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** Regarding the break-in in this book, the wizards put guards at the entrance to the bank with probity probes, which could detect certain concealment spells. Harry confunded them to thinking they already used the wands on the group.
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** The distinguished wizard and witch in the statue were sitting, as if on thrones, upon the naked bodies of people with ugly and distorted faces. The ugly people were obviously the muggles which this regime despised and held in contempt.
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** It was stated in the books that nothing could make you live forever except for the Philosopher's Stone' Elixir of Life. Otherwise, why wouldn't Voldy have made himself into a horcrux by having someone else split their soul as well as making himself horcruxes as well. As for what happens to a living horcrux, it is most likely connected to life rather than the body itself.
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** The timeline near the end is dubious. Harry and co. wake up at 6 am and within maybe a half an hour of getting dressed, they are off to Gringotts. At most, maybe they get there at 7 am. They spend maybe an hour Gringotts before escaping and spending an unknown amount of time on the back of the dragon. After landing, they take a few minutes to clean themselves up and apparate to Hogsmeade, where it is after sunset, which at this time of year is nearly 9 pm. This gives everyone at Hogwarts about 12-13 hours for the news to reach them.
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*** Third, James and Lily had been only active participants of the war for two years.

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*** Third, James and Lily had been only active participants of the war for two years. They had been in hiding for over a year after Voldy decided Harry was the prophetic child. Also, the prophecy stated that they had "defied" Voldy three times, not fought or defeated him three times. One of the times they defied him may have been when they declined joining his cause when he asked them to do so.
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** First, as stated above, James tossed his wand down right after giving Harry to Lily and stretching. It was maybe a few feet away from him. Wizards doubtfully bring their wands into the showers with them, using the loo--this is a British novel after all, or going to sleep. Voldy saw this and it was then that he entered. James' only thought was to give Lily time to get Harry to relative safety and his wand by that time was too far away since he had to go into the hall to see Voldy there.
*** Second, in terms of portkeys, we don't know how long they last. The only ones we see that were not time sensitive were only touched within a few hours or so of being activated. Also, portkeys were very regulated by the Ministry. Would they have allowed this one family to own one for an indefinite period?
*** Third, James and Lily had been only active participants of the war for two years.
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** She mentioned in the book that it was so dangerous a spell that she would never had dared use it while Ron, in a bit of dark humor after Crabbe's death, said "Shame he wasn't concentrating when they (the Carrows) mentioned how to stop it really." Basically, it's easier to cast than to control.
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** First, Harry didn't immediately dismiss Remus' help. He thought about it and how Remus could accompany them without bringing him in on the purpose of their mission--to hunt for and destroy Voldy's horcruxes. It was Remus' dismissive attitude toward leaving his pregnant wife alone that rubbed Harry the wrong way. Second, nothing in the scene described Harry as screaming. Maybe eventually raising his voice to match Remus, but other than that, Harry exuded a calm rage. In fact, it was Remus who ended the exchance with a spell that threw Harry back against the wall. Remus was the one who was unhinged.
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* Dumbledore was always a secretive man who only told certain people certain things. As stated, he chose to give Harry the horcrux hunt, maybe because he knew Harry was one and to give him a subtle heads up that he would have to sacrifice himself as well. Harry actually later realized he was becoming as secretive as Dumbledore which is why he told Neville that should Hermione or Ron not be able to do so, he shuld kill Nagini.
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** He had to know that the wand's allegiance could be transferred without the death of its previous owner. He read Gregorovich's mind and saw that an unknown young wizard stunned him after stealing the Elder Wand. He was face to face with a living previous owner of the Elder Wand.
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** Moody calls it his "mother's charm" not his mother's protection. This charm was the one mentioned and evoked above by Dumbledore.
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** Nothing is said of what the conversation between Snape and Voldy was regarding sparing Lily or whether or not Voldy agreed to spare her. However, in the telling of what went down at the Potter house in this book, Voldy thought nothing of Snape or any promise to spare her. In fact, he thought that he could shove her out of the way, "but it seemed more prudent to finish them all" as Voldy remembered it.
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** This is a movie thing as they believe ViewersAreMorons and can't remember which character is portraying which other character.
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** Why make the presumption that Voldy uses Legilimency so often? He asks his follwers a question and they answer it. If Voldy thinks they are lying, then he punishes them. Voldy didn't use Legilimency when Snape told him when Harry was to be moved. He seemed to only use Legilimency when someone refuses to tell him anything, he doesn't trust them, or if he just doesn't care about the person in question.
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** Carrying around basilisk fangs is not exactly safe. A simple scrape on it can kill you.
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** Don't forget that Neville, Ginny, and Luna were leading LaResistance at Hogwarts. They, especially Neville, were openly resisting the evil teachings of the Carrows. And as stated the insane cruelty of the Carrows' punishments and lessons, this brought more students to their fellow students' side against the Carrows.
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*** Harry was still tethered to life because Voldy had Harry's blood in him and thus, Lily's protection. Voldy lost his next to last chance to stay alive upon trying to kill Harry, thus destroying his own horcrux soul within Harry.


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**** It depends on the seriousness of the crime and age of perpetrator whether a juvenile would be tried as an adult or a juvenile. Does the wizarding world have juvenile jails?
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** Harry was killed. His soul was sent into the afterlife. The only reason he had a chance to return was because Voldemort still had his blood, which tied him to life. The horcrux soul within Harry was destroyed because Harry was destroyed beyond all magical repair, the same way any horcrux can be destroyed. While the prophecy said "Neither can live while the other survives", it could also be interpreted neither can die while the other survives. You can't live if you can't die.
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** The latter, of course. Or rather, as in most other cases, I am honestly curious if there was some legitimate in-universe reason for them to act this way, that I don't see, other than every last character simply being a brain-dead idiot for the sake of the plot. Because, unlike some... [[{{Literature/Twilight}} other]] works of fiction, there's surprisingly little aknowledgement of the fact, which makes me wonder.

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** The latter, of course. Or rather, as in most other cases, I am honestly curious if there was some legitimate in-universe reason for them to act this way, that I don't see, other than every last character simply being a brain-dead idiot for the sake of the plot. Because, unlike some... [[{{Literature/Twilight}} [[Literature/TheTwilightSaga other]] works of fiction, there's surprisingly little aknowledgement of the fact, which makes me wonder.
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* Somewhat ironically there is a what the hell hero moment in the book, but it's Harry staunchly refusing to do anything beyond disarming, while Lupin criticizes him for not taking the kiddies gloves off. And then in the second half of the book hes mind raping and torturing people with no outward character development or reflection. He doesn't even go away from the Lupin conversation thinking Lupinhas a point. People aren't wrong to find it odd as the narrative is crossing lines even in the same book without acknowledgement. when this troper first read it he thought it was an intentional escalation to Avada Kedavra, but they never even consider using that on a horcrux. Torture and subverting free will are okay though.

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* Somewhat ironically there is a what the hell hero moment in the book, but it's Harry staunchly refusing to do anything beyond disarming, while Lupin criticizes him for not taking the kiddies gloves off. And then in the second half of the book hes mind raping and torturing people with no outward character development or reflection. He doesn't even go away from the Lupin conversation thinking Lupinhas Lupin has a point. People aren't wrong to find it odd as the narrative is crossing lines even in the same book without acknowledgement. when this troper first read it he thought it was an intentional escalation to Avada Kedavra, but they never even consider using that on a horcrux. Torture and subverting free will are okay though.


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** Because the spell was designed ''specifically'' to kill, and requires the caster to ''want'' the target to die. All other spells that are common knowledge (so ignoring Snape's self-invented spells) that have the capacity to maim or kill were invented for other reasons and just happen to also be capable of injuring others.
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* Why exactly is Avada Kedavra an Unforgivable, but not any other spell which would kill? Cruciatus and Imperio are more reasonable - being ColdBloodedTorture and MindControl - but how is Avada Kedavra more unacceptable than a spell which makes your enemy's head explode?
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** The ideal solution would have been to have one of the Potters be the Secret Keeper for the Longbottoms and one of the Longbottoms be the Secret Keeper for the Potters. Or they could have just used Dumbledore... canonically, [[IdiotPlot he volunteered for the job and James & Lily turned him down]].

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** The ideal solution would have been to have one of the Potters be the Secret Keeper for the Longbottoms and one of the Longbottoms be the Secret Keeper for the Potters. Or they could have just used Dumbledore... canonically, [[IdiotPlot he volunteered for the job and James & Lily turned him down]].down.
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** Plus, imagine being an adult having to read adjust to the Muggle world after essentially becoming more Wizard than Muggle. Especially since you would have, at best, a fourth grade Muggle education.

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** Plus, imagine being an adult having to read adjust to the Muggle world after essentially becoming more Wizard than Muggle. Especially since you would have, at best, a fourth grade Year Six Muggle education.
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* What about the fact that [=McGonagall=] used the Imperius right after Harry did? And for no reason, since she could have just Summoned the wand and tied them up.
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*** Hermione states she hates using Bellatrix's wand after they've escaped Malfoy Manor because, to paraphrase, "it's the wand that tortured Neville's parents and killed Sirius". While it is possible that Hermione simply just made the assumption that it's the same wand Bellatrix used before she was sent to Azkaban rather than a brand new wand, considering Hermione's knowledge of magical law, she probably has read somewhere that wands of Azkaban inmates are stored away rather than destroyed. Whether or not that is the case remains to be seen.
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** When does it say Bellatrix uses her original wand? And in terms of materials, olivander does have access to wand making materials as he made one for Wormtail.
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** It would have been the best for Ariana, perhaps, but not the best for Alberforth. Parents have a (moral at least) responsibility to give their charges the best possible chances in life (though the end results depends on the child of course). To me, Alberforth not being given the chance of a proper and complete education just because Albus could not calm his sister down would be a massive failure on albus' part, both as a parent and as a brother. It is even worse if you remember that Alberforth was just a kid at this point, and thus not necessarily mature enough to undertand the complete consequences of dropping out. Albus did what was expected of him, the correct and moral choice, and it is mentionned that he did it well enough until Grindelwald came. He was just too selfish and immature to uphold his responsibilities after that, but then again, Albus was barely an adult at this point, it is nothing surprising that he failed, though the consequences were disastrous. He was smart and brillant sure, but still young and unwise at this point.

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** It would have been the best for Ariana, perhaps, but not the best for Alberforth.Aberforth. Parents have a (moral at least) responsibility to give their charges the best possible chances in life (though the end results depends on the child of course). To me, Alberforth Aberforth not being given the chance of a proper and complete education just because Albus could not calm his sister down would be a massive failure on albus' part, both as a parent and as a brother. It is even worse if you remember that Alberforth Aberforth was just a kid at this point, and thus not necessarily mature enough to undertand the complete consequences of dropping out. Albus did what was expected of him, the correct and moral choice, and it is mentionned that he did it well enough until Grindelwald came. He was just too selfish and immature to uphold his responsibilities after that, but then again, Albus was barely an adult at this point, it is nothing surprising that he failed, though the consequences were disastrous. He was smart and brillant sure, but still young and unwise at this point.



* Forgive me for seeming callous, but I have little sympathy for Harry in the chapter "The Life and Lies of Albus Dumbledore" and his BrokenPedestal about Dumbledore. Why should he believe anything Rita Skeeter and Auntie Muriel say or take it with a grain of salt? On the one hand Auntie Muriel is established to speak rudely about everyone she meets, while on the other, Rita has written libel about Harry in the past and practically ruined his life for two years by saying he was some AttentionWhore, setting the Order of the Phoenix back a long way by being unable to do anything against Voldemort because Rita laid the groundwork for the smear campaign led by Fudge. But no, Harry believes everything Rita says and wastes time angsting about Dumbledore being friendly with Grindelwald when it's irrelevant to finding the Horcruxes.

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* Forgive me for seeming callous, but I have little sympathy for Harry in the chapter "The Life and Lies of Albus Dumbledore" and his BrokenPedestal about Dumbledore. Why should he believe anything Rita Skeeter and Auntie Muriel say or take it with a grain of salt? On the one hand Auntie Muriel is established to speak rudely about everyone she meets, while on the other, Rita has written libel about Harry in the past and practically ruined his life for two years by saying he was some AttentionWhore, setting the Order of the Phoenix back a long way by being unable to do anything against Voldemort because Rita laid the groundwork for the smear campaign led by Fudge. Harry shouldn't trust anything Rita writes because of how much she personally hurt him. But no, Harry believes everything Rita says and wastes time angsting about Dumbledore being friendly with Grindelwald when it's irrelevant to finding the Horcruxes.
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* Forgive me for seeming callous, but I have little sympathy for Harry in the chapter "The Life and Lies of Albus Dumbledore" and his BrokenPedestal about Dumbledore. Why should he believe anything Rita Skeeter and Auntie Muriel say or take it with a grain of salt? On the one hand Auntie Muriel is established to speak rudely about everyone she meets, while on the other, Rita has written libel about Harry in the past and practically ruined his life for two years by saying he was some AttentionWhore, setting the Order of the Phoenix back a long way by being unable to do anything against Voldemort because Rita laid the groundwork for the smear campaign led by Fudge.

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* Forgive me for seeming callous, but I have little sympathy for Harry in the chapter "The Life and Lies of Albus Dumbledore" and his BrokenPedestal about Dumbledore. Why should he believe anything Rita Skeeter and Auntie Muriel say or take it with a grain of salt? On the one hand Auntie Muriel is established to speak rudely about everyone she meets, while on the other, Rita has written libel about Harry in the past and practically ruined his life for two years by saying he was some AttentionWhore, setting the Order of the Phoenix back a long way by being unable to do anything against Voldemort because Rita laid the groundwork for the smear campaign led by Fudge. But no, Harry believes everything Rita says and wastes time angsting about Dumbledore being friendly with Grindelwald when it's irrelevant to finding the Horcruxes.
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* Forgive me for seeming callous, but I have little sympathy for Harry in the chapter "The Life and Lies of Albus Dumbledore" and his BrokenPedestal about Dumbledore. Why should he believe anything Rita Skeeter and Auntie Muriel say or take it with a grain of salt? On the one hand Auntie Muriel is established to speak rudely about everyone she meets, while on the other, Rita has written libel about Harry in the past and practically ruined his life for two years by saying he was some AttentionWhore, setting the Order of the Phoenix back a long way by being unable to do anything against Voldemort because Rita laid the groundwork for the smear campaign led by Fudge.
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*** She DID mention it, right at the start "several substances can't destroy Horcrux, but all of them are too dangerous to carry around". Then she used Basilisk venom as the example because it's the thing they're the most familiar with, and maybe least dangerous (there is one way to counter it - Phoenix tears).

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*** She DID mention it, right at the start "several substances can't can destroy Horcrux, but all of them are too dangerous to carry around". Then she used Basilisk venom as the example because it's the thing they're the most familiar with, and maybe least dangerous (there is one way to counter it - Phoenix tears).

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