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*** As for why she didn't make an effort to fool Twilight, here's my theory: Chrysalis' plan involved going incognito for an extended period of time (she must have replaced Cadance before the barrier went up), so she studied Cadance's relationships with Celestia and Shining Armor to imitate Cadance better. There are two reasons she didn't do this for Twilight: First, she didn't realize Twilight knew Cadance that well and as such didn't prepare to fool her. Second, by this point she's probably been undercover for a good amount of time and she's getting sick of pretending to be Cadance. Shining Armor and Celestia have been interacting with her on a frequent basis, so they write off her bitchiness as wedding-related stress (when Chrysalis first switched in, she likely acted far more like Cadance). When Twilight shows up out of nowhere, Chrysalis is ill-prepared to deal with her, and really can't be arsed to get back into character just to deal with one pony. So she takes the shortcut of physically removing Twilight on the assumption that it'll keep her out of the way long enough for the plan to come to fruition. Keep in mind that Chrysalis' plan is literally a day away from completion, so it's not that weird that after months of working on it Chrysalis just went "Screw it, I'll chuck her in the dungeon" rather than going to the trouble of figuring out how to get on Twilight's good side.
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*** As for why she didn't make an effort to fool Twilight, here's my theory: Chrysalis' plan involved going incognito for an extended period of time (she must have replaced Cadance before the barrier went up), so she studied Cadance's relationships with Celestia and Shining Armor to imitate Cadance better. There are two reasons she didn't do this for Twilight: First, she didn't realize Twilight knew Cadance that well and as such didn't prepare to fool her. Second, by this point she's probably been undercover for a good amount of time and she's getting sick of pretending to be Cadance. Shining Armor and Celestia have been interacting with her on a frequent basis, so they write off her bitchiness as wedding-related stress (when Chrysalis first switched in, she likely acted far more like Cadance).Cadance) when in reality it's just Chrysalis making less and less effort to act like Cadance. When Twilight shows up out of nowhere, Chrysalis is ill-prepared to deal with her, and really can't be arsed to get back into character just to deal with one pony. So she takes the shortcut of physically removing Twilight on the assumption that it'll keep her out of the way long enough for the plan to come to fruition. Keep in mind that Chrysalis' plan is literally a day away from completion, so it's not that weird that after months of working on it Chrysalis just went "Screw it, I'll chuck her in the dungeon" rather than going to the trouble of figuring out how to get on Twilight's good side.
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*** Chrysalis didn't kill Cadance because she was powering herself up by absorbing Cadance's love for Shining Armor. Kill her, and that power/food sources disappears.
*** As for why she didn't make an effort to fool Twilight, here's my theory: Chrysalis' plan involved going incognito for an extended period of time (she must have replaced Cadance before the barrier went up), so she studied Cadance's relationships with Celestia and Shining Armor to imitate Cadance better. There are two reasons she didn't do this for Twilight: First, she didn't realize Twilight knew Cadance that well and as such didn't prepare to fool her. Second, by this point she's probably been undercover for a good amount of time and she's getting sick of pretending to be Cadance. Shining Armor and Celestia have been interacting with her on a frequent basis, so they write off her bitchiness as wedding-related stress (when Chrysalis first switched in, she likely acted far more like Cadance). When Twilight shows up out of nowhere, Chrysalis is ill-prepared to deal with her, and really can't be arsed to get back into character just to deal with one pony. So she takes the shortcut of physically removing Twilight on the assumption that it'll keep her out of the way long enough for the plan to come to fruition. Keep in mind that Chrysalis' plan is literally a day away from completion, so it's not that weird that after months of working on it Chrysalis just went "Screw it, I'll chuck her in the dungeon" rather than going to the trouble of figuring out how to get on Twilight's good side.
*** As for why she didn't make an effort to fool Twilight, here's my theory: Chrysalis' plan involved going incognito for an extended period of time (she must have replaced Cadance before the barrier went up), so she studied Cadance's relationships with Celestia and Shining Armor to imitate Cadance better. There are two reasons she didn't do this for Twilight: First, she didn't realize Twilight knew Cadance that well and as such didn't prepare to fool her. Second, by this point she's probably been undercover for a good amount of time and she's getting sick of pretending to be Cadance. Shining Armor and Celestia have been interacting with her on a frequent basis, so they write off her bitchiness as wedding-related stress (when Chrysalis first switched in, she likely acted far more like Cadance). When Twilight shows up out of nowhere, Chrysalis is ill-prepared to deal with her, and really can't be arsed to get back into character just to deal with one pony. So she takes the shortcut of physically removing Twilight on the assumption that it'll keep her out of the way long enough for the plan to come to fruition. Keep in mind that Chrysalis' plan is literally a day away from completion, so it's not that weird that after months of working on it Chrysalis just went "Screw it, I'll chuck her in the dungeon" rather than going to the trouble of figuring out how to get on Twilight's good side.
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** The only people who see him as a villain are Fluttershy fans, saying that his training turned her into a monster.
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** Only Fluttershy fans see him as a villain, since his training turned her into a monster.
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** Well they... uhhhh... mmmmm.... hmmmmm? ...Good point. Even a few of her changelings would be better guards. Maybe she was just using what she had, and she could easily pass off their absence as "doing a favor" and claiming a falling out as why they never showed up. An outright absence of Royal Guards would get noticed (well, she could just grab some off duty ones...). Since they are Cadance's friends, she's hoping she would hesitate enough for the bridesmaids to subdue her, and [[IndyPlot tossed Twilight in their on the fly without thinking of how it'd render her bridesmaids helpless. Still, that's grasping for straws, and anybody else would have been better retainers.
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** Well they... uhhhh... mmmmm.... hmmmmm? ...Good point. Even a few of her changelings would be better guards. Maybe she was just using what she had, and she could easily pass off their absence as "doing a favor" and claiming a falling out as why they never showed up. An outright absence of Royal Guards would get noticed (well, she could just grab some off duty ones...). Since they are Cadance's friends, she's hoping she would hesitate enough for the bridesmaids to subdue her, and [[IndyPlot tossed Twilight in their on the fly without thinking of how it'd render her bridesmaids helpless.useless]]. Still, that's grasping for straws, and anybody else would have been better retainers.
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** It's also possible that she was trying to come up for a set of dresses to fulfill a specific order rather than trying to come up for a generic design. Like somepony put an order in and Rarity only just now realized that spectrum of dresses fit that particular order perfectly.
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** I'm pretty sure it's almost entirely the former. Celestia explicitly states that the seal weakened due to the elements changing hands, and it's never even implied anywhere in the episode that Discord absorbs chaos. He ''makes'' it. If anything he ''caused'' the CMC to fight. The evil laugh wasn't due to his seal weakening, but due to the fact that he realized he could start spreading his influence again.
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** Well they... uhhhh... mmmmm.... hmmmmm? ...Good point. Even a few of her changelings would be better guards. Maybe she was just using what she had, and she could easily pass off their absence as "doing a favor" and claiming a falling out as why they never showed up. An outright absence of Royal Guards would get noticed (well, she could just grab some off duty ones...). Since they are Cadance's friends, she's hoping she would hesitate enough for the bridesmaids to subdue her, and [[IndyPlot tossed Twilight in their on the fly without thinking of how it'd render her bridesmaids helpless. Still, that's grasping for straws, and anybody else would have been better retainers.
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* How retarded is Chrysalis, exactly, to put ''bridesmaids'' between her captives and the exit of the caves? Unless her MindControl spell gives supernatural strength and stamina, seems like they'd be the most incompetent jailors ever. Why not take control of a few Royal Guards, at least? As Red Shirty as they are, they would have to perform better than ''bridesmaids''. Chrysalis holds the VillainBall for all the duration of her plan, but this has to take the cake!
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** I agree on that point, but this is probably something one can't do much about. The writers got the idea of giving Twilight a brother along the way, even though it was long past the introduction of most characters. They did try to justify it slightly by Twilight and Shining Armor having been separated for quite a while. It's not entirely adequate but it's the best the writers could do by this point.
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** I agree on that point, but this is probably something one can't do much about. The writers got the idea of giving Twilight a brother along the way, even though it was long past the introduction of most characters. They did try to justify it slightly by Twilight and Shining Armor having been separated for quite a while. It's not entirely adequate but it's the best the writers could do by this point.
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**** I find your lack of respect for history disturbing. "History buff", my, my...
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** The season 3 premiere may have shed some new light on this one. There are some very heavy hints dropped that Twilight has some important destiny that Celestia is grooming her for. If this is the case, then it's certainly possible that she has been paying attention to Twilight for a long time, even before she got her cutie mark. If so, then connections between the royal family and the Sparkle family start to make a lot more sense.
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* Why are some people surprised that Twilight never mentioned her brother to her friends? Maybe it's just me, but I have friends that I've been friends with for over 5 years, and I've never told them about my own older brother, or any of my siblings in fact. It's a real-life YouNeverAsked thing for me, and I think it was the same for Twilight. It never bothered me that she never told her friends she has a brother.
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** Let's not forget, this isn't a holiday meant to insult Luna but to have fun with the fearful stories brought on by her alter-ego which by all respects was a different entity entirely. Even Luna admits that Nightmare Moon should be feared and even makes remarks that separates her and her alter-ego as two different ponies. Let's be honest, if you had a Halloween styled holiday based on an alter-ego you once lived and today you absolutely despise, but while everyone around you equally feared it, they respect you entirely, would you really hold any malice or sadness towards them? It was just unfortunate misunderstandings and being 1000 years behind every other pony that caused Luna to feel out of place and depressed.
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*** Agreed that a cutie mark doesn't necessarily determine a pony's profession. A high majority of the ponies we've seen work based on their talents, and why wouldn't they? It's their talent and they wish to see it put to good use. It's more about choice than it is destiny, and there are bound to be some ponies who prefer to work in other professions, like Pinkie Pie who has a talent for parties but works in a cake store (which can be used for things other than parties), and Rainbow Dash who's talent is speed, and while she applies it in her work, her main job is weather management. However, the literal interpretation of the symbols of the cutie marks is off.
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*** Huh. Well, I guess that explains it. Thanks.
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*** Actually, Cadance may not have been physically able to fly a whole lot due to her confinement. The mine cart hit the dead end, they both flew into the air a good distance, and Cadance glided to even out their trajectory and make sure they landed safely on the opposite side.
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** I never got the impression Celestia and Cadance knew each other well at ''all''. They're both called "Princess" granted, but Celestia and Luna are the rulers of Equestria; Cadance seems more like a noblemare who actively interacts with the commoners outside of ceremonial duties. As for Cadance being Celestia's niece, well, Blueblood was supposed to be her nephew, and they didn't seem to know each other well either.
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* How the hell was ''Celestia'' fooled by Chrysalis? I mean, aren't Celestia and Cadance supposed to be close? I mean, with the Mane Six, it's because they never saw her before (or in the case of Twilight, for a long time), and in Shining Armor's case, he was brainwashed. But how was Celestia, someone who should know Cadance more, fooled by someone who is clearly bad at disguising as her, going as far as to laugh evilly during her freaking wedding?
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* Maybe I'm reading too much into this, but am I the only one who feels bad for the director? We're repeatedly told that this is a very important pageant, so this is presumably a professional production. (Yes, this could have been a community theatre production, but given the stated importance of the Canterlot pageant, they probably could have afforded some industry professionals on staff.) Suddenly, the princess tells you that you have to cast seven unknowns as the leads. Not because of their acting talent, but because she wants to teach them a lesson about friendship. Also, they have Derpy on their production staff. Poor guy.
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* Don't forget that Twilight didn't even bring up most of the worst evidence about Cadence - not only did she not mention that she didn't recognise her, she also didn't mention the argument she had with her brother. The only real problems she brought up, other than vague accusations that she was "EVIL!" could easily be explained away by saying Cadence just wanted her wedding to be perfect.
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* Don't forget that Twilight didn't even bring up most of the worst evidence about Cadence - not only did she not mention that she didn't recognise her, she also didn't mention the argument she had with her brother. The only real problems she brought up, other than vague accusations that she was "EVIL!" could easily be explained away by saying Cadence just wanted her wedding to be perfect.
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** Throughout the scene, you see Fluttershy trying to speak, but she never gets to say more than "I don't mind..." before being cut off. I assumed she was about to offer some to Rainbow Dash, but couldn't get a word in edgeways.
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** Knowing her character, Rarity likely would've felt pretty guilty, and seemed to consider it her responsibility to look after and get along with Sweetie Belle. It also isn't that Sweetie Belle's that much trouble as much as too many bad incidents happened in one day and the stress buily up and spilled over.
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** Knowing her character, Rarity likely would've felt pretty guilty, and seemed to consider it her responsibility to look after and get along with Sweetie Belle. It also isn't that Sweetie Belle's that much trouble as much as too many bad incidents happened in one day and the stress buily built up and spilled over.
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** Knowing her character, Rarity likely would've felt pretty guilty, and seemed to consider it her responsibility to look after and get along with Sweetie Belle. It also isn't that Sweetie Belle's that much trouble as much as too many bad incidents happened in one day and the stress buily up and spilled over.
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* If Sweetie Belle was really that much of a pain, couldn't Rarity have just asked Fluttershy to babysit for the day? Granted this would have negated the entire plot, but it would have saved Rarity a lot of headache.
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**** I'd also note that from the rest of the cast's perspective, fake!Cadance wasn't being ''that'' bad. Applejack doesn't ''know'' that she hated the food (she doesn't hear it until Twilight tells her later), Rarity takes her criticism of the dress in stride (and it really isn't that weird for a bride to be nitpicky about her dress), and her critiques of Pinkie dance and Fluttershy's bird chorus are shown to actually be accurate: Pinkie's dance ''is'' inappropriate for a wedding (even if the real Cadance is okay with it), and the bird really ''was'' singing off key. That and while we saw ''all'' the times Chrysalis was being a bitch, each of the cast members only saw individual occasions of it and chalked them up to wedding stress. Then you have the fact that frankly, it's kind of an enormous goodwill gesture to let five ponies you don't know be your bridesmaids, so that probably got fake!Cadance a ''lot'' of points with the other five of the group. Add in the fact that Twilight acts rather possessive and unhappy about the wedding from the get-go and doesn't back up her accusations with proof, and it really isn't a stretch for the rest of the cast to just assume that she's horribly overreacting.
