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** It's possible that such a talent is so rare that it's more trouble than it's worth to find these people, recruit them, train them, and put them into service. Plus Eco is used to power the city, the shield wall, weaponry that can be used by anyone, healthpacks, etc, whereas Jak could only channel it for 30 seconds at most.

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** It's possible that such a talent is so rare that it's more trouble than it's worth to find these people, recruit them, train them, and put them into service. Plus Eco is used to power the city, the shield wall, weaponry that can be used by anyone, healthpacks, etc, whereas Jak could only channel it for 30 seconds at most.most.
* How did Kor ever manage to get outside the Hip Hog?
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* Since there are people who can channel certain Eco and use it for various uses, why didn't the Baron recruit these individuals into the KG? Surely having a Green Eco sage / healer would do well during a battle, and having somebody who can use Eco to fix machinery would definitely work.

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* Since there are people who can channel certain Eco and use it for various uses, why didn't the Baron recruit these individuals into the KG? Surely having a Green Eco sage / healer would do well during a battle, and having somebody who can use Eco to fix machinery would definitely work.work.
** It's possible that such a talent is so rare that it's more trouble than it's worth to find these people, recruit them, train them, and put them into service. Plus Eco is used to power the city, the shield wall, weaponry that can be used by anyone, healthpacks, etc, whereas Jak could only channel it for 30 seconds at most.
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** It's also possible that the ottsels are lying when they say they are precursors.
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** Assuming that Kiera was 15 in Jak 2, and Errol is most likely in his 20's - 30's, I think it's safe to say that Errol's a creep.



**Pretty sure Daxter was made by another game company. Another explanation is that Daxter uses a different engine / different console, so porting it would have been tedious.



** Maybe colored Eco does exist, but it's mixed up heavily with dark / other colors that in order to get pure colors one would have to refine it. Also, they probably use eco in various appliances / technology. So, red would be used for weapons, dark for fuel / experimental/, blue for computers, yellow for precision, and green for medical kits / healing.



*** Well, the KG is an organized military force, while the Underground is a group of ex - KG members and smugglers. It's safe to say that the Underground has numerous people who were Criminals / dealt with law enforcement one way or another. They probably know how to stay hidden and have connections with some influential people. Also, guerilla tactics.



** He could have had supporters who re - built him. Errol is a military commander who is popular with the city and is considered a "war hero" by his fellow comrades. It's not impossible to say that he had followers / elite guards who helped fix him.



** Leaving the port open would be an open invitation for the Metal Heads to attack. Plus the only resources that we see coming into the city are aboard flying tankers and as far as the average citizen of Haven City knows there aren't any other cities to trade with. (At least before Jak X of course.)

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** Leaving the port open would be an open invitation for the Metal Heads to attack. Plus the only resources that we see coming into the city are aboard flying tankers and as far as the average citizen of Haven City knows there aren't any other cities to trade with. (At least before Jak X of course.))
* Since there are people who can channel certain Eco and use it for various uses, why didn't the Baron recruit these individuals into the KG? Surely having a Green Eco sage / healer would do well during a battle, and having somebody who can use Eco to fix machinery would definitely work.
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** It should be noted that at the time of Jak 1, the story wasn't as developed and certain plot points weren't even thought of yet by Naughty Dog (like the time travelling arc), so at the time, it really was a curse until being Retconned into a blessing for later plot convenience.
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** Leaving the port open would be an open invitation for the Metal Heads to attack. Plus the only resources that we see coming into the city are aboard flying tankers and as far as the average citizen of Haven City knows there aren't any other cities to trade with. (At least before Jak X of course.)
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** Leaving the port open would be an open invitation for the Metal Heads to attack. Plus the only resources that we see coming into the city are aboard flying tankers and as far as the average citizen of Haven City knows there aren't any other cities to trade with. (At least before Jak X of course.)
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* For that matter, why didn't anyone notice that Kor wasn't there? Why didn't this bother anyone? Later on Kor shows up and nobody seems to even care that he vanished from the KGs clutches when even the Shadow couldn't escape.

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* For that matter, why didn't anyone notice that Kor wasn't there? Why didn't this bother anyone? Later on Kor shows up and nobody seems to even care that he vanished from the KGs KG's clutches when even the Shadow couldn't escape.
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** He might've been out meeting with the metal heads or something.

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**Maybe near Haven forest but further north or south? It's the only real option.



** Samos connection to nature isn't as strong as it was in the first game since so much of it is gone by Jak 2. If you look out from the top of the palace, the only spot with green around the city is Haven Forest, the rest of it is gray wasteland. Haven city too is mostly devoid of plant life (besides the big farmish areas near the bazaar).



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** Leaving the port open would be an open invitation for the Metal Heads to attack. Plus the only resources that we see coming into the city are aboard flying tankers and as far as the average citizen of Haven City knows there aren't any other cities to trade with. (At least before Jak X of course.)
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** Mar's statue has a very similar looking sword. For all we know, it was an unstopable precursor weapon which would have utterly destroyed our metal-headed enemy if he'd managed to hit him with it. And the Barron never leaves the palace without the sword, as shown in the fortress right at the start of the game...
** Alternatively, it's a dress sword - you know, like officers in a lot of modern militaries still have - and part of the official regalia. The destruction of the Metal Head leader being a major event, of course he'd be in full dress uniform for it. So, in essence, it really is just for the dramatic gesure.

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** Mar's statue has a very similar looking sword. For all we know, it was an unstopable unstoppable precursor weapon which would have utterly destroyed our metal-headed enemy if he'd managed to hit him with it. And the Barron Baron never leaves the palace without the sword, as shown in the fortress right at the start of the game...
** Alternatively, it's a dress sword - you know, like officers in a lot of modern militaries still have - and part of the official regalia. The destruction of the Metal Head leader being a major event, of course he'd be in full dress uniform for it. So, in essence, it really is just for the dramatic gesure.gesture.



** Because enough of the other members just took a vote? Because Veger had let slip that he was responsible for the palace? Because he was mouthing off about the guy the whole town saw decimate a KG legion (five carriers single handedly must count for something) and save the guard? He did swing from a particularly nasty obstructive Beureocrat into an outright big bad. That may be involved.
** They said Veger was growing mad with power earlier on. My headcanon is that by this stage the council were only supporting Veger at all because they had no idea who else could solve their problems (Veger was making a big show of having a plan, whereas Jak was apparently still out in the desert dying.) If Ashelin had been broadcasting footage of Jak tearing through carriers like they were nothing all the while he was actually doing it, I expect Veger's support would be long gone by the time Jak had finished off the invaders.


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** Because enough of the other members just took a vote? Because Veger had let slip that he was responsible for the palace? Because he was mouthing off about the guy the whole town saw decimate a KG legion (five carriers single handedly must count for something) and save the guard? He did swing from a particularly nasty obstructive Beureocrat bureaucrat into an outright big bad. That may be involved.
** They said Veger was growing mad with power earlier on. My headcanon is that by this stage the council were only supporting Veger at all because they had no idea who else could solve their problems (Veger was making a big show of having a plan, whereas Jak was apparently still out in the desert dying.) dying). If Ashelin had been broadcasting footage of Jak tearing through carriers like they were nothing all the while he was actually doing it, I expect Veger's support would be long gone by the time Jak had finished off the invaders.

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*Why does Haven City have a closed port? In Daxter there was a Big Ass tanker we saw moored to the docks. In Jak 2, the port is closed, and has no Big Ass ships. I do know that they're submarine boats in Jak 2, but why's the port closed? Shouldn't it be open for supplies?
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***Also, if the programmers / devs added a execution scene, then that would change the rating of the game from T to M. Jak 2 may have darker themes, but it never goes overboard with adult topics (Poverty, Rape, Child Soldiers). Also, this would destroy the plot, and ruin the story.
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** Damas was the king, yes, but that doesn't mean he had to be royalty. For all Jak (and us) knows, Damas might've become king because he was the most badass warrior or just naturally good at leading people, both of which would be more valuable assets in the wasteland over simply being a diplomat. And while Jak probably knew that the kid [[spoiler: and by extension he himself]] was royalty, he didn't know if Praxis had killed his father or simply banished him. Remember his line from the opening of Jak 3: "Wait, nobody lives outside Havens walls." Plus, Sig said that Damas lost "something" in the city. He doesn't say it's any one person, just something. Damas does mention that he lost his son but he doesn't say it was in Haven. Until the reveal it was open to guessing. If Jak thought about it at all he probably assumed he was lost to marauders or died in a sandstorm or something.
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* Why wasn't Daxter included in the HD Collection? I realize it wasn't made by the original developers, but it was a worthy midquel and the game would have been small enough to fit on the disc just fine.
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* In Haven City, there are three basic models of citizen NPCs: thin young men, fat old men, and women. The only ones that are ever seen driving are the thin young men. What's the deal with that? When I first noticed it, I thought that perhaps it had something to do with the Krimzon Guard, as with the exception of Ashelin, all of the Krimzon Guards in the game are male, and it makes sense that the Guard would only recruit those who are young and able-bodied, so perhaps one had to join the Guard to be eligible for a driver's licence. However, the Krimzon Guard all of facial tattoos that the regular citizens don't, so that can't be the answer.

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* In Haven City, there are three basic models of citizen NPCs: [=NPCs=]: thin young men, fat old men, and women. The only ones that are ever seen driving are the thin young men. What's the deal with that? When I first noticed it, I thought that perhaps it had something to do with the Krimzon Guard, as with the exception of Ashelin, all of the Krimzon Guards in the game are male, and it makes sense that the Guard would only recruit those who are young and able-bodied, so perhaps one had to join the Guard to be eligible for a driver's licence. However, the Krimzon Guard all of facial tattoos that the regular citizens don't, so that can't be the answer.
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* Couldn't Jak figure out that Damas is [[spoiler: his father]] because of clues in the plot BEFORE the reveal? First of all, Damas is a king of a settlement called Spargus, there has to be a reason why he is established king (Because the exiled citizens of Haven would have realized his Diplomatic skills). Secondly, Jak already knows about his family's position as royalty, therefore, he would have made connections at the beginning of Jak 3. Sig aludes that his mission was to essentially find "somebody" in Haven that Damas wanted. That person was [[Spoiler: the kid]]. Damas also mentions that he lost a child & wife in Haven, he indicates his position of power in Haven before Praxis essentially wiped him out of the history books. Therefore, Jak most likely knew that Damas was his [[spoiler: son. Lol, JK it's father instead]].

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* Couldn't Jak figure out that Damas is [[spoiler: his father]] because of clues in the plot BEFORE the reveal? First of all, Damas is a king of a settlement called Spargus, there has to be a reason why he is established king (Because the exiled citizens of Haven would have realized his Diplomatic skills). Secondly, Jak already knows about his family's position as royalty, therefore, he would have made connections at the beginning of Jak 3. Sig aludes that his mission was to essentially find "somebody" in Haven that Damas wanted. That person was [[Spoiler: [[spoiler: the kid]]. Damas also mentions that he lost a child & wife in Haven, he indicates his position of power in Haven before Praxis essentially wiped him out of the history books. Therefore, Jak most likely knew that Damas was his [[spoiler: son. Lol, JK it's father instead]].
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* Couldn't Jak figure out that Damas is [[spoiler: his father]] because of clues in the plot BEFORE the reveal? First of all, Damas is a king of a settlement called Spargus, there has to be a reason why he is established king. Secondly, Jak already knows about his family's position as royalty, therefore, he would have made connections at the beginning of Jak 3. Sig aludes that his mission was to essentially find "somebody" in Haven that Damas wanted. That person was [[Spoiler: the kid]]. Damas also mentions that he lost a child & wife in Haven, he indicates his position of power in Haven before Praxis essentially wiped him out of the history books. Therefore, Jak most likely knew that Damas was his [[spoiler: son. Lol, JK it's father instead]].

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* Couldn't Jak figure out that Damas is [[spoiler: his father]] because of clues in the plot BEFORE the reveal? First of all, Damas is a king of a settlement called Spargus, there has to be a reason why he is established king.king (Because the exiled citizens of Haven would have realized his Diplomatic skills). Secondly, Jak already knows about his family's position as royalty, therefore, he would have made connections at the beginning of Jak 3. Sig aludes that his mission was to essentially find "somebody" in Haven that Damas wanted. That person was [[Spoiler: the kid]]. Damas also mentions that he lost a child & wife in Haven, he indicates his position of power in Haven before Praxis essentially wiped him out of the history books. Therefore, Jak most likely knew that Damas was his [[spoiler: son. Lol, JK it's father instead]].

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** Maybe it signifies Female Rights in Haven? Praxis is technically a dictator, a more conservative based one.
* The technology in Jak 2 seems to be based off of Contemporary 60-70's Computer equipment, examples being large Consoles in the prison, Terminals in the power station, as everything is based off of a Society in which the modern PC was never invented as we see it in popular culture. It looks as if Computers are just used to monitor the citizens/control security and weapons. What type of technology setting was Naughty Dog aiming for?
** Generic fantasy technology?

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** Maybe it signifies Female Rights in Haven? Praxis is technically a dictator, a more conservative based one.
* The technology in Jak 2 seems to be based off of Contemporary 60-70's Computer equipment, examples being large Consoles
wants all women in the prison, Terminals kitchen.
* Couldn't Jak figure out that Damas is [[spoiler: his father]] because of clues
in the plot BEFORE the reveal? First of all, Damas is a king of a settlement called Spargus, there has to be a reason why he is established king. Secondly, Jak already knows about his family's position as royalty, therefore, he would have made connections at the beginning of Jak 3. Sig aludes that his mission was to essentially find "somebody" in Haven that Damas wanted. That person was [[Spoiler: the kid]]. Damas also mentions that he lost a child & wife in Haven, he indicates his position of power station, as everything is based off in Haven before Praxis essentially wiped him out of a Society in which the modern PC history books. Therefore, Jak most likely knew that Damas was never invented as we see it in popular culture. It looks as if Computers are just used to monitor the citizens/control security and weapons. What type of technology setting was Naughty Dog aiming for?
** Generic fantasy technology?
his [[spoiler: son. Lol, JK it's father instead]].
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*** [[http://img1.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20101003131448/jakanddaxter/images/0/05/Baron_praxis_statue.jpg Concept art]] shows the Baron, not [[http://img2.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20130616225004/thefreedomleague/images/c/c1/Mar%27s_Statue.png Mar]]. I checked in the game and the statue is definitely the Baron.

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*** [[http://img1.[[http://vignette2.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20101003131448/jakanddaxter/images/0/05/Baron_praxis_statue.jpg net/jakanddaxter/images/3/31/Baron_Praxis_tomb_statue_concept_art.png/revision/latest?cb=20150123230732 Concept art]] shows the Baron, not [[http://img2.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20130616225004/thefreedomleague/images/c/c1/Mar%27s_Statue.png Mar]]. I checked in the game and the statue is definitely the Baron.
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** Can't justify it in-universe, but as for the genre shift, Naughty Dog did the same thing for the ''Franchise/CrashBandicoot'' series with Videogame/CrashTeamRacing''. Maybe they're starting up a tradition? {{Uncharted}} could be next...

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** Can't justify it in-universe, but as for the genre shift, Naughty Dog did the same thing for the ''Franchise/CrashBandicoot'' series with Videogame/CrashTeamRacing''. Maybe they're starting up a tradition? {{Uncharted}} VideoGame/{{Uncharted}} could be next...
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* Why was Ottsel Tess's design done to make her look more like a human with fur than an ottsel? The anatomy of those humanoid-looking legs just looks...weird and borderline deformed, compared to the other ottsels. FurryFandom aside, I don't anyone would still consider her a MsFanservice after she was turned into an animal - it seems like they could have ditched the long, shapely legs and overall humanoid shape and just made her look like an ottsel without trying to keep the fanservice-y flavor.

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* Why was Ottsel Tess's design done to make her look more like a human with fur than an ottsel? The anatomy of those humanoid-looking legs just looks...weird and borderline deformed, compared to the other ottsels. FurryFandom UsefulNotes/FurryFandom aside, I don't anyone would still consider her a MsFanservice after she was turned into an animal - it seems like they could have ditched the long, shapely legs and overall humanoid shape and just made her look like an ottsel without trying to keep the fanservice-y flavor.
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I think I\'ve got this mostly down.

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** It's possible the Baron knew that only the Heir of Mar could find the stone and he let them enter the tomb before springing his trap. Remember, the Baron told Jak that he led him right to the stone. He was probably hiding in wait until the final chamber opened.


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** The Baron wanted the Precursor stone more than he wanted to destroy the underground. He let them walk into the tomb, then captured him so that he could have a shot at the stone.


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** Maybe he had an agent leave a message outside the palace.
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** The Baron used those propaganda speakers to speak directly to Jak from time to time. It's possible he set all the ones in the underground to broadcast the ultimatum to Torn.
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** [[Magitek Generic fantasy technology that runs on eco.]]

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** [[Magitek Generic fantasy technology that runs on eco.]]technology?
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** [[Magitek Generic fantasy technology that runs on eco.]]
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*The technology in Jak 2 seems to be based off of Contemporary 60-70's Computer equipment, examples being large Consoles in the prison, Terminals in the power station, as everything is based off of a Society in which the modern PC was never invented as we see it in popular culture. It looks as if Computers are just used to monitor the citizens/control security and weapons. What type of technology setting was Naughty Dog aiming for?
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**Maybe it signifies Female Rights in Haven? Praxis is technically a dictator, a more conservative based one.
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**** Which reinforces the point: If they could capture him and stick him in prison, which they did, why didn't they just kill him? Why would the Shadow willingly go to jail? Unless the KG threatened to kill his friends unless he turned himself in, then they threw him in jail anyway. Perhaps the KG knew they could contain him but weren't certain if the could kill him.

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