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Alice and corpses
- Why does Kate think that Alice tampering with corpses is bad enough to warrant her capture after she's already killed multiple people in cold blood, among other things? Even granted that she may be reluctant to go all out against Alice because of who she is, surely Kate would understand that her sister is incredibly unstable and dangerous, posing a detriment to her, the general public, and Alice herself so long as she's left to her own devices, right?
- It's not a matter of corpse mutilation being worse than murder. Kate is suspicious because, as she says, such a crime isn't Alice's style, so something's up.
- Why did she need to wait for Alice to change her angle to respond with, "now I want to capture this person who's already committed multiple crimes"? This implies that if Alice simply kept breaking the law like she always has, Kate wouldn't want to catch her.
- Part of what Kate wants to do is restore Beth, whom Kate is convinced is still inside Alice's head somewhere. To do that, the process has to be willing on Alice's part, or so Kate believes, at least. Thus, capturing Alice won't help with that. However, Kate's ultimatum to her in episode 3 means that that all goes out the window if Alice keeps up her crimes. The mutilations happened to be the first time Alice broke that "bond," on top of being unusual for her.
- How do you "calibrate" what is essentially a bat-shaped throwing star, i.e. a solid piece of metal? Did they maybe mean it needed to be resized and recut to accommodate Kate's throw instead of Bruce's?
- This version of the batarang definitely seems to be programmed in some way to return to the thrower. The calibrations probably had to do with ensuring it came back at the right angle for someone with Kate's arm length to be able to catch it.
- They don't necessarily have to be "smart weapons" for a calibration adjustment to be necessary: the exact angles of the wings' configuration and edges could impact how much lift a batarang acquires as it travels. Bruce probably configured them to return at or near the highest point of his own arms' reach, to ensure he couldn't hit himself or another person he might be hauling in a fireman's carry; Kate simply can't reach that high if she looses one from her optimum throwing position.
- In episode six, after kidnapping Sophie, Kate says that the Crows don't know she's missing. She went into a warehouse with one other person, a load of guns went off and they only found the one other person, dead. Why wouldn't they know Sophie has gone missing when she... went missing.
- Sophie wasn't part of the original team who went to the warehouse; when they head out, she's still at her desk wearing office attire, not tactical gear. It seems she went on her own without their knowledge.
Mary's clinic's finances
- How does Mary afford running a clinic on her own?
- Many of her supplies are stolen, and she's wealthy otherwise.
- She's computer-savvy and probably orders stuff that she charges to a pseudonymous credit card. If she runs low on funds, she rattles on and on to her mother about the new dress/shoes/car she desperately needs until Catherine coughs up just to get some peace. Plus, her mother secretly knows what she's doing and approves: there may be occasional anonymous "donations" to the clinic.
- Another possible source is Bruce. Secretly backing an off-the-books clinic would be in character for him.
- Why is no one complaining about how stupid, unsafe, and morally incomprehensible it is to let Beth run around attacking and killing civilians and her friends and family without catching or stopping her or at least set up some minimum safety measures. Kate actively and knowingly lets her kill people! Why is she pretending to protect anyone?
- Kate's actions toward Alice, after finding out who she is, hinge around A) restoring Beth from wherever she is inside Alice's head, and B) keeping Alice safe so that can happen. Kate believes this process has to be voluntary, so capturing Alice herself won't help with that. And she has a very good reason to believe that Alice will be killed if she's taken into custody, since it's already been attempted. So she's kinda stuck; she doesn't want Alice to kill, but she also wants Beth back. That's what her ultimatum to Alice was about at the end of episode 3, and Alice did indeed keep to it for a while. And since Kate knows Alice broke it in episode 8, that's why she rescinds that view.
- She knew before episode 8. And her treatment of Beth does not come off as fear for her life, as much as fear for her comfort. And Beth's comfort should not be a priority over the lives of innocents. And when ever she knows about the death of said innocents she does not bat a lid (sorry for the pun).
- However it appears, the point is that Alice was almost killed while in custody, so it stands to reason that could happen again, and before episode 8, Kate doesn't want Alice dead.
- After realizing that Kate is trying to redeem her, Alice does her best to keep the killing to a minimum and always has an excuse for the killings she does do. Not because she's actually willing to be redeemed, but because she knows she can stay safe longer if she gives Kate reasons to believe she can be saved. In episode 8 (and earlier, to a lesser extent), several people point out that Alice's crimes are at least partially Kate's fault for not fighting hard enough to bring her in.
Thomas and the necklace
- There is no mention of Thomas Wayne in episode 4. The people in the museum were only interested in Martha and her pearl necklace. Why not honor them both? Isn't that a bit insulting since both parents did good things for the community and died in a tragedy? Wouldn't Bruce feel offended by this?
- The event was specifically about celebrating "powerful women throughout history". Roxana, the curator, says that multiple times.
- Where exactly does Batwoman fit into the timeline of Arrowverse as a whole? When she appears in "Elseworlds," she already has the red wig and there is an implication she's been active for some time already. But when the series begins, she doesn't get the wig until episode 3, and there is no reference to any of the evens of "Elseworlds," aside from her recognizing Kara during the first part of "Crisis On Infinite Earths," despite "Elseworlds" having canonically taken place a year prior.
- The Arkham breakout from Elseworlds is referenced in episode 5, happening two weeks prior.
- But does that mean that post-episode 5 takes place much later? And that Kate has been fighting Alice for a year or so?
- It's likely that when characters say Batman has been missing for 3 and then later 4 years, they're not being exact. Rounding up or down, basically.
- The Arkham breakout from Elseworlds is referenced in episode 5, happening two weeks prior.
Why can't Beth and Alice both exist?
- Never before, even after COIE (Supergirl's multitude of Brainiac 5s comes to mind), have two of the same person being in one universe been something reality can't allow that will result in the deaths of both.
- Maybe it only affects humans.
- It's possible they're just too alike, living basically the exact same life up until the crash as opposed to the various Wells on the Flash who have radically different origins and lives, or people like Earth 90 Barry who is both 30 some years older and entirely different looking person than the Earth-1 version.
- What about all the other doubles in that bar in Supergirl? Not all of them were probably aliens.
- Beth was back for at least a day before any symptoms began, so there's definitely a delay. The bar doubles may not have been around that long yet.
- It wasnt a problem for when Team Flash went to Earth-2 and met their counterparts.
- That was an completely different situation https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Recap/TheFlash2014S2E13WelcomeToEarthTwo since it was years before The Crisis.
While it's possible the answers will be revealed in a later episode, the episode "Take Your Choice" reveals that Dr. Ethan Campbell is actually a barely-aged Dr. August Cartwright wearing a lifelike mask, much like the kind he used to try and make for his son. While it's still ambiguous whether or not Dr. Ethan Campbell was a real person who Cartwright murdered and stole his identity from or a completely fictional persona altogether (I'm personally leaning towards the latter theory for now), regardless of the case, at least two major questions arise:
- It was previously established that Dr. Cartwright himself did not have the dexterity and craftsmanship to create a fully convincing lifelike mask, hence why he turned to Beth to do it, and she should be the only one with this capability. Presumably, the mask of Dr. Campbell was one he made himself, though, so how did he suddenly become skilled enough to create these masks when he couldn't before?
- He's probably come up with better tools for the job in the past 15 years. Surgery itself has advanced enormously in that time, as have preservation techniques like plastination.
- How can he mimic the voice of Dr. Campbell, when only his son is established to be a Voice Changeling, not him?
- Given the nature of Cartwright's cruelty, he may have been faking his inability to make masks for any number of reasons. Or he just developed his dexterity in the intervening 15 years. As for the voice impersonation, that could easily be a genetic trait.
- Let's not sugarcoat things - Parker's stunt with the train is a blatant act of domestic terrorism, and if Batwoman hadn't intervened it would've severely harmed or killed who knows how many people. This is the sort of thing that usually gets people either committed or sent to prison for quite a long time, but all she gets for it is community service and nobody seems to think she needs any sort of intervention after endangering the lives of so many people? And Kate doesn't see anything wrong with this?
- First, Parker said herself that she could have stopped the train on her own, and she doesn't seem to have actually wanted to hurt herself or others, just put herself in a dangerous situation to garner sympathy from her parents. So if Batwoman hadn't intervened, the result would have been the same. Second, Kate does think it's wrong, but is being merciful because she can empathize with why Parker felt so desperate. Don't forget that Parker still had to return all the money she extorted and that Kate directly told her that if she didn't take the offer, she'd be going to juvie.
- Except that there was no time to stop the train if Batwoman didn't get involved. Breaking the laws of physics to stop a train that would have smashed clear through a building that Parker couldn't have stopped in time even if she wanted to stop. Rewatch the scene, there is no way she would have been able to stop in time.
- That just means Parker misjudged how long it would take to stop the train. It doesn't mean her intent wasn't true.
- Pretty sure nearly killing a train full of innocent people is a freaking crime regardless of her supposed intent. Parker should've been locked up.
- That's ignoring that Kate was being merciful to Parker. If Parker hadn't complied, she would've turned her in.
- Who or what gave her the right to assign punishments to people. She's not a member of law enforcement.
- Uh, are you forgetting that she's a vigilante? That's kinda the entire point.
- The whole point of the Bat-family vigilantes was that they just went after the criminals before turning them over to the proper authorities. They are not judge or jury, they go after the criminals.
- That's a distinction without a difference. Vigilantism is inherently extrajudicial, meaning every single member of the Batfamily is equally guilty of what you're only blaming Batwoman for. Why single her out? Why complain about a standard feature of the genre in the first place?
- The Batfamily doesn't dish out the punishments, they just catch the criminals and give them to the proper authorities. Parker would have killed hundreds of innocent people, but Kate lets her off with community service and doesn't tell anyone about the culprit.
- Uh... they very much do dish out the punishments, be it in the form of beatdowns, torture, confinement, forcing the return of stolen property, death in some cases, etc. Every single one of them has done at least one of those, so again, why are you only getting on Batwoman's case about it? And why in only this instance, when even such a bad-faith complaint is equally applicable to every villain she's faced so far? Also, the reason Kate is lenient with Parker is that she's being merciful. That's supposed to be a bad thing in a superhero?
- Yes, "merciful," the woman who murdered someone she was interrogating in a blind rage. Beside the point, the vigilantes beat people up, but they still send them to the authorities to go through due process, this never happened here. Parker gets to walk away and suffers no real consequences for her actions. Community service is not a real punishment for the crime she was planning to commit.
- Kate killing Cartwright is completely irrelevant to this situation and happened afterward anyway. Parker does suffer consequences; you're neglecting both that she also had to return any extortion money and that if she had refused Kate's offer, Kate would've turned her in. Parker did not get to just "walk away" here, and to say she did is to ignore what actually happened. As for the Batfamily always turning criminals in: simply not true. How many of them has Jason killed? How many times have any of them taken a criminal captive, or just left them unconscious on the ground? Even if it were true, they're also not legally sanctioned for that, because vigilantism is illegal. So the original complaint of yours has zero basis at all, because it applies to all of the Batfamily and you're pretending it doesn't.
- What happens if someone gives Kate a fake sob story? Would she give that person a slap on the wrist? You can't let people go because you feel sorry for them, or find them relatable. You think Black Lightning would let a villain go because he was a victim of racism?
- Do you think she wouldn't, y'know... check that they're telling the truth first, assuming she would even care in the first place? And again, she didn't let Parker go. Parker did not benefit from her crimes, and there's no scenario where she gets to just walk away with no punishment.
- Also, Kate's killing of Cartwright had absolutely nothing to do with her being Batwoman. It had to do with her being a grief-stricken, horrified, rage-blinded young woman whom Cartwright deliberately provoked into going too far. That wasn't the act of an overly-ruthless vigilante jumping off the slippery slope, it was the act of a fallible human being who cracked under extreme psychological manipulation.
- And Parker didn't just have a sob story, she risked her life to protect Batwoman's secret identity.
Kate Kane Crime Scene
- I don't remember if it was explained in the episode, but why was Kate let onto an active crime scene while in her civilian persona? She has no credentials as an investigator and she is a real estate agent as a civilian, so why was she allowed to go searching the runaway train without gloves and taking evidence?
- She and Luke were posing as Transit Authority officials.
- You still need badges or identification for that and I don't remember them showing any. Still doesn't explain why they were allowed to just leave with evidence after leaving their own fingerprints everywhere.
- Luke hands her a badge at the very start of that scene. Also, do you think the police are going to dust an entire subway car for prints? Especially when they don't suspect foul play at the time?
Batwoman outing herself to the public
- I get the message the show is trying to make, but as a vigilante, isn't it better for her sexual orientation to remain ambiguous? By giving out that little detail about herself, she is making it easy for villains to learn her true identity.
- A city the size of Gotham would have thousands of lesbians, if not tens of thousands. At least. Not so easy.
- But how many lesbians come from rich families or had the money to pay for the equipment in Gotham and arrived in the city right around the time Batwoman appeared? Kate Kane is the direct cousin to the missing billionaire Bruce Wayne, appears to have taken over his company somehow, and is ex-military who was kicked out for being a lesbian.
- Why would anyone necessarily think that Batman or Batwoman are rich? The public isn't that knowledgeable about the equipment they use, so the gear could be stolen for all they know. Or even homemade. Kate's arrival in Gotham also doesn't seem to have been major news at all, and it doesn't seem that she's a well-known figure in the Arrowverse anyway; even Oliver, someone who's actually in her same social class, had no idea who she was in Elseworlds.
- This is a world where scumbag criminals can bodge together freeze-rays and fear-inducing gases. If they can do it without being billionaires, Batwoman can whip up some gear without being one also. Plus, the only vehicle she's been reported to operate is a motorcycle, which would likely make people assume she's significantly less wealthy than her predecessor, who rode around in customized Bat-vehicles of all sorts.
- The Arkham series included the Riddler speculating that Batman financed himself by stealing from the criminals he caught; obviously that's a warped perspective on his nemesis, but that does provide at least one alternative explanation for how the Bats finance their operations that doesn't include them being rich themselves.
Batwoman killing Cartwright
- Killing Cartwright drives her into a deep depression, but not when she accidentally killed an old version of her cousin Bruce, the man she looked up to? You would think watching your cousin go insane and accidentally killing him would be devastating for her.
- Two key points of difference: 1. She accidentally killed Bruce; Cartwright was a result of losing her cool, and intentional at least in the moment. 2. That Bruce was a different universe's Bruce, not "hers".
Where is Gordon?
- Why hasnt the show even acknowledged his existence?
- Word of God says he's retired.