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** In the script Sextimus does have to regard Aggravain and boss her around, but to be honest, this is a really weak example of a "stereotype" -- he's just doing what ''anyone'' would do after they've been unable to speak for years and left to the mercy of their overbearing asshole SO, regardless of gender.
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** In the script Sextimus does have to regard Aggravain and boss her around, but to be honest, this is a really weak example of a "stereotype" -- he's just doing what ''anyone'' would do after they've been unable to speak for years and left to the mercy of their overbearing asshole SO, regardless of gender.
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** It's a fairy tale, it doesn't have to make sense. And the pregnant bellies aren't in the script, as there's a surprisingly GettingCrapPastTheRadar joke for a '50s family musical in the opening song. A recurring rhyme is "None of the ladies are having any fun," and the song ends with "None of the ladies are having any/No one is having any/No one is getting any... younger." So there you go. No one is getting any, except Larkin and Harry.
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** It's a fairy tale, it doesn't have to make sense. And the pregnant bellies aren't in the script, as there's a surprisingly GettingCrapPastTheRadar risqué joke for a '50s family musical in the opening song. A recurring rhyme is "None of the ladies are having any fun," and the song ends with "None of the ladies are having any/No one is having any/No one is getting any... younger." So there you go. No one is getting any, except Larkin and Harry.
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** If you are talking about the version sung by Matthew Morrison and ZooeyDeschanel in the most recent television production, then you are correct in saying it's irrelevant to the show. However, in the stage show it does have a purpose: the whole song is the Jester, the Minstrel and Lady Larkin (with [[TheVoiceless King Sextimus]] miming along) hatching a plan to spirit Larkin away from the kingdom to Normandy where she won't be persecuted for being pregnant out of wedlock.
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** If you are talking about the version sung by Matthew Morrison and ZooeyDeschanel Creator/ZooeyDeschanel in the most recent television production, then you are correct in saying it's irrelevant to the show. However, in the stage show it does have a purpose: the whole song is the Jester, the Minstrel and Lady Larkin (with [[TheVoiceless King Sextimus]] miming along) hatching a plan to spirit Larkin away from the kingdom to Normandy where she won't be persecuted for being pregnant out of wedlock.
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*** Or, as Aggrivaine hints, if she's not going to get to marry Dauntless, nobody gets to marry anyone.
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** It's because the queen is a raging, unreasonable bitch who wants everyone to be miserable.
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** It's because the queen is a raging, unreasonable bitch who wants everyone to be miserable. miserable.
*** Exactly; this is the queen's EstablishingCharacterMoment. How do you get the point that the queen is intended to be the antagonist across to the audience in ten seconds or less? Have her make a stupid, obnoxious decree! GodSaveUsFromTheQueen!
*** Exactly; this is the queen's EstablishingCharacterMoment. How do you get the point that the queen is intended to be the antagonist across to the audience in ten seconds or less? Have her make a stupid, obnoxious decree! GodSaveUsFromTheQueen!
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** In the script Sextimus does have to regard Aggravain and boss her around, but to be honest, this is a really weak example of a "stereotype" -- he's just doing what ''anyone'' would do after they've been unable to speak for years and left to the mercy of their overbearing asshole SO, regardless of gender.
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*** Actually, yes, fairytales do have to make sense. They might have magic and rely on suspension of disbelief, but they still follow some sort of logic. As for the song; since Larkin would rather leave the kingdom than have to reveal she's pregnant, clearly pre-marital sex is not approved of. Of course everyone is going to pretend they're not having sex in that situation. Also, at that point in the story the audience isn't supposed to know Larkin is pregnant.
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** Depends on the production, I'd guess; in This Troper's high-school production of it, she kept ranting mutely while everyone else ignored her.
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*I found a lot of the humor at the expense of the domineering mom/wife irksome. It's great that Sextimus gets his voice back at the end, but we're meant to cheer that Agravain simultaneously loses her voice and Sextimus starts bossing her around. Turnabout is fair play, I guess, but after 2 hours of rooting for a non-girly-girly princess, this seemed too much of a retro stereotype.
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** If you are talking about the version sung by Matthew Morrison and ZooeyDeschanel in the most recent television production, then you are correct in saying it's irrelevant to the show. However, in the stage show it does have a purpose: the whole song is the Jester, the Minstrel and Lady Larkin (with [[TheVoiceless King Sextimus]] miming along) hatching a plan to spirit Larkin away from the kingdom to Normandy where she won't be persecuted for being pregnant out of wedlock.
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** The entire song Normandy just plain irks this troper. It really serves no purpose, and is quite boring.
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** Maybe it was embarrassing for the Queen to see other people getting married before Dauntless.
* The entire song Normandy just plain irks this troper. It really serves no purpose, and is quite boring.
* The entire song Normandy just plain irks this troper. It really serves no purpose, and is quite boring.
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**The entire song Normandy just plain irks this troper. It really serves no purpose, and is quite boring.
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** It's a fairy tale, it doesn't have to make sense. And the pregnant bellies aren't in the script, as there's a surprisingly GettingCrapPastTheRadar joke for a '50s family musical in the opening song. A recurring rhyme is "None of the ladies are having any fun," and the song ends with "None of the ladies are having any/No one is having any/No one is getting any... younger." So there you go. No one is getting any, except Larkin and Harry.
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** Except that it's a plot point that Sir Harry's girlfriend, Lady Larken, gets pregnant. She goes into hiding so that he won't be embarrassed once she gets bigger, but he can't marry her until the prince gets hitched. Since this is a comedy, it's not played off as a very serious problem (and the two of them get a really cute song together, as well). Anyway, this subplot indicates that people everywhere are just having pre-marital sex instead of getting married. SoYeah.
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** Except that it's a plot point that Sir Harry's girlfriend, Lady Larken, gets pregnant. She goes into hiding so that he won't be embarrassed once she gets bigger, but he can't marry her until the prince gets hitched. Since this is a comedy, it's not played off as a very serious problem (and the two of them get a really cute song together, as well). Anyway, this subplot indicates that people everywhere are just having pre-marital sex instead of getting married. SoYeah.
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**It's because the queen is a raging, unreasonable bitch who wants everyone to be miserable.
