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*** I honestly thought the outburst from Monokuma mentioned above was simply him fucking with everyone by pretending to be Nekomaru.

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** Just because AI Junko was made before the killing game, doesn't mean she wouldn't have Junko's memories of Makoto during the two years that preceded it. (And Monokuma was talking about Nagito)**

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** Just because AI Junko was made before the killing game, doesn't mean she wouldn't have Junko's memories of Makoto during the two years that preceded it. (And Monokuma was talking about Nagito)**Nagito)
** Junko's the ultimate analyst, but she doesn't have a photographic memory. That password was a minor plot point from the very first trial, years ago. To Makoto it's of deep emotional importance, but Junko might have complete forgotten it.
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** Maybe he was impersonating Byakuya before entering Hope's Peak? He expresses considerable respect for him during his free time events, so he at least knows _of_ Byakuya. He likely switched to Ryota Mitarai after entering Hope's Peak because it would be impossible to impersonate a guy who you have a good chance of being in the same physical location as, and then switched back as an ultimate despair.

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** Maybe he was impersonating Byakuya before entering Hope's Peak? He expresses considerable respect for him during his free time events, so he at least knows _of_ ''of'' Byakuya. He likely switched to Ryota Mitarai after entering Hope's Peak because it would be impossible to impersonate a guy who you have a good chance of being in the same physical location as, and then switched back as an ultimate despair.
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* Why did the Ultimate Impostor not realize something was off? They were disguised as Byakuya because of their role in the Tragedy, but if their last memory was of before Hope's Peak, when they would have had 0 reasons for being Byakuya, then it should have been a red flag.

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* Why did the Ultimate Impostor not realize something was off? They were disguised as Byakuya because of their role in the Tragedy, but if their last memory was of before Hope's Peak, when they would have had 0 reasons for being Byakuya, then it should have been a red flag.flag.
** Maybe he was impersonating Byakuya before entering Hope's Peak? He expresses considerable respect for him during his free time events, so he at least knows _of_ Byakuya. He likely switched to Ryota Mitarai after entering Hope's Peak because it would be impossible to impersonate a guy who you have a good chance of being in the same physical location as, and then switched back as an ultimate despair.
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** Maybe they're both just copies of Alter Ego's core programming? We know it can mimic other people, given it did so for Mondo, and they were fortunate that the student they were replacing had excuses for being a bit weird and robotic.
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** Mikan had access to a hospital. She's got a whole assortment of stain and rust proof cutting tools, and a sterilizer, laundry room, and likely an incinerator as well. Ironically she did a pretty poor job cleaning up evidence, but the actual murder weapon would have been trivially easy to dispose of.
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** There's also the fact that this prize was given at Monokuma's discretion. The register would have meant very little to Gundam, but it totally sent Nagito off the deep end. Finding a way to give Nagito that information without it seeming like a blatant attempt at manipulation played to his goals.
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** It could be that for some reason, whenever a person dies their memory is reloaded back to their bodies immediately. It might have been a failsafe put into the original program (where it wasn't expected that anyone would die, but there could conceivably have been a bug that deleted an avatar prematurely or something), or it might have been an alteration by Junko so that her plan could work in the first place.
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* So Island Mode is what happens had AI Junko's virus been deleted by the system and Naegi's plan goes down without a hitch. So far so good, everyone is working on getting along and resocialising. As we all know, our main character can get involved in a number of romantic scenarios. One of which involves Chiaki Nanami, one half of the AI overseers. Now the prize question is: what exactly made the guy responsible for Nanami's ability to respond positively to romantic affection think that's a good idea? I mean, the idea is challenging enough. "Hey, guys, you were the Absolute Despair and the majority of the planet wants you dead," is a tough sell as it is. If you add on "Furthermore, that girl you fell in love with is an AI, the real one died years ago to help brainwash you into despair," it can become outright despair-inducing.

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* So Island Mode is what happens had AI Junko's virus been deleted by the system and Naegi's plan goes down without a hitch. So far so good, everyone is working on getting along and resocialising. As we all know, our main character can get involved in a number of romantic scenarios. One of which involves Chiaki Nanami, one half of the AI overseers. Now the prize question is: what exactly made the guy responsible for Nanami's ability to respond positively to romantic affection think that's a good idea? I mean, the idea is challenging enough. "Hey, guys, you were the Absolute Despair and the majority of the planet wants you dead," is a tough sell as it is. If you add on "Furthermore, that girl you fell in love with is an AI, the real one died years ago to help brainwash you into despair," it can become outright despair-inducing.despair-inducing.
* Why did the Ultimate Impostor not realize something was off? They were disguised as Byakuya because of their role in the Tragedy, but if their last memory was of before Hope's Peak, when they would have had 0 reasons for being Byakuya, then it should have been a red flag.
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*** The original Japanese name for Jack/Jill is Genocider Shou, a gender-neutral name. Moreover, Japanese is known to avoid pronouns whenever possible, so her actual gender is easily obscured in casual conversation. IIRC, at least the Japanese DR1's reveal of Shou was centered around her being specifically Toko, as opposed to a girl (since the Jack/Jill issue doesn't exist). When translating to English, which does have liberal usage of pronouns, it's reasonable to assume the guys just missed that Shou's gender was supposed to be unknown to the public, and used "she" as they themselves knew Shou was a her. The part of Sonia knowing Shou was specifically a sailor fuku-clad girl does come from left field, though, since the only possible time they could have learned that is between Ultra Despair Girls and just before DR2.

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*** The original Japanese name for Jack/Jill is Genocider Shou, a gender-neutral name. Moreover, Japanese is known to avoid pronouns whenever possible, so her actual gender is easily obscured in casual conversation. IIRC, at least the Japanese DR1's reveal of Shou was centered around her being specifically Toko, as opposed to a girl (since the Jack/Jill issue doesn't exist). When translating to English, which does have liberal usage of pronouns, it's reasonable to assume the guys just missed that Shou's gender was supposed to be unknown to the public, and used "she" as they themselves knew Shou was a her. The part of Sonia knowing Shou was specifically a sailor fuku-clad girl does come from left field, though, since the only possible time they could have learned that is between Ultra Despair Girls and just before DR2.DR2.
* So Island Mode is what happens had AI Junko's virus been deleted by the system and Naegi's plan goes down without a hitch. So far so good, everyone is working on getting along and resocialising. As we all know, our main character can get involved in a number of romantic scenarios. One of which involves Chiaki Nanami, one half of the AI overseers. Now the prize question is: what exactly made the guy responsible for Nanami's ability to respond positively to romantic affection think that's a good idea? I mean, the idea is challenging enough. "Hey, guys, you were the Absolute Despair and the majority of the planet wants you dead," is a tough sell as it is. If you add on "Furthermore, that girl you fell in love with is an AI, the real one died years ago to help brainwash you into despair," it can become outright despair-inducing.
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** Keep in mind that he's the Ultimate ''Imposter'', not the Ultimate ''Impersonator''. This is an important distinction as his talent isn't to come up with convincing disguises but to make people believe he is someone else. He relies on people not knowing the real person and therefore only needs to be disguised well enough to fit some of the features the general public might be aware of (in this case: glasses, mid-long blonde hair, expensive suits, resting bitch face), and it's not like Byakuya seems particularly famous anyway. Either way, most of the work comes from acting with enough gusto that people don't see any reason to disbelieve you. If you look at famous stories involving impostors, they often have only a passing resemblance with the person they claimed to be, if that. But because they announced their identity with confidence and acted like they belonged where they were, nobody questioned it. Hell, in many cases, they didn't even impersonate anybody, they just spoke and acted boldly enough that people thought they'd be the weird ones for questioning what they were doing.
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*** This is supported in Danganronpa 3. When speaking with Kamakura, Enoshima tells him she views life as completely predictable and boring, and that the only thing that has been able to provide her with any sort of "excitement" is despair, since it makes people unpredictable. If what she says is completely accurate, there would only be two murders where she didn't have full control: Tsumiki's double murder due to her Despair Fever making her revert to Ultimate Despair, and Komaeda's murder/suicide due to him relying 100% on luck.
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** My own theory is this is simply a translation error--maybe the original Japanese used a gender-neutral pronoun but the English translators decided to translate it as "she" without thinking about the internal logic of the situation? Tho that wouldn't explain how they know about the uniform.

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** My own theory is this is simply a translation error--maybe the original Japanese used a gender-neutral pronoun but the English translators decided to translate it as "she" without thinking about the internal logic of the situation? Tho that wouldn't explain how they know about the uniform.uniform.
*** The original Japanese name for Jack/Jill is Genocider Shou, a gender-neutral name. Moreover, Japanese is known to avoid pronouns whenever possible, so her actual gender is easily obscured in casual conversation. IIRC, at least the Japanese DR1's reveal of Shou was centered around her being specifically Toko, as opposed to a girl (since the Jack/Jill issue doesn't exist). When translating to English, which does have liberal usage of pronouns, it's reasonable to assume the guys just missed that Shou's gender was supposed to be unknown to the public, and used "she" as they themselves knew Shou was a her. The part of Sonia knowing Shou was specifically a sailor fuku-clad girl does come from left field, though, since the only possible time they could have learned that is between Ultra Despair Girls and just before DR2.
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** And to clear the sand from the beach, nobody likes sand in their shoes when walking.

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** or Monomi told him.



** Sonia is a serial killer enthusiast. She might have stumbled across some clue or bit of trivia that the first cast (save possibly Byakuya) didn't know, which led to her realizing Jack is female. Hajime I'm more stumped on, but Sonia says Genocide Jack has a reputation on the Internet...maybe he read an InUniverse [=WMG=] about her being female?

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** Sonia is a serial killer enthusiast. She might have stumbled across some clue or bit of trivia that the first cast (save possibly Byakuya) didn't know, which led to her realizing Jack is female. Hajime I'm more stumped on, but Sonia says Genocide Jack has a reputation on the Internet...maybe he read an InUniverse [=WMG=] about her being female?female?
** My own theory is this is simply a translation error--maybe the original Japanese used a gender-neutral pronoun but the English translators decided to translate it as "she" without thinking about the internal logic of the situation? Tho that wouldn't explain how they know about the uniform.
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* In the library when Sonia talks about serial killers, Hajime and Sonia seemed to know beforehand from their pre-Hope Peak Academy memories that Genocide Jack is female, and Sonia even knows that Genocide Jack is specifically a middle or high school girl wearing a sailor uniform. How do they know this? Everyone (Aside from possibly Byakuya) in Trigger Happy Havoc were under the impression that Jack was male. It'd be possible for the future foundation to implant memories about Genocide Jack being someone resembling Toko, but that wouldn't serve any purpose whatsoever.

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* In the library when Sonia talks about serial killers, Hajime and Sonia seemed to know beforehand from their pre-Hope Peak Academy memories that Genocide Jack is female, and Sonia even knows that Genocide Jack is specifically a middle or high school girl wearing a sailor uniform. How do they know this? Everyone (Aside from possibly Byakuya) in Trigger Happy Havoc were under the impression that Jack was male. It'd be possible for the future foundation to implant memories about Genocide Jack being someone resembling Toko, but that wouldn't serve any purpose whatsoever.whatsoever.
** Sonia is a serial killer enthusiast. She might have stumbled across some clue or bit of trivia that the first cast (save possibly Byakuya) didn't know, which led to her realizing Jack is female. Hajime I'm more stumped on, but Sonia says Genocide Jack has a reputation on the Internet...maybe he read an InUniverse [=WMG=] about her being female?

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** While Nagito may have made out to Teruteru that he was going to commit murder, it is apparent from his gloom at Imposter dying, his longing for death and to be a stepping stone for others, as well as the blasé manner he reveals the entire set-up to Teruteru, that Nagito actually intended to be the first victim. To what extent Teruteru became the first murderer due to luck or Nagito's considerable intelligence (as Teruteru had shown himself to be one of the easiest to rattle and Nagito must have expected him to be hanging around if the party took place) is unclear, but Nagito must have suspected something was going to happen by how Teruteru continued to pretend everything was normal in front of the other students. On top of that, though Nagito would have wanted in this scenario to be proved as the murderer, he still wants to provide a challenge. There would have been no way for Nagito to find someone in the dark and violently stab them to death without getting any blood on himself or his clothes, thus ending the trial within minutes.

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** While Nagito may have made out to Teruteru that he was going to commit murder, it is apparent from his gloom at Imposter dying, his longing for death and to be a stepping stone for others, as well as the blasé manner he reveals the entire set-up to Teruteru, that Nagito actually intended to be the first victim. To what extent Teruteru became the first murderer due to luck or Nagito's considerable intelligence (as Teruteru had shown himself to be one of the easiest to rattle and Nagito must have expected him to be hanging around if the party took place) is unclear, but Nagito must have suspected something was going to happen by how Teruteru continued to pretend everything was normal in front of the other students. On top of that, though Nagito would have wanted in this scenario to be proved as the murderer, he still wants to provide a challenge. There would have been no way for Nagito to find someone in the dark and violently stab them to death without getting any blood on himself or his clothes, thus ending the trial within minutes.minutes.
*In the library when Sonia talks about serial killers, Hajime and Sonia seemed to know beforehand from their pre-Hope Peak Academy memories that Genocide Jack is female, and Sonia even knows that Genocide Jack is specifically a middle or high school girl wearing a sailor uniform. How do they know this? Everyone (Aside from possibly Byakuya) in Trigger Happy Havoc were under the impression that Jack was male. It'd be possible for the future foundation to implant memories about Genocide Jack being someone resembling Toko, but that wouldn't serve any purpose whatsoever.
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*** I didn't realize it before I read this, but what if the they are based on Alter Ego, and the game he was 'stuck on' was in fact the killing school life?
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** There's also the meta-reason that Nagito is needed to advance the plot later on.
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*** That it's a simulation, and not actual keys is probably enough to explain why they would all be the same.
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*** It's also mentioned that the rule against littering is to protect nature, so I guess littering is fine inside, Owari would have built up quite a few citations should the rule have been enforced inside, as can be seen from the state of her room.
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** It didn't matter. All he wanted was to be a "stepping stone so that hope could shine even brighter". Anyone would have done.

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** It didn't matter. All While Nagito may have made out to Teruteru that he wanted was going to commit murder, it is apparent from his gloom at Imposter dying, his longing for death and to be a "stepping stepping stone so for others, as well as the blasé manner he reveals the entire set-up to Teruteru, that hope could shine even brighter". Anyone Nagito actually intended to be the first victim. To what extent Teruteru became the first murderer due to luck or Nagito's considerable intelligence (as Teruteru had shown himself to be one of the easiest to rattle and Nagito must have expected him to be hanging around if the party took place) is unclear, but Nagito must have suspected something was going to happen by how Teruteru continued to pretend everything was normal in front of the other students. On top of that, though Nagito would have done.wanted in this scenario to be proved as the murderer, he still wants to provide a challenge. There would have been no way for Nagito to find someone in the dark and violently stab them to death without getting any blood on himself or his clothes, thus ending the trial within minutes.
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** Also, it's pretty obvious that losing his memories did make Byakuya more of a douchebag. They were all friends at Hope's Peak, enough so that Genocide Jack could sit in class and nobody cared, and he would actually spend time having fun with his friends. We also see at the end and especially in Danganronpa 3 that Byakuya does develop trust and respect for Makoto and Kyoko, and even acts more like the imposter as a leader in Future Foundation. So it's quite likely that the real Byakuya, when he has actually bonded with people, is closer to the imposter.
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* During Chapter 1, even if Nagito had been able to retrieve the knife taped to the underside of that table without either Twogami/Ultimate Impostor or Teruteru interfering, who was his planned victim? Even with a weapon, he was still in a pitch-black room due to the blackout.

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* During Chapter 1, even if Nagito had been able to retrieve the knife taped to the underside of that table without either Twogami/Ultimate Impostor or Teruteru interfering, who was his planned victim? Even with a weapon, he was still in a pitch-black room due to the blackout.blackout.
** It didn't matter. All he wanted was to be a "stepping stone so that hope could shine even brighter". Anyone would have done.
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** Either Monokuma or Mahiru told him.

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** Either Monokuma or Mahiru told him.him.
* During Chapter 1, even if Nagito had been able to retrieve the knife taped to the underside of that table without either Twogami/Ultimate Impostor or Teruteru interfering, who was his planned victim? Even with a weapon, he was still in a pitch-black room due to the blackout.
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**** Robots might not be able to die of starvation, but Nekomaru mentions that he's similarly getting weaker because he left his charger in his cottage and is (paraphrased) "in a similar position".
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** Didn't Monokuma say that Hajime reminded him of "him" (presumable meaning Makoto) at one point? That doesn't sound like something someone who never met Makoto firsthand would say.

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** Didn't Monokuma say that Hajime reminded him of "him" (presumable (presumably meaning Makoto) at one point? That doesn't sound like something someone who never met Makoto firsthand would say.
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* In Chapter 2, when Hajime brings food to Nagito, he mentions Twilight Syndrome Murder Case, and implies that he goaded Mahiru into playing it. But how did Nagito learn of that game's existence in the first place? It seems quite doubtful that any of the students told him, and he had no way of checking for himself due to being tied up.

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* In Chapter 2, when Hajime brings food to Nagito, he mentions Twilight Syndrome Murder Case, and implies that he goaded Mahiru into playing it. But how did Nagito learn of that game's existence in the first place? It seems quite doubtful that any of the students told him, and he had no way of checking for himself due to being tied up.up.
** Either Monokuma or Mahiru told him.
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** People could use the shower after having swum in the sea. Or to shower before going to swim in the sea. Not naked, but simply with their swimsuits/trunks on.

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** People could use the shower after having swum in the sea. Or to shower before going to swim in the sea. Not naked, but simply with their swimsuits/trunks on.on.
* In Chapter 2, when Hajime brings food to Nagito, he mentions Twilight Syndrome Murder Case, and implies that he goaded Mahiru into playing it. But how did Nagito learn of that game's existence in the first place? It seems quite doubtful that any of the students told him, and he had no way of checking for himself due to being tied up.
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** Also, because Monokuma finds it more interesting. He'll do whatever is more interesting and will cause more despair so long as he doesn't directly break the rules.

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