History Headscratchers / TurtlesForever

* Krang and 80's Shredder recruited the Utrom Shredder in hopes of destroying the 8 cartoon turtles, so why did they try poisoning him?

** I admittedly haven't watched the show in years, but from what I recall, the mutations you got from ooze were pretty random.

*** The thing about ''TF'' is that it's written by the 2K3 show's writers, and I'm guessing that they were trying to be as respectful as they could while working with their own Turtles, who they know better. The writers weren't being disparaging toward the '87 show; at its worst it felt like AffectionateParody more than anything, and I honestly assume they were taking the older show's {{Flanderization}} to its logical extreme[[hottip:*:That is, the Flanderization that would have taken place if not for the Red Sky seasons, which were rightfully ignored anyway]]. It's worth noting that I'm a HUGE fan of the older show and never watched the 2K3 show (the idea of an alien Shredder was too weird for me), and I STILL enjoyed the '87 Turtles' roles in ''TF''--in truth, it made me remember how much fun the older show was.

* When Hun is mutated into a turtle, he can still talk, but earlier, one of his mooks was mutated into a dog and lacks the ability to speak.

* When Hun is mutated into a turtle, he can still act like a human, but earlier, one of his mooks was mutated into a dog and loses the ability to speak like a human.

* '''Could''' Ch'rell have ever completed his plan? In the last deleted scene, we see that as he gets close to killing the Mirage Turtles, everything else - including the giant fist that's crushing them - fades out of existence faster than the Turtles themselves. Which makes sense, metafictionally. But if they're still around when Ch'rell disappears, they'd survive, bounce back because their injuries have NoOntologicalInertia, everything else comes back, Ch'rell attacks again, they fight back -- nothing he could do would ever stick, and eventually they'd win, just because they can't ''lose''.

*** It's not that he's suicidal, just that he hates the turtles so much that the realization that there's ''hundreds'' of versions of them sends him off the deep end, to the point where he cares about nothing else except destroying them. He's clearly not thinking rationally at that point.

*** Maybe I missed the relevant episodes but nothing I saw portrays Che'rell as suicidal. I know he hates the turtles but he hates them enough to eliminate himself? Why?

** It's all meta. The universe the Turtles inhabit is the world of cartoons, comic books and video games. None of the franchise would exist if the original comic hadn't been created. Hence, destroying it destroys the Turtle-multiverse.

* What role do the Turtles have to the integrity of reality, exactly? Their cosmic connection to the fabric of existence seems to weigh pretty heavily, though for no discernible reason. They're silent protectors of New York City, but also the linchpin in holding together all that is and ever will be?

** Except that this is the Mirage Turtles from their first issue, where they were basically a parody of Frank Miller-type grim-n-gritty action.

* Is it me or are the original Turtles flanderized too? From what I've read in the comics it wasn't half as dark and depressing; that'd be pretty boring anyway.

* Is it me or are the original Turtles flanderized too? From what I've read in the comics it wasn't half as dark and depressing; that'd be pretty boring and too much like a NinetiesAntiHero story.

*** I skipped that series aside from an episode so that may be why it's odd. But if that's their design then... Ew.

* The 2003 Turtles designs. Can I say "Ew?" I'm a fan of that series more then the 80s one, but their designs in this special put me off toward the others. Plus their personalities..

** I may not have much to say about their personalities, but their designs were just fine, they were the designs from Back To The Sewer, but got rid of the visible eyes... There's not much that's different.

** The CharacterExaggeration of the '87 Turtles really bugged me too. Sure they threw the old series a bone every now and then, but to me it seemed like most of the time the '87 turtles were only there to be made fun of, so everyone could see how much more "awesome" the 2003 series apparently is. I did enjoy seeing the ''original'' turtles wipe the smug looks off the 2003 turtles faces though.

** The CharacterExaggeration of the '87 Turtles was what really bugged me too. Sure they threw the old series a bone every now and then, but it seemed like most of the time the '87 turtles were only there to be made fun of, so everyone could see how much more "awesome" the 2003 turtles apparently are.

* The 2003 Turtles designs. Can I say "Ew?" I'm a fan of that series more then the 80s one, but their designs in this special put me off toward the others. Plus their personalities..

** [[{{Designated Hero}} Because the original Mirage Turtles are not actually heroes. They are psychotic anti-heroes who just happen to horribly butcher criminals. Being selfless and heroic is not in their nature.]]

* Okay, if the Technodrome has alledgedly been driving around the Mirage version of New York and destroying buildings all night, why are the Mirage Turtles wasting their time messing about on the rooftops and trying to kill their counterparts instead of trying to do something about it?

** For all the talk that the 2K3 Shredder is the most competent Shredder, it's actually pretty consistent with Ch'rell's established personality that he wouldn't question a minor detail like that.

* Okay, if the Technodrome has alledgedly been driving around the Mirage version of New York and destroying buildings all night, why are the Mirage Turtles wasting their time messing about on the rooftops and trying to kill their counterparts instead of trying to do something about it?

* Okay, if the Technodrome has alledgedly been driving around the Mirage version of New York and destroying buildings all night, why are the Mirage Turtles wasting their time messing about on the rooftops and trying to kill their counterparts instead of trying to do something about it straight away?

* Why did April and Casey just stop and let themselves be erased by the white void?