History Headscratchers / JusticeLeagueDoom

*** The whole plan required a massive amount of handwaving for it to work, along the lines of Superman's "pushing the planet out of the way" silliness. What was approaching the planet that would do the damage wasn't light from the flare, but particulate matter, which travels much slower and the electromagnetic field from the rocket is not capable of accelerating it to light speed. Basically for the plan to work it would require the EM field to be stable for at least a a decade (not gonna happen), the flare remaining hot enough to scorch the surface of the planet during that time (just no), and no one doing anything to stop it (clearly not).

* Why does Batman have loads of contingency plans aimed at his own allies, but apparently has next to none aimed at ''the villains'', who are already "rogue threats to humanity?" If Batman were as obsessive about preparing for the day Mirror Master or Bane show up at Wayne Manor, Savage's plot wouldn't have gotten started. (Granted, i suppose this makes it a NecessaryWeasel.)

* So...did the old lady in the train die? Mirror Master says she would be automatically killed when the timer ran out. It's still very audibly counting down after the bomb gets strapped to Flash's wrist and he runs off. So did she die? Was Mirror Master lying? I don't think it's ever explained or resolved.

** Flash isn't trying to get anywhere fast except "away from people." Circling the globe several times a second means that a portion of his time is spent in the middle of cities and populated areas. Going just fast enough to keep the bomb from going off is a tactical choice. Besides -- do you always sprint? No, nobody is always going their top speed. Flash wasn't going several times the speed of light because there was no reason to.

** Throwing a batarang at the Joker's face and setting up Superman to get shot by a kryptonite or drugging Wonder Woman so she dies of exhaustion is not the same thing. The fact that it takes so few twinkling to turn his plan into an assassination for his friend while for his rogue gallery it's wait untilt they break the law then punch them hard is really worrying.
* How did Vandal Savage know who Batman was? I don't think he's even known who Batman was in any story.
** In Tower of Babel, it's R'as al-Ghul who takes out the League, so they probably just kept that plot point for the purpose of convenience. Besides, he's an immortal supergenius, so the vast majority of people wouldn't question it.

** Savage knew who Batman was before he ever met Bane- this is explicitly shown in the movie. The reason he knows is because, as mentioned, he is an immortal supergenius, so its not a stretch to imagine that he could figure it out.

** Thats a problem in the comic as well; presumably Batman just had a different method of getting to the heroes and both Vandal Savage and Ra's Al Ghul are willing to play dice with the lives of innocent people, and found that easier. The GL thing might play on his guilt even if he turned rogue, or it might just have had a different effect that still sapped his willpower. The bigger problem, which again was in the comics, was that plans themselves were pretty damn evil, like the one against the Flash actually put innocent lives at risk not as part of the implementation, but inherently- if Flash was evil, or BrainwashedAndCrazy, he might decide that letting a entire city die just to spite someone is fair trade; the Martian Manhunter's fate was something Batman wouldn't wish on his own worst enemy, while with WonderWoman the plan required her to beat up scores of innocent people before dying, several hours later, of a painful heart attack.

*** The point is not that Evil Batman would become a moustache-twirling villain; it's that he's neither perfect nor invulnerable. Yes, he figured out ways to beat the Justice League, but it's hardly impossible for the Justice League to also figure out a way of beating ''him'', seeing as he has no superpowers, the League ''do'', the League aren't idiots and no plan survives contact with the enemy for long. For all that Vandal Savage had Batman's plans, at the end of the day he still ''lost''; clearly Batman's plans are effective, but they can be overcome. For all his plans, realistically the only way that Batman vs. the entire Justice League isn't at the end of the day a ridiculously lop-sided match against Batman is if we're going the full Marty Stu route with added [[CreatorsFavorite creator favoritism]] and free {{Idiot Ball}}s for the Justice League to make things even for Batman.

*** The point is not that Evil Batman would become a moustache-twirling villain; it's that he's neither perfect nor invulnerable. Yes, he figured out ways to beat the Justice League, but it's hardly impossible for the Justice League to also figure out a way of beating ''him'', seeing as he has no superpowers, the League ''do'', the League aren't idiots and no plan survives contact with the enemy for long. For all that Vandal Savage had Batman's plans, at the end of the day he still ''lost''; clearly Batman's plans are effective, but they can be overcome. For all his plans, realistically the only way that Batman vs. the entire Justice League isn't at the end of the day a ridiculously lop-sided match against Batman is if we're going the full MartyStu route with added [[CreatorsFavorite creator favoritism]] and free {{Idiot Ball}}s for the Justice League to make things even for Batman.

** I don't think he was actually running at his fastest speed. He knows that the faster he runs, the smaller the room his speed has. So he'll start off slow, and will start running faster. It's not unreasonable to think that he CAN run faster than the speed of light (hence Speed Force), but he just chose not to do so.

* It bothers me that Superman and GL both seem faster than the Flash. They both are clearly dozens of times faster than light , just going by their space shenanigans. Flash clearly is much slower than light, considering he didn't circle the earth several times each second that he was running at top speed and the fact that ice propelled from an exploding iceberg was actually able to touch him. What gives?

** Batman does have plans presumably for every known villain and they probably get deployed successfully all the time but we don't get to see story where the villain shows up and is taken down in two moves.

* Why Ma'alefa'ak and Star Sapphire would care about Savage's plans since they have the power to travel across the universe and take over any planet they want?

* Why Malefic and Star Sapphire would care about Savage's plans since they have the power to travel across the universe and take over any planet they want?

** "Life" does not actually mean "life" in legal terminology; he'll probably be locked up until he appears to have redeemed himself / humanity has advanced to the point he is less of a threat / he breaks out of prison. Really they just mean "indefinitely".

** Remember, Batman is often implied to be at least a little crazy himself, possibly as a result of Gotham being what it is. This may have played into some of the plans' less-thought-out aspects.

** Really, if anyone is to blame for the failure of the plan, its Savage himself- he should have launched the missle the moment the Justice League were incapacitated (and pull a YouHaveOutlivedYourUsefulness on his minions), but he wanted to offer these criminals a chance to rule the world with him (even though none of them usually go after something like that, and probably wouldn't make very good rulers). Mostly he seemed to just waste time because he was oh-so-confident that his plan would succeed and the other villains would appreciate his genius.

* Isn't giving an immortal life in prison without possibility of parole ''by definition'' a cruel and unusual punishment, and therefore ''illegal''? The fact that the Justice League didn't bat an eye to this sentence strikes me as odd. Sure he's a really sick fuck, but ''infinity''? Not the thousands or ''maybe'' millions of years he deserves, but an ''infinite'' punishment for a horrible but still finite crime?

** And a clip from a totally different work is irrelevant to this one.