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*** Did I say "picked" and "pick?" I meant "gotten" and "get." Regardless even if this was the case couldn't the forces there invoked have exercised a ''some'' measure of scrutiny!? Surely those forces had the power to choose which dead people became which heroes, unless a certain [[spoiler: "goddess"]] was deliberately meddling in affairs to her advantage. In which case I recind my argument.

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*** Did I say "picked" and "pick?" I meant "gotten" and "get." Regardless even if this was the case couldn't the forces there invoked have exercised a ''some'' measure of scrutiny!? Surely those forces had the power to choose which dead people became which heroes, unless a certain [[spoiler: "goddess"]] was deliberately meddling in affairs to her advantage. In which case I recind my argument.argument.
*** It's just another jab at the "Isekai"-genre in general. Consider how many of those protagonists have a tendency to be loners, losers, neets, otakus or people so bland and insignificant or plain insufferable that they need to enter a whole different universe just to stick out from the background, the selection process might go by the priority of "pick people that '''nobody''' will notice or miss in their original worlds". The poor selection of these four are just the testament on how poorly it would turn out to have these kind of people dragged into this kind of situation with four different heroes to further be deconstructed. The four types being The AntiHero (Naofumi), the IdiotHero (Motoyasu), the IdealHero (Itsuki) and TheDrifter (Ren)being deconstructed down to the core.
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*** Did I say "picked" and "pick?" I meant "gotten" and "get." Regardless even if this was the case couldn't the forces there invoked have exercised a ''some'' measure of scrutiny!? Surely those forces had the power to choose which dead people became which heroes, unless a certain -"goddess"- was deliberately meddling in affairs to her advantage. In which case I recind my argument.

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*** Did I say "picked" and "pick?" I meant "gotten" and "get." Regardless even if this was the case couldn't the forces there invoked have exercised a ''some'' measure of scrutiny!? Surely those forces had the power to choose which dead people became which heroes, unless a certain -"goddess"- [[spoiler: "goddess"]] was deliberately meddling in affairs to her advantage. In which case I recind my argument.
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*** Did I say "picked" and "pick?" I meant "gotten" and "get." Regardless even if this was the case couldn't the forces there invoked have exercised a ''some'' measure of scrutiny!? Surely those forces had the power to choose which dead people became which heroes, unless a certain "goddess" was deliberately meddling in affairs to her advantage. In which case I recind my argument.

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*** Did I say "picked" and "pick?" I meant "gotten" and "get." Regardless even if this was the case couldn't the forces there invoked have exercised a ''some'' measure of scrutiny!? Surely those forces had the power to choose which dead people became which heroes, unless a certain "goddess" -"goddess"- was deliberately meddling in affairs to her advantage. In which case I recind my argument.
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** You're presuming that the summoners actually get to ''pick'' the candidates for the four weapons before summoning them. That said, the summoning ritual is practically a "cacha game" on a insane scale. You put the coin in and what you receive is what you got.

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** You're presuming that the summoners actually get to ''pick'' the candidates for the four weapons before summoning them. That said, the summoning ritual is practically a "cacha game" on a insane scale. You put the coin in and what you receive is what you got.got.
***Did I say "picked" and "pick?" I meant "gotten" and "get." Regardless even if this was the case couldn't the forces there invoked have exercised a ''some'' measure of scrutiny!? Surely those forces had the power to choose which dead people became which heroes, unless a certain "goddess" was deliberately meddling in affairs to her advantage. In which case I recind my argument.
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* Of all the people they could've picked to wield the Spear why did it have to be a gullible, stubbornly deluded, skirt chasing imbecile like Motoyasu Kitamura, who believes women can't be wrong or evil and refuses to live outside his own little world!? Were they so desperate that they couldn't pick someone smarter or wiser!?

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* Of all the people they could've picked to wield the Spear why did it have to be a gullible, stubbornly deluded, skirt chasing imbecile like Motoyasu Kitamura, who believes women can't be wrong or evil and refuses to live outside his own little world!? Were they so desperate that they couldn't pick someone smarter or wiser!?wiser!?
** You're presuming that the summoners actually get to ''pick'' the candidates for the four weapons before summoning them. That said, the summoning ritual is practically a "cacha game" on a insane scale. You put the coin in and what you receive is what you got.
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* Of all the people they could've picked to wield the Spear why did it have to be a gullible, stubbornly deluded, skirt chasing imbecile like Motoyasu Kitamura, who believes women can't be wrong or evil and refuses to live outside their own little world!? Were they so desperate that they couldn't pick someone smarter or wiser!?

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* Of all the people they could've picked to wield the Spear why did it have to be a gullible, stubbornly deluded, skirt chasing imbecile like Motoyasu Kitamura, who believes women can't be wrong or evil and refuses to live outside their his own little world!? Were they so desperate that they couldn't pick someone smarter or wiser!?
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* Why did the anime change Fitoria's threat to Naofumi? In episode 16, 17 and 18, Fitoria is criticizing Naofumi that he didn't try to make up with the other heroes. The anime plays it off like Naofumi, the victim of the situation, is the one solely at fault for the things that have happened to him. Yet this doesn't make sense as no one would bother to help Naofumi, never mind try to hear him out, and Fitoria should already know this as she knows that the Shield Hero is hated in Melromarc. For anyone who's read the LN or Manga, this interaction doesn't exist instead it's just her demanding that Naofumi to bury his grudges; unconcerned by what they where.

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* Why did the anime change Fitoria's threat to Naofumi? In episode 16, 17 and 18, Fitoria is criticizing Naofumi that he didn't try to make up with the other heroes. The anime plays it off like Naofumi, the victim of the situation, is the one solely at fault for the things that have happened to him. Yet this doesn't make sense as no one would bother to help Naofumi, never mind try to hear him out, and Fitoria should already know this as she knows that the Shield Hero is hated in Melromarc. For anyone who's read the LN or Manga, this interaction doesn't exist instead it's just her demanding that Naofumi to bury his grudges; unconcerned by what they where.where.
* Of all the people they could've picked to wield the Spear why did it have to be a gullible, stubbornly deluded, skirt chasing imbecile like Motoyasu Kitamura, who believes women can't be wrong or evil and refuses to live outside their own little world!? Were they so desperate that they couldn't pick someone smarter or wiser!?
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* Why did the anime change Fitoria's threat to Naofumi? In episode 16 and 17, Fitoria is criticizing Naofumi that he didn't try to make up with the other heroes. The anime plays it off like Naofumi, the victim of the situation, is the one solely at fault for the things that have happened to him. Yet this doesn't make sense as no one would bother to help Naofumi, never mind try to hear him out, and Fitoria should already know this as she knows that the Shield Hero is hated in Melromarc. For anyone who's read the LN or Manga, this interaction doesn't exist instead it's just her demanding that Naofumi to bury his grudges; unconcerned by what they where.

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* Why did the anime change Fitoria's threat to Naofumi? In episode 16 16, 17 and 17, 18, Fitoria is criticizing Naofumi that he didn't try to make up with the other heroes. The anime plays it off like Naofumi, the victim of the situation, is the one solely at fault for the things that have happened to him. Yet this doesn't make sense as no one would bother to help Naofumi, never mind try to hear him out, and Fitoria should already know this as she knows that the Shield Hero is hated in Melromarc. For anyone who's read the LN or Manga, this interaction doesn't exist instead it's just her demanding that Naofumi to bury his grudges; unconcerned by what they where.
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** There's also the fact that he, in part, raised her after buying her as a slave. He might have some lingering paternal feelings for Raphtalia and that becomes too much {{Squick}} for him to consider a romantic relationship for his surrogate daughter.

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** There's also the fact that he, in part, raised her after buying her as a slave. He might have some lingering paternal feelings for Raphtalia and that becomes too much {{Squick}} for him to consider a romantic relationship for his surrogate daughter.daughter.
* Why did the anime change Fitoria's threat to Naofumi? In episode 16 and 17, Fitoria is criticizing Naofumi that he didn't try to make up with the other heroes. The anime plays it off like Naofumi, the victim of the situation, is the one solely at fault for the things that have happened to him. Yet this doesn't make sense as no one would bother to help Naofumi, never mind try to hear him out, and Fitoria should already know this as she knows that the Shield Hero is hated in Melromarc. For anyone who's read the LN or Manga, this interaction doesn't exist instead it's just her demanding that Naofumi to bury his grudges; unconcerned by what they where.
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*** In the web novel, he really is that dense. Even Motoyasu calls him out on it in Chapter 100.

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*** In the web novel, he really is that dense. Even Motoyasu [[IdiotHero Motoyasu]] even calls him out on it in Chapter 100.
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* It's said that you need all four heroes to stop the Waves, so what was the plan if king or the church HAD killed the shield hero? The only way to summon another shield hero would be to kill all the other heroes and then you're back in the same spot.

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* It's said that you need all four heroes to stop the Waves, so what was the plan if the king or the church HAD killed the shield hero? Shield Hero? The only way to summon another shield hero would be to kill all the other heroes and then you're back in the same spot.



** your forgetting at least the bow and sword hero think this is a game. How many games have you toppled a government in and then gone back to and made sure its still doing well? or do you just assume once you have done the quest things work themselves out once you shut the game off? same scenario for them.

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** %%** your forgetting at least the bow and sword hero think this is a game. How many games have you toppled a government in and then gone back to and made sure its still doing well? or do you just assume once you have done the quest things work themselves out once you shut the game off? same scenario for them.
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** He also knows that he'll go back to his own world eventually, and there's no apparent way to take anyone with him. He wouldn't want any hearts broken when that time comes.

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** He also knows that he'll go back to his own world eventually, and there's no apparent way to take anyone with him. He wouldn't want any hearts broken when that time comes.comes.
** There's also the fact that he, in part, raised her after buying her as a slave. He might have some lingering paternal feelings for Raphtalia and that becomes too much {{Squick}} for him to consider a romantic relationship for his surrogate daughter.
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** your forgetting at least the bow and sword hero think this is a game. How many games have you toppled a government in and then gone back to and made sure its still doing well? or do you just assume once you have done the quest things work themselves out once you shut the game off? same scenario for them.
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** He could be oblivious due to lingering trust issues. Or he could be refusing to pursue said relationship due to said trust issues in addition to the above.

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** He could be oblivious due to lingering trust issues. Or he could be refusing to pursue said relationship any relationships due to said trust issues in addition to the above.
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* Just one, but it's a big one: what does everyone have against this guy? Everyone despises him right from the first, no exceptions. Why?
** They don't really have anything against him specifically. Everybody hates him because he's the Shield Hero. The Shield Hero has historically always been loved and worshipped as the personal hero of demi-humans, whom everybody in that specific kingdom hates with a burning passion. So since he's the Shield Hero, they want to do everything they can to ruin him... and in the process are turning him into the very hero of demi-humans they want to prevent.

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* Just one, but it's a big one: what does everyone have against this guy? Everyone despises him right from the first, beginning, no exceptions. Why?
** They don't really have anything against him specifically.personally. Everybody hates him because he's the Shield Hero. The Shield Hero has historically always been loved and worshipped as the personal hero of demi-humans, whom everybody in that specific kingdom hates with a burning passion. So since he's the Shield Hero, they want to do everything they can to ruin him... and in the process are turning him into the very hero of demi-humans they want to prevent.



* Its said that you need all four heroes to stop the waves, so what was the plan if king or the church HAD killed the shield hero? The only way to summon another shield hero would be to kill all the other heroes and then you're back in the same spot.

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* Its It's said that you need all four heroes to stop the waves, Waves, so what was the plan if king or the church HAD killed the shield hero? The only way to summon another shield hero would be to kill all the other heroes and then you're back in the same spot.



** They were thoughtless and selfish, not to mention that they are operating on video game-logic -- aka"everything resolves itself once the mission is over". To their credit, Ren and Itsuki do regret their failure after it's pointed out to them.

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** They were thoughtless and selfish, not to mention that they are operating on video game-logic game logic -- aka"everything aka "everything resolves itself once the mission is over". To their credit, Ren and Itsuki do regret their failure after it's pointed out to them.



** Naofumi might easily adapt to the rules of the current world when called for, but he draws the limit when it comes to legal ages. Even if Raphalia looks like a young adult, her "mind" is nowhere near her physical age. Hence why he'd rather wait until she's legal in "his" mind, once she matures due to passage of time and actual experience of life until then.

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** Naofumi might easily adapt to the rules of the current world when called for, but he draws the limit when it comes to legal ages. Even if Raphalia looks like a young adult, her "mind" is nowhere near her physical age. Hence why he'd rather wait until she's legal in "his" mind, once she matures after she's matured due to passage of time and actual experience of life until then.experiences.



** He also knows that he'll go back to his own world eventually, and there's no apparent way to take anyone with him. He probably doesn't want any hearts broken when that time comes.

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** He also knows that he'll go back to his own world eventually, and there's no apparent way to take anyone with him. He probably doesn't wouldn't want any hearts broken when that time comes.
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** He also knows that he'll go back to his own world eventually, and there's no apparent way to take anyone with him. He probably doesn't want to leave any hearts broken when that time comes.

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** He also knows that he'll go back to his own world eventually, and there's no apparent way to take anyone with him. He probably doesn't want to leave any hearts broken when that time comes.

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** They were thoughtless and selfish, hoping the situation would resolve itself after they left, (not to mention that they are operating on video game-logic, aka, "everything resolves itself once the mission is over"). To their credit, Ren and Itsuki do regret their failure after it's pointed out to them.

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** They were thoughtless and selfish, hoping the situation would resolve itself after they left, (not not to mention that they are operating on video game-logic, aka, "everything game-logic -- aka"everything resolves itself once the mission is over").over". To their credit, Ren and Itsuki do regret their failure after it's pointed out to them.



* I understand Naofumi not wanting to form a relationship with Raphtalia because she was still just a child when he found her. However from another point view, she did biologically matured or the reason he didn't want to because of Raphatalia's lack of mental maturation?
** Naofumi might easily adapt to the rules of the current world when called for, but he draws the limit when it comes to legal ages. Even if Raphalia looks like a young adult, her "mind" is nowhere near her physical age. Hence why he rather wait until she's legal in "his" mind, once hers matures due to passage of time and actual experience of life until then.

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* I understand Naofumi not wanting to form a relationship with Raphtalia because she was still just a child when he found her. However from another point of view, she did biologically matured mature, or the reason he didn't want to is it because of Raphatalia's lack of mental maturation?
** Naofumi might easily adapt to the rules of the current world when called for, but he draws the limit when it comes to legal ages. Even if Raphalia looks like a young adult, her "mind" is nowhere near her physical age. Hence why he he'd rather wait until she's legal in "his" mind, once hers she matures due to passage of time and actual experience of life until then.then.
** He could be oblivious due to lingering trust issues. Or he could be refusing to pursue said relationship due to said trust issues in addition to the above.
** He also knows that he'll go back to his own world eventually, and there's no apparent way to take anyone with him. He probably doesn't want to leave any hearts broken when that time comes.
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** They were thoughtless and selfish, hoping the situation would resolve itself after they left. To their credit, Ren and Itsuki do regret their failure after it's pointed out to them.

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** They were thoughtless and selfish, hoping the situation would resolve itself after they left.left, (not to mention that they are operating on video game-logic, aka, "everything resolves itself once the mission is over"). To their credit, Ren and Itsuki do regret their failure after it's pointed out to them.
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* I understand Naofumi not wanting to form a relationship with Raphtalia because she was still just a child when he found her. However from another point view, she did biologically matured or the reason he didn't want to because of Raphatalia's lack of mental maturation?

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* I understand Naofumi not wanting to form a relationship with Raphtalia because she was still just a child when he found her. However from another point view, she did biologically matured or the reason he didn't want to because of Raphatalia's lack of mental maturation?maturation?
** Naofumi might easily adapt to the rules of the current world when called for, but he draws the limit when it comes to legal ages. Even if Raphalia looks like a young adult, her "mind" is nowhere near her physical age. Hence why he rather wait until she's legal in "his" mind, once hers matures due to passage of time and actual experience of life until then.
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** He has no real offensive ability ([[MagikarpPower at first]]), so he has to rely on [[CounterAttack counter-attacks]] and more indirect methods. Because of this, he seems useless in fights, but those who underestimate him often regret it later.

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** He has no real offensive ability ([[MagikarpPower at first]]), so he has to rely on [[CounterAttack counter-attacks]] and more indirect methods. Because of this, he seems useless in fights, but those who underestimate him often regret it later.later.
* I understand Naofumi not wanting to form a relationship with Raphtalia because she was still just a child when he found her. However from another point view, she did biologically matured or the reason he didn't want to because of Raphatalia's lack of mental maturation?

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* Naofumi's shield can change forms and powers. Won't that make it an overpowered weapon and yet it looks upon by humans?

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\n** They were thoughtless and selfish, hoping the situation would resolve itself after they left. To their credit, Ren and Itsuki do regret their failure after it's pointed out to them.
* Naofumi's shield can change forms and powers. Won't that make it an overpowered weapon and yet it looks it's looked down upon by humans?humans?
** He has no real offensive ability ([[MagikarpPower at first]]), so he has to rely on [[CounterAttack counter-attacks]] and more indirect methods. Because of this, he seems useless in fights, but those who underestimate him often regret it later.
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** It's a case of DidntThinkThisThrough. [[SarcasmMode They think that the Shield Hero is so evil that killing him and the other heroes is worth the risk.]]

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** It's a case of DidntThinkThisThrough. [[SarcasmMode They think that the Shield Hero is so evil that killing him and the other heroes is worth the risk.]]]]
* Wait a minute, you mean to tell me that the Bow Hero brings down a corrupt government but he never even bothered to check up on them to see if they're alright? In fact, why did none of the other heroes (except Naofumi) ever check up on their good deeds?

* Naofumi's shield can change forms and powers. Won't that make it an overpowered weapon and yet it looks upon by humans?
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* Its said that you need all four heroes to stop the waves, so what was the plan if king or the church HAD killed the shield hero? The only way to summon another shield hero would be to kill all the other heroes and then you're back in the same spot.

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* Its said that you need all four heroes to stop the waves, so what was the plan if king or the church HAD killed the shield hero? The only way to summon another shield hero would be to kill all the other heroes and then you're back in the same spot.spot.
** It's a case of DidntThinkThisThrough. [[SarcasmMode They think that the Shield Hero is so evil that killing him and the other heroes is worth the risk.]]
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** To add on to all the previous reasons mentioned, he was accused of raping the princess...in a matriarchist kingdom. That's probably the worst sin you could commit there. She lied, of course, but the King was predisposed to both believing his daughter AND hating the Shield Hero [[ItsPersonal for his own reasons]], so he effectively turned the whole kingdom against the guy.

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** To add on to all the previous reasons mentioned, he was accused of raping the princess...in a matriarchist kingdom. That's probably the worst sin you could commit there. She lied, of course, but the King was predisposed to both believing his daughter AND hating the Shield Hero [[ItsPersonal for his own reasons]], so he effectively turned the whole kingdom against the guy.guy.
* Its said that you need all four heroes to stop the waves, so what was the plan if king or the church HAD killed the shield hero? The only way to summon another shield hero would be to kill all the other heroes and then you're back in the same spot.
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** Read the manga or the LN. There are some characters that hate him because they're projecting their hatred of demi-humans onto the figure of the Shield Hero. Others hate him because of the political reason mentioned above.

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** Read the manga or the LN. There are some characters that hate him because they're projecting their hatred of demi-humans onto the figure of the Shield Hero. Others hate him because of the political reason mentioned above.above.
** To add on to all the previous reasons mentioned, he was accused of raping the princess...in a matriarchist kingdom. That's probably the worst sin you could commit there. She lied, of course, but the King was predisposed to both believing his daughter AND hating the Shield Hero [[ItsPersonal for his own reasons]], so he effectively turned the whole kingdom against the guy.
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** They don't really have anything against him specifically. Everybody hates him because he's the Shield Hero. The Shield Hero has historically always been loved and worshiped as the personal hero of demi-humans, whom everybody in that specific kingdom hate with a burning passion. So since he's the Shield Hero, they want to do everything they can to ruin him... and in the process are turning him into the very hero of demi-humans they want to prevent.
** Read the manga or the LN. There are some characters thath hate him because they're proyecting their hatred of demi-humans onto the figure of the Shield Hero. Others hate him because of the political reason mentioned above.

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** They don't really have anything against him specifically. Everybody hates him because he's the Shield Hero. The Shield Hero has historically always been loved and worshiped worshipped as the personal hero of demi-humans, whom everybody in that specific kingdom hate hates with a burning passion. So since he's the Shield Hero, they want to do everything they can to ruin him... and in the process are turning him into the very hero of demi-humans they want to prevent.
** Read the manga or the LN. There are some characters thath that hate him because they're proyecting projecting their hatred of demi-humans onto the figure of the Shield Hero. Others hate him because of the political reason mentioned above.
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** They don't really have anything against him specifically. Everybody hates him because he's the Shield Hero. The Shield Hero has historically always been loved and worshiped as the personal hero of demi-humans, whom everybody in that specific kingdom hate with a burning passion. So since he's the Shield Hero, they want to do everything they can to ruin him... and in the process are turning him into the very hero of demi-humans they want to prevent.

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** They don't really have anything against him specifically. Everybody hates him because he's the Shield Hero. The Shield Hero has historically always been loved and worshiped as the personal hero of demi-humans, whom everybody in that specific kingdom hate with a burning passion. So since he's the Shield Hero, they want to do everything they can to ruin him... and in the process are turning him into the very hero of demi-humans they want to prevent.prevent.
** Read the manga or the LN. There are some characters thath hate him because they're proyecting their hatred of demi-humans onto the figure of the Shield Hero. Others hate him because of the political reason mentioned above.
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* Just one, but it's a big one: what does everyone have against this guy? Everyone despises him right from the first, no exceptions. Why?

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* Just one, but it's a big one: what does everyone have against this guy? Everyone despises him right from the first, no exceptions. Why?Why?
**They don't really have anything against him specifically. Everybody hates him because he's the Shield Hero. The Shield Hero has historically always been loved and worshiped as the personal hero of demi-humans, whom everybody in that specific kingdom hate with a burning passion. So since he's the Shield Hero, they want to do everything they can to ruin him... and in the process are turning him into the very hero of demi-humans they want to prevent.
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