History Headscratchers / EpicMickey

** This actually makes some sense. The area was to be based on Alice's Curious Labyrinth at Disneyland Paris, so it would be based on an unfamiliar attraction for most of the audience. And because [[EpicMickey Epic Mickey's]] entire conceit is twisting its setting into a Burtonesque reimagining of the original, it could very easily lead to the assumption that this area is based on the new movie that many people have seen, rather than what it actually is about.

** Not that this has anything to do with the Disney-verse (except via ''Film/WhoFramedRogerRabbit)'', but the ''LooneyTunes'' canon seems to imply that the lines are really, ''really'' blurred for the characters involved. They're thrust into crazy situations by whoever's holding the brush, and their stardom simply depends on how they handle the situations. Animator BobClampett attributed BugsBunny's success over his foes to the fact that he was GenreSavvy enough to read the script in advance.

*** Compare ''WesternAnimation/{{Bonkers}}'', which has both animated characters who are still animated within the show's universe, and animated characters who are supposed to be "real." Or ''KidRadd'', featuring characters who know they're from a video game, but don't know that they're ''really'' from a webcomic.

*** That was just the first story he appeared in, though. Most later stories with him as the villain tended to scrap the aspect of the character that he was unwilling to kill [[OswaldtheLuckyRabbit Mickey]] hands on, made him wear the black cloak all the time instead of just as a disguise, and escalated his ambitions into outright [[TakeOverTheWorld World Domination]]. I always thought he was a cool villain, especially since [[MickeyMouse Mickey]] was more typically pitted against incompetent thugs like Pete. I'm not necessary against the "ink monster" reimagining, though. I just don't like that the Blot we've seen so far seems to be little more than a mindless monster rather than the DiabolicalMastermind he should be.
*** Okay, so maybe it was a pretty weak excuse to justify The Blot by calling the original Phantom Blot "lame". What he should have said was "not quite applicable to the game".

*** It seemed less of fear as much as caution mixed with shock.

**** Because most people wouldn't associate Mickey Mouse in the same title as "Epic". Thus to remind them that it's not some dude named Mickey, but Mickey Mouse in an exciting, awesome, dark Disney adventure. [[{{MST3K Mantra}} Just go with it. It'll stop hurting soon.]]

** Not sure if this helps, but in "Tales of the Wasteland," Oswald admits that he's not totally forgotten, it's just that the few fans he does have think of him more as a proto-{{Mickey Mouse}}.

* You have facts wrong. None of the Sensational Six Disney character are in the wasteland - Daisy, [[DonaldDuck Donald]], and Goofy are all robot duplicates. Minnie doesn't appear in the game ''at all'' (aside from her image on trashed merchandise) and neither does Pluto, so I'm not sure where you're getting that from. Horace Horsecollar and Clarabelle Cow's only appearance in DECADES in animated form was the fairly recent (and not exactly world-changing) {{House of Mouse}} as minor recurring characters. But they're not ''loved'', they've never had their own properties, and outside of the comics most people ''don't remember them''. [[MickeyMouse Mickey]], [[DonaldDuck Donald]], Goofy, and even Pluto have all had either their own television series, a long series of theatrical shots, or both - and Minnie and Daisy, as love interests are able to ride on their coat-tails. Hence, Clarabell and Horace just aren't remembered well these days. The only valid point is Pete - they try to justify it by saying it's because his peg leg was discarded in his design, but that's just bullshit - '''Pete (despite their lame justifications) doesn't belong in the Wasteland''', and it's just clearly uncreative that he's there and appears in so many different forms. As for Smee and Hook - Smee is a discarded prototype design and Captain Hook is a robot built to keep Smee company, just like Daisy, [[DonaldDuck Donald]], and Goofy. If anything, my complaint with the game so far is that they've used generic non-existent characters as [=NPCs=] for shopowners when there are a gaggle of other forgotten Disney characters not in the game at all - such as Peter Pig, Humprhey, Ranger Woodlore, and Clara Cluck, as well as [[OswaldtheLuckyRabbit Oswald's]] other supporting cast members of Fanny and Homer that they could have used instead of generic reskins of Goofy, Clarabelle, and Horace.

** The Pete on main street is not Big Pete from Modern day {{Disney}}, but is Pegleg Pete that was actually an antagonist in several Oswald cartoons and early {{Disney}} cartoons (Pete is actually the only character {{Disney}} kept and is the oldest currently used character, even older than {{Mickey Mouse}} ''and'' {{Oswald the Lucky Rabbit}}.)

* Both games are awesome and both games have Disney and a Heart-theme, yes, but they are really nothing alike, just like the Original Editor said. Kingdom Hearts is a Fantasy Action-RPG, Epic Mickey is a Jump and Run Platformer. Kingdom Hearts features a High and Mighty King-Badass {{Mickey Mouse}}, this one features [[MickeyMouse Mickey]] as a, more or less, BadassNormal. There are similarities, yet the games aren't comparable. Strange, but true.

* Okay, so in the "behind the scenes" video from E3 a few months back, we have the [[{{BigBad}} Phantom Blot]] in a cloak, much like his older incarnations, doing the failed heart-extracting. But in the official opening released, not only is the Phantom Blot in his inky form from his creation by [[MickeyMouse Mickey]], but it's the Mad Doctor doing the experimenting! Why the change? Why was he in a cloak?

***** It's more likely that, early on in development, the Mad Doctor was supposed to be wearing that for at least part of the game. It's likely that it was removed because that makes him look identical to the classic Phantom Blot, and they didn't want to cause confusion.

* And for even more CowboyBebopAtHisComputer research, people are confusing the "Shadow Blot" (they renamed the Phantom Blot during development for some reason) for [[{{TheNightmareBeforeChristmas}} Oogie Boogie]]. Um... how many people are failing to take ten seconds of internet research for the characters, and to realize that Touchstone is NOT working on the game?

** /co/ got the notion of [[OswaldtheLuckyRabbit Oswald]] being the primary villain of the game from those early plot leaks that kinda fudged the details, plus the motivation that he wishes he was {{Mickey Mouse}} created a monster.

** Hopeful answer: They're saving the fifinella for the sequel.

** Not that this has anything to do with the Disney-verse (except via ''WhoFramedRogerRabbit)'', but the ''LooneyTunes'' canon seems to imply that the lines are really, ''really'' blurred for the characters involved. They're thrust into crazy situations by whoever's holding the brush, and their stardom simply depends on how they handle the situations. Animator BobClampett attributed BugsBunny's success over his foes to the fact that he was GenreSavvy enough to read the script in advance.

*** Compare ''{{Bonkers}}'', which has both animated characters who are still animated within the show's universe, and animated characters who are supposed to be "real." Or ''KidRadd'', featuring characters who know they're from a video game, but don't know that they're ''really'' from a webcomic.

** They don't have to re-use the Wasteland as a setting if they don't wish to, or they could de-emphasize it. I'm picturing any sequels being something like a cross between the VideoGame/MarioAndLuigi games, the Game/SamAndMaxFreelancePolice games, and a BuddyCopShow done with Mickey and Oswald.

** The Disney comics point towards acting in shorts as Mickey's day job while the comics are his actual adventures. And Pete's been a dick off camera and on panel for the longest time.

This is where LeaningOnTheFourthWall meets MindScrew. Whenever a character talks about old shorts they starred in, they make it very clear that they considered themselves ''actors'', and that they are aware that their cartoons are just entertainment for the masses. So if everything that happens in those cartoons is just acting, then why do relationships and actions from them affect how the characters interact in "real life"? Mickey is immediately furious upon seeing Pete for the first time in Mean Street, but why? Everything bad they've done to each other was in a ''cartoon'', and they are perfectly aware of that. Acting is SeriousBusiness, apparently.

** They don't have to re-use the Wasteland as a setting if they don't wish to, or they could de-emphasize it. I'm picturing any sequels being something like a cross between the MarioAndLuigi games, the Game/SamAndMaxFreelancePolice games, and a BuddyCopShow done with Mickey and Oswald.

*** But Hook didn't start out as an audioanimatronic. He went into some sort of machine that turned him into one, he was the real Hook before that.

** They don't have to re-use the Wasteland as a setting if they don't wish to, or they could de-emphasize it. I'm picturing any sequels being something like a cross between the MarioAndLuigi games, the SamAndMax games, and a BuddyCopShow done with Mickey and Oswald.

This is where LeaningOnTheFourthWall meets MindScrew. Whenever a character talks about old shorts they starred in, they make it very clear that they considered themselves ''actors'', and that they are aware that their cartoons are just entertainment for the masses. So if everything that happens in those cartoons is just acting, then why do relationships and actions from them affect how the characters interact? Mickey is immediately furious upon seeing Pete for the first time in Mean Street, but why? Everything bad they've done to each other was in a ''cartoon'', and they are perfectly aware of that. Acting is SeriousBusiness, apparently.

Whenever a character talks about old shorts they starred in, they make it very clear that they considered themselves ''actors'', and that they are aware that their cartoons are just entertainment for the masses. So if everything that happens in those cartoons is just acting, then why do relationships and actions from them affect how the characters interact? Mickey is immediately furious upon seeing Pete for the first time in Mean Street, but why? Everything bad they've done to each other was in a ''cartoon'', and they are perfectly aware of that. Acting is SeriousBusiness, apparently.

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* As bad as the comparison to this with Kingdom Hearts is, why are some people comparing this game to SuperMarioSunshine? There's liquid-spraying, yes, but that's paint and thinner, not water, and this isn't about clearing your name, you can go down the evil path for all I care.

Disney finally got to use the gremlins, awesome, but why no [[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fifinella Fifinella]]? They were made for the same failed film as the gremlins, so how come we don't see the females of the species?

* You have facts wrong. None of the Sensational Six Disney character are in the wasteland - Daisy, [[DonaldDuck Donald]], and Goofy are all robot duplicates. Minnie doesn't appear in the game ''at all'' (aside from her image on trashed merchandise) and neither does Pluto, so I'm not sure where you're getting that from. Horace Horsecollar and Clarabelle Cow's only appearance in DECADES in animated form was the fairly recent (and not exactly world-changing) {{House of Mouse}} as minor recurring characters. But they're not ''loved'', they've never had their own properties, and outside of the comics most people ''don't remember them''. [[MickeyMouse Mickey]], [[DonaldDuck Donald]], Goofy, and even Pluto have all had either their own television series, a long series of theatrical shots, or both - and Minnie and Daisy, as love interests are able to ride on their coat-tails. Hence, Clarabell and Horace just aren't remembered well these days. The only valid point is Pete - they try to justify it by saying it's because his peg leg was discarded in his design, but that's just bullshit - '''Pete (despite their lame justifications) doesn't belong in the Wasteland''', and it's just clearly uncreative that he's there and appears in so many different forms. As for Smee and Hook - Smee is a discarded prototype design and Captain Hook is a robot built to keep Smee company, just like Daisy, [[DonaldDuck Donald]], and Goofy. If anything, my complaint with the game so far is that they've used generic non-existent characters as NPCs for shopowners when there are a gaggle of other forgotten Disney characters not in the game at all - such as Peter Pig, Humprhey, Ranger Woodlore, and Clara Cluck, as well as [[OswaldtheLuckyRabbit Oswald's]] other supporting cast members of Fanny and Homer that they could have used instead of generic reskins of Goofy, Clarabelle, and Horace.

*** Compare ''{{Bonkers}}'', which has both animated characters who are still animated within the show's universe, and animated characters who are supposed to be "real." Or ''[[Kid Radd]]'', featuring characters who know they're from a video game, but don't know that they're ''really'' from a webcomic.