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** Another possibilty is that they were bogged down fighting the mercenaries somewhere else on the helicarrier.
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***Also, we briefly do see the National Guard engaging the Chitauri during the final battle-though they only consist of a few Humvees and infantry. It possible that, had the WSC not jumped the gun and launched the nuke, heavier firepower would've been brought in.
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** Who says it's public knowledge that the missile was a nuke? Its detonation and fallout took place in another universe; for all the public needs to know, it was a conventional weapon left over from Stark Industries' bad old days, that Tony called up to blast the aliens where they lived. The EMP that took out the Chitauri was due to their own ship's reactors going critical when the missile scored a direct hit.
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** Who says it's public knowledge that the missile was a nuke? Its detonation and fallout took place in another some distant corner of the universe; for all the public needs to know, it was a conventional weapon left over from Stark Industries' bad old days, that Tony called up to blast the aliens where they lived. The EMP that took out the Chitauri was due to their own ship's reactors going critical when the missile scored a direct hit.hit ... right? ''Trust us'', we're the World Security Council!
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** It's touched upon in ''Black Widow''. Nat explains that she helped Hawkeye take out the director of the Red Room as the final step in her defection. The process involved rigging a building with explosives, blowing it up, a shootout with the Hungarian special forces, and hiding out in an air vent until they could get out of the country.
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** In large part, the reason they don't like people using cell phones on planes is partially due to the navigation systems, but also because if there's an emergency announcement, they need to you to be paying attention '''NOW''', not busy playing Candy Crush or whatever.
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** And flying is probably lots ''faster'' than floating, when traversing the ocean. It's lots easier to push aside millions of square feet of air than thousands of tons of water. As for the cloaking, even a ship with a camouflage screen is going to leave an obvious wake in the water if it's moving, and ripples even if stationary. Tough luck covering ''those'' with mimetic cloaking.
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** And flying is probably lots ''faster'' than floating, when traversing the ocean. It's lots easier to push aside millions of square feet of air than thousands of tons of water. As for the cloaking, even a ship with a camouflage screen is going to leave an obvious wake in the water behind it if it's moving, and ripples all around it even if stationary. Tough luck covering coating ''those'' with a mimetic cloaking.grid.
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** And flying is probably lots ''faster'' than floating, when traversing the ocean. It's lots easier to push aside millions of square feet of air than thousands of tons of water.
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** And flying is probably lots ''faster'' than floating, when traversing the ocean. It's lots easier to push aside millions of square feet of air than thousands of tons of water. As for the cloaking, even a ship with a camouflage screen is going to leave an obvious wake in the water if it's moving, and ripples even if stationary. Tough luck covering ''those'' with mimetic cloaking.
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** And flying is probably lots ''faster'' than floating, when traversing the ocean. It's lots easier to push aside millions of square feet of air than thousands of tons of water.
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** This troper personally never heard of shawarma before this movie made a meme out of it, and I've lived near 3 Middle Eastern markets in my lifetime. Also that time spent in the middle east was hardly a food tour. Tony hadn't even been there more than a day before being kidnapped.
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** This troper personally never heard of shawarma before this movie made a meme out of it, and I've lived near 3 Middle Eastern markets in my lifetime. Also that That time spent in the middle east was hardly a food tour. Tony hadn't even been there more than a day before being kidnapped.
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** It does, however, very effectively pin down Loki on the Rainbow Bridge in the first Thor film. Loki reacts as though it is actually physically heavy, and he can't even slide around while it's on his chest.
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** Cap's body is capable of healing from injury far faster than the typical human, or even the peak human, thanks to the serum. The blast did do some significant damage, and if you pay attention, he doesn't take the shot and then immediately pop back up, he's down for at least two minutes. That two minutes was sufficient for him to heal enough to walk and fight.
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** For an illustration of this response in action, watch ''WesternAnimation/SpiderManIntoTheSpiderVerse''. It explores what happens when mutually-exclusive yet equally canon parallel worlds collide. We might even get something similar in the next Doctor Strange movie, given that it has "multiverse" in the title.
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** Yeah, it sounds like a warning that TakingYouWithMe is going to be their last option if they can't stop the invasion. As in "Even if we all die unsuccessfully defending Earth, we'll make sure that you'll be dead too."
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** From ''what'' distance? It's not super clear how far away he is from the ship since we don't really know the size of the ship.
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** If it's on the ocean instead of above it, that also doesn't threaten a major city. And pirates aren't much threat to an Aircraft Carrier today, much less a futuristic uber-carrier. About the only thing it would save them from is submarines. And there doesn't seem to be any reason they couldn't have cloaked the top.
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** This troper personally never heard of shawarma before this movie made a meme out of it, and I've lived near 3 Middle Eastern markets in my lifetime. Also that time spent in the middle east was hardly a food tour. Tony hadn't even been there more than a day before being kidnapped.
** It might be that the arc reactor can absorb that much power, but not generate it. Notice that Tony fires a big blast seconds after learning this, probably to avoid damage holding that big a charge would do. (Also it sets up team up attacks between Thor and Iron Man in later movies.
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** Yes and no? Long version: The Marvel comics multiverse technically makes it so that every iteration and incarnation of the characters and stories are one of their shared reality. The Earth in the MCU is called Earth-199999, but I would not expect to ever see the Tony Stark or Steve Rogers from the Stan Lee comics to make a universe hopping trip in future movies. Short version: MCU is standalone unless distinctly mentioned otherwise.
** Yes and no? Long version: The Marvel comics multiverse technically makes it so that every iteration and incarnation of the characters and stories are one of their shared reality. The Earth in the MCU is called Earth-199999, but I would not expect to ever see the Tony Stark or Steve Rogers from the Stan Lee comics to make a universe hopping trip in future movies. Short version: MCU is standalone unless distinctly mentioned otherwise.
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* Does the MCU also share the same canon with the Marvel comics universe, or is it in its own seperate continuity?
* Does the MCU also share the same canon with the Marvel comics universe, or is it in its own seperate continuity?
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* Absorb lightning and redirect it, and even have its power charged up to "''400%''" without it being completely fried? I cam accept this being the case as in most superhero-fiction, LightningCanDoAnything. And also I probably shouldn't be thinking about this since it's also a sci-fi story, but I'd still like an explanation.
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* Absorb lightning and redirect it, and even have its power charged up to "''400%''" without it being completely fried? I cam can accept this being the case as in most superhero-fiction, LightningCanDoAnything. And also I probably shouldn't be thinking about this since it's also a sci-fi story, but I'd still like an explanation.
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* Absorb lightning and redirect it, and even have it's its power charged up to "'''400%'''" "''400%''" without it being completely fried? I cam accept this being the case as in most superhero-fiction, LightningCanDoAnything. And also I probably shouldn't be thinking about this since it's also a sci-fi story, but I'd still like an explanation.
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* Absorb lightning and redirect it, and even have it's power charged up to "'''400%'''" without it being completely fried? I cam accept this being the case as in most superhero-fiction, LightningDoesntWorkThatWay.LightningCanDoAnything. And also I probably shouldn't be thinking about this since it's also a sci-fi story, but I'd still like an explanation.
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*At the end of the film, there are two young boys and one of them is telling the news about the Hulk.
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** A. Losing one single propeller does not mean they're going down. The whole sequence shows that it can stay in the air with two propellers down; Hill even says they'll only go down if the lose one ''more''. B. You're a lot ''less'' vulnerable to attack if the only thing that can get to you must also fly. That's going to eliminate attack by, for instance, every pirate on the planet. C. There is absolutely no basis for the idea that cloaking would be "just as effective in water" considering the only cloaking we see is on the ''bottom'', with the top remaining obviously an aircraft carrier. D. It's not about whether the Helicarrier is destroyed; it's about whether whatever is ''under it'' is destroyed. If it's over ocean, it's not threatening, for instance, a major city if it goes down. E. They're going to fly over ocean because 70% of the planet is ocean. They couldn't possibly ''avoid'' it.
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** The large number of angry things trying to kill them in Budapest was not as large and was not a bunch of shrieking aliens. That's it.
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I can see the value of flying to access landlocked areas ships otherwise can't, but why fly over oceans? Isn't this just going to cost far more fuel for no benefit? And it makes them way more vulnerable to attack, since losing a single propeller means they're going down. A hundred thousand ton ship crashing into the sea is going to be obliterated just as well as if it hit solid rock. Cloaking should be just as effective in water as in air, too.
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I can see the value of flying to access landlocked areas ships otherwise can't, but why fly over oceans? Isn't this just going to cost far more fuel for no benefit? And it makes them way more vulnerable to attack, since losing a single propeller means they're going down. A hundred thousand ton ship crashing into the sea is going to be obliterated just as well as if it hit solid rock. Cloaking should be just as effective in water as in air, too.
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* Film/IronMan is [[Film/{{Thor}} Loki's]] GoodCounterpart. Very clever, but has little idea of how to fight beyond AttackAttackAttack? DeadpanSnarker? Narcissistic? A total diva who's all about presentation and self-aggrandization? Prone to equally spectacular self-''destructive'' behavior? Bitterly jealous of the blond, nobler teammate who [[WellDoneSonGuy his father liked better]]? A big difference, of course, is Tony's experience in Afghanistan, which drastically changed his worldview. Loki is very close to a version of pre-Afghanistan Tony Stark GoneHorriblyWrong, albeit with far more jealousy and SiblingRivalry.
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* Film/IronMan ComicBook/IronMan is [[Film/{{Thor}} Loki's]] GoodCounterpart. Very clever, but has little idea of how to fight beyond AttackAttackAttack? DeadpanSnarker? Narcissistic? A total diva who's all about presentation and self-aggrandization? Prone to equally spectacular self-''destructive'' behavior? Bitterly jealous of the blond, nobler teammate who [[WellDoneSonGuy his father liked better]]? A big difference, of course, is Tony's experience in Afghanistan, which drastically changed his worldview. Loki is very close to a version of pre-Afghanistan Tony Stark GoneHorriblyWrong, albeit with far more jealousy and SiblingRivalry.
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