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** Having her hair magically double in length would hardly be the worst side effect of Raven's magic or her assorted mystical bric-a-brac having gotten botched up on this show.

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** Having her hair magically double in length would hardly be the worst side effect of Raven's magic or her assorted mystical bric-a-brac having gotten botched up on this show.
show. The others have surely learned that pressing for details when freaky but trivial shit happens around her only earns them a snarky comeback and/or some arcane gobbledygook they can't even translate, let alone follow.


** Pretty much everything else they encounter in Raven's mind is dressed up in metaphor or symbolism. Why would they assume that the father Raven "has issues with" isn't just some brutal, abusive creep whom she merely ''pictures'' as demonic?




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** Having her hair magically double in length would hardly be the worst side effect of Raven's magic or her assorted mystical bric-a-brac having gotten botched up on this show.



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** The future isn't necessarily set, as Starfire's experiences in her own time-travel story established. For all Raven knew, those possible futures might be ones in which Raven, herself, ''didn't survive'' to reach that fatal birthday. Starfire may not have had the heart to tell her that she'd seen future-Raven as a solipsistic basket case.

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** Nufu may not ''smell'' anything like tofu. Cyborg might've assumed it was some kind of cheese.


** Seriously, you're asking how ''Robin'' could get loose from restraints? Robin, as in the guy who learned everything he knows about combat, infiltration, and evasion from freakin' ''Batman''? Better chance of keeping Houdini himself strapped down. Robin probably cut himself loose while hallucinating he was fending off Slade's cutting/shock implement, same as he beat himself to hell charging into walls and stuff.

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** Seriously, you're asking how ''Robin'' could get loose from restraints? Robin, as in the guy who learned everything he knows about combat, infiltration, and evasion from freakin' ''Batman''? Better chance of keeping Houdini himself strapped down. Robin probably cut himself loose with some sharp tool from his gloves or utility belt while hallucinating he was fending off Slade's own cutting/shock implement, same as he beat himself to hell charging into walls and stuff.


** Seriously, you're asking how ''Robin'' could get loose from restraints? Robin, as in the guy who learned everything he knows about combat, infiltration, and evasion from freakin' ''Batman''? Better chance of keeping Houdini himself strapped down.

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** Seriously, you're asking how ''Robin'' could get loose from restraints? Robin, as in the guy who learned everything he knows about combat, infiltration, and evasion from freakin' ''Batman''? Better chance of keeping Houdini himself strapped down. Robin probably cut himself loose while hallucinating he was fending off Slade's cutting/shock implement, same as he beat himself to hell charging into walls and stuff.

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** Seriously, you're asking how ''Robin'' could get loose from restraints? Robin, as in the guy who learned everything he knows about combat, infiltration, and evasion from freakin' ''Batman''? Better chance of keeping Houdini himself strapped down.


** "Forces of Nature" could easily be interpreted as a test for the Titans, and it seems to be after it that Slade decides on Robin as the pick of the litter and focuses on making him his apprentice. Really, the only episode where we know ''nothing'' about what Slade was trying to immediately accomplish was "Divide and Conquer", but he seems to have scrapped whatever that plan was anyway. As for not knowing about his ultimate goals and motivations? Simple- ''he doesn't want us (or anyone) to''. Whatever's really going on in that mind, it's something Slade is playing ''very'' close to the chest. After all, there's a reason he's the god of the HiddenAgendaVillain in the Pantheon/TropePantheon.

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** "Forces of Nature" could easily be interpreted as a test for the Titans, and it seems to be after it that Slade decides on Robin as the pick of the litter and focuses on making him his apprentice. Really, the only episode where we know ''nothing'' about what Slade was trying to immediately accomplish was "Divide and Conquer", but he seems to have scrapped whatever that plan was anyway. As for not knowing about his ultimate goals and motivations? Simple- ''he doesn't want us (or anyone) to''. Whatever's really going on in that mind, it's something Slade is playing ''very'' close to the chest. After all, there's a reason he's the god of the HiddenAgendaVillain in the Pantheon/TropePantheon.Pantheon/TropePantheons.

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*** Her birth name ''is'' mentioned—in "Betrothed", while she and Galfore are speaking to each other in Tamaranean, you can hear Galfore say "Koriand'r". She just doesn't mention it because in this continuity, "Starfire" is the English translation.



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**many alternate versions of beastboys in different continuetys gain the ability to morph into various things beyond regular animals, they can become chimeras of other animals, or mythical creatures, or even multiple animals at once(such as a full pack of wolves) more then likely the limitations on his powers are entirely a subconcious mental block, he cant turn into sentient species because he doesent consider them beasts, or possibly out of fear if he turned into something with equal, or greater, intellegence then him then the new form might be in control rather then him controlling it, its also possible he did try at one point, but because visibly both look human and he wouldent be able to use there powers(for kryptonian not having spent enough time in the form to absorb enough solar energy, for tamaranians not understaning the emotions needed) he thought he failed and just concluded it was impossible



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*** Tamaranians are a warrior society, to them "joy" and "rightous fury" might as well be the same word, and even a human can certainly feel both rightous anger and joy at the same time, in particular if they get to beat the crap out of the source of that anger, and Ravens power might be based on manipulating her soul but the origin of those powers are her demonic ancestry, putting Starfire in her body would change the soul being manipulated but it could still be manipulated into doing the same things Raven, think about it how a Pyrokinetic manipulates fire,it doesent matter if its a different fire they can manipulate it all the same


*** There's also the fact that Robin is a fairly well-known hero by this point—when Beast Boy meets him in "Go!", he's totally starstruck, and even a low-level street thug all the way across the country from Gotham recognized him as Batman's partner. Robin likely doesn't tell anyone that he's Dick Grayson because Dick Grayson is the adopted son of Bruce Wayne, and if Dick Grayson is Robin, there's a good chance that Bruce Wayne is Batman. He's trying to protect Bruce's identity as much as his own out of respect for his mentor and father figure. (In the tie-in comic, the team is clearly aware of his identity, but we don't know when he finally told them. Even though he's learned more about trusting his team, it's not just his mission at stake, so it's much more understandable that he'd withhold that information until he believed they were ready.)

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*** There's also the fact that Robin is a fairly well-known hero by this point—when Beast Boy meets him in "Go!", he's totally starstruck, and even a low-level street thug all the way across the country from Gotham recognized him as Batman's partner. Robin likely doesn't tell anyone that he's Dick Grayson Grayson, or let anyone call him that even in his downtime, because Dick Grayson is the adopted son of Bruce Wayne, and if Dick Grayson is Robin, there's a good chance that Bruce Wayne is Batman. He's trying to protect Bruce's identity as much as his own out of respect for his mentor and father figure. (In the tie-in comic, the team is clearly aware of his identity, identity and backstory, but we don't know when he finally told them. Even though he's learned more about trusting his team, team since "Masks", it's not just his mission at stake, so it's much more understandable that he'd withhold that information until he believed they were ready.he could risk it.)

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**** There's also the fact that Robin is a fairly well-known hero by this point—when Beast Boy meets him in "Go!", he's totally starstruck, and even a low-level street thug all the way across the country from Gotham recognized him as Batman's partner. Robin likely doesn't tell anyone that he's Dick Grayson because Dick Grayson is the adopted son of Bruce Wayne, and if Dick Grayson is Robin, there's a good chance that Bruce Wayne is Batman. He's trying to protect Bruce's identity as much as his own out of respect for his mentor and father figure. (In the tie-in comic, the team is clearly aware of his identity, but we don't know when he finally told them. Even though he's learned more about trusting his team, it's not just his mission at stake, so it's much more understandable that he'd withhold that information until he believed they were ready.)



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*** With respect, you're ignoring the entire rest of history with that statement. EVERY race has been enslaved at some point or another, often by their own race (if you use 'race' as the equivalent of skin color). Such a focus on skin color I'd argue degrades the characters' achievements, making them seem like those achievements were nothing more than affirmative action on the writers' part rather than traits of the characters.


** B, Cyborg makes it clear he misses his old life before the accident that turned him into "Robotman 2.0" as an excited Beast Boy put it. Doing weights allows him to regain some semblance of routine. We could argue that Starfire doesn't need to train because her strength comes from feeling confidence, but she still exercises with the team.

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** B, Cyborg makes it clear he misses his old life before the accident that turned him into "Robotman 2.0" as an excited Beast Boy put it. Doing weights allows him to regain some semblance of routine. We could argue that Starfire doesn't need to train because her strength comes from feeling confidence, but she still exercises with the team.team.

* Ok, one of your team-mates is a key to gate of hell dimension prison. Her own father is inter-dimensional space demon whose release from aforementioned prison would cause the EndOfTheWorldAsWeKnowIt on universe scale. You have a few months to prepare. The whole team comes with a perfectly safe room, in which Father cannot get. You are well aware that the demon has an army of lesser demons on his disposal. The team is consisting of former member of Doom patrol and a FlyingBrick princess of the whole planet of flying bricks. What do you do? If your answer is: face the army of demons alone, then congratulations, because you are a Teen Titan.
** Counterpoint: Raven is a one-woman DysfunctionJunction. The room is ''theoretically'' perfectly safe.
*** Counter-counterpoint: That's missing the original point. The only reason why Raven got out of the room was because she was worried about her friends' safety. And the only reason why she was worried is because they were four super-powered teens fighting against lava monsters/demons outnumbering them hundred to one lead by undead villain mastermind. Four heroes vs 1000+ villains, when there was nothing preventing said heroes from simply telling "Hey, Starfire? Your dad is a king of the whole warrior planet. Can you ask him to send a couple hundred of his soldiers (all of which have the same powers as you do, only mature ones by the way.) to help us keep the line until bad omens pass?" \\
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The only reason why Raven could open the portal was because stars aligned, the only reason why she did it is because she was worried for her friends' safety. Now, imagine fifty adult, Tamaranean soldiers, all of them having same or stronger powers as teen Starfire, kicking demonic arses and taking names until planetary alignment passes. Hell, you could leave Beast Boy in the tower, acting like a radio commentator to Raven and telling her how the battle in the outside world is going, since he was pretty useless in that fight anyway.Heck, why stop at fifty? They have the whole Tamaran of adult Starfires to choose from. You'd think that preventing GodOfEvil from getting out of his prison and transforming the whole planet into giant lake of fire, every single sentient being into stone statue and threatening the whole galaxy would be higher on the Titans' to do list... I mean, there's trying to be independent from your adult superhero mentor and there's just being over your head in trouble and being too stupid to ask for help.
*** There's one problem with asking the Tamarians for help: they're on other planet entirely. Even if they could have contacted them directly from Earth, it's still a long way to travel between both planets, despite most of the travel time being off-screen. It's more likely that not that the Teen Titans minus Raven were all that stood in the way... and despite their skills, they would've been overwhelmed eventually, and the tower would have been destroyed (and by doing so, indirectly destroying the room and breaking the protective spells). So really, Raven simply gave into the inevitable, and prevented her friends from being hurt before it was too late.
*** Why didn't the titans just take raven off-world?
*** And on a side-note, the room was ''claimed'' to be safe. We never got to see if it truly was... it could've just as easily not been safe.
* Not to mention that end of the world would destroy both heroes and villains alike, so there is absolutely no way for there ever to be better EnemyMine situation. Is there actually a trope for not bothering your much more powerful ally when the whole world is at stake?
** Which is exactly what happens (EnemyMine that is) when Slade, the one responsible adult not turned into stone, switches sides and helps Titans.
* [[GodOfEvil Trigon's]] entire plan for resurrection is completely dependent on Raven not dying. Had she, there was no back-up plan, and he would be permanently stuck under the Earth.
** Raven's ''destiny'' was to become the portal for Trigon. He either looked into the future and saw that, or maybe even set that part of the future himself- he didn't need to worry about her dying before doing something she was fated to do. Really, he should have paid more attention to what happened to her ''after'' she became the potal...
** However, Trigon is, as far as we know a immortal demon. If he could create Raven to be a portal,(as far as I'm aware, it's never explained how he managed to create Raven, especially if he can't even enter the TT dimension without someone like her) presumably he could do so as many times as it requires for it to stick. In fact, why Trigon even bothers to use an obviously heroic and not willing teenager as this portal instead of starting over until he gets a willing spawn is a bigger question.
*** One thing I, and after bringing it up and being told that it was obvious by others, noticed was that, surprisingly, Trigon actually did care about his daughter. Hell, judging by the fact Arella survived whatever he did to Azarath according to the tie in comics, he probably cared about her in some fashion as well, but then, in the comics, they did actually get married... And I don't think they ever actually got divorced, Arella just ran away screaming when she found out which demon specifically she was married to. Trigon seems to just be the Demon version of the bumbling dad who has no idea what the hell he's doing with his kid. Hell, he's a [[RealityWarper Reality Warper]] and demonstrated that he could pierce the defensive spell Raven put on her friends effortlessly, so the only possible reason for them not being turned to stone is him just not turning them to stone. Also note, it was pretty clear Raven was supposed to die making the portal, Trigon essentially admitted that he had saved her. Also note Trigon's method, and compare to what Raven wanted specifically, she wanted her friends not hurt (they weren't, and Trigon could have easily done so in countless ways), she didn't want anyone to die or get hurt, (Trigon turning everyone to stone neatly accomplished both, as statues don't feel pain.) and she probably wanted to live, which she did, because Trigon made it so.\\
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Of course, this might just be ''ComicBook/TinyTitans'' Trigon coloring my perceptions...
** A couple issues with that theory, though: First, when he attacks Raven in "Birthmark", a super-powered Slade mentions flesh becoming stone like it was part of the prophecy. Secondly, Trigon told her a couple times that the only reason she exists is to release him. She pleaded with him like an emotionally fatigued daughter would her stern father, and he basically said, "too bad, so sad". Third, allowing the Titans to live was more an agreement with Slade (when they were trying to protect her), and that was pretty much to move things along. Remember, Raven had accepted her role as inevitable and wanted to spare the only four people who cared about her the pain of a losing battle. Lastly, Trigon is supremely arrogant. The Titans throw everything they have at him, and the damage is negligible. So what if four or (with Slade) five mortals still roam the Earth? So what if his "Gem" is still alive? What can they possibly do? [[BreakTheHaughty Oh, wait...]]
* WHERE DO THEY GET ALL OF THEIR MONEY!?
** Robin is the adopted son of Bruce Wayne, one of the richest people in the world. You do the math.
** The same is more or less also true for Beast Boy.
*** But didn't Robin split from Bruce Wayne because he wanted to be his own man? I can believe Bruce being generous with Robin's allowance prior to that, but not so generous they can build a tower with all the latest tech, a plane/space ship/submarine, and the T car. (It's difficult for me to believe Cyborg paid for all the parts by himself.) And wasn't Beast Boy kicked out of the Doom Patrol for his own safety? I doubt he was able to stay in contact.
*** It's never been explained why they split. [[http://scans-daily.dreamwidth.org/1629390.html Robin once joked (probably) in the comics that he got a Batmobile by hiding it in the Batarang budget]]. There's no real reason Dick couldn't get his own discretionary funds from Bruce. I doubt he's so proud as to turn down free money. Bruce gives him the money, and he does what he wants with it.
*** Knowing Robin and Batman, that's probably how it happens... And it's the result of a big fight: Batman wanted to help more, but in the end he 'only' managed to supply money.
** In the comics, Cyborg's dad pays for the Titans, or at least the Tower.
** Also, what Jump City is getting from the Titans is a team of people specializing in taking down threats that the police would be useless against (even Dr. Light and the Hive Five would have the run of the place, and otherwise far more devastating equipment would have to be used. Oh, and said team is lead by the apprentice of Batman, who clearly is emotionally mature and can take responsibility. On the other hand, if they went criminal, the city would have essentially a princess of a warrior planet, a shapeshifting, emotionally immature goblin, a martial artist who can take out things entire squads of police wouldn't stand a chance against, a hulking killer robot-man, and the Antichrist to deal with. To say nothing of a team-up... Jump City would be forced to pay for them.
* Uh... How in the name of sanity did the "computer virus" that made Cyborg think everything was food work? It can apparently be downloaded onto a disc, be uploaded to someone... but also is a nanite infection, is spread by touching other machines, and can be transmitted via transmitter. That's not a virus, that's magic. A COMPUTER VIRUS AND A NANITE INFESTATION ARE NOT THE SAME THING. Yet the episode treats them like both.
** "Crash" is one of the silliest episodes in the entire series (though interestingly, it comes immediately before "Haunted", which has an almost identical premise- one of the team gets infected with a mind altering agent and starts hallucinating- but is one of the darkest episodes in the entire series), so you probably shouldn't think too hard on it. For a possible explanation, let's assume that under normal circumstances the virus is just an ordinary (albeit nasty) computer virus, but it gained the ability to infect other machines through touch/create nanites/transmit itself through signals as a result of hijacking Cyborg's extremely advanced systems. But ultimately, it's not supposed to make sense.
* The ending of "Employee of the Month" where Cyborg apparently eats The Source doesn't make a lot of sense. Firstly, Cyborg absolutely ''hates'' tofu and anything tofu-related; he can even tell soy-eggs and soy-milk at a single taste and reacts with disgust, so why would he take a bite out of what is quite obviously a block of raw tofu? Secondly, the Source is a sapient being in its own right and quite capable of talking; how the heck could Cyborg have even looked at it hungrily before it started screaming for mercy? Unless being refrigerated put it to sleep or something... even then, that doesn't count for the fact it looks like a block of tofu, which Cyborg regards as "inedible".
** Well, it was established throughout the episode that The Source wasn't producing tofu, it was producing "nufu", which is presumably a much more accurate meat substitute made from something alien. Cyborg had eaten at their cover restaurant several times, so, presumably, he couldn't tell the difference.
*** Except when Cyborg ate "nufu", it was in the shape of fried burger patties (and "meat chips"), so he didn't realize what it was. The Source, in comparison, looks like a stereotypical block of raw cold tofu, something Cyborg should be very familiar with, seeing as how he sees them in the fridge all the time because of Beast Boy. Even with barbeque sauce on it, Cyborg ought to take one look at it and then pass it over in disgust.
* Slade's choice of a SupervillainLair in season 2 was really stupid, if you think about it. First, he builds it on a volcano. Alright, evil lairs on volcanos are cool, and it might not be an active volcano, but then he proceeds to bring into that lair a girl with earth manipulation powers, who CANNOT CONTROL THOSE POWERS VERY WELL, and train her there. Then he starts using the place as mission control, and also as a place to beat her up if she failed him, which is totally a good idea because if she ever tries to kill him she has a goddamn volcano below them that she can use. Really, Slade?
** It's possible that his choice of lair wasn't as stupid as it seems. First, he gave Terra that special suit which interfaced with her nervous system and allowed him control over her body. Much like with Robin and the nanites, he probably didn't expect her to be able to overcome that. Indeed, the first time we see Terra try to remove the suit, she's unable to do so. Second, choosing an extinct volcano was part of [[SinkOrSwimMentor helping Terra learn to control her powers.]] Terra has two options when they first move in to their little cave: [[DieOrFly control her powers, or else.]]

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