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** That makes no sense at all as an argument here. If it was written right to left, then ''the whole thing'' would be right to left. Reading it backward would not just make the warnings come later, it would render the whole thing an incoherent mess.
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** Another thing to consider. Western books are written to be read left to right, however some other languages are read right to left.
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** All of the above is well and good, but it's probably worth pointing out that the Hippocratic Oath doesn't actually apply to situations like this and doesn't require one to be a pacifist. It's a code of ethics regarding the medical treatment of patients, the "first do no harm" bit is specifically talking about not doing harm to patients under your care. It's probably safe to say that fighting for your life against evil martial artist warlocks doesn't really fall within the realm of traditional medical care.
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** There are consequences. We see with the fate of Kaecilius and his zealots the side-effects of channeling too much Dark Dimension energy or doing it in an unsafe manner or whatever their problem was, and Mordo warns Strange about the potential consequences of misusing time magic. The Ancient One and Dr Strange break the rules because a) their circumstances require it and b) they know enough to break the rules without breaking anything else. Mordo's just too rigid to understand that you can break rules without being a bad person, and possibly the Ancient One erred by poorly explaining the reasons behind the rules.
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** I don't know what happened to it, but I do know that it was a misunderstanding of the etymology of "wizard" - it just means "one who is wise" like how "drunkard" means "one who is drunk" or "dullard" means "one who is dull.
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** Moreover, given that the Time Stone is pretty much ''the'' embodiment and controlling factor for Time itself, how can ''anything'' it does to Time be "unnatural"? If the Stone reversing Time is "unnatural", then the Stone making Time go ''forward'' in the usual fashion can't be any less so: they're both the Stone doing its rightful job, period.
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** Also, while we see the apple on the table being restored, we've no word on the apple in Stephen's stomach. It's possible that, as the apple went back to being uneaten, Stephen went back to being hungry, and vice versa. It's only an apple, so removing it from his system likely wouldn't be noticeable to an outside observer.
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* The Mark is always visible — ''inside the Mirror Dimension'', hence why we never see her face during the movie's opening. As for why is visible on Kaecilius and his followers even in the real world, see the Ancient One's surprise that Kaecilius was able to manipulate mirror magic outside of the Mirror Dimension. His increasing devotion to Dormammu grants him greater mirror–based powers than her, at the cost of making him more and more obviously Dormammu's servant.
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*** Strange is also a physician. He knows damaged or necrotic tissue when he sees it, and ''any'' marked deviation from a body's normal appearance is liable to appear pathological and/or injurious to a doctor.
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*** Strange is also a physician. He knows damaged or necrotic tissue when he sees it, and ''any'' marked deviation from a body's normal appearance is liable to appear pathological and/or injurious to a doctor. The fact that serving Dormammu is physically disfiguring the Zealots would constitute an obvious clinical sign that such service is ''not'' good for a person, reinforcing the notion that Dormammu himself isn't either.
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*** Strange is also a physician. He knows semi-necrotic tissue when he sees it, and ''any'' marked deviation from a body's normal appearance is liable to appear pathological and/or injurious to a doctor.
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*** Strange is also a physician. He knows semi-necrotic damaged or necrotic tissue when he sees it, and ''any'' marked deviation from a body's normal appearance is liable to appear pathological and/or injurious to a doctor.
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** In ''the very next sentence'', Strange points out that following Dormammu has already made Kaecillius a murder. It's not that the eye thing is bad in and of itself, it's a kind of VisualMetaphor for the fact that tapping into Dormammu's power requires you to do horrible things (such as commit murder).
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** In ''the very next sentence'', Strange points out that following Dormammu has already made Kaecillius a murder.murderer. It's not that the eye thing is bad in and of itself, it's a kind of VisualMetaphor for the fact that tapping into Dormammu's power requires you to do horrible things (such as commit murder).
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** Possibly dimensions which are life-sustaining are already using all their benevolent energies to keep their ''own'' resident life forms flourishing. Taking some of that energy away to keep one person on Earth immortal would rob such native organisms of the energy they require to survive at all.
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** Presumably this is the fictional version of Eminem that [[NotMakingThisUpDisclaimer once teamed up with the Punisher]]
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* I'm pretty certain that I read something on one of these pages[[note]]Side question: what's the correct term for a group of the pages (Main, Fridge, YMMV, etc.) that are all about a specific works?[[/note]] that explained why Strange took issue with Thor calling him "wizard" that had to do with the origins of the word. Was it deleted for whatever reason, am I looking in the wrong place, or what?
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* I'm pretty certain that I read something on one of these pages[[note]]Side question: what's the correct term for a group of the pages (Main, Fridge, YMMV, etc.) that are all about a specific works?[[/note]] that explained why Strange took issue with Thor calling him "wizard" that had to do with the origins of the word. Was it deleted for whatever reason, am I looking in the wrong place, or what?
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** In Celtic mythology there's absolutely spells/rituals to talk with a severed head. Kamar-Taj may be in Nepal, but since its sorcerers come from all over they could easily have brought their own mystic lore with them.
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** In Celtic Celtic/Norse mythology there's absolutely spells/rituals spells to talk with a severed head.head (the most prominent example being Odin's reanimation of Mimir's decapitated head done in order to preserve his knowledge). Kamar-Taj may be in Nepal, but since its sorcerers come from all over they could easily have brought their own mystic lore with them.
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** See that as the mystical equivalent of a telephone bill required for whoever that wants to contact Dormammu. The actual sacrifice (the brand into the forehead and the transformation of the eyes) comes later, but the act of even calling out to a transdimensional demon to look in your direction isn't free. Alternatively, it can also be that Kaecilius already established contact with Dormammu and the later demanded a show of commitment before he bestows them with power.
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* Mordo's main beef is that what he was taught (magic is sacred and there are things you don't do) is groundless and that the reality is sorcerers do as they please when the need arises, consequences be damned. However he was taught that by the Ancient One, who has flagrantly violated her own decree to live forever. If that's the case, then what even are the consequences? Who set them and are they even real? If your whole belief system is fractured from the top then why even bother practicing magic under any ruleset and trying to "take it back to its roots", as Mordo was doing in TheStinger, has no real meaning.
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* Mordo's main beef is that what he was taught (magic is sacred and there are things you don't do) is groundless and that the reality is sorcerers do as they please when the need arises, consequences be damned. However he was taught that by the Ancient One, who has flagrantly violated her own decree to live forever. If that's the case, then what even are the consequences? Who set them and are they even real? If your whole belief system is fractured from the top then why even bother practicing magic under any ruleset and trying to "take it back to its roots", as Mordo was doing in TheStinger, has no real meaning.
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** To me this seemed like sending a message. Basically an omen that Kaecilius has the pages necessary to broker the coming of Dormammu and you are only seeing the beginning of what awaits those who do not abide.
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** From Dormammu's perspective, becoming assimilated into him probably seems like it ''is'' paradise, especially when compared to being a fragile, ephemeral, isolated little fly-speck of consciousness like a human being.
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** The Vishanti are explicitly mentioned, so benevolent deities do exist and the Sorcerer Supreme is aware of them. Evidently they don't offer eternal life.
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** Maybe this troper completely misunderstood this aspect, but I'm pretty sure that if Dormammu moved on past Strange time would just loop again and he'd be no better off. Dormammu's only option was to kill Strange, who just wouldn't die. This is best in Strange's line.
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** Maybe this troper completely misunderstood this aspect, but I'm pretty sure that if If Dormammu moved on past Strange time would just loop again and he'd be no better off. Dormammu's only option was to kill Strange, who just wouldn't die. This is best in Strange's line.
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** Maybe this troper completely misunderstood this aspect, but I'm pretty sure that if Dormammu moved on past Strange time would just loop again and he'd be no better off. Dormammu's only option was to kill Strange, who just wouldn't die. This is best in Strange's line.
--> "I can lose again... and again... and again... That makes you my prisoner."
--> "I can lose again... and again... and again... That makes you my prisoner."
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* I get that Strange was arrogant, but wouldn't his nurses have a problem with him bopping his head and showing off even if he is the world's greatest surgeon? If I found out a doctor was playing "Danse Macabre" while performing surgery on me, I would be kinda upset. You think some of them would call him out on this behavior.
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* I get that Strange was arrogant, but wouldn't his nurses have a problem with him bopping his head and showing off even if he is the world's greatest surgeon? If I found out a doctor was playing "Danse Macabre" while performing surgery on me, I would be kinda upset. You think some of them would call him out on this behavior.
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** Because Strange can just trap him in time again. That's the whole point of the entire climax.
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** [[https://www.huffpost.com/entry/music-surgery_n_6310842 Between 2/3 and 3/4 of surgeons play music during surgery]]. It helps them cooperate with one another and reduces anxiety.
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* I get that Strange was arrogant, but wouldn't his nurses have a problem with him bopping his head and showing off even if he is the world's greatest surgeon? If I found out the surgeon was playing classical music while performing surgery on my mom, I would be kinda upset. You think some of them would call him out on this behavior.
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* I get that Strange was arrogant, but wouldn't his nurses have a problem with him bopping his head and showing off even if he is the world's greatest surgeon? If I found out the surgeon was playing classical music "Danse Macabre" while performing surgery on my mom, me, I would be kinda upset. You think some of them would call him out on this behavior.
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* I get that Strange was arrogant, but wouldn't his nurses have a problem with him bopping his head and showing off even if he is the world's greatest surgeon? If I found out the surgeon was playing classical music while performing surgery on my mom, I would be kinda upset. You think some of them would call him out on this behavior.
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** It was my impression that drawing power from it stopped the Ancient One from aging specifically because it was the Dark Dimension she was using, i.e. it was possible to make her body to a degree "timeless" just like the Dark Dimension is and using any dimension that has time in it would not have given her that ability. Ergo, presumably there are no "safer" timeless dimensions that one can draw such a power from, or at least none she knows of. It wasn't simply to make herself stronger that she used the Dark Dimension, it was to make herself live longer so she could protect Earth longer.
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** The stone is not the Eye. The stone is ''contained in'' the Eye.
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** It's possible that Agamotto found the Stone and built its current metal container.
** It's possible that Agamotto found the Stone and built its current metal container.
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** Apparently there wasn't such a universe. Or she's unaware of one.
