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** Loki clearly intended to kill Odin, and possibly Frigga, in that bedroom if Thor hadn't interrupted. Loki was immediately certain that Odin had mercilessly killed his innocent Frost Giant parents the moment he realized he was of their blood, and from then on his adopted family and Asgard--the place he had grown up in--were no longer worthy of his love or protection. The Warriors Three may have considered Loki a friend, but they did not seem to be particularly close to him, and vice versa; in fact, did not seem to have that much trouble turning on him when he became the enemy, and Loki in turn saw no qualms in trying to kill his former "friends" immediately after his [[FaceHeelTurn Face Heel Turn]]. Yes, Loki thought himself more responsible than Thor, and also better than him, and also everyone else. This arrogance facilitated his descent. His hand was never really "forced" throughout the movie; he plotted and planned most of what he reaped. To wit, this troper cannot see Tony Stark doing ''anything'' as heartless as the things Loki does in "Thor"; Tony Stark, remember, has a heart.
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** Loki clearly intended to kill Odin, and possibly Frigga, in that bedroom if Thor hadn't interrupted. Loki was immediately certain that Odin had mercilessly killed his innocent Frost Giant parents the moment he realized he was of their blood, and from then on his adopted family and Asgard--the place he had grown up in--were no longer worthy of his love or protection. The Warriors Three may have considered Loki a friend, but they did not seem to be particularly close to him, and vice versa; in fact, did not seem to have that much trouble turning on him when he became the enemy, and Loki in turn saw no qualms in trying to kill his former "friends" immediately after his [[FaceHeelTurn Face Heel Turn]]. Yes, Loki thought himself more responsible than Thor, and also better than him, and also everyone else. This arrogance facilitated his descent. His hand was never really "forced" throughout the movie; he plotted and planned most of what he reaped. To wit, this troper cannot see Tony Stark doing never does ''anything'' as heartless as the things Loki does in "Thor"; Tony Stark, remember, has a heart.
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* Why couldn't Thor pick up his hammer? It wasn't explained.
** In ''Thor'', he couldn't lift {{Mjolnir}} due to Odin stripping him of his power and enchanting Mjölnir so that it could only be lifted by someone worthy. Which was amply explained in that film, so I assume you mean instead ''The Avengers'', but Thor's never shown unable to lift Mjölnir during that movie. After his fall from the helicarrier he seems to take a moment to psych himself up before trying to pick it up, as though afraid he's somehow become unworthy again; then he picks it up with no difficulty.
** Exactly. He allowed himself to fall for Loki's trick again, and Coulson paid the price for it. He wasn't sure if he was still worthy.
** They probably did mean ''Thor'' even though it was amply explained. Sigh. He couldn't pick it up because he wasn't worthy until he was willing to sacrifice his own life for those of the innocent people that Loki was using the Destroyer to attack. He was still too arrogant to be worthy in the scene where he tried to lift it from the crater while under the S.H.I.E.L.D. tents.
** The OP was very likely meaning the Avengers and not Thor since he/she posted here. It was explained by a poster above but the scene is pretty odd since it appears as though Thor tries to summon it to his hand but fails at first.
** Thor never fails to lift Mjolnir in Avengers. It's just an artsy shot of him being upset over the events of the past few hours. There's no straining or confusion present. He stretches out his hand, then looks at his hand as though seeing it for the first time. It's a common sort of contemplative gesture in movies ("[[{{Film/TheNeverendingStory}} They look like good, strong hands, don't they?]]"). If falling for Loki's tricks was enough to make him unworthy, he'd never be able to lift the damn thing.
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* Why couldn't Thor pick up his hammer? It wasn't explained.
** In ''Thor'', he couldn't lift {{Mjolnir}} due to Odin stripping him of his power and enchanting Mjölnir so that it could only be lifted by someone worthy. Which was amply explained in that film, so I assume you mean instead ''The Avengers'', but Thor's never shown unable to lift Mjölnir during that movie. After his fall from the helicarrier he seems to take a moment to psych himself up before trying to pick it up, as though afraid he's somehow become unworthy again; then he picks it up with no difficulty.
** Exactly. He allowed himself to fall for Loki's trick again, and Coulson paid the price for it. He wasn't sure if he was still worthy.
** They probably did mean ''Thor'' even though it was amply explained. Sigh. He couldn't pick it up because he wasn't worthy until he was willing to sacrifice his own life for those of the innocent people that Loki was using the Destroyer to attack. He was still too arrogant to be worthy in the scene where he tried to lift it from the crater while under the S.H.I.E.L.D. tents.
** The OP was very likely meaning the Avengers and not Thor since he/she posted here. It was explained by a poster above but the scene is pretty odd since it appears as though Thor tries to summon it to his hand but fails at first.
** Thor never fails to lift Mjolnir in Avengers. It's just an artsy shot of him being upset over the events of the past few hours. There's no straining or confusion present. He stretches out his hand, then looks at his hand as though seeing it for the first time. It's a common sort of contemplative gesture in movies ("[[{{Film/TheNeverendingStory}} They look like good, strong hands, don't they?]]"). If falling for Loki's tricks was enough to make him unworthy, he'd never be able to lift the damn thing.
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** The Avengers were equipped by SHIELD. If any human being in the MCU would have access to communications gear so miniaturized and/or camouflaged as to effectively be invisible, it's superspy Nick Fury.
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* Okay, I can't be the only one wondering what the heck happened at Budapest. I know it's supposed to be a sort of funny throw away NoodleIncident but I still want to know.
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* Okay, I can't be the only one wondering what the heck happened at Budapest. I know it's supposed to be a sort of funny throw away NoodleIncident but I still want to know.
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** Considering Tony's suit was designed to operate in pretty much any environment and is made out comic book materials, it's pretty safe to assume that he added radiation proofing to it.
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** I'm assuming because I'm neither an expert on metals nor radiation, so I have no idea if it'd be enough. Would it be?
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** You're assuming the suit wouldn't protect him from that.
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* Amazingly, I've never seen anybody even ask this question - if the missile at the end of the film truly is a nuclear strike, shouldn't Tony have been ''drenched'' with a huge wave of radiation the instant the nuke went off? From that distance, there's no way he would have walked away from that even if he made it through the portal.
* Amazingly, I've never seen anybody even ask this question - if the missile at the end of the film truly is a nuclear strike, shouldn't Tony have been ''drenched'' with a huge wave of radiation the instant the nuke went off? From that distance, there's no way he would have walked away from that even if he made it through the portal.
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* [[DisneyDeath Tony was just unconscious]] and Hulk scared him awake.
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** Now here's a Watsonian answer: it's also an invasion that New York has zero time to prepare for. A hijacked plane or an ICBM is one thing, but a magc portal that suddenly appears and starts spitting out an invading alien army in the middle of the city is another. I'm not an expert on homeland security but it seems unlikely that there would be a response that could be effective before the Chitauri had gained a foothold. By then the Avengers were on the scene and the military might have elected to respect their perimeter and intervene only when a stray slipped through the cracks. I remember that a supplememtal comic established that the Avengers had contacted James Rhodes (on the other side of the world at the time) so its not inconceivable that they had coordinated with the local response to some extent.
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* One other possible explanation for the slapdash Chitauri tactics comes to mind, in the wake of subsequent movies in general and of ''Film/DoctorStrange'' in particular: [[spoiler: they could have been secretly ordered ''by Thanos'' to simply spread out and go on a rampage, causing as much chaos and danger to civilians as possible - never mind establishing a proper beachhead - in the hope of drawing out a response from ''the Ancient One and her wizards''. If they'd done enough damage to spur her to break out the Eye to try to forestall or reverse the harm they'd inflicted, the Chitauri could've quit toying with the Avengers and humoring Loki's megalomania, and called in the Black Order to dogpile her and snag possession of the '''other''' Infinity Stone hidden on Earth.]]
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** And the movie makes it appallingly clear that Loki does /not/ think that he is better than Thor; he's extremely jealous of all the love and attention his older brother gets, which gives the impression that being treated worse is not anything new to him, even before he finds out his origins. And Loki genuinely thought he was doing the right thing, from his perspective; kill the race that his realm is constantly under fire from. Thor wanted to go to war with the Jotun, and Loki is following in his footsteps. Sure, the dude is definitely misguided but I think 'heartless' and 'evil' are getting a little out of hand... [[spoiler: in the Thor movie, anyway.]]
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** And the movie makes it appallingly clear that Loki does /not/ think that he is better than Thor; he's extremely jealous of all the love and attention his older brother gets, which gives the impression that being treated worse is not anything new to him, even before he finds out his origins. And Loki genuinely thought he was doing the right thing, from his perspective; kill the race that his realm is constantly under fire from. Thor wanted to go to war with the Jotun, and Loki is following in his footsteps. Sure, the dude is definitely misguided but I think 'heartless' and 'evil' are getting a little out of hand... [[spoiler: in the Thor movie, anyway.]]
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** It's not the fall that kills you. It's the steel and glass on all sides of you suddenly shrapnelizing upon impact with the ground, turning into a spiky deathtrap of twisted metal and powdered glass on all sides of you that impales, rips, and shreds your body to pieces. Given that it was built for the Hulk, if it was just the fall alone, the cage would simply open the floor and ventilate the Hulk into the air; much cheaper to build for something that can't fly. That was the entire suspense with [[spoiler: Thor's descent: it wasn't that he needed to get out before he hit the ground, it was that he needed to get out of the cage before what we explicitly watched happen to the cage, happened with him inside of it.]]
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** It's not the fall that kills you. It's the steel and glass on all sides of you suddenly shrapnelizing upon impact with the ground, turning into a spiky deathtrap of twisted metal and powdered glass on all sides of you that impales, rips, and shreds your body to pieces. Given that it was built for the Hulk, if it was just the fall alone, the cage would simply open the floor and ventilate the Hulk into the air; much cheaper to build for something that can't fly. That was the entire suspense with [[spoiler: Thor's descent: it wasn't that he needed to get out before he hit the ground, it was that he needed to get out of the cage before what we explicitly watched happen to the cage, happened with him inside of it.]]
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** Some have suggested that Loki is out on the sidewalk with Mjolnir on his chest holding him down.
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* Where exactly is Loki during the shawarma scene? It's clearly just after the fight, since they're all wearing battle armour and the staf seems to be stil cleaning part of the debris... But Loki is nowere to be found. So, did the avengers tie him up and leave him outside the restaurant? Or did they actually went to have a shawarma right after Stark suggested it, and ''then'' they climbed up the tower just in time to stand all menacing while Loki woke up?
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* Where exactly is Loki during the shawarma scene? It's clearly just after the fight, since they're all wearing battle armour and the staf seems to be stil cleaning part of the debris... But Loki is nowere to be found. So, did the avengers tie him up and leave him outside the restaurant? Or did they actually went to have a shawarma right after Stark suggested it, and ''then'' they climbed up the tower just in time to stand all menacing while Loki woke up?
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** Remember in Iron Man when Tony tries to land on the roof of his house but it breaks under the weight of his suit? Well, ever since that, he builds all his floors and ceilings extra durable.
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** The fact that those giant rotors that keep it airborne are bound to be ''really loud'' when you get close to it probably helps keep birds away.
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* Thor is basically saying, “You really want to be king of a smoking pile of ash? Because that’s the only way this is going to play out if the Chitauri have their way.” There will be no coronation or parades or flowers, or anything Loki’s ego needs to be satisfied, there won’t even be any subjects to subjugate. Tony does not know about any backer, he means that either the Avengers will beat the invasion, or they’ll take Loki out as recompense, or they’ll just regroup and defeat the Chitauri on their second try. Or others will do the job, i.e. SHIELD, or the myriad of superpowered individuals that are coming/will come out if the woodwork, or even a civilian resistance force! It’s basically a jab at Loki’s claim that subjugation is mankind’s natural state.
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** As for Tony's little lecture, he's not implying anything about Loki having a backer, ''or'' about Earth never yielding to Loki's rule. He's outright ''warning'' Loki that, even if the Chitauri should rampage unchecked over the planet, Tony's team will make sure that '''Loki himself''' ends up ''buried under'' the resulting ruins rather than reigning over them.
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* Thor is basically saying, “You really want to be king of a smoking pile of ash? Because that’s the only way this is going to play out if the Chitauri have their way.” There will be no coronation or parades or flowers, or anything Loki’s ego needs to be satisfied, there won’t even be any subjects to subjugate. Tony does not know about any backer, he means that either the Avengers will beat the invasion, or they’ll take Loki out as recompense, or they’ll just regroup and defeat the Chitauri on their second try. Or others will do the job, i.e. SHIELD, or the myriad of superpowered individuals that are coming/will come out if the woodwork, or even a civilian resistance force! It’s basically a jab at Loki’s claim that subjugation is mankind’s natural state.
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Good lord we are getting into the realm of extreme microanalysis here. There's no answer to this question. It's just an effect of the blocking and where the actor's head happened to be pointing when they yelled Action.
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** Or, and both ''The Incredible Hulk'' and ''Thor: Ragnarok'' seem to back this up, the shot ''was'' fatal, but the Hulk grants him RessurectiveImmortality.
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** Or, and both ''The Incredible Hulk'' and ''Thor: Ragnarok'' seem to back this up, the shot ''was'' fatal, but the Hulk grants him RessurectiveImmortality.ResurrectiveImmortality.
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** Or, and both ''The Incredible Hulk'' and ''Thor: Ragnarok'' seem to back this up, the shot ''was'' fatal, but the Hulk grants him RessurectiveImmortality.
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* We all know the scene: Hawkeye fires a grenade arrow at Loki, Loki goes flying into Tony's apartment, and Hulk turns Loki into an Asgardian metronome. My question is, what the hell is that floor made out of? Not only does it withstand the Hulk's pounding Loki into the floor for the most part, it also ends up doing enough damage to Loki to leave him motionless for the remainder of the battle. Is the building frame made from adamantium or something?
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* We all know the scene: Hawkeye fires a grenade arrow at Loki, Loki goes flying into Tony's apartment, and Hulk turns Loki into an Asgardian metronome. My question is, what the hell is that floor made out of? Not only does it withstand the Hulk's pounding Loki into the floor for the most part, it also ends up doing enough damage to Loki to leave him motionless for the remainder of the battle. Is the building frame made from adamantium or something?
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* I was wondering because I've heard two different interpretations: When Thor calls out Loki during the end fight, and says the above line while making Loki look at the destruction that the Chitauri are making, what does he mean: Is he referring to Loki's previous words on the mountain, when Loki was talking about how the humans "slaughter each other," but he would put an end to that by ruling them (so is Thor calling out Loki's hypocrisy)? Or is he telling Loki that it's unlikely that Loki will even have the chance to rule Earth like he was promised because the Chitauri just savagely destroy the city and Thor believes that they won't even listen to Loki anymore if he should tell them to stop (so Thor is trying to make Loki aware that he's possibly being ripped off)?\\
Related to this; somewhere on the main page someone wrote that Tony's "there's no version of this where you come out on the top"-speech implies that Tony knows that Loki has a backer and is informing him that they will probably not let him keep Earth. I took the scene as Tony badass-boasting Loki and telling him that Earth will never stop fighting against him if even if he should manage to take over.
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** Coulson's met Darcy, he therefore knows that in the event of an alien invasion the proper course of action is to toss her at the aliens and run away so she annoys them to death.
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*** Bruce's comments in Ragnarok are also illustrative, because he mentions "Before it always felt like me and Hulk each had one hand on the wheel". Thus that means when they're struggling against each other for control the results are unpredictable and chaotic. During the Chitauri invasion they're both interested in steering the wheel the same way, they're "driving" together rather than against each other.
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** The helicarrier can probably create a no fly zone around itself and divert other aircraft. Or it flies at an altitude where civilian aircraft wouldn't fly. A bird would probably do little damage, but SHIELD probably has a device that causes birds to keep away.
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* Who thought it was a good idea to have the Helicarrier turn invisible? OK, it's for security, but what if a civilian plane or bird crashes into it?
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** I think I get the question. Imagine two coins set up on their rims on opposite ends of a tabletop. Let's suppose the coins are magic, in that, if an ant crawls up onto the Heads side of one coin, it instantly ends up on the Tails side of the second coin and vice-versa. Now, the movie's portal connects two points in space, but ''at each point'' manifests as flat, circular entity in 3D space, and thus would very likely have at least two sides, Front and Back. If the "Front" of the portal in space connected to the "Rear" side of the portal on Earth, it would seem to be the case that the Front of the Earth-portal ought to connect of the Rear of the space-portal. So the Chitauri could enter through both the front and rear of the space-portal and therefore emerge, respectively, from the back and front of the Earth-portal. The answer, I think, to why the movie didn't display this is that [[WatsonianVsDoylist it simply didn't think of it]].
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** I think I get the question. Imagine two coins set up on their rims on opposite ends of a tabletop. Let's suppose the coins are magic, in that, if an ant crawls up onto the Heads side of one coin, it instantly ends up on the Tails side of the second coin and vice-versa. Now, the movie's portal connects two points in space, but ''at each point'' manifests as flat, circular entity in 3D space, and thus would very likely have at least two sides, Front and Back. If the "Front" of the portal in space connected to the "Rear" side of the portal on Earth, it would seem to be the case that the Front of the Earth-portal ought to connect of the Rear of the space-portal. So the Chitauri could enter through both the front and rear back of the space-portal and therefore emerge, respectively, from the back and front of the Earth-portal. The answer, I think, to why the movie didn't display this is that [[WatsonianVsDoylist it simply didn't think of it]].
