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* In the late 20th century, the then (Tory) government of the UK refused to legalise cannabis on the grounds that "it leads to hard drugs". This was an indirect example of this trope; all evidence is that cannabis leads to hard drugs solely and precisely ''because'' it's illegal. If the only way to vote Tory was to visit your local pusher, voting Tory would lead to hard drugs.

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* In the late 20th century, the then (Tory) government of the UK refused to legalise cannabis on the grounds that "it leads to hard drugs". This was an indirect example of this trope; is the same "logic" as used in the ''Webcomic/TheNonAdventuresOfWonderella'' in Web Comics above; all evidence is that cannabis leads to hard drugs solely and precisely ''because'' it's illegal. If the only way to vote Tory was to visit your local pusher, voting Tory would lead to hard drugs.

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--> ''':Dr. Shark:''' Beccause, young man, Marijuana is ''illegal.''

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--> ''':Dr. Shark:''' Beccause, Because, young man, Marijuana is ''illegal.''


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* In the ''{{xkcd}}'' "[[http://xkcd.com/1052/ Every Major's Terrible]]" song, a theology major can be seen writing a proof that goes "X, therefore there exists X".
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* In ''Literature/ASongOfIceAndFire'', Ned explains the reason he must execute a deserter: because they know their life is forfeit if caught, they will balk at nothing and are thus the most dangerous people. If they ''weren't'' executed on sight, this might not be the case.

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* In ''Literature/ASongOfIceAndFire'', Ned explains the reason he must execute a deserter: because they know their life is forfeit if caught, [[DangerousDeserter they will balk at nothing and are thus the most dangerous people.people]]. If they ''weren't'' executed on sight, this might not be the case.
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* In the late 20th century, the then (Tory) government of the UK refused to legalise cannabis on the grounds that "it leads to hard drugs". This was an indirect example of this trope; all evidence is that cannabis leads to hard drugs solely and precisely ''because'' it's illegal. If the only way to vote Tory was to visit your local pusher, voting Tory would lead to hard drugs.
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* [[http://www.redstate.com/2013/06/08/a-faith-to-stand-firm/ This article]] exposes a logic bomb with the Scouts
-->''The Boy Scouts, as by now you know, has decided to allow in gay scouts while keeping two prohibitions. The first is that which prevents gay scout leaders. The second, which has gone mostly without notice, is the prohibition on sexual activity by scouts. This has put many Christians in a position they never asked to be in, in a fight they never asked for'' '''— if being gay is not a sin, but homosexual practice is a sin, how then are they to exclude gay scouts who cannot practice homosexuality?'''
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* The drunk in ''Literature/TheLittlePrince'' drinks. When asked why, he explains that he wants to forget. When asked what he wants to forget, he says that he wants to forget that he is ashamed. When asked about that, he explains that he is ashamed of drinking.

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* The drunk in ''Literature/TheLittlePrince'' drinks. encounters a tippler on his way to Earth. When asked why, why he drinks, the tippler explains that he wants to forget. When asked what he wants to forget, he says that he wants to forget that he is ashamed. When asked about that, he explains that he is ashamed of drinking.
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-->'''Moist:''' So what you are saying is that necromancy is a very bad form of magic performed only by evil wizards, and since you are not evil wizards, what you are doing cannot possibly be called necromancy?

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-->'''Moist:''' So what you are saying is that necromancy is a very bad form of magic performed only by evil wizards, and since you are not evil wizards, [[NoTrueScotsman what you are doing cannot possibly be called necromancy?necromancy?]]
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* In the JimmyNeutron TV movie, "The League of Villains", during a KangarooCourt, T is upset that he has to be the court's bouncer instead of being on the jury with the rest of the villains. When he asks why he can't be on the jury, the villains tell him that they already voted on it. He asks why he didn't get to vote, to which the response is, "Because you're not on the jury."

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* In the JimmyNeutron [[TheAdventuresOfJimmyNeutron Jimmy Neutron]] TV movie, "The League of Villains", during a KangarooCourt, T is upset that he has to be the court's bouncer bailiff instead of being on the jury with the rest of the villains. When he asks why he can't be on the jury, the villains tell him that they already voted on it. He asks why he didn't get to vote, to which the response is, "Because you're not on the jury."
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* In JimmyNeutron TV movie, "The League of Villains", during a KangarooCourt, T is upset that he has to be the court's bouncer instead of being on the jury with the rest of the villains. When he asks why he can't be on the jury, the villains tell him that they already voted on it. He asks why he didn't get to vote, to which the response is, "Because you're not on the jury."

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* In the JimmyNeutron TV movie, "The League of Villains", during a KangarooCourt, T is upset that he has to be the court's bouncer instead of being on the jury with the rest of the villains. When he asks why he can't be on the jury, the villains tell him that they already voted on it. He asks why he didn't get to vote, to which the response is, "Because you're not on the jury."
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* In JimmyNeutron TV movie, "The League of Villains", during a KangarooCourt, T is upset that he has to be the court's bouncer instead of being on the jury with the rest of the villains. When he asks why he can't be on the jury, the villains tell him that they already voted on it. He asks why he didn't get to vote, to which the response is, "Because you're not on the jury."
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* A sketch on ''ThatMitchellAndWebbLook'' had a group of government agents justify covering up the Roswell incident in this way. They could release all the information now in order to gather support and build defences against a possible invasion, but people will be angry with the government when they learn that aliens exist, especially if there is an invasion and it turns out that the government knew about them for decades but did nothing to help gather support and build defences.

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* A sketch on ''ThatMitchellAndWebbLook'' ''Series/ThatMitchellAndWebbLook'' had a group of government agents justify covering up the Roswell incident in this way. They could release all the information now in order to gather support and build defences against a possible invasion, but people will be angry with the government when they learn that aliens exist, especially if there is an invasion and it turns out that the government knew about them for decades but did nothing to help gather support and build defences.
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Deleted examples does not show circular reasoning. It shows zig-zag reasoning at best.


* This fallacy is often used by fundamentalists as "proof" that the Literature/TheBible is correct and error free:
-->'''Believer:''' "The Bible is literally true because it is the inerrant word of God."
-->'''Skeptic:''' "How do you know the Bible is the inerrant word of God?"
-->'''Believer:''' "It says so in the Bible. 2 Timothy 3:16, specifically."

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* This fallacy is often used by fundamentalists as "proof" that the Literature/TheBible is correct and error free:
-->'''Believer:''' "The Bible is literally true because it is the inerrant word of God."
-->'''Skeptic:''' "How do you know the Bible is the inerrant word of God?"
-->'''Believer:''' "It says so in the Bible. 2 Timothy 3:16, specifically."
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* Fix point in mathematics (and (co-)induction). Those are circular reasoning done in careful enough way that they work.
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* In Discworld/MakingMoney, this is why The Department of Post Mortem Communications can't be called necromancy:
-->'''Moist:''' So what you are saying is that necromancy is a very bad form of magic performed only by evil wizards, and since you are not evil wizards, what you are doing cannot possibly be called necromancy?
-->'''Dr. Hicks:''' Yes.
-->'''Moist:''' And what defines an evil wizard?
-->'''Dr. Hicks:''' Well, for a start, doing necromancy.
-->'''Moist:''' And because you're not evil wizards, what you're doing can't be called necromancy.
-->'''Dr. Hicks:''' Exactly!
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* The ''{{Catch-22}}'' of the novel of the same name is Circular Reasoning. The dialogue that explains it:

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* The ''{{Catch-22}}'' ''Literature/CatchTwentyTwo'' of the novel of the same name is Circular Reasoning. The dialogue that explains it:
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* In ''Literature/ASongOfIceAndFire'', Ned explains the reason he must execute a deserter: because they know their life is forfeit if caught, they will balk at nothing and are thus the most dangerous people. If they ''weren't'' executed on sight, this might not be the case.
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The simplest form of this is a tautology; see also ShapedLikeItself.
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* A version of this is used as a rhetorical device by legal scholars. Ask them why they criminalize something, most will answer "because its criminal." This is ''not'' actually an example of this trope, because "criminal" has multiple meanings.

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BeggingTheQuestion used recursively. A is true because B is true. B is true because C is true. C is true because D is true. D is true because A is true. The proof simply circles around and around, with nothing in it that it isn't being proved by itself.

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BeggingTheQuestion used recursively. A is true because B is true. B is true because C is true. C is true because D is true. D is true because A is true. The proof simply circles around and around, with nothing in it that it isn't being proved by itself.

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* ''Circulus in demonstrando''

:: BeggingTheQuestion used recursively. A is true because B is true. B is true because C is true. C is true because D is true. D is true because A is true. The proof simply circles around and around, with nothing in it that it isn't being proved by itself.

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* ''Circulus in demonstrando''

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BeggingTheQuestion used recursively. A is true because B is true. B is true because C is true. C is true because D is true. D is true because A is true. The proof simply circles around and around, with nothing in it that it isn't being proved by itself.
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* The drunk in ''TheLittlePrince'' drinks. When asked why, he explains that he wants to forget. When asked what he wants to forget, he says that he wants to forget that he is ashamed. When asked about that, he explains that he is ashamed of drinking.

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* The drunk in ''TheLittlePrince'' ''Literature/TheLittlePrince'' drinks. When asked why, he explains that he wants to forget. When asked what he wants to forget, he says that he wants to forget that he is ashamed. When asked about that, he explains that he is ashamed of drinking.
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** Even if this was true, it'd be a really weird thing to believe then suddenly finding out women in medieval paris [[BrokenAesop could vote on local affairs]].

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** Even if this was true, it'd be a really weird thing to believe then suddenly finding out women in medieval paris Paris [[BrokenAesop could vote on local affairs]].
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* A '''monarchy''' is a nation ruled by a monarch; a '''monarch''' someone who rules a monarchy. What with {{Hereditary Republic}}s, [[ElectiveMonarchy Elective Monarchies]], and Presidents-For-Life, that's about the clearest definitions there are, and political scientists often admit that sometimes the only difference between a monarchy and a republic are the titles involved.

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* A '''monarchy''' is a nation ruled by a monarch; a '''monarch''' someone who rules a monarchy. What with {{Hereditary Republic}}s, [[ElectiveMonarchy Elective Monarchies]], and Presidents-For-Life, that's about the clearest definitions there are, and political scientists often admit that sometimes [[PeoplesRepublicOfTyranny the only difference between a monarchy and a republic are the titles involved.involved]].
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* Knowingly used in ''Webcomic/BasicInstructions''.
--->'''Scott''': "They were better, because they were superior." That's a good point, on account of its quality.
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** This reasoning destroyed Alan Turing's life when his homosexuality came out. Despite having helped crack the Enigma code in WorldWar2 and save thousands of lives, along with doing brilliant work in computing, mathematics, robotics, etc. his security clearance was canceled. Undergoing chemical castration rather than go to prison, Turing became depressed and killed himself. In 2009, British Prime Minister GordonBrown finally issued an official apology.

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** This reasoning destroyed Alan Turing's life when his homosexuality came out. Despite having helped crack the Enigma code in WorldWar2 and save saving thousands of lives, along with doing brilliant work in computing, mathematics, robotics, etc. his security clearance was canceled. Undergoing Given the SadisticChoice of undergoing chemical castration rather than go to prison, or serve time in prison for his "gross indecency", Turing became depressed and killed himself. In 2009, British Prime Minister GordonBrown finally issued an official apology.
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** This reasoning destroyed Alan Turing's life when his homosexuality came out. Despite having helped crack the Enigma code in WorldWar2 and save thousands of lives, along with doing brilliant work in computing, mathematics, robotics, etc. his security clearance was canceled. Undergoing chemical castration rather than go to prison, Turing became depressed and killed himself. In 2009, British Prime Minister GordonBrown finally issued an official apology.
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** Conversely, this form of reasoning is used with embarassing frequency in denouncing religion altogether: Believer B in Religion A did horrible thing X in the name of Religion A, therefore Religion A causes people to commit horrible thing X.
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** Even if this was true, it'd be a really weird thing to believe then suddenly finding out women in medieval paris [[BrokenAesop could vote on local affairs]].
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** Conversely, this form of reasoning is used with embarassing frequency in denouncing religion altogether: Believer B in Religion A did horrible thing X in the name of Religion A, therefore Religion A causes people to commit horrible thing X.

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