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* ''Film/{{Priest}}'' is an example of badass church priests. The church is pretty much the controlling government and the only people shown are the downtrodden, voluntary exiles, the priests, cops controlled by the church and the controlling priests (magisters). (Also, the {{Manhwa}} it is based off of).

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* ''Film/{{Priest}}'' ''Film/{{Priest 2011}}'' is an example of badass church priests. The church is pretty much the controlling government and the only people shown are the downtrodden, voluntary exiles, the priests, cops controlled by the church and the controlling priests (magisters). (Also, the {{Manhwa}} it is based off of).
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Enter FantasticCatholicism, wherein creators spice up TheChurch with fantastic elements, making it out to be the coolest, most badass organization around. Most typical of {{Fantasy}}, ScienceFiction and AlternateHistory, this trope applies the RuleOfCool to that fusty old Catholic Church, coming out with a Holy Grail full of awesome. See also ChristianityIsCatholic for when it's not ''explicitly'' stated to be Catholic, but uses elements unique to Catholicism anyways. Compare CrystalDragonJesus, where a fantasy universe features a religion with superficially Christian ([[ChristianityIsCatholic usually Catholic]]) trappings.

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Enter FantasticCatholicism, wherein creators spice up TheChurch with fantastic elements, making it out to be the coolest, most badass organization around. Most typical of {{Fantasy}}, ScienceFiction and AlternateHistory, this trope applies the RuleOfCool to that fusty old Catholic Church, coming out with a Holy Grail full of awesome. See also ChristianityIsCatholic for when it's not ''explicitly'' stated to be Catholic, but uses elements unique to Catholicism anyways. Compare CrystalDragonJesus, where a fantasy universe features a religion with superficially Christian ([[ChristianityIsCatholic usually Catholic]]) trappings.
trappings. Supertrope to AnimeCatholicism.
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* The Church of Abel in ''TabletopGame/{{Anima Beyond Fantasy}}'', even if its central figure is a CrystalDragonJesus, has many elements of both real Catholicism and fantastic one as described in this trope, such as organization, dogma (parts of it at least), prosecution of the supernatural, use of magic -considered a gift of God-, and being the most powerful (visible) organization of the game's setting.

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* The Church of Abel in ''TabletopGame/{{Anima Beyond Fantasy}}'', even if its central figure is a CrystalDragonJesus, has many elements of both real Catholicism and fantastic one as described in this trope, such as organization, dogma (parts of it at least), prosecution of the supernatural, use of magic -considered a gift of God-, and being the most powerful (visible) organization of the game's setting. It has, too, some AnimeCatholicism mixed in.
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* The Church of Abel in ''TabletopGame/{{Anima Beyond Fantasy}}'', even if its central figure is a CrystalDragonJesus, has many elements of both real Catholicism and fantastic one as described in this trope, such as organization, dogma (parts of it at least), prosecution of the supernatural, use of magic -considered a gift of God-, and being the most powerful (visible) organization of the game's setting.
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** It depicts the Roman Catholic Church as including a secret society dedicated to fighting various supernatural nasties, as well three [[ThePaladin Knights of the Cross]] with [[CoolSword holy swords]] made using the nails from the Crucifixion and more or less confirmed to be {{Excalibur}}, [[Literature/TheSongOfRoland Durendal]], and the [[JapaneseMythology Kusanagi-no-Tsurugi]].

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** It depicts the Roman Catholic Church as including a secret society dedicated to fighting various supernatural nasties, as well three [[ThePaladin Knights of the Cross]] with [[CoolSword holy swords]] made using the nails from the Crucifixion and more or less confirmed to be {{Excalibur}}, [[Literature/TheSongOfRoland Durendal]], and the [[JapaneseMythology [[Myth/JapaneseMythology Kusanagi-no-Tsurugi]].
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* Brother Theo and his group of Cistercian monks working on BabylonFive are very tech savvy. This is an important plot point in several episodes as they help identify saboteurs and conduct espionage against the fascist EarthGov.
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* In the ''GlobalGuardiansPBEMUniverse'', the Order of Malta (a RealLife paramilitary order controlled by the Church) has been retasked into a Church-run team of superheroes who protect Vatican City (and by extension, Rome), and especially oppose any supernatural enemies of the Church, such as demons, vampires, and evil sorcerers.

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* In the ''GlobalGuardiansPBEMUniverse'', ''Roleplay/GlobalGuardiansPBEMUniverse'', the Order of Malta (a RealLife paramilitary order controlled by the Church) has been retasked into a Church-run team of superheroes who protect Vatican City (and by extension, Rome), and especially oppose any supernatural enemies of the Church, such as demons, vampires, and evil sorcerers.
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* The Iscariot Organization from Manga/{{Hellsing}} is a Catholic ChurchMilitant organization that hunts down vampires and unbelievers and is full of serious badasses, among them Father Alexander Anderson, who uses technology designed to regenerate wounds to put him on the level of the vampires he kills. Iscariot frequently clashes with the Protestant-based Hellsing Organization, a vampire-hunting organization which isn't above using undead to fight undead.

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* The Iscariot Organization from Manga/{{Hellsing}} ''Manga/{{Hellsing}}'' is a Catholic ChurchMilitant organization that hunts down vampires and unbelievers and is full of serious badasses, among them Father Alexander Anderson, who uses technology designed to regenerate wounds to put him on the level of the vampires he kills. Iscariot frequently clashes with the Protestant-based Hellsing Organization, a vampire-hunting organization which isn't above using undead to fight undead.

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-> Often the Church will fight and destroy all manner of unholy creatures (or creatures they have deemed as such), either overtly, or covertly in a MildlyMilitary sub-organization of the church. Demons, Vampires, Werewolves and ravenous spirits seem to be the most popular villains, but when the Church is fighting Fey creatures, witches and other things that are nice or cute, then it's a sign they are being portrayed as {{Well Intentioned Extremist}}s. See: ChurchMilitant.

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-> Often the Church will fight and destroy all manner of unholy creatures (or creatures they have deemed as such), either overtly, or covertly in a MildlyMilitary sub-organization of the church. Demons, Vampires, Werewolves and ravenous spirits seem to be the most popular villains, but when the Church is fighting Fey creatures, witches and other things that are nice or cute, then it's a sign they are being portrayed as {{Well Intentioned Extremist}}s.Extremist}}s or KnightTemplar types. See: ChurchMilitant.


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* The Iscariot Organization from Manga/{{Hellsing}} is a Catholic ChurchMilitant organization that hunts down vampires and unbelievers and is full of serious badasses, among them Father Alexander Anderson, who uses technology designed to regenerate wounds to put him on the level of the vampires he kills. Iscariot frequently clashes with the Protestant-based Hellsing Organization, a vampire-hunting organization which isn't above using undead to fight undead.
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Enter FantasticCatholicism, wherein creators spice up the TheChurch with fantastic elements, making it out to be the coolest, most badass organization around. Most typical of {{Fantasy}}, ScienceFiction and AlternateHistory, this trope applies the RuleOfCool to that fusty old Catholic Church, coming out with a Holy Grail full of awesome. See also ChristianityIsCatholic for when it's not ''explicitly'' stated to be Catholic, but uses elements unique to Catholicism anyways. Compare CrystalDragonJesus, where a fantasy universe features a religion with superficially Christian ([[ChristianityIsCatholic usually Catholic]]) trappings.

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Enter FantasticCatholicism, wherein creators spice up the TheChurch with fantastic elements, making it out to be the coolest, most badass organization around. Most typical of {{Fantasy}}, ScienceFiction and AlternateHistory, this trope applies the RuleOfCool to that fusty old Catholic Church, coming out with a Holy Grail full of awesome. See also ChristianityIsCatholic for when it's not ''explicitly'' stated to be Catholic, but uses elements unique to Catholicism anyways. Compare CrystalDragonJesus, where a fantasy universe features a religion with superficially Christian ([[ChristianityIsCatholic usually Catholic]]) trappings.
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* The Entire Premise of ComicBook/WarriorNunAreala involves a division of the Catholic Church devoted to hunting down Supernatural Evil, with both Magic-using priests, badass Warrior Nuns, holy relics, super-technology and the resources of the global organization of the Church.
* ChickTracts claim the Ancient Secret/Rules the World interpretation. According to the (purportedly nonfiction) comics, the Catholic Church is a completely separate entity from Christianity and is responsible for [[http://chick.com/reading/tracts/1077/1077_01.asp Islam, communism, Nazism, Masonry/Baal worship... the list goes on.]]

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* The Entire Premise of ComicBook/WarriorNunAreala ''ComicBook/WarriorNunAreala'' involves a division of the Catholic Church devoted to hunting down Supernatural Evil, with both Magic-using priests, badass Warrior Nuns, holy relics, super-technology and the resources of the global organization of the Church.
* ChickTracts ''ComicBook/ChickTracts'' claim the Ancient Secret/Rules the World interpretation. According to the (purportedly nonfiction) comics, the Catholic Church is a completely separate entity from Christianity and is responsible for [[http://chick.com/reading/tracts/1077/1077_01.asp Islam, communism, Nazism, Masonry/Baal worship... the list goes on.]]
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!!!TheChurch Fights The Supernatural!

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!!!TheChurch Fights The the Supernatural!



!!!TheChurch Has A Direct-Line To Jesus!

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!!!TheChurch Has An Ancient Secret!

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!!!TheChurch Is Full Of Badasses!

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* The Catholic Church in ''TabletopGame/{{Infinity}}'' is a major political player in [=PanOceania=] and maintains militarized space knights in PoweredArmor.
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* In ''VideoGame/AfterTheEndACrusaderKingsIIMod'', Catholicism has experienced a massive surge in the American West, complete with a new Papacy in St. Louis and the revival of the Crusades. There's also two offshoots that refuse to acknowledge his authority as the "true" Pope: The [[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ursulines Ursulines]] of Quebec, who have their own [[GenderFlip all-female]] clerical hierarchy, and a Mexican splinter religion that evolved from devotions to the [[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sacred_Heart Sacred Heart]] and the veneration of saints.
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* The Catholic Church is also one of the few Christian faiths that still trains exorcists, so movies such as TheExorcist are rather TruthInTelevision. In the rare cases that a priest from another faith tradition believes that someone is under DemonicPossession (not unknown, but ''vanishingly'' rare -and a subject of controversy as to whether it's real at all- in RealLife), they'll ask the nearest Catholic priest for help. That priest, however, will refer the person to the local Bishop or Archbishop, who then will demand a battery of physical and psychological tests to exclude any illness that would produce similar effects to a possession. It is only after that, having exhausted any possible temporal causes, that the person will be allowed to see one of the Church's trained exorcists.
** That does not include the growing Pentecostal/Charismatic movements whose explicit distinctives involve literal beliefs in miracles and the supernatural, with many running "Deliverance Ministries" for the dual purpose of expelling demons from an individual and bringing that individual to Christ.

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* The Catholic Church is also one of the few Christian faiths that still trains exorcists, so movies such as TheExorcist are rather TruthInTelevision. In the rare cases that a priest from another faith tradition believes that someone is under DemonicPossession (not unknown, but ''vanishingly'' rare -and - and a subject of controversy as to whether it's real at all- all - in RealLife), they'll ask the nearest Catholic priest for help. That priest, however, will refer the person to the local Bishop or Archbishop, who then will demand a battery of physical and psychological tests to exclude any illness that would produce similar effects to a possession. It is only after that, having exhausted any possible temporal causes, that the person will be allowed to see one of the Church's trained exorcists.
** That does not include the growing Pentecostal/Charismatic movements whose explicit distinctives distinctions involve literal beliefs in miracles and the supernatural, with many running "Deliverance Ministries" for the dual purpose of expelling demons from an individual and bringing that individual to Christ.
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Catholicism is one of the few Mainline churches that practices excorcism, but the charismatic movement does too and it\'s the fastest growing tradition in Christianity.



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**That does not include the growing Pentecostal/Charismatic movements whose explicit distinctives involve literal beliefs in miracles and the supernatural, with many running "Deliverance Ministries" for the dual purpose of expelling demons from an individual and bringing that individual to Christ.
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* In the AlternateHistory story ''Literature/MaleRising'', the Catholic Church, under the rule of a militantly anti-modernist Pope, revives the Papal Legion in order to support the Catholic powers of France and Austria-Hungary during this world's [[UsefulNotes/WorldWarI Great War]] in the 1890s. Despite the reactionary intent of the new Papal Legion, however, it soon becomes a hotbed of populism, bringing together men from all over the world under a single Catholic banner; when they return home, they take all manner of radical ideas with them.
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* ChickTracts claim the Ancient Secret/Rules the World interpretation. According to the (purportedly nonfiction) comics, the Catholic Church is a completely separate entity from Christianity and is responsible for [[http://chick.com/reading/tracts/1077/1077_01.asp Islam, communism, Nazism, Masonry/Baal worship... the list goes on.]]
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Did you even read the book? The entire conspiracy theory ended up being a myth that the villain used as an excuse to manipulate Opus Dei. The novel as a whole is actually very defensive of Opus Dei and the Catholic Church.


** ''Literature/TheDaVinciCode'' involving a plot by Opus Dei to eliminate the last surviving member of the bloodline of Christ, hidden by the Templars, with a crazy albino assassin-devotee. In the movie version it's implied the girl has healing hands.
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* The Holy Dominion in the ''Literature/{{Destroyermen}}'' books is an [[TheEmpire Empire]] controlling much of North America on a parallel world formed by Spanish Conquistadors and a MayIncaTec tribe that were brought to this world by the same means as the crew of the USS ''Walker''. The Conquistadors' beliefs ended up intermixing with the blood sacrifice practices of the natives to form a "perversion of Catholicism" (something the books reiterate constantly). The Doms believe that, since Christ died after enduring torture, torture and a painful death must be a requirement to get into Heaven. The blood priests and blood cardinals control the Dominion from both a religious and political standpoint. Their version of the Pope titles himself as "His Supreme Holiness, the Messiah of Mexico, and, by the Grace of God, Emperor of the World" and is kept in perpetual bliss by alcohol, food, drugs, and women (that the current Pope is able to keep his wits about him through all this is incredible). All nobles, priests, cardinals, and even Popes undergo their version of the Last Rites when near death. Naturally, it involves ritualistic flaying. Which is one of the reasons why the heroes take a some delight in killing them quickly and with the least amount of pain (i.e. BoomHeadshot).
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* The Entire Premise of Warrior Nun Areala involves a division of the Catholic Church devoted to hunting down Supernatural Evil, with both Magic-using priests, badass Warrior Nuns, holy relics, super-technology and the resources of the global organization of the Church.

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* The Entire Premise of Warrior Nun Areala ComicBook/WarriorNunAreala involves a division of the Catholic Church devoted to hunting down Supernatural Evil, with both Magic-using priests, badass Warrior Nuns, holy relics, super-technology and the resources of the global organization of the Church.
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Compare AnimeCatholicism, which is also Catholicism meets RuleOfCool but has {{Japanese media tropes}} mixed in. Unlike AnimeCatholicism, FantasticCatholicism is usually more accurate at least where religious beliefs are concerned, not to mention main characters in their thirties and older are common occurrences and there isn't a particular amount of emphasis on being good looking. FantasticCatholicism may also be mixed with social commentary on the church while AnimeCatholicism never is, at least not on purpose.

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Compare AnimeCatholicism, which is also Catholicism meets RuleOfCool but has {{Japanese media tropes}} mixed in. Unlike AnimeCatholicism, FantasticCatholicism is usually more accurate accurate... at least where as far as religious beliefs are concerned, concerned if not to mention elsewhere, the main characters are often in their thirties and older are common occurrences and there isn't a particular amount of emphasis on being good looking. looking characters. FantasticCatholicism may also be mixed with social commentary on the church while AnimeCatholicism almost never is, at least not on purpose.
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The Catholic Church [[OlderThanFeudalism has existed for close to two thousand years]], and nothing steeped in that much history, mystery, and power is ever left alone when it comes to storytelling. It's way too juicy a target not to take advantage of.

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The Catholic Church [[OlderThanFeudalism has existed for close to two thousand years]], and nothing steeped in that much history, mystery, and power is ever left alone when it comes to storytelling. [[RuleOfCool It's way too juicy a target not to take advantage of.
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* In JohnCarpenter's ''Film/PrinceOfDarkness'', the Church kept [[{{Satan}} the Devil]] prisoner in the basement of an out-of-the-way church, alongside proof that Jesus was an alien, and that the Church was meant to be a militant society on guard in case [[{{Satan}} the Devil]] (also an alien) ever escaped his prison. Unfortunately, the Church became corrupt and started seeking power for its own sake.

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* In JohnCarpenter's Creator/JohnCarpenter's ''Film/PrinceOfDarkness'', the Church kept [[{{Satan}} the Devil]] prisoner in the basement of an out-of-the-way church, alongside proof that Jesus was an alien, and that the Church was meant to be a militant society on guard in case [[{{Satan}} the Devil]] (also an alien) ever escaped his prison. Unfortunately, the Church became corrupt and started seeking power for its own sake.
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The Catholic Church has existed for close to two thousand years, and nothing steeped in that much history, mystery, and power is ever left alone when it comes to storytelling. It's way too juicy a target not to take advantage of.

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The Catholic Church [[OlderThanFeudalism has existed for close to two thousand years, years]], and nothing steeped in that much history, mystery, and power is ever left alone when it comes to storytelling. It's way too juicy a target not to take advantage of.

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* In ''Franchise/AssassinsCreed'' video games, the church ("Templars") have a serious organization out to control the world and keep the big secret about ThePrecursors from entering common knowledge. They use a technology called the animus to extract information about religiously important object (which are lost etch, perhaps), and hunt and kill anyone in their way.

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* In ''Franchise/AssassinsCreed'' video games, the church ("Templars") have a serious organization out to control the world and keep the big secret about ThePrecursors from entering common knowledge. They use a technology called the animus to extract information about religiously important object (which are lost etch, perhaps), and hunt and kill anyone in their way.
** The Borgias were members of this group, and a Borgia Pope tried to mind-control the citizens of Rome with a magical artifact. The Assassins told him to have a date with gravity.
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The Catholic Church has existed for close to two thousand years, and nothing steeped in that much history, mystery and power, is ever left alone when it comes to storytelling, it's way too juicy a target not to take advantage of.

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The Catholic Church has existed for close to two thousand years, and nothing steeped in that much history, mystery mystery, and power, power is ever left alone when it comes to storytelling, it's storytelling. It's way too juicy a target not to take advantage of.
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* The Catholic Church did actually rule over a significant portion of Italy as [[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Papal_States The Papal States]] for over 1000 years. They only ceased to exist in 1870, when they were conquered by the newly formed Kingdom of Italy.
** In theory the Holy Roman Emperor was also supposed to be a Catholic superpower, at its greatest extent covering a significant portion of Europe. However, it was never particularly Holy or Roman, was more a collection of minor bickering states than an actual empire, and the Pope had no more direct power over it than any other Catholic country at the time.

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** The Swiss Guard set the time in Rome....using a [[{{BFG}} howitzer]] dubbed '[[ICallItVera The Monster]]'.
* [[ChurchMilitant The church has had many military orders]] throughout their history, especially during the Crusades period, although the best known are the [[TheKnightsTemplar Templars]] they were not the only ones, other military religious orders include:

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** The Swiss Guard set spent the time in Rome....using a [[{{BFG}} howitzer]] dubbed '[[ICallItVera The Monster]]'.
* [[ChurchMilitant The church has had many military orders]] throughout their history, especially during the Crusades period, although the best known are the [[TheKnightsTemplar Templars]] they were not the only ones, other military religious orders include:period including:



** {{Knights Templar}} (Duh)
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** {{The Order of Brothers of the German House of Saint Mary in Jerusalem (more commonly called {{the Teutonic Knights}}Knights}})



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* The Church ''is'' technologically advanced, after a fashion -- far from being dead set against science, the Church has always had a hand in it. [[note]]Galileo's punishment was not because the Church thought heliocentrism was a heresy -- nothing happened to Copernicus a century earlier -- but instead because Galileo was not holding off on publishing some of his documents to be sure they were free of ''other'' things that might have been doctrinally iffy, i.e. teaching scientific theory as fact without proof. Galileo stated that our sun was not only the center of our solar system, but of our galaxy and the universe - which we now know to be incorrect.[[/note]] The Vatican has two state-of-the-art observatories (in Italy and the United States), and the scientist who conceived of the Big Bang Theory was Fr. Georges [=LeMaître=], a Jesuit. It does not teach a literal creation and is at home with evolution (reserving that HumansAreSpecial as two were granted an immortal soul). The only time the Church really takes a negative stance towards science comes in two forms.
** The Church is against science that runs against the Church's moral teachings, such as embryonic stem-cell research [[note]]The Church believes human life has value regardless of legal/philosophical 'personhood', so Catholics believe embryonic stem cell research is basically PoweredByAForsakenChild.[[/note]] (the Church heartily endorses ''adult'' stem-cell research).
** The Church is against those who try to push through scientific theories ''without adhering to the scientific method''. That's what the whole Galileo mess was about (see note above).

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* The Church ''is'' technologically advanced, after a fashion -- far from being dead set against science, the Church has always had a hand in it. [[note]]Galileo's punishment was not because the Church thought heliocentrism was a heresy -- nothing happened to Copernicus a century earlier -- but instead because Galileo was not holding off on publishing some of his documents to be sure they were free of ''other'' things that might have been doctrinally iffy, i.e. teaching scientific theory as fact without proof. Galileo stated that our sun was not only the center of our solar system, but of our galaxy and the universe - which we now know to be incorrect.[[/note]] The Vatican has two state-of-the-art observatories (in Italy and the United States), and the scientist who conceived of the Big Bang Theory was Fr. Georges [=LeMaître=], a Jesuit. It does not teach a literal creation and is at home with evolution (reserving that HumansAreSpecial as two were granted an immortal soul). The only time the Church really takes a negative stance towards science comes in two forms.
** The Church is against science that runs against the Church's moral teachings, such as embryonic stem-cell research [[note]]The Church believes human life has value regardless of legal/philosophical 'personhood', so Catholics believe embryonic stem cell research is basically PoweredByAForsakenChild.[[/note]] (the Church heartily endorses ''adult'' stem-cell research).
** The Church is against those who try to push through scientific theories ''without adhering to the scientific method''. That's what the whole Galileo mess was about (see note above).

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