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** It could be different for the Brainiac 5s because they're all twelfth-level intellects, and thus their brains would be able to handle the stress. Or maybe the events of that Supergirl episode took place in a shorter time period than the Batwoman episodes with Beth.
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** Unlike Green Arrow, Flash or Supergirl's teams, the Bat-Team wasn't really involved with the larger superhero community. Kate is the only one who actually interacted with the other heroes, and the only one she really knows among them is Kara. Yes, it is a little strange that Luke wouldn't have figured out that Kara's friend whom she needed to ask about the kryptonite is Supergirl (given that Kate went to National City), but even so, Luke doesn't know how to get in touch with Supergirl.
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** As of ''Initiate Self-Destruct'', Mary ''has'' made her clinic legit. She's found a way around having to report drug users and non-violent criminals by simply having a malfunctioning fax machine!
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** An official clinic would require Mary to report drug users and other non-violent criminals to the authorities, which Mary doesn't want to do.
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*Why does Mary continue doing illegal things in her clinic when she could easily make everything official? She doesn't even have to run it herself, she's a multi-billionaire! She can hire staff until she gets out of medical school.
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** Even if they were able to get in contact with them, Superman and Supergirl have their own problems to deal with--the former being a father to two troubled teenaged boys while also dealing with the everyday troubles of being Superman, a corrupt businessman doing shady stuff in his hometown, and a stranger out to kill him, while the latter has to deal with Lex Luthor being...well, Lex Luthor. Even if they knew about what was going on with Ryan, they have their hands full with much bigger problems, and can't just swing by to help.
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** Do Luke or Mary or Ryan actually know how to contact any of them? Kara would be the easiest, but they'd still need to know her number or email address.
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* Given the Kryptonite poisoning plot, why don't they call the two, you know, Kryptonians to help?
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** If it was actually stated that they framed her, this could still work because even though the Crows didn't plant drugs on her, they instigated hostilities by catcalling her, giving them an excuse to search her when she responded. It's somewhat of a stretch, but since Ryan's side of that story has been the only one given, it could very well have come off to her that way.
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***That version of the Riddler refused to believe Batman unmasked on live tv is actually Bruce Wayne. We shouldn't use him for any kind of reference.
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** More generally, Kate, while not a wholly selfish person at first, came back to Gotham and put on the suit to protect her family; Alice being a family member who's apparent death traumatized her, protecting her was of course going to take priority over the lives of strangers (or even her other family, who she has a rocky relationship with). [[CharacterDevelopment it takes a few episodes for her to accept the responsibility of being the new Batman, which means taking down threats like Alice regardless of personal feelings.]]
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*** If Dr Campbell isn't a real person, Dr Cartwright may have chosen a voice that was sufficiently different to his own but still one he could manage. Changing one's own voice is something lots of people can do to an extent, especially if they're not trying to replicate an actual person.
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** That was an completely different situation https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Recap/TheFlash2014S2E13WelcomeToEarthTwo since it was years before The Crisis.
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*** And Parker didn't just have a sob story, she risked her life to protect Batwoman's secret identity.
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** Also, Kate's killing of Cartwright had ''absolutely nothing to do with her being Batwoman''. It had to do with her being a grief-stricken, horrified, rage-blinded young woman whom Cartwright ''deliberately provoked'' into going too far. That wasn't the act of an overly-ruthless vigilante, it was the act of a fallible human being.
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** Also, Kate's killing of Cartwright had ''absolutely nothing to do with her being Batwoman''. It had to do with her being a grief-stricken, horrified, rage-blinded young woman whom Cartwright ''deliberately provoked'' into going too far. That wasn't the act of an overly-ruthless vigilante, it was the act of a fallible human being.
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*** The ''[[VideoGame/BatmanArkhamSeries Arkham]]'' series included the Riddler speculating that Batman financed himself by stealing from the criminals he caught; obviously that's a warped perspective on his nemesis, but that does provide at least one alternative explanation for how the Bats finance their operations that doesn't include them being rich themselves.
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*** This is a world where scumbag criminals can bodge together freeze-rays and fear-inducing gases. If they can do it without being billionaires, Batwoman can whip up some gear without being one also. Plus, the only vehicle she's been reported to operate is a ''motorcycle'', which would likely make people assume she's significantly less wealthy than her predecessor, who rode around in customized Bat-vehicles of all sorts.
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** He's probably come up with better tools for the job in the past 15 years. Surgery itself has advanced enormously in that time, as have preservation techniques like plastination.
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*** Why would anyone necessarily think that Batman or Batwoman are rich? The public isn't that knowledgeable about the equipment they use, so the gear could be stolen for all they know. Or even homemade. Kate's arrival in Gotham also doesn't seem to have been major news at all, and it doesn't seem that she's a well-known figure in the Arrowverse anyway; even Oliver, someone who's actually in her same social class, had no idea who she was in ''Elseworlds''.
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** But how many lesbians come from rich families or had the money to pay for the equipment in Gotham and arrived in the city right around the time Batwoman appeared? Kate Kane is the direct cousin to the missing billionaire Bruce Wayne, appears to have taken over his company somehow, and is ex-military who was kicked out for being a lesbian.
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**** Do you think she wouldn't, y'know... check that they're telling the truth first, assuming she would even care in the first place? And ''again'', she didn't let Parker go. Parker did not benefit from her crimes, and there's no scenario where she gets to just walk away with no punishment.
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*** What happens if someone gives Kate a fake sob story? Would she give that person a slap on the wrist? You can't let people go because you feel sorry for them, or find them relatable. You think Black Lightning would let a villain go because he was a victim of racism?
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*** Luke hands her a badge at the very start of that scene. Also, do you think the police are going to dust an ''entire subway car'' for prints? Especially when they don't suspect foul play at the time?
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** A city the size of Gotham would have ''thousands'' of lesbians, if not tens of thousands. At ''least''. Not so easy.
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