History Headscratchers / EpicMickey

[[folder: Why is WesternAnimation/{{OswaldTheLuckyRabbit}} afraid of WesternAnimation/{{MickeyMouse}}?]]

*** That still doesn't explain why clearly non rejected characters are ending up in the Wasteland. Also, if it is simply an "older version" rule, why isn't an older version of [[MickeyMouse Mickey]] there?
** Not sure if this helps, but in "Tales of the Wasteland," Oswald admits that he's not totally forgotten, it's just that the few fans he does have think of him more as a proto-MickeyMouse.

** You have facts wrong. None of the Sensational Six Disney character are in the wasteland - Daisy, [[WesternAnimation/DonaldDuck Donald]], and Goofy are all robot duplicates. Minnie doesn't appear in the game ''at all'' (aside from her image on trashed merchandise) and neither does Pluto, so I'm not sure where you're getting that from. Horace Horsecollar and Clarabelle Cow's only appearance in DECADES in animated form was the fairly recent (and not exactly world-changing) ''WesternAnimation/HouseOfMouse'' as minor recurring characters. But they're not ''loved'', they've never had their own properties, and outside of the comics most people ''don't remember them''. [[MickeyMouse Mickey]], [[WesternAnimation/DonaldDuck Donald]], Goofy, and even Pluto have all had either their own television series, a long series of theatrical shots, or both - and Minnie and Daisy, as love interests are able to ride on their coat-tails. Hence, Clarabell and Horace just aren't remembered well these days. The only valid point is Pete - they try to justify it by saying it's because his peg leg was discarded in his design, but that's just bullshit - '''Pete (despite their lame justifications) doesn't belong in the Wasteland''', and it's just clearly uncreative that he's there and appears in so many different forms. As for Smee and Hook - Smee is a discarded prototype design and Captain Hook is a robot built to keep Smee company, just like Daisy, [[WesternAnimation/DonaldDuck Donald]], and Goofy. If anything, my complaint with the game so far is that they've used generic non-existent characters as [=NPCs=] for shopowners when there are a gaggle of other forgotten Disney characters not in the game at all - such as Peter Pig, Humprhey, Ranger Woodlore, and Clara Cluck, as well as [[WesternAnimation/OswaldTheLuckyRabbit Oswald's]] other supporting cast members of Fanny and Homer that they could have used instead of generic reskins of Goofy, Clarabelle, and Horace.

* Both games are awesome and both games have Disney and a Heart-theme, yes, but they are really nothing alike, just like the Original Editor said. Kingdom Hearts is a Fantasy Action-RPG, Epic Mickey is a Jump and Run Platformer. Kingdom Hearts features a High and Mighty King-Badass MickeyMouse, this one features Franchise/MickeyMouse as a, more or less, BadassNormal. There are similarities, yet the games aren't comparable. Strange, but true.

** /co/ got the notion of Oswald being the primary villain of the game from those early plot leaks that kinda fudged the details, plus the motivation that he wishes he was MickeyMouse created a monster.

** Ortensia wasn't merely thinned, though — ''all'' her paint had been sucked out and absorbed by the Blot, which presumably means her "soul" was as well. Her very essence was trapped inside the Blot as one more Lost Character, and AWizardDidIt allows ''that'' paint (not just ''any'' paint) to return to Ortensia's petrified body. Chances are, trying to add different paint to the petrified Ortensia 'shell' would either not have worked at all, or [[CameBackWrong given life to an Ortensia-shaped Toon that wasn't actually *Ortensia*]].

** You have facts wrong. None of the Sensational Six Disney character are in the wasteland - Daisy, [[WesternAnimation/DonaldDuck Donald]], and Goofy are all robot duplicates. Minnie doesn't appear in the game ''at all'' (aside from her image on trashed merchandise) and neither does Pluto, so I'm not sure where you're getting that from. Horace Horsecollar and Clarabelle Cow's only appearance in DECADES in animated form was the fairly recent (and not exactly world-changing) ''WesternAnimation/HouseOfMouse'' as minor recurring characters. But they're not ''loved'', they've never had their own properties, and outside of the comics most people ''don't remember them''. [[MickeyMouse Mickey]], [[DonaldDuck Donald]], Goofy, and even Pluto have all had either their own television series, a long series of theatrical shots, or both - and Minnie and Daisy, as love interests are able to ride on their coat-tails. Hence, Clarabell and Horace just aren't remembered well these days. The only valid point is Pete - they try to justify it by saying it's because his peg leg was discarded in his design, but that's just bullshit - '''Pete (despite their lame justifications) doesn't belong in the Wasteland''', and it's just clearly uncreative that he's there and appears in so many different forms. As for Smee and Hook - Smee is a discarded prototype design and Captain Hook is a robot built to keep Smee company, just like Daisy, [[WesternAnimation/DonaldDuck Donald]], and Goofy. If anything, my complaint with the game so far is that they've used generic non-existent characters as [=NPCs=] for shopowners when there are a gaggle of other forgotten Disney characters not in the game at all - such as Peter Pig, Humprhey, Ranger Woodlore, and Clara Cluck, as well as [[WesternAnimation/OswaldTheLuckyRabbit Oswald's]] other supporting cast members of Fanny and Homer that they could have used instead of generic reskins of Goofy, Clarabelle, and Horace.

*** [[CompletelyMissingThePoint Yen Sid doesn't have a wand, he has a hat.]] Also, he didn't fix it because ''he didn't know.'' The first time the Blot made himself known to the outside world was probably when he dragged Mickey out of bed.

* Should characters & elements from WesternAnimation/TheBlackCauldron be in Wasteland? That hasn't just been forgotten by the public, but by Disney themselves. Is that what stopped it from being included?
** More that said film was an adaptation of the ''Literature/ChroniclesOfPrydain'' series of books by Lloyd Alexander. The characters in it, from Gurgi all the way through to the Horned King, and with the exception of Creeper (who was a CanonForeigner), belong to the original author, and so are not Disney characters. (This is also part of why Disney quietly omits the film as often as possible -- royalties go to the estate of Lloyd Alexander, cutting Disney's notoriously stretched budget.)

** Alright, sure, minor characters, but if that's the case, why are [[Disney/PeterPan Hook and Smee]] in Wasteland? The generic pirates, sure, but those two can hardly qualify as ''forgotten.''

* Should characters & elements from Disney/TheBlackCauldron be in Wasteland? That hasn't just been forgotten by the public, but by Disney themselves. Is that what stopped it from being included?

** Maybe Epic Mickey simply takes place ''before'' WesternAnimation/HouseOfMouse? That might even be one reason why the game only references Disney movies up to ''Disney/TheJungleBook'', while ''WesternAnimation/HouseOfMouse'' features characters from later movies as well.

* Warren Spector calling the Phantom Blot lame to justify using his name for a generic blob monster.

[[folder: Why is WesternAnimation/{{Oswald|TheLuckyRabbit}} afraid of WesternAnimation/{{Mickey|Mouse}}?]]

** But even ''still'', Horace Horsecollar? Clarabelle Cow? '''PETE and Daisy Duck'''? They've been reused constantly throughout Disney's history, especially in WesternAnimation/HouseOfMouse and KingdomHearts, so why are they in the wasteland? They're pretty much the least obscure characters there!

[[folder: VideoGame/KingdomHearts is NOT VideoGame/EpicMickey]]
* People who complain that this game is "too much like KingdomHearts" or that that it's pretty much just a [[CowboyBebopAtHisComputer Kingdom Hearts ripoff]]. FlatWhat. Have you even looked at any of the trailers, gameplay, storylines, or ''anything about the game at all''? Yes, it has Mickey Mouse, but it's Retro Mickey and Retro Disney, so how is it ''anything'' like KingdomHearts? Also, '''STOP COMPARING THE TWO GAMES TOGETHER'''. Besides being "Disney", they have ''nothing in common''.

* Both games are awesome and both games have Disney and a Heart-theme, yes, but they are really nothing alike, just like the Original Editor said. Kingdom Hearts is a Fantasy Action-RPG, Epic Mickey is a Jump and Run Platformer. Kingdom Hearts features a High and Mighty King-Badass MickeyMouse, this one features [[MickeyMouse Mickey]] as a, more or less, BadassNormal. There are similarities, yet the games aren't comparable. Strange, but true.

[[folder: Why was an ''Alice in Wonderland'' themed world dropped as to not compete with the Tim Burton Movie but Tron stuff added to the game when a new movie based off ''Tron'' came out around the time Epic Mickey was released or at least close to it's release?]]

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*** The Above ''would'' be true if it weren't for the fact that Oswald ''was'' aware of Mickey's popularity. I dunno about him knowing that Mickey Created the Phantom Blot, but still.

* Couldn't they think of a better name then "Epic Mickey"?

* Dunno if this helps, but Wikipedia says that the Wasteland Daisy is, in fact, a robot.
* You have facts wrong. None of the Sensational Six Disney character are in the wasteland - Daisy, [[WesternAnimation/DonaldDuck Donald]], and Goofy are all robot duplicates. Minnie doesn't appear in the game ''at all'' (aside from her image on trashed merchandise) and neither does Pluto, so I'm not sure where you're getting that from. Horace Horsecollar and Clarabelle Cow's only appearance in DECADES in animated form was the fairly recent (and not exactly world-changing) ''WesternAnimation/HouseOfMouse'' as minor recurring characters. But they're not ''loved'', they've never had their own properties, and outside of the comics most people ''don't remember them''. [[MickeyMouse Mickey]], [[DonaldDuck Donald]], Goofy, and even Pluto have all had either their own television series, a long series of theatrical shots, or both - and Minnie and Daisy, as love interests are able to ride on their coat-tails. Hence, Clarabell and Horace just aren't remembered well these days. The only valid point is Pete - they try to justify it by saying it's because his peg leg was discarded in his design, but that's just bullshit - '''Pete (despite their lame justifications) doesn't belong in the Wasteland''', and it's just clearly uncreative that he's there and appears in so many different forms. As for Smee and Hook - Smee is a discarded prototype design and Captain Hook is a robot built to keep Smee company, just like Daisy, [[WesternAnimation/DonaldDuck Donald]], and Goofy. If anything, my complaint with the game so far is that they've used generic non-existent characters as [=NPCs=] for shopowners when there are a gaggle of other forgotten Disney characters not in the game at all - such as Peter Pig, Humprhey, Ranger Woodlore, and Clara Cluck, as well as [[WesternAnimation/OswaldTheLuckyRabbit Oswald's]] other supporting cast members of Fanny and Homer that they could have used instead of generic reskins of Goofy, Clarabelle, and Horace.

** More that said film was an adaptation of the ''Literature/ChroniclesOfPrydain'' series of books by Lloyd Alexander. The characters in it, from Gurgi all the way through to the Horned King, belong to the original author, and so are not Disney characters. (This is also part of why Disney quietly omits the film as often as possible -- royalties go to the estate of Lloyd Alexander, cutting Disney's notoriously stretched budget.)

*** It's more likely that, early on in development, the Mad Doctor was supposed to be wearing that for at least part of the game. It's likely that it was removed because that makes him look identical to the classic Phantom Blot, and they didn't want to cause confusion.

* And for even more CowboyBebopAtHisComputer research, people are confusing the "Shadow Blot" (they renamed the Phantom Blot during development for some reason) for [[WesternAnimation/TheNightmareBeforeChristmas Oogie Boogie]]. Um... how many people are failing to take ten seconds of internet research for the characters, and to realize that Touchstone is NOT working on the game?
** [[Creator/TouchstonePictures Touchstone is a part of Disney]]. It's used for non-kid-friendly stuff that the main Disney label would look rather... out-of-place on.

** Alright, sure, minor characters, but if that's the case, why are [[PeterPan Hook and Smee]] in Wasteland? The generic pirates, sure, but those two can hardly qualify as ''forgotten.''

*** Actually, it seemed to have worked for Clarabelle. She regularly appears in MickeyMouseClubhouse.