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** In the audio drama ''The Curse of Davros'', Davros explains the reason he chose to go back to the Napoleonic Wars and team up with Napoleon Bonaparte rather than any other time period when a powerful warlord nearly conquered the continent is because all the others had impure reasons for seeking power, including the one who had an obsession with meaningless genetic differences between humans. Of course, given the Daleks are poster-cyborgs for ANaziByAnyOtherName, there's a bit of {{Hypocrisy}} involved there.
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** In the audio drama ''The Curse of Davros'', Davros explains the reason he chose to go back to the Napoleonic Wars and team up with Napoleon Bonaparte rather than any other time period when a powerful warlord nearly conquered the continent is because all the others had impure reasons for seeking power, including the one who had an obsession with meaningless genetic differences between humans. Of course, given the Daleks are poster-cyborgs for ANaziByAnyOtherName, there's a bit of {{Hypocrisy}} [[{{Hypocrite}} hypocrisy]] involved there.
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Compare and contrast PragmaticVillainy, when the villain's refusal to partake in the abhorrent act is far more selfish (or in the case of a group of villains against a single one, group-beneficial); EvilerThanThou, where the villain is dismissive of another villain for not being evil ''enough''; EvenMooksHaveLovedOnes, where minions defect to protect a loved one from their boss; DoWrongRight for cases where it's not what is done but rather ''how'' it's done that the villain has standards for; EvilVersusOblivion, where one villain is trying to defend the world (himself included) against another villain who [[OmnicidalManiac wants to destroy everything]]; and FamilyValuesVillain for where the standards are very... old-fashioned. Often the deal with many LawfulEvil villains, but sometimes not. Can occasionally be the cause of a BreakTheBadass moment, when the badass in question is the bad guy. As said above it may be used by a character who also crossed the MoralEventHorizon and so he may be, in theory (if not wholly) just as evil as the target of this trope. The PoliticallyCorrectVillain always considers themself part of this trope, though whether the writer and audience agree tends to vary.
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Compare and contrast PragmaticVillainy, when the villain's refusal to partake in the abhorrent act is far more selfish (or in the case of a group of villains against a single one, group-beneficial); EvilerThanThou, where the villain is dismissive of another villain for not being evil ''enough''; EvenMooksHaveLovedOnes, where minions defect to protect a loved one from their boss; DoWrongRight for cases where it's not what is done but rather ''how'' it's done that the villain has standards for; EvilVersusOblivion, where one villain is trying to defend the world (himself included) against another villain who [[OmnicidalManiac wants to destroy everything]]; and FamilyValuesVillain for where the standards are very... old-fashioned. Often the deal with many LawfulEvil villains, but sometimes not. Can occasionally be the cause of a BreakTheBadass moment, when the badass in question is the bad guy. As said above it may be used by a character who also crossed the MoralEventHorizon and so he may be, in theory (if not wholly) just as evil as the target of this trope. The PoliticallyCorrectVillain always considers themself part of this trope, though whether the writer and audience agree tends to vary.
vary. For the exact opposite, see EvenTheLovingHeroHasHatedOnes.
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* Despite ''Podcast/KakosIndustries'' priding itself on evil and all things evil, the company rarely stoops low when it comes to evil stemmed from ignorance in which Corin, a CorruptCorporateExecutive himself, finds to be an annoyance and waste in this.
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* ''Podcast/RedPandaAdventures'': This is a recurring problem that Nazi agents operating in Canada have. For all the bad things the criminal underworld will do and put up with, there are many for whom treason is just a step too far and this is highlighted in multiple episodes:
** "The Endgame": Nazi commander Varkin is planning a two-pronged attack to unleash a deadly disease onto Toronto, one group releasing it into the water supply, the second attempting an airborne attack. At the water treatment plant, the Red Panda encounters Ace Kirby, a local hood who's helping the Nazis thinking the whole thing is just some caper. Once it's made clear to him just what is going on and what is at stake, and with the Red Panda himself infected and growing steadily weaker, Ace steps up to stop the water strike and defends the Red Panda while he stops the air strike. Once all is done and the Red Panda is cured and recovering, he insists on Ace being inducted into the heroes' army of agents who act as their eyes and ears in the city.
** "The Home Team": The Red Panda and Flying Squirrel are alerted to a jailbreak that took one of their Rogues Gallery, Professor Zombie, out of prison with intent to ship her to Germany. The heroes realize Zombie was likely injured in the breakout would need treatment before she could be safely flown out of the country, and that neither a normal doctor nor even a crime doctor would be viable options to treat her; the former for obvious reasons and the latter because they might have an unexpected bout of patriotism. This leads the Germans to fly their own doctor into the country and the heroes are able to trace him to where Zombie is being kept and treated.
** "Stop the Presses": Supervillain the Mad Monkey is many things, but a traitor is not one of them. As driven as he is to challenge the Red Panda, he is content to keep himself to the shadows and keep his criminality to a minimum while the Red Panda plays soldier boy and fights the big bad Nazis. He even goes so far as to join the Red Panda in an EnemyMine when the Nazis, led by Archangel, take over a local newspaper as a trap. Though that is mostly because Archangel would get the credit if the Red Panda were to die in this scenario and the Mad Monkey considers himself TheOnlyOneAllowedToDefeatYou.
** "The King of Crime": the titular King of Crime is a Nazi agent exploiting {{Idiosyncrazy}} by acting like an English lord and treating the criminal underworld as his feudal kingdom. The crooks, thinking he's just a supervillain working the rackets, go along with it since it works out fine for them. As soon as they're told he's a Nazi, however, they're perfectly willing to turn on him and kill him from a combination of this and the fact that HeKnowsTooMuch about their various operations.
** "The Endgame": Nazi commander Varkin is planning a two-pronged attack to unleash a deadly disease onto Toronto, one group releasing it into the water supply, the second attempting an airborne attack. At the water treatment plant, the Red Panda encounters Ace Kirby, a local hood who's helping the Nazis thinking the whole thing is just some caper. Once it's made clear to him just what is going on and what is at stake, and with the Red Panda himself infected and growing steadily weaker, Ace steps up to stop the water strike and defends the Red Panda while he stops the air strike. Once all is done and the Red Panda is cured and recovering, he insists on Ace being inducted into the heroes' army of agents who act as their eyes and ears in the city.
** "The Home Team": The Red Panda and Flying Squirrel are alerted to a jailbreak that took one of their Rogues Gallery, Professor Zombie, out of prison with intent to ship her to Germany. The heroes realize Zombie was likely injured in the breakout would need treatment before she could be safely flown out of the country, and that neither a normal doctor nor even a crime doctor would be viable options to treat her; the former for obvious reasons and the latter because they might have an unexpected bout of patriotism. This leads the Germans to fly their own doctor into the country and the heroes are able to trace him to where Zombie is being kept and treated.
** "Stop the Presses": Supervillain the Mad Monkey is many things, but a traitor is not one of them. As driven as he is to challenge the Red Panda, he is content to keep himself to the shadows and keep his criminality to a minimum while the Red Panda plays soldier boy and fights the big bad Nazis. He even goes so far as to join the Red Panda in an EnemyMine when the Nazis, led by Archangel, take over a local newspaper as a trap. Though that is mostly because Archangel would get the credit if the Red Panda were to die in this scenario and the Mad Monkey considers himself TheOnlyOneAllowedToDefeatYou.
** "The King of Crime": the titular King of Crime is a Nazi agent exploiting {{Idiosyncrazy}} by acting like an English lord and treating the criminal underworld as his feudal kingdom. The crooks, thinking he's just a supervillain working the rackets, go along with it since it works out fine for them. As soon as they're told he's a Nazi, however, they're perfectly willing to turn on him and kill him from a combination of this and the fact that HeKnowsTooMuch about their various operations.
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Can even involve ConscienceMakesYouGoBack, SuddenPrincipledStand, WontDoYourDirtyWork. See also EvilVirtues and VillainousValour, for good traits and virtues that villains commonly practice. The inversions of this trope are WellIntentionedExtremist and UtopiaJustifiesTheMeans, when it turns out that ''goodness'' is willingly crossing the MoralEventHorizon. This trope is a common trait in AffablyEvil characters. On the other hand, while FauxAffablyEvil villains do not possess much sincerity, even they could conceivably have their limits. A SubTrope of EveryoneHasStandards. Subverted with PragmaticVillainy where standards are based not so much on ethics but a realization of the risks and/or long-term consequences outweighing the short-term gains.
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Can even involve ConscienceMakesYouGoBack, SuddenPrincipledStand, WontDoYourDirtyWork. See also EvilVirtues and VillainousValour, for good traits and virtues that villains commonly practice. The inversions of this trope are WellIntentionedExtremist and UtopiaJustifiesTheMeans, when it turns out that ''goodness'' is willingly crossing the MoralEventHorizon. This trope is a common trait in AffablyEvil characters. On the other hand, while FauxAffablyEvil villains do not possess much sincerity, even they could conceivably have their limits. A SubTrope of EveryoneHasStandards. Subverted with PragmaticVillainy where standards are based not so much on ethics but a realization of the risks and/or long-term consequences outweighing the short-term gains.
gains. Another possible subversion is ItsNotAboutTheRequest, where a character refuses to do something not because it violates a moral standard (and sometimes they may outright say that normally they'd have no problem doing it) but because of something else, such as not liking the person who asked them.
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* In the eponymous city of ''Website/{{Mortasheen}}'', while the inhabitants will willingly do [[AndIMustScream horrible]], [[BodyHorror terrible]] things to each other, even they find the [[DeviousDolphins Dolfury]] horrifying and evil.
* Played for laughs on Website/TVTropes:
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* Vadiir from ''ARG/DarkDreamChronicle'' is a cold blooded killer who loves what he does, and he was horrified by Darkness [[WouldHurtAChild killing children]].
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* The titular organization from ''Podcast/TheAmeliaProject'' may fake the deaths of bad people so they can avoid consequences for their actions, but they only over do consensual fake deaths and are generally reluctant to work with particularly heinous people like serial killers.
* Solvin from ''Podcast/TheFallenGods'' will happily steal, maim, murder, and torture, but draws the line at slavery. Or [[ArsonMurderAndJaywalking leaving a corpse naked]]. He's very complex!
* Despite ''Podcast/KakosIndustries'' priding itself on evil and all things evil, the company rarely stoops low when it comes to evil stemmed from ignorance in which Corin, a CorruptCorporateExecutive himself, finds to be an annoyance and waste in this.
* ''Podcast/{{Midst}}'': Even Spahr is appalled when Phineas finally breaks down and [[spoiler: nearly beats Guthrie to death]] in his desperation to get him to talk. It's not the violence that bothers him: it's the desperation in Phineas' eyes.
* In ''Podcast/OnTheThreshold'' Tiago Cabral's [[MadScientist horrific experiments]] and [[DealWithTheDevil rituals]] that he carried out [[SlaveryIsASpecialKindOfEvil on his slaves]] were so disturbing that when they finally rose up in revolution, even his neighboring slaveholding plantation owners refused to help him.
* In the ''Podcast/SickSadWorld'' episode "Haunted Mansions", it's mentioned that Madam [=LaLaurie's=] treatment of people she had enslaved was considered awful by other people in her social circles. As Jasmine and Dev note, these were people who didn't have moral issues with slavery and still thought [=LaLaurie=] was needed to be stopped.
* Colonel Kepler of ''Podcast/Wolf359'' is a very, very bad man, willing to kill many people, including his own loyal followers, for the sake of the Big Picture. However, he refuses to abide wasted potential. If you can overcome trial by fire, you've earned his respect. If you can't, you're nothing to him. This is why he is actively disgusted by the WellIntentionedExtremist Doctor Hilbert- for all Hilbert's posturing and promises that the Decima virus will cure countless diseases and improve human life, the only thing literal decades of work and research on Decima have amounted to is multiple body counts.
** Kepler's ruthlessness also has its limits -- he is very much against Cutter's plan to [[spoiler:wipe out the human race using a modified Decima virus. He ends up pulling a HeroicSacrifice by destroying the pulse beacon that would distribute the virus across Earth and mortally wounding Rachel, who manages to [[ThrownOutTheAirlock flush him out of the airlock]] before succumbing to her injuries.]]
* The titular organization from ''Podcast/TheAmeliaProject'' may fake the deaths of bad people so they can avoid consequences for their actions, but they only over do consensual fake deaths and are generally reluctant to work with particularly heinous people like serial killers.
* Solvin from ''Podcast/TheFallenGods'' will happily steal, maim, murder, and torture, but draws the line at slavery. Or [[ArsonMurderAndJaywalking leaving a corpse naked]]. He's very complex!
* Despite ''Podcast/KakosIndustries'' priding itself on evil and all things evil, the company rarely stoops low when it comes to evil stemmed from ignorance in which Corin, a CorruptCorporateExecutive himself, finds to be an annoyance and waste in this.
* ''Podcast/{{Midst}}'': Even Spahr is appalled when Phineas finally breaks down and [[spoiler: nearly beats Guthrie to death]] in his desperation to get him to talk. It's not the violence that bothers him: it's the desperation in Phineas' eyes.
* In ''Podcast/OnTheThreshold'' Tiago Cabral's [[MadScientist horrific experiments]] and [[DealWithTheDevil rituals]] that he carried out [[SlaveryIsASpecialKindOfEvil on his slaves]] were so disturbing that when they finally rose up in revolution, even his neighboring slaveholding plantation owners refused to help him.
* In the ''Podcast/SickSadWorld'' episode "Haunted Mansions", it's mentioned that Madam [=LaLaurie's=] treatment of people she had enslaved was considered awful by other people in her social circles. As Jasmine and Dev note, these were people who didn't have moral issues with slavery and still thought [=LaLaurie=] was needed to be stopped.
* Colonel Kepler of ''Podcast/Wolf359'' is a very, very bad man, willing to kill many people, including his own loyal followers, for the sake of the Big Picture. However, he refuses to abide wasted potential. If you can overcome trial by fire, you've earned his respect. If you can't, you're nothing to him. This is why he is actively disgusted by the WellIntentionedExtremist Doctor Hilbert- for all Hilbert's posturing and promises that the Decima virus will cure countless diseases and improve human life, the only thing literal decades of work and research on Decima have amounted to is multiple body counts.
** Kepler's ruthlessness also has its limits -- he is very much against Cutter's plan to [[spoiler:wipe out the human race using a modified Decima virus. He ends up pulling a HeroicSacrifice by destroying the pulse beacon that would distribute the virus across Earth and mortally wounding Rachel, who manages to [[ThrownOutTheAirlock flush him out of the airlock]] before succumbing to her injuries.]]
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* In the song "Music/AlicesRestaurant", when the singer describes being sent to the Group W bench (for those who possibly "may not be moral enough to join the Army") full of "mother-rapers, father-stabbers, and [[BreadEggsBreadedEggs father-rapers]]", one of them asks him [[WhatAreYouInFor why he's there]]. When they hear his response "littering", they all move away from him on the bench. But he regains their respect by adding "And creating a nuisance".
* In the Music/JonathanCoulton song "Re: Your Brains", the zombie singer informs his prospective victim that he and his colleagues are "not unreasonable" because while they intend to eat his brains "No one's gonna [[EyeScream eat your eyes]]." Then again, they're saying this as a bargaining chip to convince him to let them in.
* In Music/TomLehrer's "The Irish Ballad", from ''Music/SongsByTomLehrer'', the little girl protagonist kills her entire family and then willingly admits to it when the police show up, because "lying, she knew, was a sin."
* WebAnimation/YourFavoriteMartian's "Club Villain" is a song about a dance club full of [[BigBad Big Bads]], [[PsychoForHire psychos]], and SlasherMovie monsters [[VillainsOutShopping hanging out and having a good time]]. However, when they discover that Music/ChrisBrown is in the club too, they immediately kick him out.
-->ComicBook/DoctorOctopus was also getting physical with [[WesternAnimation/TheLittleMermaid1989 Ursula]]/the two were making out and touching tentacles/Then [[Franchise/HarryPotter Voldemort]] greeted [[Franchise/StarWars Vader]] with a fist pound/they were checking out [[ComicBook/XMen Mystique's]] ass next to Chris Brown. [RecordNeedleScratch] ''CHRIS BROWN?!!'' Somebody needs to throw that guy out of the club, seriously!
* In Music/NickCave's "The Curse of Millhaven," the protagonist is a self-confessed evil teenager, happily singing to police and townfolk about [[SerialKiller her outrageously long]] list of murders but is '''adamant''' though, she didn't kill the schoolteacher's dog: that was two other school-age psychos she has no respect for. To be fair, Lottie doesn't seem to have a lot of respect for much of anyone or anything. It could be read that she wouldn't have minded killing the dog but never got the chance, or that she'd gone beyond the point where animal cruelty was fun anymore. Mostly though, she just didn't want to be pegged for something she didn't do.
* Music/{{TISM}} combined this trope with RefugeInAudacity and [[ClusterFBomb Cluster C Bomb]] to create their song "I Might Be A Cunt, But I'm Not A Fucking Cunt." The lyrics include such protestations of virtue as, "I might have screwed your sister, but I'll never screw your mum" and "[[UsefulNotes/AustralianRulesFootball I might barrack for Port Power, but never for the Crows.]]" The whole pretense is dropped near the end with, "I mightn't tell the truth all the time, but hey, [[CrossesTheLineTwice what's your mum's number?]]"
* In the song ''Banned From Argo'', some space pirates (or in the original rendition of the song, Klingons) planned to commence a raid on the titular
* In Music/TomSmith's song "[[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_jrqaRZ1RIU Rocket Ride]]", he describes how sci-fi villains in the old days were like
* Solvin from ''Podcast/TheFallenGods'' will happily steal, maim, murder,
-->They used to be angular, sneering and
If someone got killed even they were appalled,\\
They never tortured, they never lied,\\
They'd [[IGaveMyWord honor a promise]] [[HonorBeforeReason if it meant they died]].
* The Music/BarenakedLadies' song "Bank Job" narrates the aftermath of a failed bank robbery. Midway through, we learn the reason everything went bad: one of the robbers panicked when he realized the bank's lobby was full of nuns.
* "We're Crooks" (lyrics by Creator/PGWodehouse) makes variations on this the punchline of each verse (e.g. "we've never been in Congress, for we draw the line at that").
* The Irish protest song "The Patriot Game" explicitly condones shooting police officers, but draws the line at
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--> Uh-oh! (Uhoh!) Take a
Uh-oh! (Uh-oh!) It's a mistake! (It's a mistake!)\\
Uh-oh! (Uh-oh!) I'm in trouble! (I'm in trouble!)\\
Uh-oh! (Uh-oh!) The little girl was just too little, too little, too little, too little, too little!
* Music/TheJacksons: The opening lines of "Torture."
--> It was on a street so evil\\
So bad that '''even hell disowned it'''\\
Every single step was trouble\\
For the fool who stumbled on it
* Music/WoodyGuthrie's "[[Music/DustBowlBallads Pretty Boy Floyd]]" ends with the title character pointing out that even his fellow bank robbers don't drive families from their homes, unlike the Depression-era bankers he's crusading against.
* Music/{{Pretenders}}: "I hurt you", one of the many DestructiveRomance songs of Chrissie Hynde. To quote: "If you'd been in the S.S. in '43 you would've been kicked out for cruelty!"
* Used as TheWorfEffect in D12's debut album ''Devil's Night'', where [[Music/{{Eminem}} Slim Shady]] - at that time, the shock-rap [[TheNewRockAndRoll demon of America]], with picket lines outside his shows of both conservatives and
* ''Podcast/{{Midst}}'': Even Spahr
* In ''Podcast/OnTheThreshold'' Tiago Cabral's [[MadScientist horrific experiments]] and [[DealWithTheDevil rituals]] that he carried out [[SlaveryIsASpecialKindOfEvil on his slaves]] were so disturbing that when
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* Colonel Kepler of ''Podcast/Wolf359'' is a very, very bad man, willing to kill many people, including his own loyal followers, for
** Kepler's ruthlessness also has its limits -- he is very much against Cutter's plan to [[spoiler:wipe out the human race using a modified Decima virus. He ends up pulling a HeroicSacrifice by destroying the pulse beacon that would distribute the virus across Earth and mortally wounding Rachel, who manages to [[ThrownOutTheAirlock flush him out
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* After the terrorist attack on the school in Beslan, a political cartoon showed Satan having his lawyer-devil send a cease-and-desist order to the terrorists because they were "giving evil a bad name."
* More "crazy" than evil, but one cartoon about birthers had Creator/CharlieSheen watching one on FOX News and telling him to get some help
* One UsefulNotes/WorldWarII PoliticalCartoon demonstrated the Germans preparing to blow up Rome. Even a ghost of a Vandal (the Vandals sacked Rome during the waning days of the Empire) is appalled by this attempt at destruction.
* An example from one Nazi to another: [[https://research.calvin.edu/german-propaganda-archive/sprechstunde-der-NSDAP.htm A Nazi wants to leave his wife over an eye twitch, claiming it proves that she is "genetically inferior"]]. Even the Nazi racial propagandist he is writing to thinks that would be cruel.
* After the terrorist attack on the school in Beslan, a political cartoon showed Satan having his lawyer-devil send a cease-and-desist order to the terrorists because they were "giving evil a bad name."
* More "crazy" than evil, but one cartoon about birthers had Creator/CharlieSheen watching one on FOX News and telling him to get some help
* One UsefulNotes/WorldWarII PoliticalCartoon demonstrated the Germans preparing to blow up Rome. Even a ghost of a Vandal (the Vandals sacked Rome during the waning days of the Empire) is appalled by this attempt at destruction.
* An example from one Nazi to another: [[https://research.calvin.edu/german-propaganda-archive/sprechstunde-der-NSDAP.htm A Nazi wants to leave his wife over an eye twitch, claiming it proves that she is "genetically inferior"]]. Even the Nazi racial propagandist he is writing to thinks that would be cruel.
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* UsefulNotes/{{Jesus}} mentioned that even an evil father would not give his son a stone, when the son asked for bread, or a serpent when the son asked for a fish, when he contrasts them to the Father in Heaven, who is willing to give good gifts to those who ask Him.
* [[Literature/TheFourGospels Pontius Pilate]]:
** There is a theory that Pontius Pilate's reaction to the charges against Jesus was intended as {{irony}}. Apart from the Bible, most evidence suggests that Pontius Pilate was a cruel bastard (was there any high-status Roman who ''wasn't''?), a reputation that would have been fresh in the mind of much of the Gospels' first audience. Yet according to the Gospel writers, Jesus was so innocent that even ''Pontius Pilate'' didn't think Jesus was guilty, which made Caiaphus and the Jewish leadership look like even bigger scum.
** Another depiction claims that Pilate was just as disgusted at Caiaphas and the Jews bringing him and the rest of Rome into what should have been a Jewish internal matter (all for the sake of their being able to execute him as opposed to, say, life imprisonment), though that doesn't seem to detract from his not finding Jesus guilty.
** Some depictions of that story even claim Pilate went out of his way to keep Jesus from being crucified, both through the legal system and through political
* In Myth/EgyptianMythology, this is how other evil gods view [[DestroyerDeity Apep[=/=]Apophis]]. Even [[SatanicArchetype Set]] is disgusted by him as well.
* In Myth/AztecMythology, Tezcatlipoca is often shown as [[JerkassGods a
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* In one of Grimm's fairy tales, a young man is sleeping in the woods when some
* One UsefulNotes/WorldWarII PoliticalCartoon demonstrated
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* ''Literature/TheEpicOfGilgamesh'': Ishtar is the UrExample of a [[JerkassGods jerkass god]]. She's known for turning all her lovers into animals when she gets tired of them, and when Gilgamesh rejects her, she sends the Bull of Heaven to destroy his entire city, and forces the other gods to go along with it by threatening to start a ZombieApocalypse if they prevent her. However, even she was horrified when Enlil [[OmnicidalManiac tried to destroy all of humanity]] [[DisproportionateRetribution just because their noise was making it hard for him to sleep]].
* The Swedish folktale about the woman Kitta Grau (known locally as Sko-Ella) tells the story about how the devil one
* Some takes on SuccubiAndIncubi claim they're repulsed by same-sex intercourse (remember, [[ValuesDissonance this is the medieval sphere we're talking about]]). This could have a pragmatic aspect to it, since core lore about these demons is to transfer semen and create cambions, but still.
* The infamous Tantalus of Myth/ClassicalMythology, who, in an attempt to prove the gods weren't all-knowing, murdered his own son, Pelops, and served him for the banquet when the Olympians visited. Murdering your own son (and defying SacredHospitality, which [[ValuesDissonance doesn't seem so bad from a modern perspective]]) disgusted even the Olympians, the most infamous JerkassGods in cultural memory. Zeus even went so far as to command the Fates to bring Pelops back to life, albeit with a shoulder missing because Demeter was too grief-stricken by Hades taking Persephone to realize what she was eating. For his crimes, Tantalus was given an especially cruel ([[AssholeVictim and deserved]]) punishment in Tartarus of being cursed to have fruit and water just out of his reach.
* There is a Polish legend that once, in Lublin, a court [[KangarooCourt judged unfairly]] in favor of a [[ScrewTheRulesIHaveMoney rich magnate]] against a poor widow. Then, depending on the variant, either the widow stated {{Satan}} would have judged more fairly, or the magnate stated the guy would have been forced to agree with them. In either case, next night, devils show up and force the court to review the case.
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* ''Series/KingdomAdventure'': When Pitts found out firsthand how dangerous the [[DrugsAreBad Wonder Root]] was, he ordered every wonder root removed from his territory. Though it's ambiguous whether this was concern for his citizens' safety or a personal dislike for anything that [[ItsAllAboutMe had ever threatened him]].
* ''Series/KingdomAdventure'': When Pitts found out firsthand how dangerous the [[DrugsAreBad Wonder Root]] was, he ordered every wonder root removed from his territory. Though it's ambiguous whether this was concern for his citizens' safety or a personal dislike for anything that [[ItsAllAboutMe had ever threatened him]].
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* Solvin from ''Podcast/TheFallenGods'' will happily steal, maim, murder, and torture, but draws the line at slavery. Or [[ArsonMurderAndJaywalking leaving a corpse naked]]. He's very complex!
* Despite ''Podcast/KakosIndustries'' priding itself on evil and all things evil, the company rarely stoops low when it comes to evil stemmed from ignorance in which Corin, a CorruptCorporateExecutive himself, finds to be an annoyance and waste in this.
* ''Podcast/{{Midst}}'': Even Spahr is appalled when Phineas finally breaks down and [[spoiler: nearly beats Guthrie to death]] in his
* In ''Podcast/OnTheThreshold'' Tiago Cabral's [[MadScientist horrific experiments]] and [[DealWithTheDevil rituals]] that
* In the ''Podcast/SickSadWorld'' episode "Haunted Mansions", it's mentioned that Madam [=LaLaurie's=] treatment of people she had
* Colonel Kepler of ''Podcast/Wolf359'' is a very, very bad man, willing to kill many people, including his own loyal followers, for the sake of the Big Picture. However, he refuses to abide wasted potential. If you can overcome trial by fire, you've earned his respect. If you can't, you're nothing to him. This is why he is actively disgusted by the WellIntentionedExtremist Doctor Hilbert- for all Hilbert's posturing and promises that the Decima virus will cure countless diseases and improve human life, the only thing literal decades of work and research on Decima have amounted to is multiple body counts.
** Kepler's ruthlessness also has its limits -- he is very much against Cutter's plan to [[spoiler:wipe out the human race using a modified Decima virus. He ends up pulling a HeroicSacrifice by destroying the pulse beacon that would distribute the virus across Earth and mortally wounding Rachel, who manages to [[ThrownOutTheAirlock flush him out of the airlock]] before succumbing to her injuries.]]
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* After the terrorist attack on the school in Beslan, a political cartoon showed Satan having his lawyer-devil send a cease-and-desist order to the terrorists because they were "giving evil a bad name."
* More "crazy" than evil, but one cartoon about birthers had Creator/CharlieSheen watching one on FOX News and telling him to get some help
* One UsefulNotes/WorldWarII PoliticalCartoon demonstrated the Germans preparing to blow up Rome. Even a ghost of a Vandal (the Vandals sacked Rome during the waning days of the Empire) is appalled by this attempt at destruction.
* An example from one Nazi to another: [[https://research.calvin.edu/german-propaganda-archive/sprechstunde-der-NSDAP.htm A Nazi wants to leave his wife over an eye twitch, claiming it proves that she is "genetically inferior"]]. Even the Nazi racial propagandist he is writing to thinks that would be cruel.
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* ''Series/KingdomAdventure'': When Pitts found out firsthand how dangerous the [[DrugsAreBad Wonder Root]] was, he ordered every wonder root removed from his territory. Though it's ambiguous whether this was concern for his citizens' safety or a personal dislike for anything that [[ItsAllAboutMe had ever threatened him]].
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* After the terrorist attack on the school in Beslan, a political cartoon showed Satan having his lawyer-devil send a cease-and-desist order to the terrorists because they were "giving evil a bad name."
* More "crazy" than evil, but one cartoon about birthers had Creator/CharlieSheen watching one on FOX News and telling him to get some help
* One UsefulNotes/WorldWarII PoliticalCartoon demonstrated the Germans preparing to blow up Rome. Even a ghost of a Vandal (the Vandals sacked Rome during the waning days of the Empire) is appalled by this attempt at destruction.
* An example from one Nazi to another: [[https://research.calvin.edu/german-propaganda-archive/sprechstunde-der-NSDAP.htm A Nazi wants to leave his wife over an eye twitch, claiming it proves that she is "genetically inferior"]]. Even the Nazi racial propagandist he is writing to thinks that would be cruel.
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* ''Series/KingdomAdventure'': When Pitts found out firsthand how dangerous the [[DrugsAreBad Wonder Root]] was, he ordered every wonder root removed from his territory. Though it's ambiguous whether this was concern for his citizens' safety or a personal dislike for anything that [[ItsAllAboutMe had ever threatened him]].
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* In ''Theatre/ArsenicAndOldLace'', the aunts are greatly offended when their nephew tells them to lie about killing various men. They may be murderers, but they would never "stoop to telling a fib!"
* ''Theatre/CyranoDeBergerac'':
** The pickpocket is willing to be one of the one hundred thugs that will punish an impertinent poet; later, he tries to steal Christian but is caught by him, and he was willing to betray the thugs and denounce the plan in exchange for his freedom, but when Christian asks for the name of the perpetrator, he doesn’t want to talk and lampshades this trope:
-->'''The pickpocket:''' I may not say—''a secret...'' \\
'''Christian''' ''(shrugging his shoulders):'' Oh! \\
'''The pickpocket''' ''(with great dignity): ...Of the profession.''
** Cyrano maybe is not evil, but he is definitely a JerkAss and he is proud of it, so when the the buffet girl offers him some food he is eager to lampshade this:
--> '''Cyrano''' ''(taking off his hat)'': Gentle child, \\
[[DontYouDarePityMe Although my Gascon pride would else forbid]] \\
[[DontYouDarePityMe To take the least bestowal from your hands,]] \\
[[JerkWithAHeartOfGold My fear of wounding you outweighs that pride,]] \\
[[PetTheDog And bids accept...]]
** De Guiche sends a hundred men against a poet and stages a LastStand after one too many humiliations from the Gascons, but then he declares the reason for his HeelFaceTurn:
--> De Guiche: I leave no woman in peril.
* Even way back in ''Theatre/DoctorFaustus'', the NobleDemon Mephistopheles repeatedly tries to get Faustus to reconsider eternal damnation for temporary power. Faustus is just too egomanical to see reason.
* In Creator/{{Moliere}}'s ''Don Juan'', while Juan is is amoral and unempathetic to others, in one scene, he intervenes to save the life of a nobleman who was attacked by bandits and grossly outnumbered. This works to Juan's favor, as the man he rescued turns out to have been the brother of one of Juan's abandoned conquests, which makes him become conflicted about his task of killing Juan. Additionally, Moliere had [[WriterOnBoard strong opinions]] about contemporary medical practice and how it was populated by a bunch of quacks and charlatans, and Juan echoes the author's opinions on this issue.
* Differing greatly from his portrayal in the book, Fagin from ''Theatre/{{Oliver}}'' is far more AffablyEvil and is increasingly horrified by Bill Sykes's brutality. It's best summed up in his song ''Reviewing the Situation'':
--> '''Fagin''': A man's got a heart, hasn't he? Joking apart, hasn't he? And though I'd be the first one to say that I wasn't a saint, I'm finding it hard to be really as black as they paint.
** And then:
--> '''Fagin''': I don't want nobody hurt for me, nor made to do the dirt for me. This rotten life is not for me, it's getting far too hot for me...
* The Death Angels/Black Angels (particularly in Creator/TakarazukaRevue) from ''Theatre/{{Elisabeth}}'' may look like they're having way too much fun tormenting a young girl on her wedding day (Der letzte Tanz/Saigo no Dansu) or [[DrivenToSuicide driving a young man to suicide]] (the Mayerling Waltz), but it doesn't stop them from looking absolutely disgusted and judgmental at Elisabeth weeping in the Imperial Crypt. It's because [[spoiler:her refusal to help Rudolf was the last straw that led him to kill himself.]]
* The British BlackComedy piece ''Theatre/GreatBritain'' is mostly comprised of morally ambiguous characters, but they mostly have ''some'' limits. Almost all of them are due to [[VillainProtagonist Paige Britain]] becoming more vile and ruthless.
** Assistant Commissioner Donald Doyle Davison may be something of a DirtyCop, but he's not a racist, and he encourages a racist officer to go to a course on tolerance. More seriously, he's horrified to find out that [[spoiler:his cooperation with Free Press resulted in the arrest and subsequent murder of the innocent Kieron, leading to his cutting off all links with Paige and subsequent resignation]].
** The staff of "Free Press" generally have no problem exposing the dirty secrets of celebrities, viewing it as "just business". They draw the line at two things, however- they are outraged by Paige [[spoiler:letting Scarlett starve to death so that they can have exclusive rights to her death story]], and the news that [[spoiler:their sting operation went ''horribly'' wrong]] causes at least one of them to try and resign.
** In a tragically misguided case of this trope, [[spoiler:some inmates at Broadmoor murder Kieron Mills, believing him to have sold his kids to a paedophile. In reality, he was ''completely'' innocent and only vindicated posthumously]].
* In the ''Hecuba'' of Creator/{{Euripides}}, Agamemnon may be a war criminal, but when he learns that Polymestor, to whose care Priam and Hecuba had entrusted their youngest son, had murdered him when Troy fell, he was appalled at so horrid a breach of SacredHospitality. Despite Polymestor's attempts to frame his crime as a service to the Greek forces, Agamemnon told Polymestor to accept Hecuba's revenge as his just due.
* In ''Theatre/InheritTheWind'': Matthew Brady may be an anti-intellectual religious opportunist persecuting a free-thinking teacher, but when a hateful pastor curses the teacher at a prayer meeting and condemns his own daughter for defending him, Brady publicly tells the Pastor to back off from his tirade.
* ''Theatre/LesMiserables''. When the Thenardiers ask Valjean if his intentions are "correct", regarding his plan to take Cosette away from them. In all likelihood, they were just haggling for more payoff money, but there's always the chance they were genuinely concerned. For all their mistreatment of Cosette, it's never once implied that they're molesting her or allowing others to.
** Though given that after Valjean offers them 1500 francs for Cosette, they never again worry about his "intentions," that somewhat undercuts the argument that they were honestly concerned for her.
* Mad Padraic, the titular character from ''Theatre/TheLieutenantOfInishmore'', is a strange subversion. He is first introduced torturing a drug dealer who sells drugs to children. The subversion occurs when it turns out that the drugs he sells are only marijuana, the children are students at the local technical university, and that what Padraic is mad about is not him selling drugs to children, but not restricting his sales to ''Protestant'' children.
** A more straight example is Padraic's past as a member of first the IRA, which he then left to join a splinter group (the INLA) of those whose methods were too extreme for the IRA, only to leave THAT group to form his own one-man splinter-of-a-splinter group because he ''was too extreme for the INLA too''.
** Brendan, one of the [=INLA=] members, is completely jaded when it comes to drug-dealing, arson, and terrorism, but recoils in horror when he finds out his compatriots have killed a cat.
*** The play could be considered a deconstruction of the concept. It is quite clear that the author thinks that being unwilling to hurt a cat when you have repeatedly and without remorse killed and tortured people does not mean you have morals, it just means you're a hypocrite on top of being a psychopath.
* The Pirate King in ''Theatre/ThePiratesOfPenzance'' -- who commands a pirate band that refuses to rob orphans or to disobey an order of Queen Victoria -- makes this salient point:
-->''But many a king on a first-class throne,\\
If he wants to call his crown his own,\\
Must manage somehow to get through\\
More dirty work than ever I do...''
* ''Theatre/RichardIII'': Buckingham is a-okay carrying out Richard's orders until he hints that he'd like the Little Princes offed, rather ironically as he's the most likely suspect for having done the deed in real life.
* The main focus of the play and movie ''Short Eyes'', in which a child molester is sent to prison. [[PariahPrisoner It doesn't end well for him.]]
* Even the eponymous character of ''Theatre/SweeneyToddTheDemonBarberOfFleetStreet'' wouldn't slit a man's throat [[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E4th4LaJ_7Q&feature=relmfu while his daughter watched.]]
* In ''Theatre/TwistedTheUntoldStoryOfARoyalVizier'', Disney villains are singing about their reasonable goals or sympathetic motives that have been [[WrittenByTheWinners distorted in the retelling]]. Except one:
--> '''[[CruellaToAnimals Cruella De Vil]]:''' I only wished to to have a coat made out of puppies!\\
'''Others:''' Ewwwww.\\
'''Others:''' Just ''leave''!\\
'''Jafar:''' Why would you do that?\\
'''Others:''' That's insane!\\
'''Others:''' Get out!
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* Played for HypocriticalHumor in ''Animation/HappyHeroes''. Huo Haha is genuinely interested in killing the president of Planet Xing, but has problems with things being too unethical for his tastes. Killing the president of Planet Xing is clearly not ethical, so most of his problems are insignificant in comparison: he thinks his EvilLaugh is too scary for the Supermen and apologizes for it and insists on being quiet in a library, for example.
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* Played for HypocriticalHumor in ''Animation/HappyHeroes''. Huo Haha is genuinely interested in killing the president of Planet Xing, but has problems with things being too unethical for his tastes. Killing the president of Planet Xing is clearly not ethical, so most of his problems are insignificant in comparison: he thinks his EvilLaugh is too scary for the Supermen and apologizes for it it, and insists on being quiet in a library, for example.
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* Played for HypocriticalHumor in ''Animation/HappyHeroes''. Huo Haha is genuinely interested in killing the president of Planet Xing, but has problems with things being too unethical for his tastes, such as thinking his EvilLaugh is too scary for the Supermen and apologizing for it. tastes. Killing the president of Planet Xing is clearly not ethical, so most of his problems are insignificant in comparison.comparison: he thinks his EvilLaugh is too scary for the Supermen and apologizes for it and insists on being quiet in a library, for example.
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* Played for HypocriticalHumor in ''Animation/HappyHeroes''. Huo Haha is genuinely interested in killing the president of Planet Xing, but has problems with things being too unethical for his tastes, such as thinking his evil laugh EvilLaugh is too scary for the Supermen and apologizing for it. Killing the president of Planet Xing is clearly not ethical, so most of his problems are insignificant in comparison.
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* Played for HypocriticalHumor in ''Animation/HappyHeroes''. Huo Haha is genuinely interested in killing the president of Planet Xing, but has problems with things being too unethical for his tastes, such as thinking his evil laugh is too scary for the Supermen and apologizing for it. Killing the president of Planet Xing is clearly not ethical, so most of his problems are insignificant in comparison.
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* Played for HypocriticalHumor in ''Animation/HappyHeroes''. Huo Haha is genuinely interested in killing the president of Planet Xing, but has problems with things being too unethical for his tastes, such as thinking his evil laugh is too scary for the Supermen and apologizing for it. Killing the president of Planet Xing is clearly not ethical, so most of his problems are insignificant in comparison.
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The most common taboos of this type in contemporary Western works involve [[RapeIsASpecialKindOfEvil sexual violence]] or [[WouldntHurtAChild ill-treatment of children]]. [[PaedoHunt Or both at once]]. Common gangster-story examples are to have the NeighbourhoodFriendlyGangsters, by contrast with the RuthlessForeignGangsters, refuse to [[DrugsAreBad sell illegal drugs]] or to be disrespectful and abusive in their treatment of the [[UnproblematicProstitution women who they pimp]]. If your story takes place in a MobWar where [[BlackAndGreyMorality one side is slightly better than the other]], it's most likely because the "[[NeighbourhoodFriendlyGangsters good]]" side has standards. In older works, or historical fiction with authentic moral attitudes, common examples are breaches of SacredHospitality, [[TreacheryIsASpecialKindOfEvil treachery]] against [[MyMasterRightOrWrong one's leader]], or general [[IGaveMyWord breaches of oaths]].
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The most common taboos of this type in contemporary Western works involve [[RapeIsASpecialKindOfEvil sexual violence]] or [[WouldntHurtAChild ill-treatment of children]]. [[PaedoHunt Or both at once]]. Common gangster-story examples are to have the NeighbourhoodFriendlyGangsters, by contrast with the RuthlessForeignGangsters, refuse to [[DrugsAreBad sell illegal drugs]] or to be disrespectful and abusive in their treatment of the [[UnproblematicProstitution women who they pimp]]. If your story takes place in a MobWar where [[BlackAndGreyMorality one side is slightly better than the other]], it's most likely because the "[[NeighbourhoodFriendlyGangsters good]]" side has standards. In older works, or historical fiction with authentic moral attitudes, common examples are breaches of SacredHospitality, harming [[KinslayingIsASpecialKindOfEvil one's own family]], [[TreacheryIsASpecialKindOfEvil treachery]] against [[MyMasterRightOrWrong one's leader]], or general [[IGaveMyWord breaches of oaths]].
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[[caption-width-right:350:Even ''[[Characters/BatmanTheJoker gleefully psychotic, manipulative, mass-murdering clowns]]'' draw the line at [[Characters/MarvelComicsRedSkull Nazis]].]]
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[[caption-width-right:350:Even ''[[Characters/BatmanTheJoker gleefully psychotic, manipulative, mass-murdering clowns]]'' draw the line at if you're a [[Characters/BatmanTheJoker psycho clown]], nobody likes a [[Characters/MarvelComicsRedSkull Nazis]].Nazi]]. And even Joker still cares about the American way.]]
