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* So, the finale reveals that the Union has made multiple copies of Chase's original mind. Alright, sounds like something they would do based on what we've seen and heard so far, but this brings up a question. Specifically ''why did they send a spy to try and steal a holon at the beginning of the season''? If they can already create multiple copies of the one individual they have, doesn't that mean that they've already figured out how to build their own cyberbrains and they clearly know how to create a holon (and frankly, they way it was discussed in the show made it sound like the brains are the hard to produce bit, with the holons basically being based on existing mech technology with some new sensors and such). If they tried to steal the uplink tech or the doctor, it would make sense, but sinclair states that he's here for a holon specifically. Why?

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* So, the finale reveals that the Union has made multiple copies of Chase's original mind. Alright, sounds like something they would do based on what we've seen and heard so far, but this brings up a question. Specifically ''why did they send a spy to try and steal a holon at the beginning of the season''? If they can already create multiple copies of the one individual they have, doesn't that mean that they've already figured out how to build their own cyberbrains and they clearly know how to create a holon (and frankly, they way it was discussed in the show made it sound like the brains are the hard to produce bit, with the holons basically being based on existing mech technology with some new sensors and such). If they tried to steal the uplink tech or the doctor, it would make sense, but sinclair Sinclair states that he's here for a holon specifically. Why?
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* Actually, I just don't know the name of the trope. Long story short: they picked a good name for V, but then fumbled it. In Slavic languages some names have both male and female forms, with the difference being only inflection - Valentin/Valentina is one of them, while Val isn't even particularly popular nickname in Ukraine (both male and female forms are shortened to Valya instead). Also, Romanyszyn is a male surname form, same rule, despite there existing ways to make a genderless surname in Ukrainian to preserve ambiguity.

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* Actually, I just don't know the name of the trope. Long story short: they picked a good name for V, but then fumbled it. In Slavic languages some names have both male and female forms, with the difference being only inflection - Valentin/Valentina is one of them, while Val isn't even particularly popular nickname in Ukraine (both male and female forms are shortened to Valya instead). Also, Romanyszyn is a male surname form, same rule, despite there existing ways to make a genderless surname in Ukrainian to preserve ambiguity.ambiguity.
** My interpretation of the choice of "Val" for the character's masculine name is that Val/entina is biologically female, e.g. born with the name Valentina and ''chose'' the name Val. While some transgender folks just choose the opposite-gendered version of their birth name, many don't, and just pick something that sounds cool. And in the modern age, plenty of people trans and otherwise like to give themselves names that are completely off the wall. So I like to think that in-universe, Val/entina picked the name "Val" with no regard for it being downright odd in their own native language. Having a masculine surname throws a wrench in this idea... gendered surnames are an entirely foreign concept to English-speakers, so that one can just be chalked up to, the creators coulda done a bit more research.
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** After Cammie's freakout, when the gang is discussing the fact that gen:lock technology can be used to modify their personalities, Yaz refers to the process as "shameful". The fact that it is only brought up once and then reduced to an offhand remark at the end, it seems like it was supposed to be a character arc for Yaz that got cut.

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** After Cammie's freakout, when the gang is discussing the fact that gen:lock technology can be used to modify their personalities, Yaz refers to the process as "shameful". The fact that it is only brought up once and then reduced to an offhand remark at the end, it seems like it was supposed to be a character arc for Yaz that got cut.cut.
* Actually, I just don't know the name of the trope. Long story short: they picked a good name for V, but then fumbled it. In Slavic languages some names have both male and female forms, with the difference being only inflection - Valentin/Valentina is one of them, while Val isn't even particularly popular nickname in Ukraine (both male and female forms are shortened to Valya instead). Also, Romanyszyn is a male surname form, same rule, despite there existing ways to make a genderless surname in Ukrainian to preserve ambiguity.
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** Maybe a joke about her new EyeBeams? She thought them impractical while Cammie insisted on adding them in.

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** Maybe a joke about her new EyeBeams? She thought them impractical while Cammie insisted on adding them in.in.
** After Cammie's freakout, when the gang is discussing the fact that gen:lock technology can be used to modify their personalities, Yaz refers to the process as "shameful". The fact that it is only brought up once and then reduced to an offhand remark at the end, it seems like it was supposed to be a character arc for Yaz that got cut.
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* In the Season 1 finale, before Nemesis shows up for their final showdown, Cammie advises everyone to activate any mods they may need for the battle. There's a brief silence as everyone turns to face Yaz, who grumbles, "Ah, okay, okay..." What on earth is this interaction referring to?

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* In the Season 1 finale, before Nemesis shows up for their final showdown, Cammie advises everyone to activate any mods they may need for the battle. There's a brief silence as everyone turns to face Yaz, who grumbles, "Ah, okay, okay..." What on earth is this interaction referring to?to?
** Maybe a joke about her new EyeBeams? She thought them impractical while Cammie insisted on adding them in.
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** Nemesis was showing clear signs of instability and degradation. The Union isn't good at innovating on their own, and they likely need an improved cyberbrain to make them more stable. Plus, inserting a Union-loyal agent into a cyberbrain would likely be helpful for them, since they only had the mangled and constantly-reprogrammed and tortured copy of Chase to work with.

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** Nemesis was showing clear signs of instability and degradation. The Union isn't good at innovating on their own, and they likely need an improved cyberbrain to make them more stable. Plus, inserting a Union-loyal agent into a cyberbrain would likely be helpful for them, since they only had the mangled and constantly-reprogrammed and tortured copy of Chase to work with.with.
* In the Season 1 finale, before Nemesis shows up for their final showdown, Cammie advises everyone to activate any mods they may need for the battle. There's a brief silence as everyone turns to face Yaz, who grumbles, "Ah, okay, okay..." What on earth is this interaction referring to?
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* So, the finale reveals that the Union has made multiple copies of Chase's original mind. Alright, sounds like something they would do based on what we've seen and heard so far, but this brings up a question. Specifically ''why did they send a spy to try and steal a holon at the beginning of the season''? If they can already create multiple copies of the one individual they have, doesn't that mean that they've already figured out how to build their own cyberbrains and they clearly know how to create a holon (and frankly, they way it was discussed in the show made it sound like the brains are the hard to produce bit, with the holons basically being based on existing mech technology with some new sensors and such). If they tried to steal the uplink tech or the doctor, it would make sense, but sinclair states that he's here for a holon specifically. Why?

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* So, the finale reveals that the Union has made multiple copies of Chase's original mind. Alright, sounds like something they would do based on what we've seen and heard so far, but this brings up a question. Specifically ''why did they send a spy to try and steal a holon at the beginning of the season''? If they can already create multiple copies of the one individual they have, doesn't that mean that they've already figured out how to build their own cyberbrains and they clearly know how to create a holon (and frankly, they way it was discussed in the show made it sound like the brains are the hard to produce bit, with the holons basically being based on existing mech technology with some new sensors and such). If they tried to steal the uplink tech or the doctor, it would make sense, but sinclair states that he's here for a holon specifically. Why?Why?
** Nemesis was showing clear signs of instability and degradation. The Union isn't good at innovating on their own, and they likely need an improved cyberbrain to make them more stable. Plus, inserting a Union-loyal agent into a cyberbrain would likely be helpful for them, since they only had the mangled and constantly-reprogrammed and tortured copy of Chase to work with.
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*** This is supported by a line in the first episode in which Leon says "it's Nanotech. The Union, they actually weaponized it." indicating that nanotech of some sort or another has existed for a while at this point, but New York is the first time anyone has used it in this fashion. Essentially, Union Nano is a high tech version of a biological weapon: it's not so much that the other side ''can't'' create and use it, it's that they ''won't''.

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*** This is supported by a line in the first episode in which Leon says "it's Nanotech. The Union, they actually weaponized it." indicating that nanotech of some sort or another has existed for a while at this point, but New York is the first time anyone has used it in this fashion. Essentially, Union Nano is a high tech version of a biological weapon: it's not so much that the other side ''can't'' create and use it, it's that they ''won't''.''won't''.
* So, the finale reveals that the Union has made multiple copies of Chase's original mind. Alright, sounds like something they would do based on what we've seen and heard so far, but this brings up a question. Specifically ''why did they send a spy to try and steal a holon at the beginning of the season''? If they can already create multiple copies of the one individual they have, doesn't that mean that they've already figured out how to build their own cyberbrains and they clearly know how to create a holon (and frankly, they way it was discussed in the show made it sound like the brains are the hard to produce bit, with the holons basically being based on existing mech technology with some new sensors and such). If they tried to steal the uplink tech or the doctor, it would make sense, but sinclair states that he's here for a holon specifically. Why?
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** Who said the Polity's nanotech is less advanced? most nanotech isent directly controlled, it just attacks everything thats organic and not protected by the proper signal, and even when directed seems to be an utterly horrifying way to die, more then likely the Polity CAN make nanotech on par with the union but refuses to on moral grounds

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** Who said the Polity's nanotech is less advanced? most nanotech isent directly controlled, it just attacks everything thats organic and not protected by the proper signal, and even when directed seems to be an utterly horrifying way to die, more then likely the Polity CAN make nanotech on par with the union but refuses to on moral groundsgrounds
*** This is supported by a line in the first episode in which Leon says "it's Nanotech. The Union, they actually weaponized it." indicating that nanotech of some sort or another has existed for a while at this point, but New York is the first time anyone has used it in this fashion. Essentially, Union Nano is a high tech version of a biological weapon: it's not so much that the other side ''can't'' create and use it, it's that they ''won't''.
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*** The military will ''always'' try to have spares of any equipment in active use, in order to replace damaged or malfunctioning equipment. Them keeping the sixth Holon in reserve makes total sense, considering how banged-up the others tend to be after each engagement.
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** The Union might not be great at coming up with new ideas, but they're clearly adept at improving on things that they acquire. They are extremely skilled at improving the efficiency of their tech, rather than creating completely new tech.

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** The Union might not be great at coming up with new ideas, but they're clearly adept at improving on things that they acquire. They are extremely skilled at improving the efficiency of their tech, rather than creating completely new tech.tech.
** Who said the Polity's nanotech is less advanced? most nanotech isent directly controlled, it just attacks everything thats organic and not protected by the proper signal, and even when directed seems to be an utterly horrifying way to die, more then likely the Polity CAN make nanotech on par with the union but refuses to on moral grounds

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* So why did Weller conceal [[spoiler: the fact that Chase is actually a backup copy of himself from him until Nemesis shows up? Was he just trying to avoid the inevitable existential crisis? Or did the Vanguard order him not to tell Chase the truth? Otherwise, it seems a little strange he wouldn't tear the bandaid off at some point.]]

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* So why did Weller conceal [[spoiler: the fact that Chase is actually a backup copy of himself from him until Nemesis shows up? Was he just trying to avoid the inevitable existential crisis? Or did the Vanguard order him not to tell Chase the truth? Otherwise, it seems a little strange he wouldn't tear the bandaid off at some point.]]



** Chase has a serious existential crisis right after the revelation, so that does seem to be why Weller was trying to cover it up. he isn't good at interpersonal relationships and so likely wasn't even sure how to broach the topic to an already-fragile Chase.



** While the Union seems to be less capable of creating brand new technology, they are pretty good at improving what they can get. [[spoiler: Nemesis went from a prototype Holon with a captive pilot to being able to fight a team of 5 improved Holons with veteran pilots without a problem.]]

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** While the Union seems to be less capable of creating brand new technology, they are pretty good at improving what they can get. [[spoiler: Nemesis went from a prototype Holon with a captive pilot to being able to fight a team of 5 improved Holons with veteran pilots without a problem.]]problem.
** The Union might not be great at coming up with new ideas, but they're clearly adept at improving on things that they acquire. They are extremely skilled at improving the efficiency of their tech, rather than creating completely new tech.
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*** Also a willingness to use it in incredibly unethical ways can get results sooner.

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*** Also a willingness to use it in incredibly unethical ways can get results sooner.sooner.
**While the Union seems to be less capable of creating brand new technology, they are pretty good at improving what they can get. [[spoiler: Nemesis went from a prototype Holon with a captive pilot to being able to fight a team of 5 improved Holons with veteran pilots without a problem.]]
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** The same way the Soviet Union got nuclear weapons technology: spies. There is evidence since there are Union sympathizers in Polity territory.

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** The same way the Soviet Union got nuclear weapons technology: spies. There is evidence since there are Union sympathizers in Polity territory.territory.
*** Also a willingness to use it in incredibly unethical ways can get results sooner.

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* If the Union is so uncreative, how is their nanotech so far ahead of the Polity's?

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** I can think of two reasons: One, he was likely ordered not to tell Julian by Colonel Marin and other Polity leaders. Two, he couldn't bring himself to do it.
* If the Union is so uncreative, how is their nanotech so far ahead of the Polity's?Polity's?
** The same way the Soviet Union got nuclear weapons technology: spies. There is evidence since there are Union sympathizers in Polity territory.
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* If the Union is so uncreative, how is their nanotech so far ahead of the Policy's?

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* If the Union is so uncreative, how is their nanotech so far ahead of the Policy's?Polity's?

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* So one question remains unanswered: why did Weller conceal [[spoiler: the fact that Chase is actually a backup copy of himself from him until Nemesis shows up? Was he just trying to avoid the inevitable existential crisis? Or did the Vanguard order him not to tell Chase the truth?]]

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* So one question remains unanswered: why did Weller conceal [[spoiler: the fact that Chase is actually a backup copy of himself from him until Nemesis shows up? Was he just trying to avoid the inevitable existential crisis? Or did the Vanguard order him not to tell Chase the truth?]]truth? Otherwise, it seems a little strange he wouldn't tear the bandaid off at some point.]]
* If the Union is so uncreative, how is their nanotech so far ahead of the Policy's?
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** Florida is one of the more...out of the way places, being a 'boot', and it's recognizable enough that people think of it. Makes it a good random joke. California/Texas are TOO huge. Alaska and Hawaii aren't part of the continental US, so something happening to them lacks impact.

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** Florida is one of the more...out of the way places, being a 'boot', and it's recognizable enough that people think of it. Makes it a good random joke. California/Texas are TOO huge. Alaska and Hawaii aren't part of the continental US, so something happening to them lacks impact.impact.
* So one question remains unanswered: why did Weller conceal [[spoiler: the fact that Chase is actually a backup copy of himself from him until Nemesis shows up? Was he just trying to avoid the inevitable existential crisis? Or did the Vanguard order him not to tell Chase the truth?]]
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*** Florida is formed on top of massive networks of underwater caves and sinkholes, and a large part of it (the Everglades) is only really held together by trees and constantly changing. It's not unrealistic for it to be destroyed by large scale weapons, climate change, or any number of other things. Perhaps gen:LOCK takes place in a timeline where it was partially destroyed in a previous war?

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*** Florida is formed on top of massive networks of underwater caves and sinkholes, and a large part of it (the Everglades) is only really held together by trees and constantly changing. It's not unrealistic for it to be destroyed by large scale weapons, climate change, or any number of other things. Perhaps gen:LOCK takes place in a timeline where it was partially destroyed in a previous war?war?
** Florida is one of the more...out of the way places, being a 'boot', and it's recognizable enough that people think of it. Makes it a good random joke. California/Texas are TOO huge. Alaska and Hawaii aren't part of the continental US, so something happening to them lacks impact.
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*** I'm personally not sure global warming is 100% the case. If it was, then why does the Union have scientists as prisoners from Cape Canaveral, a place in Florida that's been claimed to be lost. Maybe global warming contributed to it, but I'm thinking the Union also had a hand in it, because not only is Florida in Union jurisdiction, but this [[https://i.redd.it/t3fqcifqm3g21.png map]] also shows Florida in chunks.

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*** I'm personally not sure global warming is 100% the case. If it was, then why does the Union have scientists as prisoners from Cape Canaveral, a place in Florida that's been claimed to be lost. Maybe global warming contributed to it, but I'm thinking the Union also had a hand in it, because not only is Florida in Union jurisdiction, but this [[https://i.redd.it/t3fqcifqm3g21.png map]] also shows Florida in chunks.chunks.
**** Florida is formed on top of massive networks of underwater caves and sinkholes, and a large part of it (the Everglades) is only really held together by trees and constantly changing. It's not unrealistic for it to be destroyed by large scale weapons, climate change, or any number of other things. Perhaps gen:LOCK takes place in a timeline where it was partially destroyed in a previous war?
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** Global warming. You can see in New York in the pilot that they've got massive seawalls to hold back the ocean, which aren't there in reality.

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** Global warming. You can see in New York in the pilot that they've got massive seawalls to hold back the ocean, which aren't there in reality.reality.
*** I'm personally not sure global warming is 100% the case. If it was, then why does the Union have scientists as prisoners from Cape Canaveral, a place in Florida that's been claimed to be lost. Maybe global warming contributed to it, but I'm thinking the Union also had a hand in it, because not only is Florida in Union jurisdiction, but this [[https://i.redd.it/t3fqcifqm3g21.png map]] also shows Florida in chunks.
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* Since the Season 10 finale of Red vs. Blue, it seems that the United States map in future animated productions give Florida the short end of the stick, either having it missing or having a chunk of it missing. Gen:LOCK shows in Episode 5 that Florida is suffering from the latter. What would be the in-universe reason for Gen:LOCK's version of Florida having the majority of it's territory completely gone?

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* Since the Season 10 finale of Red vs. Blue, it seems that the United States map in future animated productions give Florida the short end of the stick, either having it missing or having a chunk of it missing. Gen:LOCK shows in Episode 5 that Florida is suffering from the latter. What would be the in-universe reason for Gen:LOCK's version of Florida having the majority of it's territory completely gone?gone?
** Global warming. You can see in New York in the pilot that they've got massive seawalls to hold back the ocean, which aren't there in reality.
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*** Gen:Lock has only identified six candidates right now, but they are looking to expand the program and recruit more personnel. Plus one of the Holons could be severely damaged in combat and they might need a replacement. Since all of the Holons are standardized and they've all operated in a standard Holon with standard armor, it would be easy for anyone to transfer to the new one before the real modifications start.

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*** Gen:Lock has only identified six candidates right now, but they are looking to expand the program and recruit more personnel. Plus one of the Holons could be severely damaged in combat and they might need a replacement. Since all of the Holons are standardized and they've all operated in a standard Holon with standard armor, it would be easy for anyone to transfer to the new one before the real modifications start.start.
* Since the Season 10 finale of Red vs. Blue, it seems that the United States map in future animated productions give Florida the short end of the stick, either having it missing or having a chunk of it missing. Gen:LOCK shows in Episode 5 that Florida is suffering from the latter. What would be the in-universe reason for Gen:LOCK's version of Florida having the majority of it's territory completely gone?
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** No there are six holons it is most apparent in episode 5 but if you pay attention there is a holon with blue highlights the one that was synched to sinclair's pilot suit.

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** No there are six holons it is most apparent in episode 5 but if you pay attention there is a holon with blue highlights the one that was synched to sinclair's Sinclair's pilot suit.
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** Which raises the question, why continue to armor it if they don't have a pilot for it yet. The others needed to learn how to maneuver in the basic frames a bit before being upgraded so if anyone uses that armor they'd be at a disadvantage.

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** Which raises the question, why continue to armor it if they don't have a pilot for it yet. The others needed to learn how to maneuver in the basic frames a bit before being upgraded so if anyone uses that armor they'd be at a disadvantage.disadvantage.
*** Gen:Lock has only identified six candidates right now, but they are looking to expand the program and recruit more personnel. Plus one of the Holons could be severely damaged in combat and they might need a replacement. Since all of the Holons are standardized and they've all operated in a standard Holon with standard armor, it would be easy for anyone to transfer to the new one before the real modifications start.
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** A sixth, dark blue Holon is shown in the hanger in the second episode and in the later episodes as well.

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** A sixth, dark blue Holon is shown in the hanger in the second episode and in the later episodes as well.well.
** Which raises the question, why continue to armor it if they don't have a pilot for it yet. The others needed to learn how to maneuver in the basic frames a bit before being upgraded so if anyone uses that armor they'd be at a disadvantage.

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* In Episode 2, Weller brings in 4 new Gen:Lock recruits in addition to the 2 he already has. That's 6 pilots, but he only has 5 Holons. If [[spoiler:Sinclair didn't turn out to be a spy]], what was his plan? Just have one of them wait around until they get another mech?
-No there are six holons it is most apparent in episode 5 but if you pay attention there is a holon with blue highlights the one that was synched to sinclair's pilot suit

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* In Episode 2, Weller brings in 4 new Gen:Lock recruits in addition to the 2 he already has. That's 6 pilots, but he only has 5 Holons. If [[spoiler:Sinclair Sinclair didn't turn out to be a spy]], spy, what was his plan? Just have one of them wait around until they get another mech?
-No ** No there are six holons it is most apparent in episode 5 but if you pay attention there is a holon with blue highlights the one that was synched to sinclair's pilot suitsuit.
** A sixth, dark blue Holon is shown in the hanger in the second episode and in the later episodes as well.
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-No there are six holons it is most apparent in episode 5 but if you pay attention there is a hollow with blue highlights the one that was synched to sinclair's pilot suit

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-No there are six holons it is most apparent in episode 5 but if you pay attention there is a hollow holon with blue highlights the one that was synched to sinclair's pilot suit
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* In Episode 2, Weller brings in 4 new Gen:Lock recruits in addition to the 2 he already has. That's 6 pilots, but he only has 5 Holons. If [[spoiler:Sinclair didn't turn out to be a spy]], what was his plan? Just have one of them wait around until they get another mech?

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* In Episode 2, Weller brings in 4 new Gen:Lock recruits in addition to the 2 he already has. That's 6 pilots, but he only has 5 Holons. If [[spoiler:Sinclair didn't turn out to be a spy]], what was his plan? Just have one of them wait around until they get another mech?mech?
-No there are six holons it is most apparent in episode 5 but if you pay attention there is a hollow with blue highlights the one that was synched to sinclair's pilot suit
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* In Episode 2, Weller brings in 4 new Gen:Lock recruits in addition to the 2 he already has. That's 6 pilots, but he only has 5 Holons. If [[spoiler:Sinclair didn't turn out to be a spy]], what was his plan? Just have one of them wait around until they get another mech?

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