History Headscratchers / JunjiIto

** With a wee bit of guesswork math, we have in one side a sperm whale weighing about 14 tons, and on the other side a pile of people that, if I recall correctly, would be at most 50 people(yes, I'm erring towards the bigger side; the walkers were the same size that were used to walk sharks), weighing about 5 tons(gas would obviously raise mass a lot more than weight; hence why bodies may float from the depths of water after a while dead). So, yes, the walker cannot support a whale, yet can support a mountain of fating zombies that weight three times less than a whale.

* Ok, I have a bit of problem accepting one of the aspects of the series ''{{Gyo}}''. Don't get me wrong, it's a great manga and downright disturbing. But, there's a tiny problem with the story's logic (not counting the ones that can be explained by RuleOfCoole or RuleOfScary). At one point in the story, a walker-powered whale shows up before it instantly collapses under its weight. Ok, fine, SquareCubeLaw and everything. But, later in the series [[spoiler: '''huge''' towering machines are seen walking about powered by massive piles or corpses]]. How? It's shown that the gas-inducing bacteria bloats the victims and increases their mass. If that is the case, then this would mean the infected humans are heavier than they were before becoming zombies (as evident when Kaori collapsed after trying to hang herself when she became infected). Therefore, huge piles of infected people would way hundreds, if not thousands of pounds (even if you don't take the gas into consideration, a lot of humans is quite heavy). How is it that these walkers cannot support a whale, yet can support mountains of farting zombies?

**** Just to chip in with my two cents regarding all of these - I don't think Ito himself knows why and what is going on in many of his works. That's how he does things, he cripples story in favor of horror. Sure it doesn't hurt to theorize, but ultimately one shouldn't think ''too'' much about it. If you think of a satisfying explanation on your own, it's probably as correct as anything anyone else could say.

**** Just to chip in with my two cents regarding all of these - I don't think Ito himself knows why and what is going on in many of his works. That's how he does things, he cripples story in favor of horror. Sure it doesn't hurt to theorize, but ultimately one shouldn't think ''too'' much about it. If you think of a satisfying explanation on your own, it's probably as correct as anything anyone else could say.
* Far less a bug and far more a generic [[WildMassGuessing WMG]] about Juni Ito's work: Why am I increasingly convinced that Juji Ito is a fan of (or inspired by) [[TabletopGame/{{Warhammer40000}} Warhammer 40,000, particularly the Chaos faction?]] All of his works would sit in the 40K universe without as much as a hiccup to adapt, just like ''Film/EventHorizon''. Heck, even the 'villains' and mutations look like spawns/work of the Chaos gods, if not outright [[EldritchAbomination lesser Chaos gods...]]
** Yeah, bit myopic right there. If you look into detail at the kind of stuff Japanese horror manga comes up with, you'll find that Ito fits well right in. There's some ''twisted'' stuff out there. Some of it is which is extraordinarily difficult just to explain in words...
** OP here. Point taken, which then only takes the question to the next level: Why are Japanese horror Mangas so good at portraying psychological horror that can easily match 40K level!?
*** Maybe it's the opposite, and 40K is inspired by Japanese horror.
**** 40K and Junji Ito are both heavily influenced by H.P. Lovecraft, so it's not shocking they would come up with similar stuff.
** I have a better question - How come ''every'' author of SurrealHorror or weird fiction is a fan of Warhammer 40k?

* Far less a bug and far more a generic [[WildMassGuessing WMG]] about Juni Ito's work: Why am I increasingly convinced that Juji Ito is a fan of (or inspired by) [[TabletopGame/{{Warhammer40000}} Warhammer 40,000, particularly the Chaos faction?]] All of his works would sit in the 40K universe without as much as a hiccup to adapt, just like [[EventHorizon Event Horizon.]] Heck, even the 'villains' and mutations look like spawns/work of the Chaos gods, if not outright [[EldritchAbomination lesser Chaos gods...]]

**** 40K and Junji Ito are both heavily influenced by H.P. Lovecraft, so it's not shocking they would come up with similar stuff.

* Far less a bug and far more a generic [[WildMassGuessing WMG]] about Juni Ito's work: Why am I increasingly convinced that Juji Ito is a fan of (or inspired by) [[{{warhammer40000}} Warhammer 40,000, particularly the Chaos faction?]] All of his works would sit in the 40K universe without as much as a hiccup to adapt, just like [[EventHorizon Event Horizon.]] Heck, even the 'villains' and mutations look like spawns/work of the Chaos gods, if not outright [[EldritchAbomination lesser Chaos gods...]]

*** I had a theory about this one...the way I saw it, it wasn't ''just'' this one person doing it. It was some other group--who, I have no idea--that broadcast subliminal messages into the large groups of people--the bigger the group, the more people would get the message and feel compelled to stitch everyone together and kill them. After this, they were still under MindControl, so after assembling their portion in some way, they'd stitch themselves in. The vanishing? Well, my thoughts was that the broadcasters [[AlienAbduction weren't human, and took the 500 people away in an instant for the deed.]] [[{{YMMV}} But that's just my theory.]]

*** Maybe it's the opposite, and 40K is inspired by Japanese horror.

*** My interpretation is that [[spoiler:Natsuko was merely driven insane and imitating the murders]]. However, it offers absolutely no explanation of what the hell was happening.

*** Maybe it's the opposite, and 40K is inspired by Japanese horror.
* Absolutely nothing was explained by the ending of Army of One. [[spoiler:How where the murders happening so quickly and unseen? What exactly was the "Army of One"?]]

*** Maybe it's the opposite, and 40K is inspired by Japanese horror.

** OP here. Point taken, which then only takes the question to the next level: Why are Japanese horror Mangas so good at portraying psychological horror that can easily match 40K level!?

** Yeah, bit myopic right there. If you look into detail at the kind of stuff Japanese horror manga comes up with, you'll find that Ito fits well right in. There's some ''twisted'' stuff out there. Some of it is which is extraordinarily difficult just to explain in words...

* Far less a bug and far more a generic [[WildMassGuessing WMG]] about Juni Ito's work: Why am I increasingly convinced that Juji Ito is a fan of (or inspired by) [[{{warhammer40000}} Warhammer 40,000, particularly the Chaos faction?]] All of his works would sit in the 40K universe without as much as a hiccup to adapt, just like [[EventHorizon Event Horizon.]] Heck, even the 'villains' and mutations look like spawns/work of the Chaos gods, if not outright [[EldritchAbomination lesser Chaos gods...]]

* Far less a bug and far more a generic [[WildMassGuessing WMG]] about Juni Ito's work: Why am I increasingly convinced that Juji Ito is a fan of (or inspired by) [[Warhammer40000 Warhammer 40,000, particularly the Chaos faction?]] All of his works would sit in the 40K universe without as much as a hiccup to adapt, just like [[EventHorizon Event Horizon...]]

*** I had a theory about this one...the way I saw it, it wasn't ''just'' this one person doing it. It was some other group--who, I have no idea--that broadcast subliminal messages into the large groups of people--the bigger the group, the more people would get the message and feel compelled to stitch everyone together and kill them. After this, they were still under MindControl, so after assembling their portion in some way, they'd stitch themselves in. The vanishing? Well, my thoughts was that the broadcasters [[AlienAbduction weren't human, and took the 500 people away in an instant for the deed.]] [[{{YMMV}} But that's just my theory.]]

*** I had a theory about this one...the way I saw it, it wasn't ''just'' this one person doing it. It was some other group--who, I have no idea--that broadcast subliminal messages into the large groups of people--the bigger the group, the more people would get the message and feel compelled to stitch everyone together and kill them. After this, they were still under MindControl, so after assembling their portion in some way, they'd stitch themselves in. The vanishing? Well, my thoughts was that the broadcasters [[AlienAbduction weren't human, and took the 500 people away in an instant for the deed.]] [[YMMV But that's just my theory.]]

*** I had a theory about this one...the way I saw it, it wasn't ''just'' this one person doing it. It was some other group--who, I have no idea--that broadcast subliminal messages into the large groups of people--the bigger the group, the more people would get the message and feel compelled to stitch everyone together and kill them. After this, they were still under MindControl, so after assembling their portion in some way, they'd stitch themselves in. The vanishing? Well, my thoughts was that the broadcasters [[AlienAbduction weren't human, and took the 500 people away in an instant for the deed.]] [[WMG But that's just my theory.]]

** And finally, ''Army of One''. Creepy as hell, yes. Unsettling reveal of who's the culprit as well as yanking the hope of a happy ending? Sure, that' awesome! But how, exactly, did the "Stitch Killer" do it? How could over 500 people simply disappear under heavy security and then suddenly appear in another place all stitched up. Or, worse, the gruesome Christmas decoration?