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* What was the point of the character Holly if she was only in for two episodes before dying? It seems like they should have at least kept her on for the whole season so we would be more sad when she dies.
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*In season 1 episode "Blood Drops", there seems to be an unexplained MoodWhiplash at the end - the case is easily the most gruesome one so far (a quadruple murder fueled by a father raping his daughter and ''then'' raping the ChildByRape?) yet there seems to be even less emotional reaction than the cases before, which is especially strange given that a few episodes ago Grissom established sexual abuse of children is one of the few things that [[BerserkButton really sets him off]].
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** Also, keep in mind - that the show has to kinda keep some semblance of drama about it - and every case can't be incredibly complex. So sometimes that key piece of evidence that would often be among the first they get, doesn't get found until the last moment - even though there's no real reason. And sometimes they avoid asking the obvious questions, until the evidence reaches out and slaps them over the head. A particularly egregious example of the latter was in "Living Legend" the entire CSI department was on an episode-long idiot ball, just so they could set up the final scenes
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** Presumably because the virtual version wasn't accurate enough for the databases to match it to the real version.
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** Alone, neither of those deaths would've seemed particularly unusual. It's the fact that two accidental deaths happened ''at the same time'' to people who lived together that made it seem like foul play.
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*** Reasonable course of action to take first, yes. ''Only'' course of action to even consider ''speculating'' about, until they've completely run out of adult suspects? Not so much; these people are supposed to be examining ''every'' hypothesis that's consistent with evidence, not just the ones that'll make for (yet another) ShockingSwerve of it turning out to be the kid.
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** Chill, that is one of the most hated episodes to begin with, even by people who do not care or like that fetish. It was just a bad presentation of a fetish.
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** Fun fact: The Tangiers was originally the name given to the casino run by the main protagonist in the Scorsese film ''{{Casino}}'' (and owned by the Mob). The film was a major influence on the creators of ''{{Series/CSI}}'' and hence the use of the same name is a definite {{Shout Out}}. Of course, setting episodes at the Tangiers also gives an excuse for Catherine to interact with Sam Braun, her relationship with him being something of an ongoing sub-plot.
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** Fun fact: The Tangiers was originally the name given to the casino run by the main protagonist in the Scorsese film ''{{Casino}}'' ''Film/{{Casino}}'' (and owned by the Mob). The film was a major influence on the creators of ''{{Series/CSI}}'' and hence the use of the same name is a definite {{Shout Out}}. Of course, setting episodes at the Tangiers also gives an excuse for Catherine to interact with Sam Braun, her relationship with him being something of an ongoing sub-plot.
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**** Having rewatched the episode, the "green tea" is completely related to the the rug which has the large letter T in green (lord knows why besides the fact that it shares the same pronunciation as the drink). Thus, this fully supports the psyhic being legitimate. Everything he called out was information that the public didn't know and he would have had no way of knowing without being a member of the investigation (which he wasn't); furthermore he fully predicts *future* events, not just ones that already happened. The episode never explains this or even his fate but we are left to assume he's dead.
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* Honestly, I'm a bit surprised nobody's mentioned this yet. Fur And Loathing is the only episode of any of the shows I've seen. I kind of liked it, but [[FurryFandom I'm sure some of you can guess why I'm writing this.]] I can't really even think how to start. Firstly, no, those suits trap enough heat already without being made of latex, let alone in NEVADA! Secondly, yes, a good majority of us demonstrate *some* interest in the sexual aspects, but 95/100 times costumes aren't involved, 99/100 times that's not the full extent of it, and it's definitely NOT the focal point of conventions. Third, I'm by no means a prude, and I'm kind of in that previously mentioned 5/100, but my god, why is this so squick-filled? If you're abusing a fetish to the point it disgusts people WITH THAT FETISH, there's a problem.
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* Honestly, I'm a bit surprised nobody's mentioned this yet. Fur And Loathing is the only episode of any of the shows I've seen. I kind of liked it, but [[FurryFandom [[UsefulNotes/FurryFandom I'm sure some of you can guess why I'm writing this.]] I can't really even think how to start. Firstly, no, those suits trap enough heat already without being made of latex, let alone in NEVADA! Secondly, yes, a good majority of us demonstrate *some* interest in the sexual aspects, but 95/100 times costumes aren't involved, 99/100 times that's not the full extent of it, and it's definitely NOT the focal point of conventions. Third, I'm by no means a prude, and I'm kind of in that previously mentioned 5/100, but my god, why is this so squick-filled? If you're abusing a fetish to the point it disgusts people WITH THAT FETISH, there's a problem.
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* Did Kelly from Grave Danger really commit the crime she was in jail for or was she innocent like she said? For some reason have always wondered this.
* In "Kitty", they say that they've went through all of the databases and couldn't find anyone who looked like Kitty. But we later find out that Kitty is actually a virtual version of a real person, so why did the computer not recognize her then?
* In "Kitty", they say that they've went through all of the databases and couldn't find anyone who looked like Kitty. But we later find out that Kitty is actually a virtual version of a real person, so why did the computer not recognize her then?
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***Uh,yes she was. When Grissom goes to see Natalie at the prison/detention center(for her hearing) he finds her doing laundry(including working with Bleach) and she specifically states that this is a therapy to help her with her fear. I'm pretty sure she didn't fear laundry so it must have been the bleach. Additionally why would the presence of Bleach set her off if she didn't have a negative asociation with it? Unfortunately the show never seemed to explain exactly WHY the Bleach set her off in the first place.
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** It was made pretty clear that she suffered from untreated, but ambiguously portrayed, schizophrenia (they show her medicated when she returns and she's a lot more functional) killing her sister was (probably) an accident, and her later murders were set off by the association with bleach (which her father used to clear up her sister's blood), she wasn't ''scared'' of it.
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*So did we ever find out why the miniture killer was scared of bleach? Or why she killed her sister and those other people?
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**** Yes, one was delivered about a month beforehand. (Of course, Grissom was away and so the package didn't get opened until a day or two before it actually happened.)
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**** ''Law & Order'' doesn't do this, but it ''does'' often have high-ranking members of the District Attorney's office doing police-style investigations, which is nearly as unrealistic.
***** Yeah, but L&O also generally lampshades that the first few times an ADA does it, with quite a lot of people including the main detectives asking 'Why are you here?' and generally wanting said ADA to go away. Unrealistic, yes, but possible if you've got an ADA who has free time and no life like the ones on the show.
***** Yeah, but L&O also generally lampshades that the first few times an ADA does it, with quite a lot of people including the main detectives asking 'Why are you here?' and generally wanting said ADA to go away. Unrealistic, yes, but possible if you've got an ADA who has free time and no life like the ones on the show.
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**** Actually, that varies from city to city; here in Toronto, where this troper lives, the Scene of Crime Unit is composed almost ''entirely'' of officers trained in evidence recovery.
*** I think that Mac from CSI:NY and Horatio from CSI:Miami can arrest someone. It looks like both the Miami and New York divisions have cop powers along with their CSI powers. But as for the Vegas division, they have to leave it all to Brass pretty much.
** A little reality check here: the alternative to forensic experts doing most of the things on the show is Main/LoadsAndLoadsOfCharacters. Do we want that? The authors of the format likely said ''no''. This Troper concurs.
*** I think that Mac from CSI:NY and Horatio from CSI:Miami can arrest someone. It looks like both the Miami and New York divisions have cop powers along with their CSI powers. But as for the Vegas division, they have to leave it all to Brass pretty much.
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***** This troper recalls a scene from an early season, maybe 1 0r 2, where Grissom tells an officer not to turn on the lights because he "wants to see everything the way the murderer saw it".
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*** There is a scene from an early season, maybe 1 0r 2, where Grissom tells an officer not to turn on the lights because he "wants to see everything the way the murderer saw it".
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*** Doesn't matter. Nevada is a 'shall issue' state with open carry laws. You can have a gun on your hip in plain sight and wander down the street in full view, going from bank to bank. This troper is more infuriated by the question, "You got a registration for this gun?" habitually asked by the Detective (whatever his name is). I'm waiting for the reply, "No, because THERE IS NO SUCH THING AS A GUN REGISTRATION, ASSHAT!" A license to carry a concealed firearm does not register or license the firearm itself. My CPL allows me to carry anything in my personal arsenal-- or all at once if I choose. I do not have to register each of my guns. (And beware the government that WANTS you to do so.)
** This Troper was talking about scenes where the concealed gun became visible, e.g. a shoulder holster came into view because the [=CSIs=] could look under someones jacket.
** Also, just because something is ''legal'' doesn't mean they have to ''like it.'' (Hell, that's This Troper's entire attitude toward guns)
** This Troper was talking about scenes where the concealed gun became visible, e.g. a shoulder holster came into view because the [=CSIs=] could look under someones jacket.
** Also, just because something is ''legal'' doesn't mean they have to ''like it.'' (Hell, that's This Troper's entire attitude toward guns)
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*** Doesn't matter. Nevada is a 'shall issue' state with open carry laws. You can have a gun on your hip in plain sight and wander down the street in full view, going from bank to bank. This troper More infuriating is more infuriated by the question, "You got a registration for this gun?" habitually asked by the Detective (whatever his name is). I'm waiting for the reply, "No, because THERE IS NO SUCH THING AS A GUN REGISTRATION, ASSHAT!" A license to carry a concealed firearm does not register or license the firearm itself. My CPL allows me to carry anything in my personal arsenal-- or all at once if I choose. I do not have to register each of my guns. (And beware the government that WANTS you to do so.)
** This Troper was talking about scenes where the concealed gun became visible, e.g. a shoulder holster came into view because the [=CSIs=] could look under someones jacket.
** Also, just because something is ''legal'' doesn't mean they have to ''like it.'' (Hell, that's This Troper's entire attitude toward guns)''
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** In Las Vegas, firearms ''do'' have to be registered with [=LVMPD=] (which takes about 5 minutes) and you get issued a "blue card" which is your proof of registration. To carry concealed you need to pass a separate concealed carry license (that involved an actual range test) and covers either semi-autos or revolvers (whichever you used in your range test or you can take both at once). ThisTroper has been living in Vegas for 8 years now and it's still pretty rare to see someone casually carrying, even concealed.
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** In Las Vegas, firearms ''do'' have to be registered with [=LVMPD=] (which takes about 5 minutes) and you get issued a "blue card" which is your proof of registration. To carry concealed you need to pass a separate concealed carry license (that involved an actual range test) and covers either semi-autos or revolvers (whichever you used in your range test or you can take both at once). ThisTroper has been living in Vegas for 8 years now and it's still pretty rare to see someone casually carrying, even concealed.
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**** Statistically, women are generally weaker than men. Sorry that real life upsets you so much, but that's your fault.
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** In Las Vegas, firearms ''do'' have to be registered with [=LVMPD=] (which takes about 5 minutes) and you get issued a "blue card" which is your proof of registration. To carry concealed you need to pass a separate concealed carry license (that involved an actual range test) and covers either semi-autos or revolvers (whichever you used in your range test or you can take both at once). ThisTroper has been living in Vegas for 8 years now and it's still pretty rare to see someone casually carrying, even concealed.
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*** Well, in real-life Vegas, they're [=CSAs=] (Crime Scene Analysts) and the division of [=LVMPD=] (not LVPD as on the show) is called Crime Scene Investigations. And they do have the option to take and pass a qualifier to carry a firearm.
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* Call me a pedant, but in the season 1 episode Friends and lovers, the friend of a victim says he has a spider bite, and when it's looked at Grissom remarks "That's no insect bite". Surely any forensic scientist (or 10 year old)knows a spider isn't an insect.
* Call me a pedant, but in the season 1 episode Friends and lovers, the friend of a victim says he has a spider bite, and when it's looked at Grissom remarks "That's no insect bite". Surely any forensic scientist (or 10 year old)knows a spider isn't an insect.
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** Fun fact: The Tangiers was originally the name given to the casino run by the main protagonist in the Scorsese film ''{{Casino}}'' (and owned by the Mob). The film was a major influence on the creators of ''{{CSI}}'' and hence the use of the same name is a definite {{Shout Out}}. Of course, setting episodes at the Tangiers also gives an excuse for Catherine to interact with Sam Braun, her relationship with him being something of an ongoing sub-plot.
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** Fun fact: The Tangiers was originally the name given to the casino run by the main protagonist in the Scorsese film ''{{Casino}}'' (and owned by the Mob). The film was a major influence on the creators of ''{{CSI}}'' ''{{Series/CSI}}'' and hence the use of the same name is a definite {{Shout Out}}. Of course, setting episodes at the Tangiers also gives an excuse for Catherine to interact with Sam Braun, her relationship with him being something of an ongoing sub-plot.
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**Those fingerprints left at Paul's crimescenes where from a ceramic hand that used Paul Millander sr's(Paul/Pauline's father)hand as the mold so that's likely where the unknown male dna came from. As for the Csi's not realizing that Paul had a double life,when Grissom first tries to get judge Mason arrested Mason mentions that police had come to his door before in reguards to the Paul Millander case and he convinced them that he was NOT Millander but a look a like.
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*** Yeah, depends on the location. In some cities they use [=CSIs=] which are scientists who process a crime scene. Some cities use [=CSUs=] (Crime Scene Units) these are police or detectives that are trained to process crime scenes. The Miami and New York teams are actually using [=CSUs=], but refer to them as [=CSIs=] to maintain the "CSI" branding.
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*** Yeah, depends on the location. In some cities they use [=CSIs=] which are scientists who process a crime scene. Some cities use [=CSUs=] (Crime Scene Units) these are police or detectives that are trained to process crime scenes. The Miami and New York teams are actually using [=CSUs=], but refer to them as [=CSIs=] to maintain the "CSI" branding. branding.
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** Going armed while being a civilian in Nevada is not going to upset the police. Going armed ''while you're a person of interest in a criminal investigation'' will.
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** Lastly, why does the boyfriend get off scot-free at the end? Just because Nick was upset that the baby had nowhere to go? His dumping her had no real justification save not wanting to help her take care of the baby, so he inadvertedly had a part in this too. Sure, he was unaware of what was going to happen, but he should have been able to at least listen to her when she was being bullied.
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** Lastly, why does the boyfriend get off scot-free at the end? Just because Nick was upset that the baby had nowhere to go? His dumping her had no real justification save not wanting to help her take care of the baby, so he inadvertedly inadvertently had a part in this too. Sure, he was unaware of what was going to happen, but he should have been able to at least listen to her when she was being bullied.bullied.
** If a crime scene is first discovered at night, the night shift works it throughout to maintain consistency in who's handling and processing the evidence. Sometimes that means staying on until daylight. Occasionally the main characters will be temporarily assigned to work days, if the day shift is understaffed.
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* I can't believe no one noticed this before, I mean, don't autopsy rooms in all three shows look a little innapropiate for examinating corpses? Medical examination involves high biological risks, and those morgues don't look too safe for that.
* As of season 4 Grissom won't let Catherine work on a case involving Sam Braun or his casinos. Fair enough considering they now know she's Sam's daughter and it would be a conflict of interest. However why was Catherine allowed to work on cases involving Sam or his Casinos before this? They may have been unaware that Sam was Catherine's father but it was commen knowledge that Catherine was friends with the Braun family yet she was still allowed to work cases like the one where one of Sam's sons killed the other. Correct me if I'm wrong but wouldn't that still be a conflict of interest and therefore keep Catherine off the case?
* As of season 4 Grissom won't let Catherine work on a case involving Sam Braun or his casinos. Fair enough considering they now know she's Sam's daughter and it would be a conflict of interest. However why was Catherine allowed to work on cases involving Sam or his Casinos before this? They may have been unaware that Sam was Catherine's father but it was commen knowledge that Catherine was friends with the Braun family yet she was still allowed to work cases like the one where one of Sam's sons killed the other. Correct me if I'm wrong but wouldn't that still be a conflict of interest and therefore keep Catherine off the case?
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* As of season 4 Grissom won't let Catherine work on a case involving Sam Braun or his casinos. Fair enough considering they now know she's Sam's daughter and it would be a conflict of interest. However why was Catherine allowed to work on cases involving Sam or his Casinos before this? They may have been unaware that Sam was Catherine's father but it was
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*As of season 4 Grissom won't let Catherine work on a case involving Sam Braun or his casinos. Fair enough considering they now know she's Sam's daughter and it would be a conflict of interest. However why was Catherine allowed to work on cases involving Sam or his Casinos before this? They may have been unaware that Sam was Catherine's father but it was commen knowledge that Catherine was friends with the Braun family yet she was still allowed to work cases like the one where one of Sam's sons killed the other. Correct me if I'm wrong but wouldn't that still be a conflict of interest and therefore keep Catherine off the case?
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** As a corollary to the above, if they intentionally leave the lights off to avoid tampering with the crime scene, why do they always then visit interior crime scenes in the middle of the night? I know CSIs are 24 hour, but wouldn't it make sense to take advantage of natural light? They always visit outdoor locations during the day.
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*This is something of a problem on all three shows,a case cames in and it turns out that the victim is a friend or family member of one of the CSI's. Said Csi is usually told you can't work on this case because you are too close to victim or something along those lines. Yet somehow the csi in question always ends up working the case anyway,case in point Catherine and everytime something happens at her father's casino. WTF?
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