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* What prevents Akantor and Ukanlos from being classified as Elder Dragons, despite having many characteristics of them - non-capturable, are considered powerful in-universe, are usually in the highest tier of High Rank or G Rank? Sure, Raging Brachydios also has those characteristics, but it's a variant of a monster that the Guild knows well enough to fit into a more standard classification.

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* What prevents Akantor and Ukanlos from being classified as Elder Dragons, despite having many characteristics of them - non-capturable, are considered powerful in-universe, are usually in the highest tier of High Rank or G Rank? Sure, Raging Brachydios also has those characteristics, but it's a variant of a monster that the Guild knows has studied well enough (due to vanilla Brachy being capturable, for one) to fit into a more standard classification.
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* So, Poison Purr-ison. It's effectively a Pitfall Trap that also poisons the victim. If the monster who runs over it is immune to poison but not Pitfall Traps, why doesn't the trap simply catch the monster and not poison them, instead of being destroyed with no effect to the target?

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* So, Poison Purr-ison. It's effectively a Pitfall Trap that What prevents Akantor and Ukanlos from being classified as Elder Dragons, despite having many characteristics of them - non-capturable, are considered powerful in-universe, are usually in the highest tier of High Rank or G Rank? Sure, Raging Brachydios also poisons the victim. If the has those characteristics, but it's a variant of a monster who runs over it is immune to poison but not Pitfall Traps, why doesn't that the trap simply catch the monster and not poison them, instead of being destroyed with no effect Guild knows well enough to the target?fit into a more standard classification.

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* In ''World'', [[spoiler: the Research Commission plans to capture Zorah Magdaros, an ''Elder Dragon'', and more than a few [=NPCs=] point out how balls to the wall insane this plan is, since nobody has EVER captured one before. Which begs the question: Besides research purposes, [[AndThenWhat what]] ''[[AndThenWhat were]]'' [[AndThenWhat they planning to do with it after they captured it?]]]]

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* In ''World'', [[spoiler: the Research Commission plans to capture Zorah Magdaros, an ''Elder Dragon'', and more than a few [=NPCs=] point out how balls to the wall insane this plan is, since nobody has EVER captured one before. Which begs the question: Besides research purposes, [[AndThenWhat what]] ''[[AndThenWhat were]]'' [[AndThenWhat they planning to do with it after they captured it?]]]]it?]]



* Here's one related to ''World's'' final boss: [[spoiler:so Xeno'jiiva is suggested to be the reason for the Elder Crossing, where Elder Dragons journey across the ocean to die in the New World, because apparently they are attracted to the incubating Xeno'jiiva for some unclear reason. The Elder Crossing has been happening for an extremely long time, and now the ecosystem of the Rotten Vale and Coral Highlands is fueled by the corpses of Elder Dragons that have died there. So... now that Xeno'jiiva is dead, presumably the Elders aren't being attracted to the area anymore. Doesn't that mean the New World's ecosystem is going to shift dramatically if it can no longer depend on the released bioenergy of dead Elders?]]
** It is suggested in ''World'' that [[spoiler: Xeno was actually corrupting the cycle in the New World, by siphoning off the bioenergy the dead Elder Dragons released on death, with Xeno dead the cycle of the New World will apparently stabilize, remember when Xeno was nearing its "birth" the Elder Dragons only appeared because they were "going nuts" Xeno was an abberation, not a natural part of the cycle.]]

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* Here's one related to ''World's'' final boss: [[spoiler:so so Xeno'jiiva is suggested to be the reason for the Elder Crossing, where Elder Dragons journey across the ocean to die in the New World, because apparently they are attracted to the incubating Xeno'jiiva for some unclear reason. The Elder Crossing has been happening for an extremely long time, and now the ecosystem of the Rotten Vale and Coral Highlands is fueled by the corpses of Elder Dragons that have died there. So... now that Xeno'jiiva is dead, presumably the Elders aren't being attracted to the area anymore. Doesn't that mean the New World's ecosystem is going to shift dramatically if it can no longer depend on the released bioenergy of dead Elders?]]
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** It is suggested in ''World'' that [[spoiler: Xeno was actually corrupting the cycle in the New World, by siphoning off the bioenergy the dead Elder Dragons released on death, with Xeno dead the cycle of the New World will apparently stabilize, remember when Xeno was nearing its "birth" the Elder Dragons only appeared because they were "going nuts" nuts". Xeno was an abberation, not a natural part of the cycle.]]
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*** To add to this, basically, new Elder Dragons in any given game are given a reason to be fought in that game's plot, but returning Elder Dragons are there just for the sake of adding more content.
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** It is suggested in ''World'' that [[spoiler: Xeno was actually corrupting the cycle in the New World, by siphoning off the bioenergy the dead Elder Dragons released on death, with Xeno dead the cycle of the New World will apparently stabilize, remember when Xeno was nearing its "birth" the Elder Dragons only appeared because they were "going nuts" Xeno was an abberation, not a natural part of the cycle.]]
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** Desert Seltas Queen Concentrate could just be the name for a higher quality Seltas Queen Concentrate, the substance is only named like that because it's more commonly found in Desert Seltas Queens.
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* How does Desert Seltas Queen Concentrate ("D.S.[=QueenConcentrate=]") exist in ''Generations Ultimate'' if you can't hunt Desert Seltas or Desert Seltas Queen?

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* How does Desert Seltas Queen Concentrate ("D.S.[=QueenConcentrate=]") exist in ''Generations Ultimate'' if you can't hunt Desert Seltas or Desert Seltas Queen?Queen?
* So, Poison Purr-ison. It's effectively a Pitfall Trap that also poisons the victim. If the monster who runs over it is immune to poison but not Pitfall Traps, why doesn't the trap simply catch the monster and not poison them, instead of being destroyed with no effect to the target?
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* Here's one related to ''World's'' final boss: [[spoiler:so Xeno'jiiva is suggested to be the reason for the Elder Crossing, where Elder Dragons journey across the ocean to die in the New World, because apparently they are attracted to the incubating Xeno'jiiva for some unclear reason. The Elder Crossing has been happening for an extremely long time, and now the ecosystem of the Rotten Vale and Coral Highlands is fueled by the corpses of Elder Dragons that have died there. So... now that Xeno'jiiva is dead, presumably the Elders aren't being attracted to the area anymore. Doesn't that mean the New World's ecosystem is going to shift dramatically if it can no longer depend on the released bioenergy of dead Elders?]]

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* Here's one related to ''World's'' final boss: [[spoiler:so Xeno'jiiva is suggested to be the reason for the Elder Crossing, where Elder Dragons journey across the ocean to die in the New World, because apparently they are attracted to the incubating Xeno'jiiva for some unclear reason. The Elder Crossing has been happening for an extremely long time, and now the ecosystem of the Rotten Vale and Coral Highlands is fueled by the corpses of Elder Dragons that have died there. So... now that Xeno'jiiva is dead, presumably the Elders aren't being attracted to the area anymore. Doesn't that mean the New World's ecosystem is going to shift dramatically if it can no longer depend on the released bioenergy of dead Elders?]]Elders?]]
* How does Desert Seltas Queen Concentrate ("D.S.[=QueenConcentrate=]") exist in ''Generations Ultimate'' if you can't hunt Desert Seltas or Desert Seltas Queen?
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** It isn't really brought up in Monster Hunter: World, what with Astera being the only human settlement in the entire New World and Monster-Human incursions being exceedingly rare as a result, but as far back as MHFU, Teostra would occasionally have a quest on the Town map- which is literally right next to Dundorma, a fairly major human settlement in the Old World. Lao Shan Lung are also prone to Elder Dragon-Human incursions, as demonstrated by their constantly wandering through the Fortress and Town maps. Elder Dragons have also been known to just randomly interfere with normal hunts in the story (Ace Commander's backstory in MH4U), though obviously not in gameplay. All of this, on top of how stupendously dangerous anything labeled "Elder Dragon" really is, makes going after them first fairly reasonable.

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** It isn't really brought up in Monster Hunter: World, what with Astera being the only human settlement in the entire New World and Monster-Human incursions being exceedingly rare as a result, but as far back as MHFU, Teostra would occasionally have a quest on the Town map- which is literally right next to Dundorma, a fairly major human settlement in the Old World. Lao Shan Lung are also prone to Elder Dragon-Human incursions, as demonstrated by their constantly wandering through the Fortress and Town maps. Elder Dragons have also been known to just randomly interfere with normal hunts in the story (Ace Commander's backstory in MH4U), though obviously not in gameplay. All of this, on top of how stupendously dangerous anything labeled "Elder Dragon" really is, makes going after them first fairly reasonable.reasonable.
* Here's one related to ''World's'' final boss: [[spoiler:so Xeno'jiiva is suggested to be the reason for the Elder Crossing, where Elder Dragons journey across the ocean to die in the New World, because apparently they are attracted to the incubating Xeno'jiiva for some unclear reason. The Elder Crossing has been happening for an extremely long time, and now the ecosystem of the Rotten Vale and Coral Highlands is fueled by the corpses of Elder Dragons that have died there. So... now that Xeno'jiiva is dead, presumably the Elders aren't being attracted to the area anymore. Doesn't that mean the New World's ecosystem is going to shift dramatically if it can no longer depend on the released bioenergy of dead Elders?]]
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* Exactly how big of a threat are elder dragons really? most seem content with living in their inhospitable zones until a dumbass with a big sword wanders in and decides s/he wants its skin. sure there are a few that are genuine threats to existence like the gore magala or the Ceadeus which was causing massive quakes, but ones like the teostra seem content with the above first sentence. obviously in game terms they are powerful bosses but from an actual human standpoint, most of them seem to just want to be left alone.

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* Exactly how big of a threat are elder dragons really? most seem content with living in their inhospitable zones until a dumbass with a big sword wanders in and decides s/he wants its skin. sure there are a few that are genuine threats to existence like the gore magala or the Ceadeus which was causing massive quakes, but ones like the teostra seem content with the above first sentence. obviously in game terms they are powerful bosses but from an actual human standpoint, most of them seem to just want to be left alone.alone.
** It isn't really brought up in Monster Hunter: World, what with Astera being the only human settlement in the entire New World and Monster-Human incursions being exceedingly rare as a result, but as far back as MHFU, Teostra would occasionally have a quest on the Town map- which is literally right next to Dundorma, a fairly major human settlement in the Old World. Lao Shan Lung are also prone to Elder Dragon-Human incursions, as demonstrated by their constantly wandering through the Fortress and Town maps. Elder Dragons have also been known to just randomly interfere with normal hunts in the story (Ace Commander's backstory in MH4U), though obviously not in gameplay. All of this, on top of how stupendously dangerous anything labeled "Elder Dragon" really is, makes going after them first fairly reasonable.
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*** So basically they can only eat small creatures, probably no bigger than a Great Jaggi? Because they most definitely cannot swallow something like a Popo whole (small mouth) nor rip a chunk of meat out of it (chin gets in the way).
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** Well the commander told the researchers to bring anything they might need with them because they'd have to do all their studying on-site. There's no way they're bringing something that massive back to base. Later in the game everyone balks at the idea of killing ol' Magdy, so they were probably just going to let him go once they were done with him.

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** Well the commander told the researchers to bring anything they might need with them because they'd have to do all their studying on-site. There's no way they're bringing something that massive back to base. Later in the game everyone balks at the idea of killing ol' Magdy, so they were probably just going to let him go once they were done with him.him.
*Exactly how big of a threat are elder dragons really? most seem content with living in their inhospitable zones until a dumbass with a big sword wanders in and decides s/he wants its skin. sure there are a few that are genuine threats to existence like the gore magala or the Ceadeus which was causing massive quakes, but ones like the teostra seem content with the above first sentence. obviously in game terms they are powerful bosses but from an actual human standpoint, most of them seem to just want to be left alone.
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*** Most likely, the giant bullets are for gameplay visibility purposes. Given the scale of 3D models in ''[=MonHun=]'', [[AcceptableBreaksFromReality you'd have a hard time seeing your shots and whether they hit your targets if they were realistically-sized]].

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*** Most likely, the giant bullets are for gameplay visibility purposes. Given the scale of 3D models in ''[=MonHun=]'', [[AcceptableBreaksFromReality you'd have a hard time seeing your shots and whether they hit your targets if they were realistically-sized]]. The weapons being as big as or bigger than yourself can be explained with the same reasoning.
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*** Most likely, the giant bullets are for gameplay visibility purposes. Given the scale of 3D models in ''[=MonHun=]'', [[AcceptableBreaksFromReality you'd have a hard time seeing your shots and whether they hit your targets if they were realistically-sized]].
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** The early discovery of gunpowder makes way more sense considering the world MH takes place - there are not only naturally occurring monsters and animals that can create explosions (meaning you can harvest their organs and study them) but even plants with explosive properties. As such it was much easier to figure out 'stuff goes boom' and actually get it to work because unlike in our world, you don't have to go through the scientific process of discovering and mixing charcoal,saltpeter and sulfur - you can pretty much literally pick up gunpowder from the ground!
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* In ''World'', [[spoiler: the Research Commission plans to capture Zorah Magdaros, an ''Elder Dragon'', and more than a few [=NPCs=] point out how balls to the wall insane this plan is, since nobody has EVER captured one before. Which begs the question: Besides research purposes, [[AndThenWhat what]] ''[[AndThenWhat were]]'' [[AndThenWhat they planning to do with it after they captured it?]]]]

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* In ''World'', [[spoiler: the Research Commission plans to capture Zorah Magdaros, an ''Elder Dragon'', and more than a few [=NPCs=] point out how balls to the wall insane this plan is, since nobody has EVER captured one before. Which begs the question: Besides research purposes, [[AndThenWhat what]] ''[[AndThenWhat were]]'' [[AndThenWhat they planning to do with it after they captured it?]]]]it?]]]]
** Well the commander told the researchers to bring anything they might need with them because they'd have to do all their studying on-site. There's no way they're bringing something that massive back to base. Later in the game everyone balks at the idea of killing ol' Magdy, so they were probably just going to let him go once they were done with him.
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** In ''World'', [[spoiler: the Research Commission plans to capture Zorah Magdaros, an ''Elder Dragon'', and more than a few [=NPCs=] point out how balls to the wall insane this plan is, since nobody has EVER captured one before. Which begs the question: Besides research purposes, [[AndThenWhat what]] ''[[AndThenWhat were]]'' [[AndThenWhat they planning to do with it after they captured it?]]]]

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** * In ''World'', [[spoiler: the Research Commission plans to capture Zorah Magdaros, an ''Elder Dragon'', and more than a few [=NPCs=] point out how balls to the wall insane this plan is, since nobody has EVER captured one before. Which begs the question: Besides research purposes, [[AndThenWhat what]] ''[[AndThenWhat were]]'' [[AndThenWhat they planning to do with it after they captured it?]]]]
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** In ''World'', [[spoiler: the Research Commission plans to capture Zorah Magdaros, an ''Elder Dragon'', and more than a few NPCs point out how balls to the wall insane this plan is, since nobody has EVER captured one before. Which begs the question: Besides research purposes, [[AndThenWhat what]] ''[[AndThenWhat were]]'' [[AndThenWhat they planning to do with it after they captured it?]]]]

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** In ''World'', [[spoiler: the Research Commission plans to capture Zorah Magdaros, an ''Elder Dragon'', and more than a few NPCs [=NPCs=] point out how balls to the wall insane this plan is, since nobody has EVER captured one before. Which begs the question: Besides research purposes, [[AndThenWhat what]] ''[[AndThenWhat were]]'' [[AndThenWhat they planning to do with it after they captured it?]]]]
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*** You mean non-obligate herbivores. Many animals that people consider herbivores are actually omnivores with herbivorous tendencies. Horses, for example. True herbivores can't tolerate meat.

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*** You mean non-obligate herbivores. Many animals that people consider herbivores are actually omnivores with herbivorous tendencies. Horses, for example. True herbivores can't tolerate meat.meat.
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** According to canon, Elder Dragon is any monster powerful enough to bring destruction to whole ecosystems. So Elder Dragon is actually "this shit will mess everything up", not really being an old dragon.

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** According to canon, Elder Dragon is any monster powerful enough to bring destruction to whole ecosystems. So Elder Elder Dragon is actually "this shit will mess everything up", not really being an old dragon.


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** It's been confirmed in-game that Kirin and the like (Nakarkos and Yama Tsukami for example, as they're a giant cuttlefish and octopoid abomination respectively) are only considered Elder Dragons by the Guild because their body shape and biology are so radically different from any of the known monster families. Elder Dragons are less "dragon-like creatures" and more "creatures we have absolutely no freaking idea where to classify them".


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** If you beat the living daylights out of a hammer onto something that's supposedly stronger than tempered steel, you're going to notice the metal/bone/scales/whatever getting warped and chipped, making it weaker. Sharpening is more akin to reshaping the weapon to its previous, maximum potential form when it comes to blunt weapons.


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** According to the quest description for the Royal Ludroth quest "Royal Spit Take", the "water" that Leviathans and the like spit is less akin to water and more akin to watery gunk. Which can only be assumed to be infused with stamina-sapping toxins, considering things like the Mopeshroom and Wanchovy exist.


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** Leno jokes aside, they probably shovel their prey into their mouths with their jaws.
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** In real life, hippos are technically herbivores but are also one of the most dangerous animals in existence. They will attack anything they see as a threat, and will quite often scavenge their kills. In fact, most herbivores will eat meat if given the chance since it's more easily digestible, nutritious, and calorie-dense. As for Apceros, the same rules probably apply. Ankylosaurs were heavily armored and had giant bludgeons on their tails, as Apceros does. Apceros also has a beak, and new evidence suggests that beaked dinosaurs like Triceratops actually ate a decent amount of meat.

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** In real life, hippos are technically herbivores but are also one of the most dangerous animals in existence. They will attack anything they see as a threat, and will quite often scavenge their kills. In fact, most herbivores will eat meat if given the chance since it's more easily digestible, nutritious, and calorie-dense. As for Apceros, the same rules probably apply. Ankylosaurs were heavily armored and had giant bludgeons on their tails, as Apceros does. Apceros also has a beak, and new evidence suggests that beaked dinosaurs like Triceratops actually ate a decent amount of meat.
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*** Perhaps the catch-all term could be 'tempering'. Blunt objects can only take so much punishment, so the 'sharpening' reinforces them to make them last longer.

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*** ** Perhaps the catch-all term could be 'tempering'. Blunt objects can only take so much punishment, so the 'sharpening' reinforces them to make them last longer.longer.
** Hammers and Horns have edges and points used for inflicting damage, much like real-life war hammers. It is presumably those sharp areas that are being measured.

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** [[DayOldLegend We have a trope for that.]]



** Alternatively, the flavor text for both materials sate they are formed from compressed bone material. Depending on just how great the pressure gets under the sandsea, that could very well be geologically metamorphosed Jhen plating.

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** Alternatively, the flavor text for both materials sate state they are formed from compressed bone material. Depending on just how great the pressure gets under the sandsea, that could very well be geologically metamorphosed Jhen plating.



** They may share a common ancestor, just underwent different evolutionary paths.

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** They may share a common ancestor, just underwent different evolutionary paths.paths.
** In real life, hippos are technically herbivores but are also one of the most dangerous animals in existence. They will attack anything they see as a threat, and will quite often scavenge their kills. In fact, most herbivores will eat meat if given the chance since it's more easily digestible, nutritious, and calorie-dense. As for Apceros, the same rules probably apply. Ankylosaurs were heavily armored and had giant bludgeons on their tails, as Apceros does. Apceros also has a beak, and new evidence suggests that beaked dinosaurs like Triceratops actually ate a decent amount of meat.
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** It's possible to cook a steak well-done without it losing all of its moisture and flavor. Cooking well-done meat also doesn't lose very much of the nutrients in comparison to what it makes bio-available. And just like in the game, it's a narrow window between medium well, well-done and flavorful, and dried out (or burnt) but edible. Well-done meat is also more easily digestible since the connective tissues have been given more time to break down and is less likely to spread a food-borne illness. Give its AfterTheEnd setting, diseases spread by undercooking food could have possibly led to natural selection in favor of those who prefer their meat "so tasty".
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** According to Eastern folklore and myths, particularly in Japan, the Kirin is a super powerful creature distantly related to dragons. Some versions of it have it as the weakest variation of dragon while others have it as the strongest thing in existence, surpassing even the divine dragon used to represent the Emperor. That it is an Elder Dragon is meant to relate that it is a true draconic being and not simply a wyvern. That it is weaker than most other Elder Dragons is because by the time you fight it, you've got endgame equipment. Imagine a naked run with only basic weapons.
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** Ultimately, AllThereInTheManual shows that you are mostly correct. They're the surviving remnants of human beings AfterTheEnd, descended from super soldiers created to fight off the dragons as a world-enveloping war destroyed almost all life on the planet. The ancient civilization that predates the current era of the games used monsters as test subjects ForScience only for it to bite them in the butt. There are some implications (though unconfirmed) that the monsters were created by the ancients using cloning and genetic manipulation of dinosaurs. It's basically what [[Film/JurassicPark Ian Malcolm]] warned about actually coming to fruition.
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* Speaking of bones, what are Rhenoplos Bones doing inside G-Rank Slagtoths and Apceros?

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* Speaking of bones, what are Rhenoplos Bones doing inside G-Rank Slagtoths and Apceros?Apceros?
** They may share a common ancestor, just underwent different evolutionary paths.
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** Presumably a piece of its carapace, which is a Monoblos skull, and thus made of bone.

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** Presumably a piece of its carapace, which is a Monoblos skull, and thus made of bone.bone.
* Speaking of bones, what are Rhenoplos Bones doing inside G-Rank Slagtoths and Apceros?
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** According to canon, Elder Dragon is any monster powerful enough to bring destruction to whole ecosystems. So Elder Dragon is actually "this shit will mess everything up", not really being an old dragon.
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** ... from it's stomach?

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** ... from it's stomach?stomach?
** Presumably a piece of its carapace, which is a Monoblos skull, and thus made of bone.

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