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* ''WebAnimation/SpookyMonth'': When introduced in the first episode, the then-unnamed Bob Velseb was little more than a gag, holding Lila at knifepoint but then happily letting go once Skid reminds them both that it's Spooky Month and Lila offers him some candy. In his second appearance in the fifth episode, "Tender Treats", Bob is revealed to be a serial killer with an incredibly high body count and taste for human flesh, and a flashback to the first episode shows that Lila called the cops on him moments after Skid left the house.

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* ''WebAnimation/SpookyMonth'': When introduced in the first episode, the then-unnamed Bob Velseb was little more than a gag, holding Lila at knifepoint but then happily letting go once Skid reminds them both that it's Spooky Month "Spooky Month" and Lila offers him some candy. In his second appearance in the fifth episode, "Tender Treats", Bob is revealed to be a serial killer with an incredibly high body count and taste for human flesh, and a flashback to the first episode shows that Lila called the cops on him moments after Skid left the house.
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* ''WebAnimation/SpookyMonth'': When introduced in the first episode, the then-unnamed Bob Velseb was little more than a gag, holding Lila at knifepoint but then happily letting go once Skid reminds them both that it's Spooky Month and Lila offers him some candy. In his second appearance in the fifth episode, "Tender Treats", he's revealed to be a serial killer with an incredibly high body count and taste for human flesh, and a flashback to the first episode shows that Lila called the cops on him moments after Skid left the house.

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* ''WebAnimation/SpookyMonth'': When introduced in the first episode, the then-unnamed Bob Velseb was little more than a gag, holding Lila at knifepoint but then happily letting go once Skid reminds them both that it's Spooky Month and Lila offers him some candy. In his second appearance in the fifth episode, "Tender Treats", he's Bob is revealed to be a serial killer with an incredibly high body count and taste for human flesh, and a flashback to the first episode shows that Lila called the cops on him moments after Skid left the house.
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* ''WebAnimation/SpookyMonth'': When introduced in the first episode, the then-unnamed Bob Velseb was little more than a gag, holding Lila at knifepoint but then happily letting go once Skid reminds them both that it's Spooky Month and Lila offers him some candy. In his second appearance in "Tender Treats", he's revealed to be a serial killer with an incredibly high body count and taste for human flesh, and a flashback to the first episode shows that Lila called the cops on him moments after Skid left the house.

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* ''WebAnimation/SpookyMonth'': When introduced in the first episode, the then-unnamed Bob Velseb was little more than a gag, holding Lila at knifepoint but then happily letting go once Skid reminds them both that it's Spooky Month and Lila offers him some candy. In his second appearance in the fifth episode, "Tender Treats", he's revealed to be a serial killer with an incredibly high body count and taste for human flesh, and a flashback to the first episode shows that Lila called the cops on him moments after Skid left the house.
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* ''WebAnimation/SpookyMonth'': When introduced in the first episode, the then-unnamed Bob Velseb was little more than a gag, holding Lila at knifepoint but then happily letting go once Skid reminds them both that it's Spooky Month and Lila offers him some candy. When he appears again in "Tender Treats", he's revealed to be a serial killer with an incredibly high body count and taste for human flesh, and a flashback to the first episode shows that Lila called the cops on him moments after Skid left the house.

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* ''WebAnimation/SpookyMonth'': When introduced in the first episode, the then-unnamed Bob Velseb was little more than a gag, holding Lila at knifepoint but then happily letting go once Skid reminds them both that it's Spooky Month and Lila offers him some candy. When he appears again In his second appearance in "Tender Treats", he's revealed to be a serial killer with an incredibly high body count and taste for human flesh, and a flashback to the first episode shows that Lila called the cops on him moments after Skid left the house.
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* ''Franchise/StarWars'': The Sequel Trilogy does this with Ben Solo, aka [[DarthVaderClone Kylo Ren]]. ''Film/TheForceAwakens'' states that Ben's fall to the Dark Side involved him attacking his teacher Luke Skywalker, and leading the Knights of Ren in slaughtering all of Luke's other students. Then ''Film/TheLastJedi'' reveals his attack on Luke wasn't unprovoked. Luke had sensed the Dark Side within Ben and considered killing him just long enough to ignite his lightsaber, before thinking better and lowering his weapon--but that was still enough to make Ben think he was being attacked and lash out. (The movie mocks the idea that this sympathetic backstory absolves Ben of his later crimes. Upon learning about Ben's past, Rey becomes convinced she can redeem him, and this fails spectacularly.) Then the tie-in comics leading up to the release of ''Film/TheRiseOfSkywalker'' further absolved Ben Solo by revealing he didn't actually kill Luke's other students. The Knights of Ren did that without Ben's input, aided by a sudden thunderstorm (implied to be caused by Supreme Leader Snoke). Presumably, this was done to make Ben's actual for-real redemption at the film's end more palatable to audiences.

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* ''Franchise/StarWars'': The Sequel Trilogy does this with Ben Solo, aka [[DarthVaderClone [[Characters/StarWarsKyloRen Kylo Ren]]. ''Film/TheForceAwakens'' states that Ben's fall to the Dark Side involved him attacking his teacher Luke Skywalker, and leading the Knights of Ren in slaughtering all of Luke's other students. Then ''Film/TheLastJedi'' reveals his attack on Luke wasn't unprovoked. Luke had sensed the Dark Side within Ben and considered killing him just long enough to ignite his lightsaber, before thinking better and lowering his weapon--but that was still enough to make Ben think he was being attacked and lash out. (The movie mocks the idea that this sympathetic backstory absolves Ben of his later crimes. Upon learning about Ben's past, Rey becomes convinced she can redeem him, and this fails spectacularly.) Then the tie-in comics leading up to the release of ''Film/TheRiseOfSkywalker'' further absolved Ben Solo by revealing he didn't actually kill Luke's other students. The Knights of Ren did that without Ben's input, aided by a sudden thunderstorm (implied to be caused by Supreme Leader Snoke). Presumably, this was done to make Ben's actual for-real redemption at the film's end more palatable to audiences.

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** ''Series/StarTrekDeepSpaceNine'': Joran, the secret former host of the Dax symbiont, whilst always a murderer and presented as psychologically unstable, in his origin "[[Recap/StarTrekDeepSpaceNineS03E04Equilibrium Equilibrium]]" was a regular killer with only one victim, someone he had a motive to kill. In all his later appearances he has more victims and is full-blown deranged, with even Quark somehow knowing it, to the point that Ezri summons him to help her get an insight into the mind of a psycho when there is a SerialKiller loose on the station.

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** ''Series/StarTrekDeepSpaceNine'': ''Series/StarTrekDeepSpaceNine'':
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Joran, the secret former host of the Dax symbiont, whilst always a murderer and presented as psychologically unstable, in his origin "[[Recap/StarTrekDeepSpaceNineS03E04Equilibrium Equilibrium]]" was a regular killer with only one victim, someone he had a motive to kill. In all his later appearances he has more victims and is full-blown deranged, with even Quark somehow knowing it, to the point that Ezri summons him to help her get an insight into the mind of a psycho when there is a SerialKiller loose on the station.station.
*** During season 4, the Klingon chancellor Gowron starts a war with Cardassia, convinced that they've undergone a Dominion-engineered coup, and then starts a simultaneous war with the Federation when they refuse to support him. In the season 4 finale, "Broken Link", Odo joins the Great Link and learns that Gowron has been replaced by a Changeling impostor. So, season 5's premiere episode, "Apocalypse Rising" has Sisko and several officers, including Odo, infiltrating a Klingon space station to expose Gowron as an impostor. But Odo discovers that Gowron's military advisor, General Martok, is, in fact, the true changeling impostor, and the Martok changeling gets killed, realizing the Dominion wanted to turn the Klingons and Federation against one another so that they'd both be too weak to defeat them. Later that season, [[TheRealRemingtonSteele Worf and Garak discover that the true Martok is alive in a Dominion prison camp]], who's rescued and eventually becomes Worf's blood brother [[spoiler:and chancellor after Worf defeats Gowron in combat]].
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** ''Film/StarTrek2009'': Nero is a Romulan miner driven mad by Romulus's destruction from a supernova, who tries to kill Spock Prime, whom he blames, along with the Federation for leaving his people to die, in a fit of rage and despair over the destruction of his homeworld, only to be dragged through a singularity over a hundred years into the past. Instead of realizing that he has a chance to save Romulus, he instead comes out of the rift swinging, destroying the ''Kelvin'' before retreating to search for Spock Prime, stewing in his hatred for twenty-five years so he can inflict the same pain on him, culminating with destroying the planet Vulcan. Later, ''Series/StarTrekPicard'' revealed that the Federation really did leave the Romulans to die, a decision that disgusted now-Admiral Picard so much that he resigned from Starfleet. Meaning Nero's hatred, though [[MisplacedRetribution seriously misplaced]], isn't unjustified.

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** ''Film/StarTrek2009'': Nero is a Romulan miner driven mad by Romulus's destruction from a supernova, who tries to kill Spock Prime, whom he blames, along with the Federation Federation, for leaving his people to die, in a fit of rage and despair over the destruction of his homeworld, only to be dragged through a singularity over a hundred years into the past. Instead of realizing that he has a chance to save Romulus, he instead comes out of the rift swinging, destroying the ''Kelvin'' before retreating to search for Spock Prime, stewing in his hatred for twenty-five years so he can inflict the same pain on him, culminating with destroying the planet Vulcan. Later, ''Series/StarTrekPicard'' revealed that the Federation really did leave the Romulans to die, a decision that disgusted now-Admiral Picard so much that he resigned from Starfleet. Meaning Nero's hatred, though [[MisplacedRetribution seriously misplaced]], isn't unjustified.

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* ''Film/StarTrekIntoDarkness'': Khan Noonien Singh is accused by Spock of having intended eugenics-motivated genocide on all those he considered inferior during his reign. This contradicts his presentation as a BenevolentDictator in his introduction in "[[Recap/StarTrekS1E22SpaceSeed Space Seed]]", with it being stated that under his rule there were no mass killings and no wars that weren't started by other parties, his status even being a plot point as it causes the crew of the Enterprise to underestimate how ruthless and power-hungry Khan really is. That the events take place in an AlternateTimeline should [[NonSequiturCausality have no effect on this]] as Khan's time was centuries before the departure point.

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** ''Film/StarTrek2009'': Nero is a Romulan miner driven mad by Romulus's destruction from a supernova, who tries to kill Spock Prime, whom he blames, along with the Federation for leaving his people to die, in a fit of rage and despair over the destruction of his homeworld, only to be dragged through a singularity over a hundred years into the past. Instead of realizing that he has a chance to save Romulus, he instead comes out of the rift swinging, destroying the ''Kelvin'' before retreating to search for Spock Prime, stewing in his hatred for twenty-five years so he can inflict the same pain on him, culminating with destroying the planet Vulcan. Later, ''Series/StarTrekPicard'' revealed that the Federation really did leave the Romulans to die, a decision that disgusted now-Admiral Picard so much that he resigned from Starfleet. Meaning Nero's hatred, though [[MisplacedRetribution seriously misplaced]], isn't unjustified.
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''Film/StarTrekIntoDarkness'': Khan Noonien Singh is accused by Spock of having intended eugenics-motivated genocide on all those he considered inferior during his reign. This contradicts his presentation as a BenevolentDictator in his introduction in "[[Recap/StarTrekS1E22SpaceSeed Space Seed]]", with it being stated that under his rule there were no mass killings and no wars that weren't started by other parties, his status even being a plot point as it causes the crew of the Enterprise to underestimate how ruthless and power-hungry Khan really is. That the events take place in an AlternateTimeline should [[NonSequiturCausality have no effect on this]] as Khan's time was centuries before the departure point.
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* ''Film/StarTrekIntoDarkness'': Khan Noonien Singh is accused by Spock of having intended eugenics-motivated genocide on all those he considered inferior during his reign. This contradicts his presentation as a benevolent dictator in his introduction in "[[Recap/StarTrekS1E22SpaceSeed Space Seed]]", with it being stated that under his rule there were no mass killings and no wars that weren't started by other parties, his status even being a plot point as it causes the crew of the Enterprise to underestimate how ruthless and power-hungry Khan really is. That the events take place in an AlternateTimeline should [[NonSequiturCausality have no effect on this]] as Khan's time was centuries before the departure point.

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* ''Film/StarTrekIntoDarkness'': Khan Noonien Singh is accused by Spock of having intended eugenics-motivated genocide on all those he considered inferior during his reign. This contradicts his presentation as a benevolent dictator BenevolentDictator in his introduction in "[[Recap/StarTrekS1E22SpaceSeed Space Seed]]", with it being stated that under his rule there were no mass killings and no wars that weren't started by other parties, his status even being a plot point as it causes the crew of the Enterprise to underestimate how ruthless and power-hungry Khan really is. That the events take place in an AlternateTimeline should [[NonSequiturCausality have no effect on this]] as Khan's time was centuries before the departure point.
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* ''Franchise/{{Saw}}'': Zig-zagged with John Kramer. In the first three films up to his death, he was consistently depicted as a fearsome yet professional mastermind who abducted people who had done something "wrong" but relatively light in their life, taunted or showed notable sadism about their struggles and (almost always) incoming fates, and wasn't above putting victims' relatives and children in harm's way. What was described of his backstory did little to garner him sympathy. Starting with the flashbacks he appears in from ''Film/SawIV'' onwards, while his previous acts and events are still acknowledged from time to time, he's portrayed in a more sympathetic light, with extensions to his backstory that {{retcon}} supplementary details from the ''Saw: Rebirth'' comic, and him appearing to have more genuinely good intentions as he's said or shown to be more restricted to outright criminals for the most part. In contrast, however, the present plots clarify (likely unintentionally on the producers' part) that there are a few moments where he's noticeably gotten even worse, having pettier targets and more KickTheDog acts in his posthumous schemes.

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* ''Franchise/{{Saw}}'': Zig-zagged with John Kramer. In the first three films up to his death, he was consistently depicted as a fearsome yet professional mastermind who abducted people who had done something "wrong" but relatively light in their life, taunted or showed notable sadism about their struggles and (almost always) incoming fates, and wasn't above putting victims' relatives and children in harm's way. What was described of his backstory did little to garner him sympathy. Starting with the flashbacks he appears in from ''Film/SawIV'' onwards, while his previous acts and events are still acknowledged from time to time, he's portrayed in a more sympathetic light, with extensions to his backstory that {{retcon}} supplementary details from the ''Saw: Rebirth'' comic, and him appearing to have more genuinely good intentions as he's said or shown to be more restricted to outright criminals for the most part. In contrast, however, the present plots clarify (likely unintentionally on the producers' part) that there are a few moments where he's noticeably gotten even worse, having pettier targets and more KickTheDog acts in his posthumous schemes.
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* ''Franchise/{{Saw}}'': Zig-zagged with John Kramer. In the first three films up to his death, he was consistently depicted as a fearsome yet professional mastermind who abducted people who had done something "wrong" but relatively light in their life, taunted or showed notable sadism about their struggles and (almost always) incoming fates, and wasn't above putting victims' relatives and children in harm's way. What was described of his backstory did little to garner him sympathy. Starting with the flashbacks he appears in from ''Film/SawIV'' onwards, while his previous acts and events are still acknowledged from time to time, he's portrayed in a more sympathetic light, with extensions to his backstory that {{retcon}} supplementary details from the ''Saw: Rebirth'' comic, and him appearing to have more genuinely good intentions as he's said or shown to be more restricted to outright criminals for the most part. In contrast, however, the present plots clarify (likely unintentionally on the producers' part) that there are a few moments where he's noticeably gotten even worse with pettier targets and more KickTheDog acts in his posthumous schemes.

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* ''Franchise/{{Saw}}'': Zig-zagged with John Kramer. In the first three films up to his death, he was consistently depicted as a fearsome yet professional mastermind who abducted people who had done something "wrong" but relatively light in their life, taunted or showed notable sadism about their struggles and (almost always) incoming fates, and wasn't above putting victims' relatives and children in harm's way. What was described of his backstory did little to garner him sympathy. Starting with the flashbacks he appears in from ''Film/SawIV'' onwards, while his previous acts and events are still acknowledged from time to time, he's portrayed in a more sympathetic light, with extensions to his backstory that {{retcon}} supplementary details from the ''Saw: Rebirth'' comic, and him appearing to have more genuinely good intentions as he's said or shown to be more restricted to outright criminals for the most part. In contrast, however, the present plots clarify (likely unintentionally on the producers' part) that there are a few moments where he's noticeably gotten even worse with worse, having pettier targets and more KickTheDog acts in his posthumous schemes.
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* ''Franchise/{{Saw}}'': Zig-zagged with John Kramer. In the first three films up to his death, he was consistently depicted as a fearsome yet professional mastermind who abducted people who had done something "wrong" but relatively light in their life, taunted or showed notable sadism about their struggles and (almost always) incoming fates, and wasn't above putting victims' relatives and children in harm's way. What was described of his backstory did little to garner him sympathy. Starting with the flashbacks he appears in from ''Film/SawIV'' onwards, while his previous acts and events are still acknowledged from time to time, he's portrayed in a more sympathetic light, with extensions to his backstory that {{retcon}} supplementary details from the ''Saw: Rebirth'' comic, and him appearing to have more genuinely good intentions as he's said or shown to be more restricted to outright criminals for the most part. In contrast, however, the present plots clarify (likely unintentionally on the producers' part) that there are a few moments where he's noticeably gotten even worse with pettier targets and more KickTheDog acts.

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* ''Franchise/{{Saw}}'': Zig-zagged with John Kramer. In the first three films up to his death, he was consistently depicted as a fearsome yet professional mastermind who abducted people who had done something "wrong" but relatively light in their life, taunted or showed notable sadism about their struggles and (almost always) incoming fates, and wasn't above putting victims' relatives and children in harm's way. What was described of his backstory did little to garner him sympathy. Starting with the flashbacks he appears in from ''Film/SawIV'' onwards, while his previous acts and events are still acknowledged from time to time, he's portrayed in a more sympathetic light, with extensions to his backstory that {{retcon}} supplementary details from the ''Saw: Rebirth'' comic, and him appearing to have more genuinely good intentions as he's said or shown to be more restricted to outright criminals for the most part. In contrast, however, the present plots clarify (likely unintentionally on the producers' part) that there are a few moments where he's noticeably gotten even worse with pettier targets and more KickTheDog acts.acts in his posthumous schemes.
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* ''Franchise/{{Saw}}'': Zig-zagged with John Kramer. In the first three films up to his death, he was consistently depicted as a fearsome yet professional mastermind who abducted people who had done something "wrong" but relatively light in their life, taunted or showed notable sadism about their struggles and (almost always) incoming fates, and wasn't above putting victims' relatives and children in harm's way. What was described of his backstory did little to garner him sympathy. Starting with the flashbacks he appears in from ''Film/SawIV'' onwards, while his previous acts and events are still acknowledged from time to time, he's portrayed in a more sympathetic light, with extensions to his backstory that {{retcon}} supplementary details from the ''Saw: Rebirth'' comic, and him appearing to have more genuinely good intentions as he's said or shown to be more restricted to outright criminals for the most part. In contrast, however, there are a few moments where he's noticeably gotten even worse with pettier targets and more KickTheDog acts.

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* ''Franchise/{{Saw}}'': Zig-zagged with John Kramer. In the first three films up to his death, he was consistently depicted as a fearsome yet professional mastermind who abducted people who had done something "wrong" but relatively light in their life, taunted or showed notable sadism about their struggles and (almost always) incoming fates, and wasn't above putting victims' relatives and children in harm's way. What was described of his backstory did little to garner him sympathy. Starting with the flashbacks he appears in from ''Film/SawIV'' onwards, while his previous acts and events are still acknowledged from time to time, he's portrayed in a more sympathetic light, with extensions to his backstory that {{retcon}} supplementary details from the ''Saw: Rebirth'' comic, and him appearing to have more genuinely good intentions as he's said or shown to be more restricted to outright criminals for the most part. In contrast, however, the present plots clarify (likely unintentionally on the producers' part) that there are a few moments where he's noticeably gotten even worse with pettier targets and more KickTheDog acts.
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* ''Franchise/{{Saw}}'': Zig-zagged with John Kramer. In the first three films up to his death, he was consistently depicted as a fearsome yet professional mastermind who abducted people who had done something "wrong" but relatively light in their life, taunted or showed notable sadism about their struggles and (almost always) incoming fates, and wasn't above putting victims' relatives and children in harm's way. What was described of his backstory did little to garner him sympathy. Starting with the flashbacks he appears in from ''Film/SawIV'' onwards, while his previous acts and events are still acknowledged from time to time, he's portrayed in a more sympathetic light, with extensions to his backstory that {{retcon}} supplementary details from the ''Saw: Rebirth'' comic, and him appearing to have more genuinely good intentions as he's said or shown to be more restricted to outright criminals for the most part. In contrast, however, there are a few moments where he's noticeably gotten even worse with pettier targets and more KickTheDog acts.
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* ''WesternAnimation/TheAmazingWorldOfGumball'': In "[[Recap/TheAmazingWorldOfGumballS5E5TheChoices The Choices]]", Nicole's parents appear to be straight up AbusiveParents with no redeeming qualities. Mary, in particular, seems to relish her daughter's success for selfish reasons. It's also {{implied}} they [[IHaveNoSon disown Nicole]] for getting together with Richard. However, in "[[Recap/TheAmazingWorldOfGumballS6E16TheParents The Parents]]", they come off more as ParentsAsPeople, as it's shown that they [[WellIntentionedExtremist pushed Nicole because they wanted the best for her]]. It's also revealed that they ''did'' try to go to Nicole's wedding, but they got the directions wrong. They also actually tried to contact their daughter, to no avail.

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* ''WesternAnimation/TheAmazingWorldOfGumball'': In "[[Recap/TheAmazingWorldOfGumballS5E5TheChoices The Choices]]", Nicole's parents appear to be straight up AbusiveParents with no redeeming qualities. Mary, in particular, seems to relish her daughter's success for selfish reasons. It's also {{implied}} they [[IHaveNoSon disown Nicole]] for getting together with Richard.Richard and refuse to attend their wedding. However, in "[[Recap/TheAmazingWorldOfGumballS6E16TheParents The Parents]]", they come off more as ParentsAsPeople, as it's shown that they [[WellIntentionedExtremist pushed Nicole because they wanted the best for her]]. It's also revealed that they ''did'' try to go to Nicole's wedding, but they got the directions wrong. They also actually tried to contact their daughter, to no avail. The episode ultimately ends with them reconciling.
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* ''Franchise/StarWars'': The Sequel Trilogy does this with Ben Solo, aka [[DarthVaderClone Kylo Ren]]. ''Film/TheForceAwakens'' states that Ben's fall to the Dark Side involved him attacking his teacher Luke Skywalker, and leading the Knights of Ren in slaughtering all of Luke's other students. Then ''Film/TheLastJedi'' reveals his attack on Luke wasn't unprovoked. Luke had sensed the Dark Side within Ben and considered killing him just long enough to ignite his lightsaber, before thinking better and putting his weapon away--but that was still enough to make Ben think he was being attacked and lash out. (The movie mocks the idea that this sympathetic backstory absolves Ben of his later crimes. Upon learning about Ben's past, Rey becomes convinced she can redeem him, and this fails spectacularly.) Then the tie-in comics leading up to the release of ''Film/TheRiseOfSkywalker'' further absolved Ben Solo by revealing he didn't actually kill Luke's other students. The Knights of Ren did that without Ben's input, aided by a sudden thunderstorm (implied to be caused by Supreme Leader Snoke). Presumably, this was done to make Ben's actual for-real redemption at the film's end more palatable to audiences.

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* ''Franchise/StarWars'': The Sequel Trilogy does this with Ben Solo, aka [[DarthVaderClone Kylo Ren]]. ''Film/TheForceAwakens'' states that Ben's fall to the Dark Side involved him attacking his teacher Luke Skywalker, and leading the Knights of Ren in slaughtering all of Luke's other students. Then ''Film/TheLastJedi'' reveals his attack on Luke wasn't unprovoked. Luke had sensed the Dark Side within Ben and considered killing him just long enough to ignite his lightsaber, before thinking better and putting lowering his weapon away--but weapon--but that was still enough to make Ben think he was being attacked and lash out. (The movie mocks the idea that this sympathetic backstory absolves Ben of his later crimes. Upon learning about Ben's past, Rey becomes convinced she can redeem him, and this fails spectacularly.) Then the tie-in comics leading up to the release of ''Film/TheRiseOfSkywalker'' further absolved Ben Solo by revealing he didn't actually kill Luke's other students. The Knights of Ren did that without Ben's input, aided by a sudden thunderstorm (implied to be caused by Supreme Leader Snoke). Presumably, this was done to make Ben's actual for-real redemption at the film's end more palatable to audiences.
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* ''WesternAnimation/TheAmazingWorldOfGumball'': In "[[Recap/TheAmazingWorldOfGumballS5E5TheChoices The Choices]]", Nicole's parents appear to be straight up AbusiveParents with no redeeming qualities. Mary, in particular, seems to relish her daughter's success for selfish reasons. It's also {{implied}} they [[IHaveNoSon disown Nicole]] for getting together with Richard. However, in "[[TheAmazingWorldOfGumballS6E16TheParents The Parents]]", they come off more as ParentsAsPeople, as it's shown that they [[WellIntentionedExtremist pushed Nicole because they wanted the best for her]]. It's also revealed that they ''did'' try to go to Nicole's wedding, but they got the directions wrong. They also actually tried to contact their daughter, to no avail.

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* ''WesternAnimation/TheAmazingWorldOfGumball'': In "[[Recap/TheAmazingWorldOfGumballS5E5TheChoices The Choices]]", Nicole's parents appear to be straight up AbusiveParents with no redeeming qualities. Mary, in particular, seems to relish her daughter's success for selfish reasons. It's also {{implied}} they [[IHaveNoSon disown Nicole]] for getting together with Richard. However, in "[[TheAmazingWorldOfGumballS6E16TheParents "[[Recap/TheAmazingWorldOfGumballS6E16TheParents The Parents]]", they come off more as ParentsAsPeople, as it's shown that they [[WellIntentionedExtremist pushed Nicole because they wanted the best for her]]. It's also revealed that they ''did'' try to go to Nicole's wedding, but they got the directions wrong. They also actually tried to contact their daughter, to no avail.
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* ''Franchise/JusticeLeagueOfAmerica'': Whilst Dr. Light was always a supervillain (including being a literal case of LightIsNotGood, given not just his power, but the fact [[StevenUlyssesPerhero he's a scientist named "Arthur Light"]]), in an attempt to explain him going from a dangerous criminal to an idiotic fool ''ComicBook/IdentityCrisis'' retconned him to have originally been a monstrous SerialRapist and that his VillainDecay was the result InUniverse of a group of Leaguers' effectively lobotomising him in response to him raping [[ComicBook/ElongatedMan Sue Dinby]].

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* ''Franchise/JusticeLeagueOfAmerica'': Whilst Dr. Light was always a supervillain (including being a literal case of LightIsNotGood, given not just his power, but the fact [[StevenUlyssesPerhero he's a scientist named "Arthur Light"]]), in an attempt to explain him going from a dangerous criminal to an idiotic fool ''ComicBook/IdentityCrisis'' retconned him to have originally been a monstrous SerialRapist and that his VillainDecay was the result InUniverse of a group of Leaguers' effectively lobotomising him in response to him raping [[ComicBook/ElongatedMan Sue Dinby]].Dibny]].
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* ''Series/GeneralHospital'': Soap operas are infamous for their never-ending character retcons, but Franco on ''General Hospital'' is a particularly egregious example. Originally created as a means for James Franco (the actor) to have some fun with daytime TV, Franco (the character) was introduced as a sadistic serial killer gleefully messing with peoples' heads when he wasn't messing with their lives and bodies. After the character supposedly died and Franco (the actor) had had his fun, the writers decided to revive Franco (the character) as a series regular worthy of some audience sympathy. To that end, a lot of his supposed crimes were revealed to have been either acts of defense or simply not happened. The rest were explained away by a brain tumor, showing Franco really wasn't so evil and sadistic after all!

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* ''Series/GeneralHospital'': Soap operas are infamous for their never-ending character retcons, but Franco on ''General Hospital'' is a particularly egregious example. Originally created as a means for James Franco (the actor) to have some fun with daytime TV, Franco (the character) was introduced as a sadistic serial killer gleefully messing with peoples' heads when he wasn't messing with their lives and bodies. After the character supposedly died and Franco (the actor) had had his fun, the writers decided to revive Franco (the character) as a series regular worthy of some audience sympathy. To that end, a lot of his supposed crimes were revealed to have been either been acts of defense or simply not happened. The rest were explained away by a brain tumor, showing Franco really wasn't so evil and sadistic after all!
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* ''Series/GeneralHospital'': Soap operas are infamous for their never-ending character retcons, but Franco on ''General Hospital'' is a particularly egregious example. Originally created as a means for James Franco (the actor) to have some fun with daytime TV, Franco (the character) was introduced as a sadistic serial killer gleefully messing with peoples' heads when he wasn't messing with their lives and bodies. After the character supposedly died and Franco (the actor) had had his fun, the writers decided to revive Franco (the character) as a series regular worthy of some audience sympathy. To that end, a lot of his supposed crimes were revealed to have been either acts of defense or simply not happened. The rest were explained away by a brain tumor, showing Franco really wasn't so evil and sadistic after all!
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** {{Zigzagged}} with Ashnard. ''VideoGame/FireEmblemPathOfRadiance'' implies that he instigated the Serenes Massacre as part of his plan to get [[ArtifactOfDoom Lehran's Medallion]] and a Heron who could release the goddess within. The sequel, ''VideoGame/FireEmblemRadiantDawn'' reveals that [[NotMeThisTime it was actually the Begnion Senate who orchestrated the massacre]] (which is more understandable, given their already established FantasticRacism and Heron slave trade). However, ''Radiant Dawn'' also establishes that the "plague" Ashnard engineered to [[KlingonPromotion get rid of everyone else in line for the throne]] was via Blood Pact, meaning a ''lot'' of innocents must have died in the process, far more than previously implied. It ''also'' establishes he was an AbusiveParent who married a Dragon Laguz in hopes their child would be powerful, and when the child seemed normal he abandoned them both. So while his heinousness was downplayed for one event, it was ramped up in other ways.

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** {{Zigzagged}} with Ashnard. ''VideoGame/FireEmblemPathOfRadiance'' implies that he instigated the Serenes Massacre as part of his plan to get [[ArtifactOfDoom Lehran's Medallion]] and a Heron who could release the goddess within. The sequel, ''VideoGame/FireEmblemRadiantDawn'' reveals that [[NotMeThisTime it was actually the Begnion Senate who orchestrated the massacre]] (which is more understandable, given their already established FantasticRacism and Heron slave trade). However, ''Radiant Dawn'' also establishes that the "plague" Ashnard engineered to [[KlingonPromotion get rid of everyone else in line for the throne]] was via Blood Pact, meaning a ''lot'' of innocents must have died in the process, far more than previously implied. It ''also'' establishes he was an AbusiveParent {{Abusive Parent|s}} who married a Dragon Laguz in hopes their child would be powerful, and when the child seemed normal he abandoned them both. So while his heinousness was downplayed for one event, it was ramped up in other ways.
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Can be linked to or an extreme example of {{Flanderisation}}, though it doesn't need to be (and unlike it there is no gradual process of change).

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** [[MadScientist Warren Mears]]. When he was introduced in season 5, he was an awkward nerd who made a robot girlfriend to cope with his loneliness, then ditched her upon finding a real girl. He was, at worst, obnoxious, cowardly, and a bit misogynistic. In season 6, however, he reappears and takes a deep dive into evil, being the worst member of [[EvilNerd the Trio]] and a [[CardCarryingVillain self-proclaimed Supervillain]] who becomes [[spoiler:an attempted rapist, nearly kills Buffy and ''actually'' kills Tara.]] No one ever remarks on his change, with Buffy treating him suddenly trying to kill her as not surprising in the slightest. Originally the writers had intended for him to be a lackey to [[TheSociopath Tucker Wells]], who unlike him (and Jonathan) had been truly malevolent in their introduction, but [[RealLifeWritesThePlot Well's actor was unable to reprise his role]] leading to Warren being drastically rewritten.

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** [[MadScientist Warren Mears]]. When he was introduced in season 5, he was an awkward nerd who made a robot girlfriend to cope with his loneliness, then ditched her upon finding a real girl. He was, at worst, obnoxious, cowardly, and a bit misogynistic. In season 6, however, he reappears and takes a deep dive into evil, being the worst member of [[EvilNerd the Trio]] and a [[CardCarryingVillain self-proclaimed Supervillain]] who becomes [[spoiler:an attempted rapist, nearly kills Buffy and ''actually'' kills Tara.]] No one ever remarks on his change, with Buffy treating him suddenly trying to kill her as not surprising in the slightest. Originally the writers had intended for him to be a lackey to [[TheSociopath Tucker Wells]], who unlike him (and Jonathan) had been truly malevolent in their introduction, his introductory episode, but [[RealLifeWritesThePlot Well's Tucker's actor was unable to reprise his role]] leading to Warren being drastically rewritten.rewritten as the leader and Tucker's previously unseen brother Andrew becoming the third member of the group.

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* ''Franchise/{{Metroid}}'':
** Ridley started as one of the many SpacePirates bosses of the original games, and this remained unchanged for a time. There wasn't any connection between him and Samus. However, due partially to his popularity as his role expanded two adaptations rewrote him to give him a [[YouKilledMyFather much more personal connection]]:
** ''VideoGame/MetroidFusion'': The Japanese exclusive child mode was the first to show Ridley leading the Space Pirate raid that destroyed Samus' home planet and leaving her an orphan.
** ''Manga/MetroidManga'': Building upon the first example specifically has Ridley murdering Samus's mother, and was the cause of her father's sacrifice. Not only that, many years later Ridley kills Gray Voice, Samus's adoptive parent. The manga is stated as canon, thus later installations such as ''Videogame/MetroidOtherM'' and ''Videogame/SuperSmashBrosUltimate'' would openly acknowledge Ridley as responsible for leaving Samus an orphan and killing her parents, giving them [[ItsPersonal a deep connection]] for their enmity.
--->'''[[Videogame/KidIcarus Pit]]''': So what's the story behind him and Samus?
--->'''Palutena''': Ridley killed Samus's parents when she was young.
--->'''Pit:''' [[{{Understatement}} That's messed up!]]

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* ''Franchise/{{Metroid}}'':
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''Franchise/{{Metroid}}'': Ridley started as one of the many SpacePirates bosses of the original games, and this remained unchanged for a time. There wasn't any connection between him and Samus. However, due partially to his popularity as his role expanded two adaptations rewrote him to give him a [[YouKilledMyFather much more personal connection]]:
** ''VideoGame/MetroidFusion'': The Japanese exclusive child mode was the first to show Ridley leading the Space Pirate raid that destroyed Samus' home planet and leaving left her an orphan.
** ''Manga/MetroidManga'': Building upon the first example example, it specifically has Ridley murdering Samus's mother, and was being the cause of her father's sacrifice. Not only that, many years later Ridley kills Gray Voice, Samus's adoptive parent. The manga is stated as canon, thus later installations such as ''Videogame/MetroidOtherM'' and ''Videogame/SuperSmashBrosUltimate'' would openly acknowledge Ridley as responsible for leaving Samus an orphan and killing her parents, giving them [[ItsPersonal a deep connection]] for their enmity.
--->'''[[Videogame/KidIcarus Pit]]''': So what's the story behind him and Samus?
--->'''Palutena''':
Samus?\\
'''Palutena''':
Ridley killed Samus's parents when she was young.
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young.\\
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[[{{Understatement}} That's messed up!]]
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* ''Literature/LandOfOz'': In the [[Literature/TheMarvelousLandOfOz second book]], it's revealed the Wizard overthrew King Pastoria in order to rule Oz and gave away the infant Princess Ozma to an old sorceress. When he reappears in [[Literature/DorothyAndTheWizardInOz the fourth book]], it was retconned such that it was the Wicked Witches who did the evil deeds and all the Wizard did was rule Oz in the royal family's absence.

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* ''Literature/LandOfOz'': In the [[Literature/TheMarvelousLandOfOz second book]], it's revealed the Wizard overthrew King Pastoria in order to rule Oz and gave away the infant Princess Ozma to an old sorceress. When he reappears in [[Literature/DorothyAndTheWizardInOz the fourth book]], it was retconned such that it was the Wicked Witches who did the evil deeds and all the Wizard did was rule Oz in the royal family's absence. This inconsistency was a long-standing mystery in the Oz Books; Hugh Pendexter III, in his short story, "Oz and the Three Witches" (published in Oz-Story 6, by Hungry Tiger Press, in 2000) manages to come up with a reasonable explanation.

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* ''ComicBook/StarWarsTheRiseOfKyloRen'': In previous installments, including ''Film/TheForceAwakens'' and ''Film/TheLastJedi'', it's stated that the night Kylo Ren fell to the Dark Side, he killed most of Luke Skywalker's other apprentices and left with the others, torching the Jedi Temple in the process. This comic prequel establishes that Kylo unintentionally [[AmbiguousSituation kinda maybe]] burnt down the temple [[note]] the incident is so vague that many readers thought Snoke [[spoiler:or Palpatine]] actually destroyed the temple, though according to WordOfSaintPaul this wasn't the intended interpretation [[/note]] and ''accidentally'' killed the students save for three; out of these apprentices he only murders one directly (one he killed accidentally in self-defense, the other was murdered by somebody else). Presumably, this was to cast Kylo in a better light to set up [[spoiler:his HeelFaceTurn]] in ''Film/TheRiseOfSkywalker''.

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* ''ComicBook/StarWarsTheRiseOfKyloRen'': In previous installments, including ''Film/TheForceAwakens'' and ''Film/TheLastJedi'', it's stated that the night Kylo Ren fell to the Dark Side, he killed most of Luke Skywalker's other apprentices and left with the others, torching the Jedi Temple in the process. This comic prequel establishes that Kylo unintentionally [[AmbiguousSituation kinda maybe]] burnt down the temple [[note]] the incident is so vague that many readers thought Snoke [[spoiler:or Palpatine]] actually destroyed the temple, though according to WordOfSaintPaul this wasn't the intended interpretation [[/note]] and ''accidentally'' killed the students save for three; out of these apprentices he only murders one directly (one he killed accidentally in self-defense, the other was murdered by somebody else). Presumably, this was to cast Kylo in a better light to set up [[spoiler:his HeelFaceTurn]] in ''Film/TheRiseOfSkywalker''.



* ''Series/BattlestarGalactica2003'': Cavil is introduced at the end of season two as an AffablyEvil Cylon who whilst still a murderous KnightTemplar (like all Cylons), still comes across as friendly and even helps Tyrol come to terms with his psychological issues whilst undercover as a human. Come season three, he's now a vile, sociopathic piece of work who is suddenly torturing people and ordering mass executions at the drop of a hat, which gets to the point that [[EvenEvilHasStandards other Cylons call him out]] with no one remarking on this drastic change. Season four takes it even further by introducing major retcons that make him the true mastermind behind the Cylons' genocidal attack on humans and generally [[KickTheDog Kicks The Dog]] as much as possible, doing utterly horrific things like gouging out his father's eye and then raping his mother out of spite.

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* ''Series/BattlestarGalactica2003'': ''Series/{{Battlestar Galactica|2003}}'': Cavil is introduced at the end of season two as an AffablyEvil Cylon who whilst still a murderous KnightTemplar (like all Cylons), still comes across as friendly and even helps Tyrol come to terms with his psychological issues whilst undercover as a human. Come season three, he's now a vile, sociopathic piece of work who is suddenly torturing people and ordering mass executions at the drop of a hat, which gets to the point that [[EvenEvilHasStandards other Cylons call him out]] with no one remarking on this drastic change. Season four takes it even further by introducing major retcons that make him the true mastermind behind the Cylons' genocidal attack on humans and generally [[KickTheDog Kicks The Dog]] as much as possible, doing utterly horrific things like gouging out his father's eye and then raping his mother out of spite.



** [[Recap/SupernaturalS03E02TheKidsAreAlright "The Kids Are Alright"]]: Upon being prompted to investigate them by Ruby, Sam discovers that [[DemonLordsAndArchDevils Azazel]] had his [[FamilyExtermination mother's family, the Campbells, massacred]] to the point where he can't find any members who are still alive. Come season 6 and suddenly there are quite a lot of living Campbells, with them being able to pull together at least a dozen or so members, and at least two being specially stated to be the brothers' third cousins. At no point does either brother ask how they survived or even bring up the massacre.
** [[Recap/SupernaturalS04E02AreYouThereGodItsMeDeanWinchester "Are You There God? It's Me Dean Winchester"]]: The VengefulGhost of [[WellIntentionedExtremist Victor Henriksen]] claims that Lilith slowly tortured him and all the other innocent officers to death after Sam and Dean left them in the police station, especially mentioning one poor woman she brutally flayed before his eyes. However, whilst very much in character for [[{{Sadist}} Lilith]], when we saw the event play out in the previous seasons [[Recap/SupernaturalS03E12JusInBello "Jus In Bello"]], she simply blew up the building they were in, killing everyone instantly.

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** [[Recap/SupernaturalS03E02TheKidsAreAlright "The "[[Recap/SupernaturalS03E02TheKidsAreAlright The Kids Are Alright"]]: Alright]]": Upon being prompted to investigate them by Ruby, Sam discovers that [[DemonLordsAndArchDevils Azazel]] had his [[FamilyExtermination mother's family, the Campbells, massacred]] to the point where he can't find any members who are still alive. Come season 6 and suddenly there are quite a lot of living Campbells, with them being able to pull together at least a dozen or so members, and at least two being specially stated to be the brothers' third cousins. At no point does either brother ask how they survived or even bring up the massacre.
** [[Recap/SupernaturalS04E02AreYouThereGodItsMeDeanWinchester "Are "[[Recap/SupernaturalS04E02AreYouThereGodItsMeDeanWinchester Are You There God? It's Me Me, Dean Winchester"]]: Winchester]]": The VengefulGhost of [[WellIntentionedExtremist Victor Henriksen]] claims that Lilith slowly tortured him and all the other innocent officers to death after Sam and Dean left them in the police station, especially mentioning one poor woman she brutally flayed before his eyes. However, whilst very much in character for [[{{Sadist}} Lilith]], when we saw the event play out in the previous seasons [[Recap/SupernaturalS03E12JusInBello "Jus "[[Recap/SupernaturalS03E12JusInBello Jus In Bello"]], Bello]]", she simply blew up the building they were in, killing everyone instantly.



* ''WesternAnimation/TheAmazingWorldOfGumball'': In [[Recap/TheAmazingWorldOfGumballS5E5TheChoices "The Choices"]], Nicole's parents appear to be straight up AbusiveParents with no redeeming qualities. Mary, in particular, seems to relish her daughter's success for selfish reasons. It's also {{implied}} they [[IHaveNoSon disown Nicole]] for getting together with Richard. However, in [[TheAmazingWorldOfGumballS6E16TheParents "The Parents"]], they come off more as ParentsAsPeople, as it's shown that they [[WellIntentionedExtremist pushed Nicole because they wanted the best for her]]. It's also revealed that they ''did'' try to go to Nicole's wedding, but they got the directions wrong. They also actually tried to contact their daughter, to no avail.
* ''WesternAnimation/Castlevania2017'': When she's first depicted in the show's third season, [[FemmeFatale Lenore]], while initially seeming to be ALighterShadeOfBlack proceeds to [[spoiler:gaslight, dehumanize and abuse]] her prisoner Hector, [[spoiler:even having dubiously consensual sex with him and enslaving him via magic during the act before going on to declare that she will make him her full-time SexSlave.]] The fourth season, however, has Lenore and Hector on friendly terms, with Lenore being a SympatheticSlaveowner and the two of them seem to get along just fine. [[spoiler:The SexSlave bit is of particular note, as Hector seems not to have been abused and is in fact happy to make innuendos toward Lenore, implying that Lenore was bluffing.]] The fourth season ultimately [[{{Pun}} defangs]] Lenore's previously vile nature so much that [[spoiler:Hector saves her life from Isaac's invasion and she ends up killing herself in an AlasPoorVillain moment.]]

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* ''WesternAnimation/TheAmazingWorldOfGumball'': In [[Recap/TheAmazingWorldOfGumballS5E5TheChoices "The Choices"]], "[[Recap/TheAmazingWorldOfGumballS5E5TheChoices The Choices]]", Nicole's parents appear to be straight up AbusiveParents with no redeeming qualities. Mary, in particular, seems to relish her daughter's success for selfish reasons. It's also {{implied}} they [[IHaveNoSon disown Nicole]] for getting together with Richard. However, in [[TheAmazingWorldOfGumballS6E16TheParents "The Parents"]], "[[TheAmazingWorldOfGumballS6E16TheParents The Parents]]", they come off more as ParentsAsPeople, as it's shown that they [[WellIntentionedExtremist pushed Nicole because they wanted the best for her]]. It's also revealed that they ''did'' try to go to Nicole's wedding, but they got the directions wrong. They also actually tried to contact their daughter, to no avail.
* ''WesternAnimation/Castlevania2017'': ''WesternAnimation/{{Castlevania|2017}}'': When she's first depicted in the show's third season, [[FemmeFatale Lenore]], while initially seeming to be ALighterShadeOfBlack proceeds to [[spoiler:gaslight, dehumanize and abuse]] her prisoner Hector, [[spoiler:even having dubiously consensual sex with him and enslaving him via magic during the act before going on to declare that she will make him her full-time SexSlave.]] The fourth season, however, has Lenore and Hector on friendly terms, with Lenore being a SympatheticSlaveowner and the two of them seem to get along just fine. [[spoiler:The SexSlave bit is of particular note, as Hector seems not to have been abused and is in fact happy to make innuendos toward Lenore, implying that Lenore was bluffing.]] The fourth season ultimately [[{{Pun}} defangs]] Lenore's previously vile nature so much that [[spoiler:Hector saves her life from Isaac's invasion and she ends up killing herself in an AlasPoorVillain moment.]]



* ''WesternAnimation/StarWarsRebels'': In the season one episode [[Recap/StarWarsRebelsS1E01DroidsInDistress "Droids in Distress"]], Agent Kallus gloats to Zeb about how he took a bo-rifle (a weapon only wielded by the honor guard of Zeb's species, the Lasat) [[BattleTrophy from a Lasat he killed]], and that he was the one who gave the order for the Imperial forces to use the T-7 ion disruptors (weapons meant to take down starships) to decimate the population of Lasan. However, during an EnemyMine situation in the season two episode [[Recap/StarWarsRebelsS2E15TheHonorableOnes "The Honorable Ones"]], Kallus admits that he was given the bo-rifle after defeating its owner in combat (as per [[YouKillItYouBoughtIt Lasat tradition]]). It is also revealed that Kallus wasn't the one who gave the order to use the disruptors, and had only claimed credit to make Zeb angry.

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* ''WesternAnimation/StarWarsRebels'': In the season one episode [[Recap/StarWarsRebelsS1E01DroidsInDistress "Droids "[[Recap/StarWarsRebelsS1E01DroidsInDistress Droids in Distress"]], Distress]]", Agent Kallus gloats to Zeb about how he took a bo-rifle (a weapon only wielded by the honor guard of Zeb's species, the Lasat) [[BattleTrophy from a Lasat he killed]], and that he was the one who gave the order for the Imperial forces to use the T-7 ion disruptors (weapons meant to take down starships) to decimate the population of Lasan. However, during an EnemyMine situation in the season two episode [[Recap/StarWarsRebelsS2E15TheHonorableOnes "The "[[Recap/StarWarsRebelsS2E15TheHonorableOnes The Honorable Ones"]], Ones]]", Kallus admits that he was given the bo-rifle after defeating its owner in combat (as per [[YouKillItYouBoughtIt Lasat tradition]]). It is also revealed that Kallus wasn't the one who gave the order to use the disruptors, and had only claimed credit to make Zeb angry.
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** ''Series/StarTrekTheNextGeneration'': The Ferengi are an Inversion of the trope: they go through several versions of their villainy potential getting continually downgraded during the show's run, mostly due to initial plans for them to be the main antagonists of ST:TNG falling through.

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* ''WesternAnimation/TheAmazingWorldOfGumball'': In "The Choices", Nicole's parents appeared to be straight up AbusiveParents with no redeeming qualities. Mary in particular appeared to relish in their daughter's success for selfish reasons. They also appeared to [[IHaveNoSon disown Nicole]] for getting together with Richard. However, in "The Parents", they come off more as ParentsAsPeople, as it's shown that they [[WellIntentionedExtremist pushed Nicole because they wanted the best for her]]. It's also revealed that they ''did'' try to go to Nicole's wedding, but they got the directions wrong. They also actually tried to contact their daughter, to no avail.

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* ''WesternAnimation/TheAmazingWorldOfGumball'': In [[Recap/TheAmazingWorldOfGumballS5E5TheChoices "The Choices", Choices"]], Nicole's parents appeared appear to be straight up AbusiveParents with no redeeming qualities. Mary Mary, in particular appeared particular, seems to relish in their her daughter's success for selfish reasons. They It's also appeared to {{implied}} they [[IHaveNoSon disown Nicole]] for getting together with Richard. However, in [[TheAmazingWorldOfGumballS6E16TheParents "The Parents", Parents"]], they come off more as ParentsAsPeople, as it's shown that they [[WellIntentionedExtremist pushed Nicole because they wanted the best for her]]. It's also revealed that they ''did'' try to go to Nicole's wedding, but they got the directions wrong. They also actually tried to contact their daughter, to no avail.



* ''WesternAnimation/TheSimpsons'': Kamp Krusty as a whole undergoes this in "[[Recap/TheSimpsonsS28E15KampKrustier Kamp Krustier]]". In the original "[[Recap/TheSimpsonsS4E1KampKrusty Kamp Krusty]]", the campers were treated genuinely cruelly, being forced to eat gruel, sleep in freezing barren shacks and manufacture wallets in what Lisa described as "a Dickensian sweatshop", with Mr. Black, the camp's owner, being a CardCarryingVillain who revels in his awful treatment of the kids. In "Kamp Krustier", despite the premise being their traumatised by the experience, the camp's actual cruelty and slave labour are forgotten about and the kids' bad memories of it are reduced to FauxHorrific PokeThePoodle offences like having to watch a bad production of ''Film/TheParentTrap'' with the one seemingly genuine trauma [[spoiler:a kid drowning trying to escape, turning out to be a mistake]], while Mr. Black is nowhere to be seen and never mentioned. Also, Jimbo, Dolph, and Kearney are depicted as having taken part in the rebellion against the camp when in the original episode, they were the counsellors that the other kids were rebelling against following suffering their vicious abuse.
* ''WesternAnimation/StarWarsRebels'': In the season one episode "Droids in Distress", Agent Kallus gloats to Zeb about how he took a bo-rifle (a weapon only wielded by the honor guard of Zeb's species, the Lasat) [[BattleTrophy from a Lasat he killed]], and that he was the one who gave the order for the Imperial forces to use the T-7 ion disruptors (weapons meant to take down starships) to decimate the population of Lasan. However, during an EnemyMine situation in the season two episode "The Honorable Ones", Kallus admits that he was ''given'' the bo-rifle after defeating its owner in combat (as per [[YouKillItYouBoughtIt Lasat tradition]]). It is also revealed that Kallus wasn't the one who gave the order to use the disruptors, and had only claimed credit to make Zeb angry.

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* ''WesternAnimation/TheSimpsons'': Kamp Krusty as a whole undergoes this in "[[Recap/TheSimpsonsS28E15KampKrustier Kamp Krustier]]". In the original "[[Recap/TheSimpsonsS4E1KampKrusty Kamp Krusty]]", the campers were treated genuinely cruelly, being forced to eat gruel, sleep in freezing barren shacks and manufacture wallets in what Lisa described as "a Dickensian sweatshop", with Mr. Black, the camp's owner, being a CardCarryingVillain who revels in his awful treatment of the kids. In "Kamp Krustier", despite the premise being their them being traumatised by the experience, the camp's actual cruelty and slave labour are forgotten about and the kids' bad memories of it are reduced to FauxHorrific PokeThePoodle offences like having to watch a bad production of ''Film/TheParentTrap'' with the one seemingly genuine trauma [[spoiler:a kid drowning trying to escape, turning out to be a mistake]], while Mr. Black is nowhere to be seen and never mentioned. Also, Jimbo, Dolph, and Kearney are depicted as having taken part in the rebellion against the camp when in the original episode, they were the counsellors that the other kids were rebelling against following suffering their vicious abuse.
* ''WesternAnimation/StarWarsRebels'': In the season one episode [[Recap/StarWarsRebelsS1E01DroidsInDistress "Droids in Distress", Distress"]], Agent Kallus gloats to Zeb about how he took a bo-rifle (a weapon only wielded by the honor guard of Zeb's species, the Lasat) [[BattleTrophy from a Lasat he killed]], and that he was the one who gave the order for the Imperial forces to use the T-7 ion disruptors (weapons meant to take down starships) to decimate the population of Lasan. However, during an EnemyMine situation in the season two episode [[Recap/StarWarsRebelsS2E15TheHonorableOnes "The Honorable Ones", Ones"]], Kallus admits that he was ''given'' given the bo-rifle after defeating its owner in combat (as per [[YouKillItYouBoughtIt Lasat tradition]]). It is also revealed that Kallus wasn't the one who gave the order to use the disruptors, and had only claimed credit to make Zeb angry.

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