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*** They ''all'' thought that kidnapping Victor was a good idea, and Victor himself came up with the plan to rescue his mother if I remember correctly. Kissing Chase was definitely not cool, I'll give you that, but it was done in the heat of the moment and she regretted it immediately. I thought that [[AndIMustScream what she did to the Yorkes]] during Whedon's run was absolutely evil, but I seem to be the only person, both in-universe and in the fandom, who had a problem with it (see above). Besides, who else would call the shots? Molly and Klara are too young, Chase is too dumb, Victor is the new guy who's supposedly destined to become evil, Xavin is the even newer guy/girl who half the team can't stand, and Karolina...well, she just doesn't strike me as leadership material. Gert would probably make a great leader, but she doesn't want the job. That only leaves Nico.
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*** They ''all'' thought that kidnapping Victor was a good idea, and Victor himself came up with the plan to rescue his mother if I remember correctly.mother. Kissing Chase was definitely not cool, I'll give you that, but it was done in the heat of the moment and she regretted it immediately. I thought that [[AndIMustScream what she did to the Yorkes]] during Whedon's run was absolutely evil, but I seem to be the only person, both in-universe and in the fandom, who had a problem with it (see above). Besides, who else would call the shots? Molly and Klara are too young, Chase is too dumb, Victor is the new guy who's supposedly destined to become evil, Xavin is the even newer guy/girl who half the team can't stand, and Karolina...well, she just doesn't strike me as leadership material. Gert would probably make a great leader, but she doesn't want the job. That only leaves Nico.
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** Chase's father did not beat him for nothing! Bad grades are SeriousBusiness for an EvilScientist like Victor Stein.
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** Chase's father did not beat him for nothing! Bad grades are SeriousBusiness for an EvilScientist a MadScientist like Victor Stein.
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*** I still say it would have been a thousand times more interesting to keep her alive.
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** I assumed that this was to illustrate that YouCantFightFate doesn't apply here. That said her dead Avengers were the MC2 team which itself has been declared an alternate universe particularly after OneMoreDay.
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*** They ''all'' thought that kidnapping Victor was a good idea, and Victor himself came up with the plan to rescue his mother if I remember correctly. Kissing Chase was definitely not cool, I'll give you that, but it was done in the heat of the moment and she regretted it immediately. I thought that [[AndIMustScream what she did to the Yorkes]] during Whedon's run was absolutely evil, but I seem to be the only person, both in-universe and in the fandom, who had a problem with it (see above). Besides, who else would call the shots? Molly and Klara are too young, Chase is too dumb, Victor is the new guy who's supposedly destined to become evil, Xavin is the even newer guy/girl who half the team can't stand, and Karolina...well, she just doesn't strike me as leadership material. That only leaves Gert, who in my opinion would make a much better leader than Nico, but she doesn't want the job.
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*** They ''all'' thought that kidnapping Victor was a good idea, and Victor himself came up with the plan to rescue his mother if I remember correctly. Kissing Chase was definitely not cool, I'll give you that, but it was done in the heat of the moment and she regretted it immediately. I thought that [[AndIMustScream what she did to the Yorkes]] during Whedon's run was absolutely evil, but I seem to be the only person, both in-universe and in the fandom, who had a problem with it (see above). Besides, who else would call the shots? Molly and Klara are too young, Chase is too dumb, Victor is the new guy who's supposedly destined to become evil, Xavin is the even newer guy/girl who half the team can't stand, and Karolina...well, she just doesn't strike me as leadership material. That only leaves Gert, who in my opinion Gert would probably make a much better leader than Nico, great leader, but she doesn't want the job.job. That only leaves Nico.
* The fact that Brian K. Vaughan [[spoiler: killed off Gert]] bugs me more than any other event in fictional history, and not just because she's my favorite character. (MASSIVE SPOILERS ahead for anyone who hasn't finished the second volume.) From a narrative standpoint, Gert should have been the ''last'' character he considered killing off. At the beginning of Volume Two, we find out that Gert is going to be leading the Avengers in twenty years. Gertrude Yorkes, who calls superheroes "super-fascists," who has no powers and no combat training, who calls Nico a dope for thinking that she could ever lead their little band of runaways, grows up to lead the most famous superhero team in the world. That is an absolutely fascinating turn of events. What makes Gert change her mind about superheroes? How does she end up joining the Avengers? What talents does she discover in the next twenty years that make her a candidate to lead them? We'll never know, because Vaughan killed her off. I know everyone complains about how comic book characters never stay dead, but I think someone should resurrect Gert just so that they can do this storyline justice.
* The fact that Brian K. Vaughan [[spoiler: killed off Gert]] bugs me more than any other event in fictional history, and not just because she's my favorite character. (MASSIVE SPOILERS ahead for anyone who hasn't finished the second volume.) From a narrative standpoint, Gert should have been the ''last'' character he considered killing off. At the beginning of Volume Two, we find out that Gert is going to be leading the Avengers in twenty years. Gertrude Yorkes, who calls superheroes "super-fascists," who has no powers and no combat training, who calls Nico a dope for thinking that she could ever lead their little band of runaways, grows up to lead the most famous superhero team in the world. That is an absolutely fascinating turn of events. What makes Gert change her mind about superheroes? How does she end up joining the Avengers? What talents does she discover in the next twenty years that make her a candidate to lead them? We'll never know, because Vaughan killed her off. I know everyone complains about how comic book characters never stay dead, but I think someone should resurrect Gert just so that they can do this storyline justice.
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*** They ''all'' thought that kidnapping Victor was a good idea, and Victor himself came up with the plan to rescue his mother if I remember correctly. Kissing Chase was definitely not cool, I'll give you that, but it was done in the heat of the moment and she regretted it immediately. I thought that [[AndIMustScream what she did to the Yorkes]] during Whedon's run was absolutely evil, but I seem to be the only person, both in-universe and in the fandom, who had a problem with it (see above). Besides, who else would call the shots? Molly and Klara are too young, Chase is too dumb, Victor is the new guy who's supposedly destined to become evil, Xavin is the even newer guy/girl who half the team can't stand, and Karolina...well, she just doesn't strike me as leadership material. That only leaves Gert, who in my opinion would make a much better leader than Nico, but she doesn't want the job.
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** That's not my point. My point is, she has almost never faced consequences for her poor choices, and any punishment she goes through is temporary at best.
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** She's a sixteen-year-old girl dealing with problems that would terrify the average adult on top of all the usual adolescent crap. It's a miracle she's done as well as she has.
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* I can't believe no one else has brought this up, or am I the only one bugged by Nico? She starts out okay, but once she becomes de facto leader of the group, she makes a lot of bad choices no one calls her on. I'll be lenient and chalk up all of her previous bad choices in Vol. 1 to inexperience and the trauma of her parents being evil, but let's look at a piece of her track record: kisses her best friend's boyfriend, covers it up, sleeps with the other guy on the team after the death of her best friend and tries to cover that up, casually decides to date him, then encourages him to cheat on her with a girl from 100 years in the past. Actually, the biggest thing that bugs me about this is her decisions when handling Victor, kidnapping him and sets it up (unintentionally, but still with unforgivably poor planning) in a way that ends with Vic's mother DEAD, despite that Victor wasn't going to turn evil for 20 YEARS. Does anyone ever bring up how lousy a job she's doing? No. Vic apparently forgets his mother was just murdered before his eyes and develops a crush on Nico (later either spending the night or sleeping with her), Gert turns around and forgives Nico for molesting Chase and lying to her, and Chase goes so far as to trust her with his final wishes when he goes off to sacrifice himself to the Gibborim. Heck, even the Gibborim think she's innocent, even though the only thing she's been innocent of is directly killing someone with her own hands.
** Another thing that bugs me: zombie KNOT!? How did she lose all those badass powers she had only a few issues ago? Did she get smacked on the head and lost all memory about how to use the Staff of One?
** Another thing that bugs me: zombie KNOT!? How did she lose all those badass powers she had only a few issues ago? Did she get smacked on the head and lost all memory about how to use the Staff of One?
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*** WordOfGod said on his website her name is "Like the state", which would be Karo-LIE-na, as in North and South. Also makes the "Lina Bean" joke actually make sense.
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*** Going off of Homcoming,it seems that they seem to become jerks and die(?) after 18.which I guess is one way to handle that problem. as for why only Victor reacts poorly to attacking spiderman,lets remember he was designed as a major fan boy and hasn't yet expierienced the less favorable adult supers that the rest have.
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*** Poorly, no doubt. Then again, they'd have years to ease into the idea, so they might get over it.
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** I want to know what they plan to do about getting older. if they don't trust adults, how will they react to becoming adults?
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* After getting tortured by the Witchbreaker, Nico's Staff of One takes on a new form. But when it's owned by her mother, a more experienced and powerful magician, it's still in its "weaker" form.
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*** It was extreme, actually, Chase later tells Nico that his father beat him with a phonebook (because it hurts but leaves no marks) until he was barely conscious.
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*** First of all Sliding Timescale, Ultron-1 was built no earlier than 1990, probably later. Second the story referenced when he was defeated by the West Coast Avengers was well after he had upgraded himself about as far as he is in modern times.
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*** I thought the LogicBomb questions were meant as backdoors for Ultron to disable him if he got out of hand, the feedback errors make no sense Ultron's previous creations were able to be near each other just fine, the Hackers were supposed to be using Stein's tech so they weren't normal hackers.
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*** Keep in mind the Runaways are truant fugitives and their previous dealings with adult heroes got them sent to their various foster places which they all agreed they don't want to go back to.
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* In "True Believers", the Runaways debate killing Victor Mancha because in some far-off future, he becomes a [[TheMole mole]] in the Avengers and kills every superhero in the universe. Except there's some major FridgeLogic at work:
** Victor was created by Ultron and nearly every one of his creations has [[TurnedAgainstTheirMasters rebelled against their Ultron programming]], including Victor himself. So how in the future does Ultron-1 (built in the 1970's) outdo his decades of Ultron-XXX upgrades in creating an AI that actually works?
** Victor has a number of glaring weaknesses, including three [[LogicBomb logic bomb questions]], feedback errors when close to another one of Ultron's creations and he's just as hackable as any computer.
** In East Coast/West Coast, Nico [[LetsYouAndHimFight attacks]] Spider-Man while he's just sitting there and isn't a threat to the team. Victor is the only one to object but Nico justifies it by saying they don't trust adults. For a team trying not to be like their evil parents, why are they acting so much like villains while the only team member confirmed to actually become one acts like a hero.
** Victor was created by Ultron and nearly every one of his creations has [[TurnedAgainstTheirMasters rebelled against their Ultron programming]], including Victor himself. So how in the future does Ultron-1 (built in the 1970's) outdo his decades of Ultron-XXX upgrades in creating an AI that actually works?
** Victor has a number of glaring weaknesses, including three [[LogicBomb logic bomb questions]], feedback errors when close to another one of Ultron's creations and he's just as hackable as any computer.
** In East Coast/West Coast, Nico [[LetsYouAndHimFight attacks]] Spider-Man while he's just sitting there and isn't a threat to the team. Victor is the only one to object but Nico justifies it by saying they don't trust adults. For a team trying not to be like their evil parents, why are they acting so much like villains while the only team member confirmed to actually become one acts like a hero.
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** CharacterizationMarchesOn?
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** Having Alex immediately jump to conclusions probably also helped.
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** It sounds more like Vehicular Manslaughter, which is usually an accident.
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** Related to the above, this may just be "I didn't read enough Marvel comics", but why're they all focusing on densely populated urban areas? Wouldn't it be a little easier to set up a hideout in FlyOverCountry (''especially'' in the Rockies or Ozarks) where there are apparently no superheroes ''at all''?
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*** A Gibborim did it? I always imagined that the Minorus or Hayes were probably brainwashing or memory-erasing away the media or other such people who'd rat 'em out.
* So would there actually be more than one staff of one? I thought it was called "a" staff of one, as opposed to "the" staff of one, implying that there was [[DepartmentOfRedundancyDepartment only one]]. Maybe it's just a typo.
* So would there actually be more than one staff of one? I thought it was called "a" staff of one, as opposed to "the" staff of one, implying that there was [[DepartmentOfRedundancyDepartment only one]]. Maybe it's just a typo.
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* Why did none of the A-list supervillains like Green Goblin or Doctor Doom never try to take over LA? Let's see - access to time travel, powerful magical artifacts, hi-tech superweapons - what, Doctor Doom can take over an entire country but can't take over one city?
** Same guy as above. Why didn't any villains every just tell, the Avengers or Fantastic Four about the Pride. If they were so worried that they couldn't beat them the could just let one of those "rightous do-gooders" handle it.
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* Correct me if I'm wrong but I thought that no two mutants can share the exact same power unless it is passed from parent to child. Mutations can be similar but they can't be indentical since the X-Gene manifests itself differently for everyone. I find it extremely unlikely that both the Hayeses would turn out to be telepaths with the exact same mental abilities (mind reading, sedation, mind wiping, etc). Are the Hayses actually brother and sister (eww)? Where does Prof. X fit into this? Is he their long-lost brother or something?
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** Beacuse Future Gert had just come back in time, with fatal injuries claiming that in about 20 years he will single-handedly kill every superhero on Earth including the Avengers, the X-men, the Fantastic Four (or Fourteen), and probably them as well. The kids certainly aren't going to chalk that up to a simple misunderstanding like with Cloak and Dagger.
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* In the "True Believers" arc, why would the team be so willing to beat the crap out of Victor? In the third storyarc, they chastied Cloak and Dagger for having a typical "superheroess meet and fight then sort out differences", just seems hypocritical of them to do this.
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* Correct me if I'm wrong but I thought that no two mutants can share the exact same power unless it is passed from parent to child. Mutations can be similar but they can't be indentical since the X-Gene manifests itself differently for everyone. I find it extremely unlikely that both the Hayeses would turn out to be telepaths with the exact same mental abilities (mind reading, sedation, mind wiping, etc). Are the Hayses actually brother and sister (eww)? Where does Prof. X fit into this? Is he their long-lost brother or something?
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** There probably is one, and the kids have just been avoiding them. They're called the Runaways for a reason; the Pride, the LAPD, the Avengers, and Excelsior have all tried and failed to catch them. It stretches credibility at times, but the story wouldn't really work otherwise.
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* Exactly how were the Runaways able to just waltz back into LA after the whole 1907 incident? As far as we all know, the Civil War is still going on (I believe it's 2006 by their timeline). What's to stop Iron Man and the cape killers from coming back to arrest them? Even if Civil War has ended, woundn't that mean the 50 State Initiative has been set up? Shouldn't there be a registered team patrolling LA or did I miss an issue?
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*** No, those are all valid points, except for the part about having his own hideout; the first Hostel would have been useless if any of the Pride had known about it.
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** Chase has street smarts, his own method of transportation, his own hideout (in case the Pride might need to ditch their hideouts), and presumably, connections to other youth in the L.A. area, all of which would make a valuable addition to the Pride. Gert is only smart, and the elder Steins seem to be even smarter. They even make gadgets that Chase can figure out (the glasses, the fire-gloves) so that he can use them as an intimidation factor, as well as a weapon. Or does this belong in the WMG section?
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