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* {{Irony}}: A meta example--the novel has been banned/challenged many, ''many'' times over the years, with [[MoralGuardians most objectors]] citing profanity and/or sexual content. The inherent irony of this (Holden thinks kids should be shielded from "FUCK YOU"'s and sexy stuff, after all) always seems to evade them.
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** The title of the book comes from Holden mistaking a line from the song "Comin' Through the Rye". He thinks it's "If a body catch a body comin' through the rye", but it's really "If a body ''meet'' a body comin' through the rye."
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** The title of the book comes from Holden mistaking a line from the song "Comin' Through the Rye". He thinks it's "If a body catch a body comin' through the rye", but it's really "If a body ''meet'' a body comin' through the rye."rye".
* {{Irony}}: A meta example--the novel has been banned/challenged many, ''many'' times over the years, with [[MoralGuardians most objectors]] citing profanity and/or sexual content. The inherent irony of this (Holden thinks kids should be shielded from "FUCK YOU"'s and sexy stuff, after all) always seems to evade them.
* {{Irony}}: A meta example--the novel has been banned/challenged many, ''many'' times over the years, with [[MoralGuardians most objectors]] citing profanity and/or sexual content. The inherent irony of this (Holden thinks kids should be shielded from "FUCK YOU"'s and sexy stuff, after all) always seems to evade them.
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-->''The Egyptians were an ancient race of Caucasians residing in one of the northern sections of Africa. The latter as we all know is the largest continent in the Eastern Hemisphere. The Egyptians are extremely interesting to us today for various reasons. Modern science would still like to know what the secret ingredients were that the Egyptians used when they wrapped up dead people so that their faces would not rot for innumerable centuries. This interesting riddle is still quite a challenge to modern science in the twentieth century.''
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* ThisLoserIsYou: Holden is arguably this, being a self-loathing teenagers that hates everything and believes that only he is the OnlySaneMan in a world full of phonies.
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* ThisLoserIsYou: Holden is arguably this, being a self-loathing teenagers that hates everything and believes that only he is the OnlySaneMan in a world full of phonies.
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* ThisLoserIsYou: Holden is arguably this, being a self-loathing teenagers that hates everything and believes that only he is the OnlySaneMan in a world full of phonies.TradeYourPassionForGlory: Holden's thinks his brother D.B. has done this by writing for Hollywood.
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* TradeYourPassionForGlory: Holden's thinks his brother D.B. has done this by writing for Hollywood.
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* ConsummateLiar: Holden often makes up stories with people he meets. Often, it will be his age.
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* ConsummateLiar: Holden often makes up stories with people he meets. Often, it will be his age.
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* BittersweetEnding: [[spoiler:After so much self-destruction, Holden finally ends his runaway stunt and returns home thanks to Phoebe. His parents were probably mad at him, but in the epilogue he mentions he is going to go to another school to recover his year, and his last lines sound perhaps less angsty, if still characteristically snarky.]]
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* BittersweetEnding: [[spoiler:After so much self-destruction, Holden finally ends his runaway stunt and returns home thanks to Phoebe. His parents were probably mad at him, but in the epilogue he mentions he is going to go to another school to recover his year, and his last lines sound perhaps less angsty, if still characteristically snarky.]]
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* AmbiguousDisorder: It is heavily implied that Holden is suffering from undiagnosed mental disorder, probably a bipolar disorder or a clinical depression. For instance, he is definitely very cynical, doesn't eat or sleep enough, is constantly mentioning how lonely and depressed he is, has frequent crying spells, gets impulsive urges to commit ''suicide'', shows manic behavior whenever he tries to connect with someone ([[SanitySlippage especially noticeable later on in the book]]), suffers from frequent body and headaches for no reason, is an avid smoker and drinker (possibly as a form of self-medication), and is obviously traumatized over the suddenness of Allie and Castle's deaths.
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* {{Irony}}: A meta example - The novel has been banned/challenged many, ''many'' times over the years, with [[MoralGuardians most objectors]] citing profanity and/or sexual content. The inherent irony of this (Holden thinks kids should be shielded from "FUCK YOU"'s and sexy stuff, after all) always seems to evade them.
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* {{Irony}}: A meta example - The example--the novel has been banned/challenged many, ''many'' times over the years, with [[MoralGuardians most objectors]] citing profanity and/or sexual content. The inherent irony of this (Holden thinks kids should be shielded from "FUCK YOU"'s and sexy stuff, after all) always seems to evade them.
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** Carl Luce is noted as an In-Universe example by Holden, who points out this tendency to say "Certainly".
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* NiceHat: Holden's iconic red hunting cap.
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* DesperatelyLookingForAPurposeInLife: A group of children are playing on "some crazy cliff," and Holden's task is to [[TitleDrop catch]] them before they fall off the edge. Imagining this, he wishes it could be his purpose. Never mind the entire mental construct is based on a {{Mondegreen}}. Most Salinger characters are hothouse flowers; to survive, they need a rare element... one which the world could never provide.
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* DesperatelyLookingForAPurposeInLife: A group of children are playing on "some crazy cliff," and Holden's task is to [[TitleDrop catch]] them before they fall off the edge. Imagining this, he wishes it could be his purpose. Never mind the entire mental construct is based on a {{Mondegreen}}.mondegreen. Most Salinger characters are hothouse flowers; to survive, they need a rare element... one which the world could never provide.
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* MisaimedFandom: [[InvokedTrope Invoked]]. Holden does this with the song "Comin' Thru the Rye". It's actually about two lovers meeting in a field. Holden adopts it as an image of himself protecting children from their own inevitable maturity (especially sex) and phoniness (like, say, lying about where you're going and screwing some guy in a field instead). He [[{{Mondegreen}} mishears it]], after all. Interestingly, the word ‘rye’ might actually refer to [[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/River_Garnock#Rye_Water Rye Water]] in Scotland. The poem then discusses a girl named Jenny who lets her petticoat down and get wet instead of holding it up while crossing it, so she can push away the boys who would run by to kiss the girls who would hold their petticoats on one hand and whatever they were carrying on the other instead, leaving no free hand to ward off the boys. Holden decided to interpret the word ‘rye’ [[JustForFun/IThoughtItMeant as actual rye]], which is the more ‘adult’ version, but misinterprets the meaning of the poem as talking about kids playing in a rye field.
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* MisaimedFandom: [[InvokedTrope Invoked]]. Holden does this with the song "Comin' Thru the Rye". It's actually about two lovers meeting in a field. Holden adopts it as an image of himself protecting children from their own inevitable maturity (especially sex) and phoniness (like, say, lying about where you're going and screwing some guy in a field instead). He [[{{Mondegreen}} [[MondegreenGag mishears it]], after all. Interestingly, the word ‘rye’ might actually refer to [[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/River_Garnock#Rye_Water Rye Water]] in Scotland. The poem then discusses a girl named Jenny who lets her petticoat down and get wet instead of holding it up while crossing it, so she can push away the boys who would run by to kiss the girls who would hold their petticoats on one hand and whatever they were carrying on the other instead, leaving no free hand to ward off the boys. Holden decided to interpret the word ‘rye’ [[JustForFun/IThoughtItMeant as actual rye]], which is the more ‘adult’ version, but misinterprets the meaning of the poem as talking about kids playing in a rye field.
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* DrivenToSuicide: Holden mentions James Castle, a boy he knew at school committed suicide because of bullying. Castle called another boy, Phil Stabile, a "very conceited guy", so Stabile and six of his friends tried to force him to take it back.
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* DrivenToSuicide: Holden mentions James Castle, a boy he knew at school committed suicide because of bullying.bullying or something worse. Castle called another boy, Phil Stabile, a "very conceited guy", so Stabile and six of his friends tried to force him to take it back.
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* TheForties: Despite being published in the early [[TheFifties fifties]], it's obvious the novel is set in this decade. TV is never mentioned, {{newsreel}}s are still a thing, and everyone knows who Alfred Lunt and Lynn Fontanne are. More specifically, the Lunt-Fontanne play that Holden and Sally go to see (''I Know My Love'') places the story in December of 1949.
** Despite that, many reviewers and cultural commentators consider the novel's subjects as more emblematic of [[TheFifties fifties]], in its portrayal of a teenager rebelling against hypocrisy, social conventions, and hidden cruelty.
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* TheForties: Despite being published in the early [[TheFifties fifties]], it's obvious the novel is set in this decade. TV is never mentioned, {{newsreel}}s are still a thing, and everyone knows who Alfred Lunt and Lynn Fontanne are. More specifically, the Lunt-Fontanne play that Holden and Sally go to see (''I Know My Love'') places the story in December of 1949.
** Despite that,1949. However, it's worthy to note many reviewers and cultural commentators consider the novel's subjects as more emblematic of [[TheFifties fifties]], in due to its portrayal of a teenager rebelling against hypocrisy, social conventions, and hidden cruelty.
** Despite that,
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** Interestingly, Holden himself fits the popular perception explained in Luce's case, as he similarly identifies several gay people in the bars he visits. Moreover, he refers to how attractive Stradlater is all the damn time, including calling him a "sexy bastard" at least twice (though, as noted on the main page, this is most likely the result of HaveAGayOldTime and/or Holden trying deliberately to annoy him). Although Holden would be actually bi, given that, unlike Luce, he is unambiguously attracted to girls too.
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** Holden writes a paper about ancient Egypt, which reads thus: "The Egyptians were an ancient race of Caucasians residing in one of the northern sections of Africa. The latter as we all know is the largest continent in the Eastern Hemisphere. The Egyptians are extremely interesting to us today for various reasons. Modern science would still like to know what the secret ingredients were that the Egyptians used when they wrapped up dead people so that their faces would not rot for innumerable centuries. This interesting riddle is still quite a challenge to modern science in the twentieth century." That is the paper, in its entirety.
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* MoralityPet: Phoebe is the only character who Holden is nice to, since she symbolizes the [[ChildrenAreInnocent child-like innocence]] he wants to protect.
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* SexIsEvilAndIAmHorny: Holden doesn't really like the idea of casual sex without emotional attachment, but it is clear that he is still a hormonal teenage boy who checks out just about every female character that shows up and he even tries to hook up with a prostitute at one point. Likewise, when he sees a cross dressing man and a drunk couple playfully spitting liquid on each other in another building, he mentions how gross it all is but can't help but watch and feel aroused anyway.
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* SexIsEvilAndIAmHorny: Holden doesn't really like the idea of casual sex without emotional attachment, but it is clear that he is still a hormonal teenage boy who checks out just about every female character that shows up and he even tries to hook up with a prostitute at one point. Likewise, when he sees a cross dressing cross-dressing man and a drunk couple playfully spitting liquid on each other in another building, he mentions how gross it all is but can't help but watch and feel aroused anyway.
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* StylisticSuck: Very accurately done with Holden's one-paragraph essay on the ancient Egyptians. Possibly in-universe too; given that we see Holden is not exactly uncultured, it's easy to guess some of its silliness was him having fun with an exam he knew he hadn't studied enough to pass.
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* StylisticSuck: Very accurately done with Holden's one-paragraph essay on the ancient Egyptians. Possibly in-universe too; given that we see Holden is not exactly uncultured, it's easy to guess some of its silliness was him just having fun with an exam he knew he hadn't studied enough to pass.
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* VagueAge: Holden's age is not mentioned, but judging by him being in a preparatory school, he should be 16-17. The text is actually more effective this way, though - it only makes him more pitiable or his troubles that we don't know how much maturity he is supposed to have in his favor.
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* WritersCannotDoMath: In-universe. Phoebe writes about a girl detective named [[SpellMyNameWithAnS Hazle]] Weatherfield whose father is described as a "tall attractive gentleman about 20 years of age." This is admittedly odd, considering she's said to be 10 years old (well over the age in which children master the most basic math) and very smart in general. Maybe he was going to be revealed as not her real father at some point of the story?
* YoungerThanTheyLook: 17-year-old Holden Caulfield is 6'2" and has gray hairs. As such, [[InformedAbility he claims]] he can easily pass as an adult. But he's more often called out on being a minor than he is successfully able to pass. Sunny, for example, not only wouldn't believe he was 22, but may have also compared him to 13-year-old Freddie Bartholomew from the 1937 movie ''Captains Courageous''.
* YoungerThanTheyLook: 17-year-old Holden Caulfield is 6'2" and has gray hairs. As such, [[InformedAbility he claims]] he can easily pass as an adult. But he's more often called out on being a minor than he is successfully able to pass. Sunny, for example, not only wouldn't believe he was 22, but may have also compared him to 13-year-old Freddie Bartholomew from the 1937 movie ''Captains Courageous''.
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* WritersCannotDoMath: In-universe. Phoebe writes about a girl detective named [[SpellMyNameWithAnS Hazle]] Weatherfield whose father is described as a "tall attractive gentleman about 20 years of age." This is admittedly strikes as odd, considering she's said to be 10 years old (well old, well over the age in which most children master the most basic math) math, and very smart in general. Maybe Charitably speaking, it might be just a botched attempt to state that he looked youthful enough to pass as 20, or perhaps a weird way to tell the reader the gentleman was going to be revealed as secretly not her Hazle's real father at some point of the story?
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* YoungerThanTheyLook: 17-year-old Holden Caulfield is 6'2" and has gray hairs. As such, [[InformedAbility or so heclaims]] claims]], he can easily pass as an adult. But he's more often called out on being a minor than he is successfully able to pass. Sunny, for example, not only wouldn't believe he was 22, but may have also compared him to 13-year-old Freddie Bartholomew from the 1937 movie ''Captains Courageous''.
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* BookEnds: The first chapter reveals Holden's pathetic essay on the Ancient Egyptians. The last chapter show him teaching two little boys at a museum about the same subject.
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* RealisticDictionIsUnrealistic: You can practically call this book "Realistic Diction Is Unrealistic: The Novel". Holden (both in his InnerMonologue and in his spoken dialogue) and the majority of the other characters speak in either sloppy or imprecise language, frequently and unnecessarily repeating themselves while simultaneously losing track of the original subject, making keeping track of the narrative an awkward trial in of itself.
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* CoolTeacher: Subverted by Mr. Antolini, who comes off as this right up until he starts blatantly hitting in Holden.
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* BigManOnCampus: Stradlater, who [[IncrediblyLamePun straddles]] the line between JerkJock and LovableJock. Although he beats up Holden (in fact, while [[OverlyLongGag straddling]] him), he only does so after Holden already attacked him, and while he does seem to be a cocky flirt, he also seems to be a pretty good guy who genuinely likes spending time with Holden. On the other hand, he's implied to be [[ReallyGetsAround highly promiscuous]], having casual sex with women whose names he can't even bother to remember.
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* BigManOnCampus: Stradlater, who [[IncrediblyLamePun straddles]] the line between JerkJock and LovableJock. Although he beats up Holden (in fact, while [[OverlyLongGag straddling]] him), he only does so after Holden already attacked him, and while he does seem to be a cocky flirt, he also seems to be a pretty good guy who genuinely likes spending time with Holden. On the other hand, he's implied to be [[ReallyGetsAround highly promiscuous]], having casual sex with women whose names he can't even bother to remember.remember... sometimes pressuring them into doing things they don't want to do, leaving him somewhere two steps shy of date-rape. Holden, in fact, only attacks him after remembering how he treats his dates, realizing his date that night is someone Holden cares for.
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** DB is implied to be aShellShockedVeteran.ShellShockedVeteran.
** Holden looks to be a simple self-loathing misanthropist, but the more the story goes on, the more it becomes apparent that he's suffering from some kind of depression.
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* InsanityEstablishmentMoment: Holden's AmbiguousDisorder becomes clear when he starts talking to his dead brother, Allie, while walking, even though he's been dead 2 years.
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* TheForties: Despite being published in the early [[TheFifties fifties]], it's obvious the novel is set in this decade. TV is never mentioned, [[{{Newsreel}} newsreels]] are still a thing, and everyone knows who Alfred Lunt and Lynn Fontanne are. More specifically, the Lunt-Fontanne play that Holden and Sally go to see (''I Know My Love'') places the story in December of 1949.
** Despite that, many reviewers and cultural commentators consider the novel's subjects as more emblematic of [[TheFifties fifties]], in it's portrayal of a teenager rebelling against hypocrisy, social conventions, and hidden cruelty.
** Despite that, many reviewers and cultural commentators consider the novel's subjects as more emblematic of [[TheFifties fifties]], in it's portrayal of a teenager rebelling against hypocrisy, social conventions, and hidden cruelty.
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* TheForties: Despite being published in the early [[TheFifties fifties]], it's obvious the novel is set in this decade. TV is never mentioned, [[{{Newsreel}} newsreels]] {{newsreel}}s are still a thing, and everyone knows who Alfred Lunt and Lynn Fontanne are. More specifically, the Lunt-Fontanne play that Holden and Sally go to see (''I Know My Love'') places the story in December of 1949.
** Despite that, many reviewers and cultural commentators consider the novel's subjects as more emblematic of [[TheFifties fifties]], init's its portrayal of a teenager rebelling against hypocrisy, social conventions, and hidden cruelty.
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** Holden writes a paper about ancient Egypt, which reads thus: "The Egyptians were an ancient race of Caucasians residing in one of the northern sections of Africa. The latter as we all know is the largest continent in the Eastern Hemisphere. The Egyptians are extremely interesting to us today for various reasons. Modern science would still like to know what the secret ingredients were that the Egyptians used when they wrapped up dead people so that their faces would not rot for innumerable centuries. This interesting riddle is still quite a challenge to modern science in the twentieth century." That is the paper, in its entirety.
** The title of the book comes from Holden mistaking a line from the song "Comin' Through the Rye". He thinks it's "If a body catch a body comin' through the rye", but it's really "If a body ''meet'' a body comin' through the rye."
** Holden writes a paper about ancient Egypt, which reads thus: "The Egyptians were an ancient race of Caucasians residing in one of the northern sections of Africa. The latter as we all know is the largest continent in the Eastern Hemisphere. The Egyptians are extremely interesting to us today for various reasons. Modern science would still like to know what the secret ingredients were that the Egyptians used when they wrapped up dead people so that their faces would not rot for innumerable centuries. This interesting riddle is still quite a challenge to modern science in the twentieth century." That is the paper, in its entirety.
** The title of the book comes from Holden mistaking a line from the song "Comin' Through the Rye". He thinks it's "If a body catch a body comin' through the rye", but it's really "If a body ''meet'' a body comin' through the rye."
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* LecherousStepparent: There are some implications that Jane's alcoholic step-father is attracted to her.
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** The infamous passage in which Mr. Antolini strokes the forehead of a sleeping Holden. Even Holden himself is disturbed, fleeing Mr. Antolini's house right afterwards. Antolini's inquiries about Holden's girlfriends and the fact that he calls Holden "handsome" as he wishes him goodnight could be read as flirtatious advances as well.
** Carl Luce, who was said to be always grabbing guys' butts, and somehow seemed to know if anyone was gay. Note that, for a long time in America, spotting a gay man based on behavorial patterns (that is, by any way other than catching him having sex with a man) was seen as a surefire sign that ''you'' were gay. Gaydar was one of the main reasons so many people were expelled from Harvard in the 1920's, even if they were actually heterosexual or bisexual.
** Interestingly, Holden himself fits the popular perception explained in Luce's case, as he similarly identifies several gay people in the bars he visits. Moreover, he refers to how attractive Stradlater is all the damn time, including calling him a "sexy bastard" at least twice (though, as noted on the main page, this is most likely the result of HaveAGayOldTime and/or Holden trying deliberately to annoy him). Although Holden would be actually bi, given that, unlike Luce, he is unambiguously attracted to girls too.
** The infamous passage in which Mr. Antolini strokes the forehead of a sleeping Holden. Even Holden himself is disturbed, fleeing Mr. Antolini's house right afterwards. Antolini's inquiries about Holden's girlfriends and the fact that he calls Holden "handsome" as he wishes him goodnight could be read as flirtatious advances as well.
** Carl Luce, who was said to be always grabbing guys' butts, and somehow seemed to know if anyone was gay. Note that, for a long time in America, spotting a gay man based on behavorial patterns (that is, by any way other than catching him having sex with a man) was seen as a surefire sign that ''you'' were gay. Gaydar was one of the main reasons so many people were expelled from Harvard in the 1920's, even if they were actually heterosexual or bisexual.
** Interestingly, Holden himself fits the popular perception explained in Luce's case, as he similarly identifies several gay people in the bars he visits. Moreover, he refers to how attractive Stradlater is all the damn time, including calling him a "sexy bastard" at least twice (though, as noted on the main page, this is most likely the result of HaveAGayOldTime and/or Holden trying deliberately to annoy him). Although Holden would be actually bi, given that, unlike Luce, he is unambiguously attracted to girls too.
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-->"Anyway, he's dead now."
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-->"When something perverty like that happens, I start sweating like a bastard. That kind of stuff's happened to me about twenty times since I was a kid."
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** He tends to say something and begin the next sentence with "I mean", and then say the exact thing he said before without actually explaining what he means.
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* DrivenToSuicide: Holden mentions James Castle, a boy he knew at school committed suicide because of bullying. Castle called another boy, Phil Stable, a "very conceited guy", so Stabile and six of his friends tried to force him to take it back.
-->I won't even tell you what they did to him--it's too repulsive--but he still wouldn't take it back, old James Castle. And you should've seen him. He was a skinny little weak-looking guy, with wrists about as big as pencils. Finally, what he did, instead of taking back what he said, he jumped out the window.
-->I won't even tell you what they did to him--it's too repulsive--but he still wouldn't take it back, old James Castle. And you should've seen him. He was a skinny little weak-looking guy, with wrists about as big as pencils. Finally, what he did, instead of taking back what he said, he jumped out the window.
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* DrivenToSuicide: Holden mentions James Castle, a boy he knew at school committed suicide because of bullying. Castle called another boy, Phil Stable, Stabile, a "very conceited guy", so Stabile and six of his friends tried to force him to take it back.
-->I -->''I won't even tell you what they did to him--it's too repulsive--but he still wouldn't take it back, old James Castle. And you should've seen him. He was a skinny little weak-looking guy, with wrists about as big as pencils. Finally, what he did, instead of taking back what he said, he jumped out the window.''
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''->If you really want to hear about it, the first thing you’ll probably want to know is where I was born, and what my lousy childhood was like, and how my parents were occupied and all before they had me, and all that David Copperfield kind of crap, but I don’t feel like going into it, if you want to know the truth.''
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->If you really want to hear about it, the first thing you’ll probably want to know is where I was born, and what my lousy childhood was like, and how my parents were occupied and all before they had me, and all that David Copperfield kind of crap, but I don’t feel like going into it, if you want to know the truth.
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