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* What prevents Akantor and Ukanlos from being classified as Elder Dragons, despite having many characteristics of them - non-capturable, are considered powerful in-universe, are usually in the highest tier of High Rank or G Rank? Sure, Raging Brachydios also has those characteristics, but it's a variant of a monster that the Guild has studied well enough (due to vanilla Brachy being capturable, for one) to fit into a more standard classification.

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* What prevents Akantor and Ukanlos from being classified as Elder Dragons, despite having many characteristics of them - non-capturable, are considered powerful in-universe, are usually in the highest tier of High Rank or G Rank? Sure, Raging Brachydios also has those characteristics, but it's a variant of a monster that the Guild has studied well enough (due to vanilla Brachy being capturable, for one) to fit into a more standard classification.classification.
** Presumably it's simply because the most vital aspect of being considered an Elder Dragon isn't power, rarity, inability to be trapped, etc. but rather having a body and abilities that keep it from being classified with other types of monsters. Clearly, the bodies of Akantor and Ukanlos are accepted by the Guild to be those of pseudo flying wyverns. "Elder Dragon" isn't a true classification so much as a "garbage bin" term where all the monsters that the Monster Hunter scientists can't figure out get lumped together in. That many of them do have similarities to each other (top of the food chain, powers bordering on magic, and so on) does not appear to be the main motivation for them being classed as elder dragons.


* What prevents Akantor and Ukanlos from being classified as Elder Dragons, despite having many characteristics of them - non-capturable, are considered powerful in-universe, are usually in the highest tier of High Rank or G Rank? Sure, Raging Brachydios also has those characteristics, but it's a variant of a monster that the Guild knows well enough to fit into a more standard classification.

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* What prevents Akantor and Ukanlos from being classified as Elder Dragons, despite having many characteristics of them - non-capturable, are considered powerful in-universe, are usually in the highest tier of High Rank or G Rank? Sure, Raging Brachydios also has those characteristics, but it's a variant of a monster that the Guild knows has studied well enough (due to vanilla Brachy being capturable, for one) to fit into a more standard classification.


* So, Poison Purr-ison. It's effectively a Pitfall Trap that also poisons the victim. If the monster who runs over it is immune to poison but not Pitfall Traps, why doesn't the trap simply catch the monster and not poison them, instead of being destroyed with no effect to the target?

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* So, Poison Purr-ison. It's effectively a Pitfall Trap that What prevents Akantor and Ukanlos from being classified as Elder Dragons, despite having many characteristics of them - non-capturable, are considered powerful in-universe, are usually in the highest tier of High Rank or G Rank? Sure, Raging Brachydios also poisons the victim. If the has those characteristics, but it's a variant of a monster who runs over it is immune to poison but not Pitfall Traps, why doesn't that the trap simply catch the monster and not poison them, instead of being destroyed with no effect Guild knows well enough to the target?fit into a more standard classification.


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* In ''World'', [[spoiler: the Research Commission plans to capture Zorah Magdaros, an ''Elder Dragon'', and more than a few [=NPCs=] point out how balls to the wall insane this plan is, since nobody has EVER captured one before. Which begs the question: Besides research purposes, [[AndThenWhat what]] ''[[AndThenWhat were]]'' [[AndThenWhat they planning to do with it after they captured it?]]]]

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* In ''World'', [[spoiler: the Research Commission plans to capture Zorah Magdaros, an ''Elder Dragon'', and more than a few [=NPCs=] point out how balls to the wall insane this plan is, since nobody has EVER captured one before. Which begs the question: Besides research purposes, [[AndThenWhat what]] ''[[AndThenWhat were]]'' [[AndThenWhat they planning to do with it after they captured it?]]]]it?]]



* Here's one related to ''World's'' final boss: [[spoiler:so Xeno'jiiva is suggested to be the reason for the Elder Crossing, where Elder Dragons journey across the ocean to die in the New World, because apparently they are attracted to the incubating Xeno'jiiva for some unclear reason. The Elder Crossing has been happening for an extremely long time, and now the ecosystem of the Rotten Vale and Coral Highlands is fueled by the corpses of Elder Dragons that have died there. So... now that Xeno'jiiva is dead, presumably the Elders aren't being attracted to the area anymore. Doesn't that mean the New World's ecosystem is going to shift dramatically if it can no longer depend on the released bioenergy of dead Elders?]]
** It is suggested in ''World'' that [[spoiler: Xeno was actually corrupting the cycle in the New World, by siphoning off the bioenergy the dead Elder Dragons released on death, with Xeno dead the cycle of the New World will apparently stabilize, remember when Xeno was nearing its "birth" the Elder Dragons only appeared because they were "going nuts" Xeno was an abberation, not a natural part of the cycle.]]

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* Here's one related to ''World's'' final boss: [[spoiler:so so Xeno'jiiva is suggested to be the reason for the Elder Crossing, where Elder Dragons journey across the ocean to die in the New World, because apparently they are attracted to the incubating Xeno'jiiva for some unclear reason. The Elder Crossing has been happening for an extremely long time, and now the ecosystem of the Rotten Vale and Coral Highlands is fueled by the corpses of Elder Dragons that have died there. So... now that Xeno'jiiva is dead, presumably the Elders aren't being attracted to the area anymore. Doesn't that mean the New World's ecosystem is going to shift dramatically if it can no longer depend on the released bioenergy of dead Elders?]]
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** It is suggested in ''World'' that [[spoiler: Xeno was actually corrupting the cycle in the New World, by siphoning off the bioenergy the dead Elder Dragons released on death, with Xeno dead the cycle of the New World will apparently stabilize, remember when Xeno was nearing its "birth" the Elder Dragons only appeared because they were "going nuts" nuts". Xeno was an abberation, not a natural part of the cycle.]]

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*** To add to this, basically, new Elder Dragons in any given game are given a reason to be fought in that game's plot, but returning Elder Dragons are there just for the sake of adding more content.

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** It is suggested in ''World'' that [[spoiler: Xeno was actually corrupting the cycle in the New World, by siphoning off the bioenergy the dead Elder Dragons released on death, with Xeno dead the cycle of the New World will apparently stabilize, remember when Xeno was nearing its "birth" the Elder Dragons only appeared because they were "going nuts" Xeno was an abberation, not a natural part of the cycle.]]

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** Desert Seltas Queen Concentrate could just be the name for a higher quality Seltas Queen Concentrate, the substance is only named like that because it's more commonly found in Desert Seltas Queens.


* How does Desert Seltas Queen Concentrate ("D.S.[=QueenConcentrate=]") exist in ''Generations Ultimate'' if you can't hunt Desert Seltas or Desert Seltas Queen?

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* How does Desert Seltas Queen Concentrate ("D.S.[=QueenConcentrate=]") exist in ''Generations Ultimate'' if you can't hunt Desert Seltas or Desert Seltas Queen?Queen?
* So, Poison Purr-ison. It's effectively a Pitfall Trap that also poisons the victim. If the monster who runs over it is immune to poison but not Pitfall Traps, why doesn't the trap simply catch the monster and not poison them, instead of being destroyed with no effect to the target?


* Here's one related to ''World's'' final boss: [[spoiler:so Xeno'jiiva is suggested to be the reason for the Elder Crossing, where Elder Dragons journey across the ocean to die in the New World, because apparently they are attracted to the incubating Xeno'jiiva for some unclear reason. The Elder Crossing has been happening for an extremely long time, and now the ecosystem of the Rotten Vale and Coral Highlands is fueled by the corpses of Elder Dragons that have died there. So... now that Xeno'jiiva is dead, presumably the Elders aren't being attracted to the area anymore. Doesn't that mean the New World's ecosystem is going to shift dramatically if it can no longer depend on the released bioenergy of dead Elders?]]

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* Here's one related to ''World's'' final boss: [[spoiler:so Xeno'jiiva is suggested to be the reason for the Elder Crossing, where Elder Dragons journey across the ocean to die in the New World, because apparently they are attracted to the incubating Xeno'jiiva for some unclear reason. The Elder Crossing has been happening for an extremely long time, and now the ecosystem of the Rotten Vale and Coral Highlands is fueled by the corpses of Elder Dragons that have died there. So... now that Xeno'jiiva is dead, presumably the Elders aren't being attracted to the area anymore. Doesn't that mean the New World's ecosystem is going to shift dramatically if it can no longer depend on the released bioenergy of dead Elders?]]Elders?]]
* How does Desert Seltas Queen Concentrate ("D.S.[=QueenConcentrate=]") exist in ''Generations Ultimate'' if you can't hunt Desert Seltas or Desert Seltas Queen?


** It isn't really brought up in Monster Hunter: World, what with Astera being the only human settlement in the entire New World and Monster-Human incursions being exceedingly rare as a result, but as far back as MHFU, Teostra would occasionally have a quest on the Town map- which is literally right next to Dundorma, a fairly major human settlement in the Old World. Lao Shan Lung are also prone to Elder Dragon-Human incursions, as demonstrated by their constantly wandering through the Fortress and Town maps. Elder Dragons have also been known to just randomly interfere with normal hunts in the story (Ace Commander's backstory in MH4U), though obviously not in gameplay. All of this, on top of how stupendously dangerous anything labeled "Elder Dragon" really is, makes going after them first fairly reasonable.

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** It isn't really brought up in Monster Hunter: World, what with Astera being the only human settlement in the entire New World and Monster-Human incursions being exceedingly rare as a result, but as far back as MHFU, Teostra would occasionally have a quest on the Town map- which is literally right next to Dundorma, a fairly major human settlement in the Old World. Lao Shan Lung are also prone to Elder Dragon-Human incursions, as demonstrated by their constantly wandering through the Fortress and Town maps. Elder Dragons have also been known to just randomly interfere with normal hunts in the story (Ace Commander's backstory in MH4U), though obviously not in gameplay. All of this, on top of how stupendously dangerous anything labeled "Elder Dragon" really is, makes going after them first fairly reasonable.reasonable.
* Here's one related to ''World's'' final boss: [[spoiler:so Xeno'jiiva is suggested to be the reason for the Elder Crossing, where Elder Dragons journey across the ocean to die in the New World, because apparently they are attracted to the incubating Xeno'jiiva for some unclear reason. The Elder Crossing has been happening for an extremely long time, and now the ecosystem of the Rotten Vale and Coral Highlands is fueled by the corpses of Elder Dragons that have died there. So... now that Xeno'jiiva is dead, presumably the Elders aren't being attracted to the area anymore. Doesn't that mean the New World's ecosystem is going to shift dramatically if it can no longer depend on the released bioenergy of dead Elders?]]


* Exactly how big of a threat are elder dragons really? most seem content with living in their inhospitable zones until a dumbass with a big sword wanders in and decides s/he wants its skin. sure there are a few that are genuine threats to existence like the gore magala or the Ceadeus which was causing massive quakes, but ones like the teostra seem content with the above first sentence. obviously in game terms they are powerful bosses but from an actual human standpoint, most of them seem to just want to be left alone.

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* Exactly how big of a threat are elder dragons really? most seem content with living in their inhospitable zones until a dumbass with a big sword wanders in and decides s/he wants its skin. sure there are a few that are genuine threats to existence like the gore magala or the Ceadeus which was causing massive quakes, but ones like the teostra seem content with the above first sentence. obviously in game terms they are powerful bosses but from an actual human standpoint, most of them seem to just want to be left alone.alone.
** It isn't really brought up in Monster Hunter: World, what with Astera being the only human settlement in the entire New World and Monster-Human incursions being exceedingly rare as a result, but as far back as MHFU, Teostra would occasionally have a quest on the Town map- which is literally right next to Dundorma, a fairly major human settlement in the Old World. Lao Shan Lung are also prone to Elder Dragon-Human incursions, as demonstrated by their constantly wandering through the Fortress and Town maps. Elder Dragons have also been known to just randomly interfere with normal hunts in the story (Ace Commander's backstory in MH4U), though obviously not in gameplay. All of this, on top of how stupendously dangerous anything labeled "Elder Dragon" really is, makes going after them first fairly reasonable.

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*** So basically they can only eat small creatures, probably no bigger than a Great Jaggi? Because they most definitely cannot swallow something like a Popo whole (small mouth) nor rip a chunk of meat out of it (chin gets in the way).


** Well the commander told the researchers to bring anything they might need with them because they'd have to do all their studying on-site. There's no way they're bringing something that massive back to base. Later in the game everyone balks at the idea of killing ol' Magdy, so they were probably just going to let him go once they were done with him.

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** Well the commander told the researchers to bring anything they might need with them because they'd have to do all their studying on-site. There's no way they're bringing something that massive back to base. Later in the game everyone balks at the idea of killing ol' Magdy, so they were probably just going to let him go once they were done with him.him.
*Exactly how big of a threat are elder dragons really? most seem content with living in their inhospitable zones until a dumbass with a big sword wanders in and decides s/he wants its skin. sure there are a few that are genuine threats to existence like the gore magala or the Ceadeus which was causing massive quakes, but ones like the teostra seem content with the above first sentence. obviously in game terms they are powerful bosses but from an actual human standpoint, most of them seem to just want to be left alone.


*** Most likely, the giant bullets are for gameplay visibility purposes. Given the scale of 3D models in ''[=MonHun=]'', [[AcceptableBreaksFromReality you'd have a hard time seeing your shots and whether they hit your targets if they were realistically-sized]].

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*** Most likely, the giant bullets are for gameplay visibility purposes. Given the scale of 3D models in ''[=MonHun=]'', [[AcceptableBreaksFromReality you'd have a hard time seeing your shots and whether they hit your targets if they were realistically-sized]]. The weapons being as big as or bigger than yourself can be explained with the same reasoning.

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*** Most likely, the giant bullets are for gameplay visibility purposes. Given the scale of 3D models in ''[=MonHun=]'', [[AcceptableBreaksFromReality you'd have a hard time seeing your shots and whether they hit your targets if they were realistically-sized]].

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