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** It's not like they signed a legal contract. And given that not a one of them was willing to help when she was in distress, screw the lot of them.

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** It's not like they signed a legal contract. And given that not a one of them was willing to help when she was in distress, screw the lot of them.them.
* Chronologically speaking, Olive makes her comment about Huckleberry Finn not being applicable to real life ''after'' Brandon runs away from home with a big hulking black guy. Thus it makes no sense for her to say that that would never happen.
** She's framing the story, so she can add a bit of playful foreshadowing as she pleases.
* It seems very odd that Olive would be sent to the principal's office (by her favorite teacher, no less) for calling a girl a "twat," when the other girl is not reprimanded for calling her a "skank" or a "tramp." Although "twat" ''is'' a bad word, it is usually not seen as very serious in America, whereas the other two are much more common and would definitely garner a stronger reaction.\\
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This caused even more confusion outside of the US, particularly to UK viewers, where "twat" simply refers to a stupid and contemptible person.
** In the original, R-rated draft of the script, Olive calls the other girl ''[[CountryMatters that]]''. This was censored and replaced by the most similar four-letter word they could find, so it would be easy for Olive to spell it with her peas later on in the movie.
** For the matter, why isn't the other girl sent to the principal's office? She ''was'' the one who insulted Olive in the first place.
*** I've wondered about it myself. Maybe she's the kid of someone powerful?
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* If it weren't for Olive's confession to Mr. Griffith, he never would have known that his wife had a painful STI, which she could have easily passed on to him. Here's hoping that Olive warned him about this in time.
* Brandon was being bullied for being gay, to such an extent that he had to pretend to have sex with Olive, and eventually leave town to stop the bullying. We only ever see him with a bloody nose, but that amount of caution implies that he's been through a hell of a lot worse.
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* Now that Olive has revealed that all those guys never slept with her, will they demand a refund? Are they entitled to?..

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* Now that Olive has revealed that all those guys never slept with her, will they demand a refund? Are they entitled to?..to?..
** It's not like they signed a legal contract. And given that not a one of them was willing to help when she was in distress, screw the lot of them.

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* Pretty much everything about Rhiannon bugs me, but let's start with the most glaring piece of FridgeLogic: When Olive first "confesses" to losing her virginity, Rhiannon sqeals, ''"Finally!"'' Then, like a minute later, it's implied that she herself is still a virgin. Why would she feel it's high time that Olive had sex when she herself never has? Aren't they the same age?

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* Pretty much everything about Rhiannon bugs me, but let's start with the most glaring piece of FridgeLogic: When Olive first "confesses" to losing her virginity, Rhiannon sqeals, squeals, ''"Finally!"'' Then, like a minute later, it's implied that she herself is still a virgin. Why would she feel it's high time that Olive had sex when she herself never has? Aren't they the same age?



* Brandon [[spoiler: '''running away from home to shack up with an older man''']]. I certainly feel his pain, but that's what we in the gay community call "A bad idea."

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* Brandon [[spoiler: '''running away from home to shack up with an older man''']].man'''. I certainly feel his pain, but that's what we in the gay community call "A bad idea."



* Early in the movie, in the podcast framing device, Olive talks about how the book you study in English always ends up being relevant to your life and makes the Huckleberry Finn comment. Since this happens early on, it counts as a BrickJoke / {{Foreshadowing}} when [[spoiler: Brandon runs away with a big black man]]. However, in the film's chronology, Olive filmed the podcast ''after'' she found out about Brandon, which begs the question of why she made the comment in the first place and why she made the "My apologies to Mark Twain" comment after she found out.

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* Early in the movie, in the podcast framing device, Olive talks about how the book you study in English always ends up being relevant to your life and makes the Huckleberry Finn comment. Since this happens early on, it counts as a BrickJoke / {{Foreshadowing}} when [[spoiler: Brandon runs away with a big black man]].man. However, in the film's chronology, Olive filmed the podcast ''after'' she found out about Brandon, which begs the question of why she made the comment in the first place and why she made the "My apologies to Mark Twain" comment after she found out.
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** They probably didn't think it would be confusing and would be taken as a joke.

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** They probably didn't think it would be confusing and would be taken as a joke.joke.
* Now that Olive has revealed that all those guys never slept with her, will they demand a refund? Are they entitled to?..
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*** California, though?..
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*** To be fair to her parents, they were NEVER skeptical - they just never got hold of the rumors, and Olive didn't tell them anything even though they asked her repeatedly if anything was wrong. And when she finally did tell her mother, she was not in the least bit skeptical about it.
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*** "Older" could mean college age, so maybe one or two years older, which is still an acceptable age gap.
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** Him ''not'' being Olive's biological father, and Olive (and her mother) calling him her "father" don't have to be mutually exclusive. Specifically, some children whose parent re-marries, regard their stepfather/stepmother unequivocally as their father/mother and call them that, especially if they get along very well (which certainly Olive did seem to with both her parents), and if the step-parent has been a parent figure in the child's life since the child was young [[note]]according to a WMG theory, Olive (and her older brother who's only mentioned but not shown in the movie)'s biological father could be a previous husband of her mother's, after which her mother remarried to her currant husband, and with him, adopted Olive's youngest brother; that little brother doesn't seem to differ ''that'' much in age from Olive, which would mean Olive has known the man she now calls her father from a young age on.[[/note]].

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** Him ''not'' being Olive's biological father, and Olive (and her mother) calling him her "father" don't have to be mutually exclusive. Specifically, some children whose parent re-marries, regard their stepfather/stepmother unequivocally as their father/mother and call them that, especially if they get along very well (which certainly Olive did seem to with both her parents), and if the step-parent has been a parent figure in the child's life since the child was young [[note]]according [[note]]According to a WMG theory, Olive (and her older brother who's only mentioned but not shown in the movie)'s biological father could be a previous husband of her mother's, after which her mother remarried to her currant current husband, and with him, adopted Olive's youngest brother; that little brother doesn't seem to differ ''that'' much in age from Olive, which would mean Olive has known the man she now calls her father from a young age on.[[/note]].
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** Him ''not'' being Olive's biological father, and Olive (and her mother) calling him her "father" don't have to be mutually exclusive. Specifically, some children whose parent re-marries, regard their stepfather/stepmother unequivocally as their father/mother and call them that, especially if they get along very well (which certainly Olive did seem to with both her parents), and if the step-parent has been a parent figure in the child's life since the child was young [[note]]according to a WMG theory, Olive (and her older brother who's only mentioned but not shown in the movie)'s biological father could be a previous husband of her mother's, after which her mother remarried to her currant husband, and with him, adopted Olive's youngest brother; that little brother doesn't seem to differ ''that'' much in age from Olive, which would mean Olive has known the man she now calls her father from a young age on.[[/note]].
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**** An illusion to the film being set in Ojai, actually.
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**** Yes, they never say that he's older, just tall. If he was, that would have made the HuckleberryFinn reference ''very'' [[UnfortunateImplications unfortunate]].

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**** Yes, they never say that he's older, just tall. If he was, that would have made the HuckleberryFinn Literature/HuckleberryFinn reference ''very'' [[UnfortunateImplications unfortunate]].
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* When Olive's dad says to her, "You must be related to me," she replies, "Only by marriage," which I assumed was implying he's her stepdad. Later on, her mom refers to him as "your father" in a context that strongly implies he's her biological father. But if that's the case, what's the point of confusing viewers with that "only by marriage" joke?

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* When Olive's dad says to her, "You must be related to me," she replies, "Only by marriage," which I assumed was implying he's her stepdad. Later on, her mom refers to him as "your father" in a context that strongly implies he's her biological father. But if that's the case, what's the point of confusing viewers with that "only by marriage" joke?joke?
** They probably didn't think it would be confusing and would be taken as a joke.
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** She was describing everything she felt/ did in the moment, so maybe she thought, in order to be honest, she had to say everything, even if she already knew it was wrong

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** She was describing everything she felt/ did in the moment, so maybe she thought, in order to be honest, she had to say everything, even if she already knew it was wrongwrong
* When Olive's dad says to her, "You must be related to me," she replies, "Only by marriage," which I assumed was implying he's her stepdad. Later on, her mom refers to him as "your father" in a context that strongly implies he's her biological father. But if that's the case, what's the point of confusing viewers with that "only by marriage" joke?
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*** Plus, I felt that it was preferable that Todd just wait until he got Olive's side of the story, rather than one of the stories where the LoveInterest just strides in and magically fixes everything wrong in the heroine's life. The point was that A) Olive started the rumour, Olive decided to lie and it's Olive's story, she has to be the one to take responsibility and fix it. And B) Whenever someone gets involved in Olive's business, it's because they want something from her or are trying to control the situation somehow (Brandon wanted her to lie, then others guys asked for the same thing, Marianne wanted to run Olive out of schoo, etc.) For Todd not to get involved, aside from to ask Olive herself, implies to me that he's not asking because he's going to demand something off Olive or expect a favour, he's doing it because he's her friend.

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*** Plus, I felt that it was preferable that Todd just wait until he got Olive's side of the story, rather than one of the stories where the LoveInterest just strides in and magically fixes everything wrong in the heroine's life. The point was that A) Olive started the rumour, Olive decided to lie and it's Olive's story, she has to be the one to take responsibility and fix it. And B) Whenever someone gets involved in Olive's business, it's because they want something from her or are trying to control the situation somehow (Brandon wanted her to lie, then others guys asked for the same thing, Marianne wanted to run Olive out of schoo, school, etc.) For Todd not to get involved, aside from to ask Olive herself, implies to me that he's not asking because he's going to demand something off Olive or expect a favour, he's doing it because he's her friend.
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** It probably doesn't seem as outright dirty to her as straight taking cash. When the first client after Brandon says he can pay her, she's outraged and threatens to hit him. The thought probably came to her as an homage to Brandon's thoughtful gift of a Target gift card after she helped him out of the goodness of her heart.
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** Ojai is a small town, too. The population is listed as just over 8,000 in the opening credits. That means one high school, and all those kids have known each other since they were in kindergarten. While they didn't pay attention to Olive, they certainly knew who she was. And the fact that the original lie was so out of character for her made it juicy gossip.
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*** She originally only fed it to help Brandon, who's sexuality was getting him bullied constantly and resulting in him being blamed for all his trouble. And even there, she only did so because no one else would. After that, she got annoyed at how people were treating her and talking about her because of it, so she basically decided 'Screw it, you want a tramp, HERE!' Her feeding it was merely her reaction to the rumours. There's also the fact that she, at least to some extent, enjoyed the new-found fame she got as it gave her an identifier, something she didn't have previously. Like Elliot in ''Scrubs'', it may not be the ideal way to be known, but at least she's known. Of course, doing so was childish and the reality of her reputation soon became clear to her, which was why she realized she had to fix it. The film is largely a WayToBreakItHero plot; she 'broke' her reputation by allowing herself to be known as 'the one that ReallyGetsAround', and she had to try and fix it. There's also the fact that, as she says at the end, it shouldn't ''matter'' if she's a virgin or not, or if she's slept with all these people or not, its, frankly, ''nobody else's damn business WHO she sleeps with''.

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*** She originally only fed it to help Brandon, who's sexuality was getting him bullied constantly and resulting in him being blamed for all his trouble. And even there, she only did so because no one else would. After that, she got annoyed at how people were treating her and talking about her because of it, so she basically decided 'Screw it, you want a tramp, HERE!' Her feeding it was merely her reaction to the rumours. There's also the fact that she, at least to some extent, enjoyed the new-found fame she got as it gave her an identifier, something she didn't have previously. Like Elliot in ''Scrubs'', it may not be the ideal way to be known, but at least she's known. Of course, doing so was childish and the reality of her reputation soon became clear to her, which was why she realized she had to fix it. The film is largely a WayToBreakItHero NiceJobBreakingItHero plot; she 'broke' her reputation by allowing herself to be known as 'the one that ReallyGetsAround', and she had to try and fix it. There's also the fact that, as she says at the end, it shouldn't ''matter'' if she's a virgin or not, or if she's slept with all these people or not, its, frankly, ''nobody else's damn business WHO she sleeps with''.
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** Maybe she did it deliberately, because she thought it was funny.

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** Maybe she did it deliberately, because she thought it was funny.funny.
** She was describing everything she felt/ did in the moment, so maybe she thought, in order to be honest, she had to say everything, even if she already knew it was wrong
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**** She was talking about painful urination and bloody discharge while they were eating- its fairly safe to that that's unattractive first date etiquette.

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**** She was talking about painful urination and bloody discharge while they were eating- its fairly safe to that say that's unattractive first date etiquette.
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**** She was talking about painful urination and bloody discharge while they were eating- its fairly safe to that that's unattractive first date etiquette.
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** This troper saw it as a Biblical allusion with a twist (an orange instead of an apple).
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** I took it as Olive's inexperience in relationships. She honestly thought that the marriage breaking up was worse than him not knowing[[hottip:*:probably forgetting that he might get chlamydia if they ever had sex again...yeah]]. It's the sort of thing that doesn't make sense if you think about it, but Olive wasn't thinking anything but "happy in relationship->my doing something->broken relationship", so blamed the step from point A to point B, her action.

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** I took it as Olive's inexperience in relationships. She honestly thought that the marriage breaking up was worse than him not knowing[[hottip:*:probably knowing[[note]]probably forgetting that he might get chlamydia if they ever had sex again...yeah]].yeah[[/note]]. It's the sort of thing that doesn't make sense if you think about it, but Olive wasn't thinking anything but "happy in relationship->my doing something->broken relationship", so blamed the step from point A to point B, her action.
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* Early in the movie, in the podcast framing device, Olive talks about how the book you study in English always ends up being relevant to your life and makes the Huckleberry Finn comment. Since this happens early on, it counts as a BrickJoke / {{Foreshadowing}} when [[spoiler: Brandon runs away with a big black man]]. However, in the film's chronology, Olive filmed the podcast ''after'' she found out about Brandon, which begs the question of why she made the comment in the first place and why she made the "My apologies to Mark Twain" comment after she found out.

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* Early in the movie, in the podcast framing device, Olive talks about how the book you study in English always ends up being relevant to your life and makes the Huckleberry Finn comment. Since this happens early on, it counts as a BrickJoke / {{Foreshadowing}} when [[spoiler: Brandon runs away with a big black man]]. However, in the film's chronology, Olive filmed the podcast ''after'' she found out about Brandon, which begs the question of why she made the comment in the first place and why she made the "My apologies to Mark Twain" comment after she found out.out.
**Maybe she did it deliberately, because she thought it was funny.
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*** Plus, I felt that it was preferable that Todd just wait until he got Olive's side of the story, rather than one of the stories where the LoveInterest just strides in and magically fixes everything wrong in the heroine's life. The point was that A) Olive started the rumour, Olive decided to lie and it's Olive's story, she has to be the one to take responsibility and fix it. And B) Whenever someone gets involved in Olive's business, it's because they want something from her or are trying to control the situation somehow (Brandon wanted her to lie, then others guys asked for the same thing, Marianne wanted to run Olive out of schoo, etc.) For Todd not to get involved, aside from to ask Olive herself, implies to me that he's not asking because he's going to demand something off Olive or expect a favour, he's doing it because he's her friend.


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*** I'm kind of disturbed about the "girls talking about 'inappropriate subjects being "unattractive'" comment. What would be an 'appropriate/attractive' thing for a nervous girl on a date to talk about? Shoes?
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** If this is a reference to Mr. Griffith, he never believed the rumors. Yes, Olive essentially announced to the school that she was going to have sex with Todd during the podcast. But in some ways, Mr. Griffith is Olive's closest friend at the school. He would have some idea whether or not the announcement was other than what it seemed. He may also be wondering about the background to Olive's long, shouted one-liner about how his wife was cheating on him. He may have been even hoping to see Olive in a risque situation, just to see that she has changed and restore his faith in his wife. There are several reasons he might have been watching besides the one that motivated most of the rest of the viewers.

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** If this is a reference to Mr. Griffith, he never believed the rumors. Yes, Olive essentially announced to the school that she was going to have sex with Todd during the podcast. But in some ways, Mr. Griffith is Olive's closest friend at the school. He would have some idea whether or not the announcement was other than what it seemed. He may also be wondering about the background to Olive's long, shouted one-liner about how his wife was cheating on him. He may have been even hoping to see Olive in a risque situation, just to see that she has changed and restore his faith in his wife. There are several reasons he might have been watching besides the one that motivated most of the rest of the viewers.viewers.
*Early in the movie, in the podcast framing device, Olive talks about how the book you study in English always ends up being relevant to your life and makes the Huckleberry Finn comment. Since this happens early on, it counts as a BrickJoke / {{Foreshadowing}} when [[spoiler: Brandon runs away with a big black man]]. However, in the film's chronology, Olive filmed the podcast ''after'' she found out about Brandon, which begs the question of why she made the comment in the first place and why she made the "My apologies to Mark Twain" comment after she found out.
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** Exactly as others put, its not really his business to interfere with her, or he's too busy with his own stuff. I mean, for all the good parts of the film, he's largely a ShallowLoveInterest, who exists for her to desire him. All that's important is he's aware of the rumours, he doesn't particularly believe in them because he knows her, but in spite of those rumous, he's not after sex. He just happens to like her as a person.

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** Exactly as others put, its not really his business to interfere with her, or he's too busy with his own stuff. I mean, for all the good parts of the film, he's largely a ShallowLoveInterest, SatelliteLoveInterest, who exists for her to desire him. All that's important is he's aware of the rumours, he doesn't particularly believe in them because he knows her, but in spite of those rumous, he's not after sex. He just happens to like her as a person.

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