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** Veger and Tess were transformed into ottsels by Precursor intervention, and kept their clothes. Daxter was transformed via dark eco, and did not. Presumably the method of transformation has something to do with it.
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* How did Pecker make it from the Monk Temple in the wasteland to the Eco Mines in Jak 3 when the racer they took through the catacombs was going so much faster? Given their relative speeds it should've taken Pecker hours at least to make it the same distance.

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* How did Pecker make it from the Monk Temple in the wasteland to the Eco Mines in Jak 3 when the racer they took through the catacombs was going so much faster? Given their relative speeds it should've taken Pecker hours at least to make it the same distance.distance.
* How come Veger retained his human clothes when he was transformed into an ottsel, but Daxter didn't?
* So the big reveal in the third game is that [[spoiler:the Precursors were ottsels, and at least three of them are still around]]. Does that mean they were inside every oracle statue throughout the series providing its voice, or at least leaving recordings in them?

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** Maybe colored Eco does exist, but it's mixed up heavily with dark / other colors that in order to get pure colors one would have to refine it. Also, they probably use eco in various appliances / technology. So, red would be used for weapons, dark for fuel / experimental/, blue for computers, yellow for precision, and green for medical kits / healing.

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** Maybe It isn't ignored after the first game. It's just implied that Dark Eco is more abundant than colored Eco does exist, but it's mixed up heavily with dark / other colors that in order to get pure colors one would have eco, meaning you need to refine it. it to derive different colors. Also, they probably use eco in the world has alot of machinery which are clearly powered by various appliances / technology. So, red would be used for weapons, dark for fuel / experimental/, blue for computers, yellow for precision, and green for medical kits / healing.types of Eco.



*** Funnily enough, the Jak II Design Bible actually mentions a Legendary Sword wielded by Mar which has a fragment of the Precursor Stone embedded within it. Meaning, that's probably the sword praxis was holding (I assume it's a ceremonial thing passed on from ruler to ruler).



** Maybe they do have specialized roles for those types of people but they just never show that in game? Or maybe the original sages are mystics who have a lineage of offspring who keep the craft alive through tradition (Kinda like a Sufism or anything religiously simiar). They would probably be behind the design and creation of machines which can utilize and harvest eco, which explains the technological advances seen by Jak 2.
*** Alternatively, it's possible that Eco Sages are hunted down due to their channeling powers (Or are considered enemies of the Praxis Regime due to their opposition to the Dark Warrior Program). A rather disturbing note...



** It's implied that by the time period of Jak 2, there are very few eco-sages left due to technological advancements turning the profession obsolete (much like how metallurgists and alchemists have become irrelevant as time went on). The only time eco sages are seen again are dark eco sages from TLF, which are implied to be the heads of research projects (i.e Tym, who was a sage for the Aeropans).
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** It's implied For what it's worth, Tym from The Lost Frontier was a Dark Eco sage who was the chief scientist for the Aeropans, meaning that by the time period of Jak 2, there are very few eco-sages left due to technological advancements turning the profession obsolete (much like how metallurgists and alchemists have become irrelevant is probably very rare as time went on). The only time eco sages are seen again are dark eco sages from TLF, which are implied to be the heads of research projects (i.e Tym, who was a sage for the Aeropans).whole.
* How did Kor Krew ever manage to get outside the Hip Hog?



** We already know that the land around Sandover Village has drastically changed between TPL and Jak 2. So it might not be unreasonable to assume that such landmarks as the mountains that kept you from just going around The Fire Canyon, The Lava Tube, and the Mountain pass have been destroyed by the Metal Heads (possibly in the war on the Metal Heads). Another case might be that the mountain region where you find the Mountain Temple are the same mountains as those in TPL. I have thought about this prior, and building off your question is what happened to the Forbidden Jungle Temple? It was ancient and made out of precursor metals and should have been able to survive through the ages. Unless it was buried or the Mountain Temple from 2 is The Forbidden Jungle Temple from TPL, and it's just a part you didn't have access to.

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** Actually, you can see the mountain range on the right (near Dead town) and even conclude that Misty Island is either the Weapons Factory or the Strip Mine. Makes sense due to the Dark Eco silo being a major source of fuel for the Mine. As for the Lava Basin, I feel like that could probably be the Lurker Village.
** We already know that the land around Sandover Village has drastically changed between TPL and Jak 2. So it might not be unreasonable to assume that such landmarks as the mountains that kept you from just going around The Fire Canyon, The Lava Tube, and the Mountain pass have been destroyed by the Metal Heads (possibly in the war on the Metal Heads).war). Another case might be that the mountain region where you find the Mountain Temple are the same mountains as those in TPL. I have thought about this prior, and building off your question is what happened to the Forbidden Jungle Temple? It was ancient and made out of precursor metals and should have been able to survive through the ages. Unless it was buried or the Mountain Temple from 2 is The Forbidden Jungle Temple from TPL, and it's just a part you didn't have access to.
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**I always took it as read that she did know who he was. Erol's indicated to be a minor celebrity and nothing indicates that Kiera is unaware of his job - Jak even tells her that "[Erol]'s not what you think" and she responds "like you're a good judge of character?", indicating that she thinks that he's a good man despite being the Baron's lackey. She might hate the Baron but that doesn't stop her from trusting/liking Erol.
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** It's implied that by the time period of Jak 2, there are very few eco-sages left (considering the last canonical ones were from the first game, which at this point takes place centuries prior.

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** It's implied that by the time period of Jak 2, there are very few eco-sages left (considering due to technological advancements turning the last canonical ones were profession obsolete (much like how metallurgists and alchemists have become irrelevant as time went on). The only time eco sages are seen again are dark eco sages from the first game, TLF, which at this point takes place centuries prior.are implied to be the heads of research projects (i.e Tym, who was a sage for the Aeropans).

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** It's implied that by the time period of Jak 2, there are very few eco-sages left (considering the last canonical ones were from the first game, which at this point takes place centuries prior.



* Compared to Ratchet and Clank, Jak and daxter has very little related to backstory and lore. Very little is explained about the world around them, backstories about Haven City and the KG, and while Ratchet and Clank gets manga, comics, and side games that explain the histories of certain planets, very little is given to the Jak series which is disappointing, because there's alot that can be elaborated on in Jak 2 and 3. Will Naughty Dog ever go back and create an Expanded Universe? I'd love to see more about the KG, life in Haven City, and stories of the wasteland. In fact, you can make entire stories about these sort of things.

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** Underground agents could have secured the place, and the Baron's power is limited to a city. He doesn't have a huge Military empire where he could nuke a town if he wanted to.

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** The Underground agents could have secured the place, and the Baron's power is limited to a city. He doesn't have a huge Military empire where he could nuke a town if he wanted to. city.



*** Also, if the programmers / devs added a execution scene, then that would change the rating of the game from T to M. Jak 2 may have darker themes, but it never goes overboard with adult topics (Poverty, Rape, Child Soldiers). Also, this would destroy the plot, and ruin the story.
*** For all we know, the shadow could have Beams of death or tazers under that vest of his.
*** Which reinforces the point: If they could capture him and stick him in prison, which they did, why didn't they just kill him? Why would the Shadow willingly go to jail? Unless the KG threatened to kill his friends unless he turned himself in, then they threw him in jail anyway. Perhaps the KG knew they could contain him but weren't certain if the could kill him.



** And why didn't the underground move their HQ after this?
*** They probably did. That was the last mission the Underground gave Jak, Torn, Samos, and the other agents probably laid low at their safe houses.
*** Answer for both of you: There's so much going on in the plot at that point, that the designers either thought no one would care enough to analyze or that they didn't want to over complicate things by giving them a new hideout out of nowhere.
** Well, the point of Headscratchers is to question things and try to justify the unexplained. You're not helping much.

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** And why didn't It's possible that the underground move their HQ after this?
*** They probably did. That was
Baron knows that the last mission hideout is within the slums, but is completely unaware of it's full location. Additionally, the Underground gave Jak, Torn, Samos, and the other agents probably laid low at their safe houses.
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does alot of you: There's so much going on in spread the plot at baron thin on resources, meaning that point, that it makes finding the designers either thought no one would care enough to analyze or that they didn't want to over complicate things by giving them a new hideout out of nowhere.
** Well, the point of Headscratchers is to question things and try to justify the unexplained. You're not helping much.
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** What if it was because the Metal Heads and Humans were in a Cold War?
*** How would a cold war turn the land for miles around into flat grey wastes?
*** What about Nuclear Weapons?There are Warheads in the Ammo Dump Jak Blew Up in the Beginning of the Game. And the Piercer Bomb does looks like a Nuclear Weapon (It looks like a nuke).
*** The metal heads don't seem to have nukes or any tech for that matter. How do we know that the warheads are nukes and not just large bombs? The computer said warhead detonation imminent and [[ArtisticLicenseNuclearPhysics besides the forgivable fact that nukes don't in fact go off just by shooting at them]], the city was still there after it exploded so it was probably just a large bomb. Plus the Piercer Bomb looks more like something that's designed to break the Precursor Stone. You know, the whole purpose of the device. I can't find any pictures of nuclear weaponry that looks like the piercer bomb. More likely they were both eco devices of some sort.

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** What if it was because the Metal Heads and Humans were in a Cold War?
*** How would a cold war turn the land for miles around into flat grey wastes?
*** What about Nuclear Weapons?There are Warheads in the Ammo Dump Jak Blew Up in the Beginning of the Game. And the Piercer Bomb does looks like a Nuclear Weapon (It looks like a nuke).
*** The metal heads don't seem to have nukes or any tech for that matter. How do we know that the warheads are nukes and not just large bombs? The computer said warhead detonation imminent and [[ArtisticLicenseNuclearPhysics besides the forgivable fact that nukes don't in fact go off just by shooting at them]], the city was still there after it exploded so it was probably just a large bomb. Plus the Piercer Bomb looks more like something that's designed to break the Precursor Stone. You know, the whole purpose of the device. I can't find any pictures of nuclear weaponry that looks like the piercer bomb. More likely they were both eco devices of some sort.



** Maybe Praxis wants all women in the kitchen.

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** Maybe Praxis wants all women in the kitchen.Is Haven Society sexist?
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** We already know that the land around Sandover Village has drastically changed between TPL and Jak 2. So it might not be unreasonable to assume that such landmarks as the mountains that kept you from just going around The Fire Canyon, The Lava Tube, and the Mountain pass have been destroyed by the Metal Heads (possibly in the war on the Metal Heads). Another case might be that the mountain region where you find the Mountain Temple are the same mountains as those in TPL. I have thought about this prior, and building off your question is what happened to the Forbidden Jungle Temple? It was ancient and made out of precursor metals and should have been able to survive through the ages. Unless it was buried or the Mountain Temple from 2 is The Forbidden Jungle Temple from TPL, and it's just a part you didn't have access to.

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** We already know that the land around Sandover Village has drastically changed between TPL and Jak 2. So it might not be unreasonable to assume that such landmarks as the mountains that kept you from just going around The Fire Canyon, The Lava Tube, and the Mountain pass have been destroyed by the Metal Heads (possibly in the war on the Metal Heads). Another case might be that the mountain region where you find the Mountain Temple are the same mountains as those in TPL. I have thought about this prior, and building off your question is what happened to the Forbidden Jungle Temple? It was ancient and made out of precursor metals and should have been able to survive through the ages. Unless it was buried or the Mountain Temple from 2 is The Forbidden Jungle Temple from TPL, and it's just a part you didn't have access to.to.
* How did Pecker make it from the Monk Temple in the wasteland to the Eco Mines in Jak 3 when the racer they took through the catacombs was going so much faster? Given their relative speeds it should've taken Pecker hours at least to make it the same distance.
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** After taking an absurd amount of damage from Jak he didn't enter but rather slammed into the side of the rift. Considering the explosion started in his mechanical section on his back something was probably overloading and that blunt impact with all that weight on it pushed him over the edge.
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*** They probably did. That was the last mission the Underground gave Jak, Torn, Samos, and the other agents probably laid low at their safe houses.
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** Keira was 16 in Jak 2 and may have lied about her age to get the job as Krew's mechanic and Erol probably simply realise or know she was younger then she looked. Not buying that Erol would sink as low as trying to make moves on underaged girls.

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** Keira was 16 in Jak 2 and may have lied about her age to get the job as Krew's mechanic and Erol probably simply didn't realise or know she was younger then she looked. Not buying that Erol would sink as low as trying to make moves on underaged girls.
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** Keira was 16 in Jak 2 and may have lied about her age to get the job as Krew's mechanic and Erol probably didn't know she was younger then she looked. Not buying that Erol would sink as low as trying to make moves on underaged girls.

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** Keira was 16 in Jak 2 and may have lied about her age to get the job as Krew's mechanic and Erol probably didn't simply realise or know she was younger then she looked. Not buying that Erol would sink as low as trying to make moves on underaged girls.
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** Keira may have lied about her age to get the job as Krew's mechanic and Erol probably didn't know she was younger then she looked. Not buying that Erol would sink as low as trying to make moves on underaged girls.

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** ** Keira was 16 in Jak 2 and may have lied about her age to get the job as Krew's mechanic and Erol probably didn't know she was younger then she looked. Not buying that Erol would sink as low as trying to make moves on underaged girls.
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** Keira may have lied about her age to get the job and Erol probably didn't know.

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** Keira may have lied about her age to get the job as Krew's mechanic and Erol probably didn't know.know she was younger then she looked. Not buying that Erol would sink as low as trying to make moves on underaged girls.
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** Keira may have lied about her age to get the job and Erol probably didn't know.
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* Keira was able to know that Ashelin is Praxis' daughter because ''everyone'' knows who Ashelin is, yet she's somehow too stupid to notice or know that Erol is the Krimzon Guard commander and Praxis' right hand man? Shouldn't ''everyone'' also know who Erol really is too? EROL HAS KG WRITTEN ALL OVER HIM! The mask, Praxis' crest on his chest, the KG logo on one shoulder and the word ''commander'' in Precursor letters on his other. Keira hated the Baron and KG so she knows what they wear and what they look like. So how the f**ck did she miss Erol's KG armour?

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* Keira was able to know that Ashelin is Praxis' daughter because ''everyone'' knows who Ashelin is, yet she's somehow too stupid to notice or know that Erol is the Krimzon Guard commander and Praxis' right hand man? Shouldn't ''everyone'' also know who Erol really is too? EROL HAS KG WRITTEN ALL OVER HIM! The mask, Praxis' crest on his chest, the KG logo on one shoulder and the word ''commander'' in Precursor letters on his other. Keira hated the Baron and KG so she knows what they wear and what they look like. So how the f**ck did she miss not notice Erol's KG armour?
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* Keira was able to know that Ashelin is Praxis' daughter because ''everyone'' knows who Ashelin is, yet she's somehow too stupid to notice or know that Erol is the Krimzon Guard commander and Praxis' right hand man? Shouldn't ''everyone'' also know who Erol really is too? EROL HAS KG WRITTEN ALL OVER HIM! The mask, Praxis' crest on his chest, the KG logo on one shoulder and the word ''commander'' in Precursor letters on his other. Keira hated the Baron and KG so she knows what they wear and what they look like. So how the f**ck did she miss Erol's KG armour?
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* So why was that it when Kor touched the rift gate in the Metal Head nest after Jak defeated him it killed him yet he had no trouble with the rift gate right at the start of the game in Sandover Village?

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* So why was it that it when Kor touched the rift gate in the Metal Head nest after Jak defeated him it killed him yet he had no trouble with the rift gate right at the start of the game in Sandover Village?
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* So why was that it when Kor touched the rift gate in the Metal Head nest after Jak defeated him it killed him yet he had no trouble with the rift gate right at the start of the game in Sandover Village?
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* Just how old is Keira anyway? Certainly rather younger than Jak, barring adoption...which of course begs the question of how old Jak is. The Jakverse seems to rely upon the characters being essentially human except for the pointy ears ([[spoiler: "Stay away from any wumpbee nests on your tenth birthday, OK?"]])...[[spoiler: Answers of "Jak is minus who-knows-how-long because of his StableTimeLoop will not be accepted]].

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* Just how old is Keira anyway? Certainly rather younger than Jak, barring adoption...which of course begs the question of how old Jak is. The Jakverse seems to rely upon the characters being essentially human except for the pointy ears ([[spoiler: "Stay away from any wumpbee nests on your tenth ninth birthday, OK?"]])...[[spoiler: Answers of "Jak is minus who-knows-how-long because of his StableTimeLoop will not be accepted]].
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** Can't justify it in-universe, but as for the genre shift, Naughty Dog did the same thing for the ''Franchise/CrashBandicoot'' series with Videogame/CrashTeamRacing''. Maybe they're starting up a tradition? VideoGame/{{Uncharted}} could be next...

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** Can't justify it in-universe, but as for the genre shift, Naughty Dog did the same thing for the ''Franchise/CrashBandicoot'' ''VideoGame/CrashBandicoot'' series with Videogame/CrashTeamRacing''. Maybe they're starting up a tradition? VideoGame/{{Uncharted}} could be next...
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* If Haven City (specifically Dead Town) was built over what used to be Sandover Village, why doesn't the surrounding geography look the same? The jagged mountain range around Haven City are nowhere in the first game. For that matter, the Mountain Temple should've been in the first game since it was a Precursor building and therefore built long ago.

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* If Haven City (specifically Dead Town) was built over what used to be Sandover Village, why doesn't the surrounding geography look the same? The jagged mountain range around Haven City are nowhere in the first game. For that matter, the Mountain Temple should've been in the first game since it was a Precursor building and therefore built long ago.ago.
**We already know that the land around Sandover Village has drastically changed between TPL and Jak 2. So it might not be unreasonable to assume that such landmarks as the mountains that kept you from just going around The Fire Canyon, The Lava Tube, and the Mountain pass have been destroyed by the Metal Heads (possibly in the war on the Metal Heads). Another case might be that the mountain region where you find the Mountain Temple are the same mountains as those in TPL. I have thought about this prior, and building off your question is what happened to the Forbidden Jungle Temple? It was ancient and made out of precursor metals and should have been able to survive through the ages. Unless it was buried or the Mountain Temple from 2 is The Forbidden Jungle Temple from TPL, and it's just a part you didn't have access to.
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**One possible way this could have gone down was that Barron Praxis took power 20 or so years ago as you stated and while Damas was in Spargus, he had Jak; but before long, he was taken by Count Veger. It was never stated when Jak was taken by Veger, just that he was taken. Jak must have been a baby at the time because he doesn't remember Damas at all.
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*** It's fairly strongly implied that Jak ''was'' supposed to be the original Mar, at least at some point in the narrative. The Ottsel surfer says "you have way more challenges in the future," and the Dummy responds "or was it the past?" And Ashelin reacts to Jak being ''the'' Mar after Jak reveals his name to the Leader. Along with all the vague implications about it in Jak II I think it's safe to say Jak was set up to be the founder of Haven city at some point.
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* Compared to Ratchet and Clank, Jak and daxter has very little related to backstory and lore. Very little is explained about the world around them, backstories about Haven City and the KG, and while Ratchet and Clank gets manga, comics, and side games that explain the histories of certain planets, very little is given to the Jak series which is disappointing, because there's alot that can be elaborated on in Jak 2 and 3. Will Naughty Dog ever go back and create an Expanded Universe? I'd love to see more about the KG, life in Haven City, and stories of the wasteland. In fact, you can make entire stories about these sort of things.

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* Compared to Ratchet and Clank, Jak and daxter has very little related to backstory and lore. Very little is explained about the world around them, backstories about Haven City and the KG, and while Ratchet and Clank gets manga, comics, and side games that explain the histories of certain planets, very little is given to the Jak series which is disappointing, because there's alot that can be elaborated on in Jak 2 and 3. Will Naughty Dog ever go back and create an Expanded Universe? I'd love to see more about the KG, life in Haven City, and stories of the wasteland. In fact, you can make entire stories about these sort of things.things.
* If Haven City (specifically Dead Town) was built over what used to be Sandover Village, why doesn't the surrounding geography look the same? The jagged mountain range around Haven City are nowhere in the first game. For that matter, the Mountain Temple should've been in the first game since it was a Precursor building and therefore built long ago.
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* Compared to Ratchet and Clank, Jak and daxter has very little related to backstory and lore. Very little is explained about the world around them, backstories about Haven City and the KG, and while Ratchet and Clank gets manga, comics, and side games that explain the histories of certain planets, very little is given to the Jak series which is disappointing, because there's alot that can be elaborated on in Jak 2 and 3. Will Naughty Dog ever go back and create an Expanded Universe?

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* Compared to Ratchet and Clank, Jak and daxter has very little related to backstory and lore. Very little is explained about the world around them, backstories about Haven City and the KG, and while Ratchet and Clank gets manga, comics, and side games that explain the histories of certain planets, very little is given to the Jak series which is disappointing, because there's alot that can be elaborated on in Jak 2 and 3. Will Naughty Dog ever go back and create an Expanded Universe?Universe? I'd love to see more about the KG, life in Haven City, and stories of the wasteland. In fact, you can make entire stories about these sort of things.
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* How did Kor ever manage to get outside the Hip Hog?

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* How did Kor ever manage to get outside the Hip Hog?Hog?
**I'd wager it's teleportation or he has a rooftop entrance that he uses.
* Compared to Ratchet and Clank, Jak and daxter has very little related to backstory and lore. Very little is explained about the world around them, backstories about Haven City and the KG, and while Ratchet and Clank gets manga, comics, and side games that explain the histories of certain planets, very little is given to the Jak series which is disappointing, because there's alot that can be elaborated on in Jak 2 and 3. Will Naughty Dog ever go back and create an Expanded Universe?

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