaningful connection either, as it's really another sequel to ''TheBladeMaster'') was also completely insignificant.



** That brings us some amusing comments from viewers complaining about the dazzling action scenes and fast-paced writing. "Where's the heavy-handed moralism and political commentary? Why aren't the fights more like two out-of-shape guys in rubber suits doing lame karate chops at each other?"



* This trope was parodied in an Onion video about the 2009 ''Film/StarTrek'' movie, with viewers complaining about the dazzling action scenes and fast-paced writing. "Where's the heavy-handed moralism and political commentary? Why aren't the fights more like two out-of-shape guys in rubber suits doing lame karate chops at each other?"

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* This trope was parodied in an Onion video about the 2009 ''Film/StarTrek'' movie, with viewers complaining about the dazzling action scenes and fast-paced writing. "Where's the heavy-handed moralism and political commentary? Why aren't the fights more like two out-of-shape guys in rubber suits doing lame karate chops at each other?"



* The GBA remake FinalFantasyVI recieved quite a bit of flak for its re-translation, particularly the "correction" of a number of Woolseyisms. Kefka's immortal "Son of a submariner!" line becomes the far-less-memorable "Son of a sandworm!"

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* The GBA remake FinalFantasyVI recieved received quite a bit of flak for its re-translation, particularly the "correction" of a number of Woolseyisms. Kefka's immortal "Son of a submariner!" line becomes the far-less-memorable "Son of a sandworm!"



* A chunk of the [[ResidentEvil1 original]] ResidentEvil's fanbase was offput by the [=GameCube=] remake of the the game from 2002, which signifigantly "improved" the original's hammy acting and terrible localization ("You were almost a Jill sandwich!") and replaced it with a more natural, sometimes genuinely scary script ("A second later, you would have fit nicely in a sandwich!"). Usually for these fans, the choice between the [=PlayStation=] and [=GameCube=] versions comes down to whether you want cheesiness or actual horror.

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* A chunk of the [[ResidentEvil1 original]] ResidentEvil's fanbase was offput by the [=GameCube=] remake of the the game from 2002, which signifigantly significantly "improved" the original's hammy acting and terrible localization ("You were almost a Jill sandwich!") and replaced it with a more natural, sometimes genuinely scary script ("A second later, you would have fit nicely in a sandwich!"). Usually for these fans, the choice between the [=PlayStation=] and [=GameCube=] versions comes down to whether you want cheesiness or actual horror.



** the same happened in Generation IV, which made a ''lot'' of pokemon ''significantly'' more useful.

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** the The same happened in Generation IV, which made a ''lot'' of pokemon ''significantly'' more useful.
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** Of course, the remake contains its own supply of amusingly poor writing and hammy delivery, if one knows where to look. These include Barry's incredulous "''A dining room''?!", Wesker's "Christhisway!!", and Chris's terribly-acted "You murdered them with your own ''dirty hands''!"
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** Even if you don't speak Spanish, compare: [[http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=009GRHKykUk&feature=related So Bad Is Good Intro]] and [[http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FGbVNSFVW_Q So Ok It's average Intro]]
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*** They are so much better when said commercials are filled with HumongousMecha and StuffBlowingUp. Even if the plot fails at being coherent and the dialogue is... [[SoYeah yeah.]]

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*** They are so much better when said commercials are filled with HumongousMecha and StuffBlowingUp. Even if the plot fails at being coherent and the dialogue is... [[SoYeah yeah.]]coherent.
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** ''{{Troll 2}}'' is a similiar case. Hilariously, spectacularly terrible, and considered by many to be the MostTriumphantExample of SoBadItsGood. ''Troll'', however, is really only notable because of its connection to ''Troll 2'', and because, by pure coincidence, its hero is [[NamesTheSame named]] HarryPotter. Only a borderline example, however, as ''Troll'' and ''Troll 2'' are related InNameOnly. ''Troll 3'' (no meaningful connexion either, as it's really another sequel to ''TheBladeMaster'') was also completely insignificant.

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** ''{{Troll 2}}'' is a similiar case. Hilariously, spectacularly terrible, and considered by many to be the MostTriumphantExample of SoBadItsGood. ''Troll'', however, is really only notable because of its connection to ''Troll 2'', and because, by pure coincidence, its hero is [[NamesTheSame named]] HarryPotter. Only a borderline example, however, as ''Troll'' and ''Troll 2'' are related InNameOnly. ''Troll 3'' (no meaningful connexion connection either, as it's really another sequel to ''TheBladeMaster'') was also completely insignificant.
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** ''{{Troll 2}}'' is a similiar case. Hilariously, spectacularly terrible, and considered by many to be the MostTriumphantExample of SoBadItsGood. ''Troll'', however, is really only notable because of its connexion to ''Troll 2'', and because, by pure coincidence, its hero is [[NamesTheSame named]] HarryPotter. Only a borderline example, however, as ''Troll'' and ''Troll 2'' are related InNameOnly. ''Troll 3'' (no meaningful connexion either, as it's really another sequel to ''TheBladeMaster'') was also completely insignificant.

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** ''{{Troll 2}}'' is a similiar case. Hilariously, spectacularly terrible, and considered by many to be the MostTriumphantExample of SoBadItsGood. ''Troll'', however, is really only notable because of its connexion connection to ''Troll 2'', and because, by pure coincidence, its hero is [[NamesTheSame named]] HarryPotter. Only a borderline example, however, as ''Troll'' and ''Troll 2'' are related InNameOnly. ''Troll 3'' (no meaningful connexion either, as it's really another sequel to ''TheBladeMaster'') was also completely insignificant.

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