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** Like you said, Marquis has a direct chance of having his sanity restored by the buzzer, which Sophie and Luke are implicitly aware of. Plus, once it's clear Alice really wants to become Beth again, Ryan encourages her to actively work through her trauma instead of relying on the buzzer. Alice and Mary were likely already aware of the facts so Ryan chose an emotional appeal instead to finally get through to Alice, putting their personal history aside.
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** Like you said, Marquis has a direct chance of having his sanity restored by the buzzer, which Sophie and Luke are implicitly aware of. Plus, once it's clear Alice really wants to become Beth again, Ryan encourages her to actively work through her trauma instead of relying on the buzzer. Alice and Mary were likely already aware of the facts so Ryan chose an emotional appeal instead to finally get through to Alice, putting their personal history aside.
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* So much debate in the final few episodes of Season 3 is about whether to give the joy buzzer to Marquis or Alice. Two questions: One, why does no one point out that, while Marquis literally had part of his brain shut off by a first shock from the buzzer, and experts say another shock will undo the damage, Alice is just a neuro-typical with serious trauma, and thus the buzzer is just as if not more likely to make her worse than it is to turn her back into Beth? Also, while its strongly implied Ryan is desperate to fix Marquis out of her family issues, why are Sophie and Luke, Kate's former best friends who lived through Alice's rampages, totally on her side, insisting they restore someone neither they nor Ryan ever truly knew?
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* So much debate in the final few episodes of Season 3 is about whether to give the joy buzzer to Marquis or Alice. Two questions: One, why does no one point out that, while Marquis literally had part of his brain shut off by a first shock from the buzzer, and experts say another shock will undo the damage, Alice is just a neuro-typical with serious trauma, and thus the buzzer is just as if not more likely to make her worse than it is to turn her back into Beth? Also, while its it's strongly implied Ryan is desperate to fix Marquis out of her family issues, why are Sophie and Luke, Kate's former best friends who lived through Alice's rampages, totally on her side, insisting they restore someone neither they nor Ryan ever truly knew?knew?
** Like you said, Marquis has a direct chance of having his sanity restored by the buzzer, which Sophie and Luke are implicitly aware of. Plus, once it's clear Alice really wants to become Beth again, Ryan encourages her to actively work through her trauma instead of relying on the buzzer. Alice and Mary were likely already aware of the facts so Ryan chose an emotional appeal instead to finally get through to Alice, putting their personal history aside.
** Like you said, Marquis has a direct chance of having his sanity restored by the buzzer, which Sophie and Luke are implicitly aware of. Plus, once it's clear Alice really wants to become Beth again, Ryan encourages her to actively work through her trauma instead of relying on the buzzer. Alice and Mary were likely already aware of the facts so Ryan chose an emotional appeal instead to finally get through to Alice, putting their personal history aside.
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** Not to totally let the writers off the hook, but there is a difference between characters ignoring another character and writers ignoring another character; Kate is alive and well, but not involved in the plot so the writers don't bring her up much, and that isn't a problem. Likewise, Mary's just less relevant to a lot of the show's plots, especially the type that take up the climax of seasons. And she still does some stuff in the final episodes; tying it in with Alice's subplot is arguably just economical storytelling and necessary because of how the two change each other.
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* So much debate in the final few episodes of Season 3 is about whether to give the joy buzzer to Marquis or Alice. Two questions: One, why does no one point out that, while Marquis literally had part of his brain shut off by a first shock from the buzzer, and experts say another shock will undo the damage, Alice is just a neuro-typical with serious trauma, and thus the buzzer is just as if not more likely to make her worse than it is to turn her back into Beth? Also, while its strongly implied Ryan is desperate to fix Marquis out of her family issues, why are Sophie and Luke, Kate's former best friends who lived through Alice's rampages, totally on her side, insisting they restore someone neither they nor Ryan ever truly knew?
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*** Real-life billionaires have gone to prison for much lesser, and better hidden crimes. Plus, all he really had by sunrise was a piece of paper, so the Bat Family would just have to stall any legal proceedings (which should be pretty easy; Ryan just says "I was threatened,") to cut Marquis off from at least half of his potential money and power while they build a case against him. Plus, why didn't Ryan just whoop his ass and tear up the paper as soon as he'd given her the cure? Sure, they're on the clock, but she's Batwoman! An extra three minutes out of an estimated hour to apprehend a dangerous killer and stop him stealing the corporation from them seems more than worth it. I could buy this plot point if there was a given reason why they still wanted to keep it under wraps, but as is, it just seems like DiablousExMachina combined with JustEatGilligan.
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** What? Reporting illegal drug use, while not absolutely required, also doesn't violate HIPAA.
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** The problem was the batarangs not accurately returning "home".
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*** Or she just got there before they did.
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***So, the Crows then either failed to surround the warehouse, or just didn't see her go in. Given how bad they seem to be at their job, either is a distinct possibility.
**So, their brains can somehow handle them disintegrating on a molecular level?( Of course this was based on Mary's completely unqualified opinion, based on her momentary evaluation with a standard light microscope).
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* There is no mention of Thomas Wayne in episode 4. The people in the museum were only interested in Martha and her pearl necklace. Why not honor them both? Isn't that a bit insulting since both parents did good things for the community and died in a tragedy? Wouldn't Bruce feel offended by this?
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* So, the big throughline of the Poison Mary plot is that she felt slighted and ignored by Ryan, Sophie, and Luke, even when she had pressing issues. Mary feels so put out that she intentionally tries to break away from the others fast and joins up with Alice and eventually Pamela Isley. Once she is rid of the Poison Ivy gene, she goes back to her old self and apologizes. Ryan and the others apologize too. The first episode she's back... the writers go back to ignoring Mary. Her subplot is entirely paired up with Alice, away from the others. Yes, there's a scene early on where Ryan has a talk with Mary, but then the next scene we have Ryan, Luke, and Sophie huddled around a laptop while Mary is standing all by herself about 15 feet away. BrokenAesop on a meta level much?
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* Joker is one of the most notorious criminals in Gotham City, and based on dialog in the series, spent the height of his spree in his trademark purple suit, or at least a variation of it. How in the world did nobody outside the Bat-crew, particularly the news reporters there, make the connection between Marquis' new outfit and the Joker's? Especially given that the former Bat Villains are on everyone's mind thanks to Jada Jet's proclaiment that Batwoman was responsible for their items getting loose? Even if Marquis is seen as having a weird fashion sense, you'd think there would at least be some talking heads that would complain his attire is too insensitive to all the people Joker injured and/or killed during his reign.
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** Marquis is a billionaire. He has enough money and power now to keep literally all of that quiet.
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** Because having ''a'' CEO is better than having ''no'' CEO.
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** How is putting an ex-con with no experience into a position of leadership for an international company a sign of stability? If she is the most qualified person to lead, then any shareholders are going to sell the moment the news dropped.
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** You start with the body of the first doctor he murdered, then the security guard that he killed. Luke's testimony and the testimonies of the receptionists will get someone to look into it. This may not be "Jim Gordon's Gotham," but there are still plenty of cops that would normally look into this. Will this happen in the show? Likely not, but in any real world scenario Marquis would have been arrested already with his many loose ends.
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** Ryan ''was'' asked to step down. And her becoming CEO brought a measure of stability to a shaky company, a good sign, which helps explain the growth.
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** Certainly he can. Who's to say an investigation even ''happens'', for starters? Not to mention the notorious corruption of the GCPD even if one did. Same thing goes for Marquis becoming the CEO: yes, what he did is actually illegal, but how do you prove it when Marquis now controls all the evidence against him and will no doubt violently retaliate if called into question?
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**Except this is completely dropped and never mentioned again after Jada almost bankrupted the company. Ryan would have been asked to step down by the Boards, but she isn't. There is no logical reason why a former bartender and ex-con with no experience in business somehow caused the company to skyrocket.
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** No, he can't. Because any competent investigation would look into the records, find fingerprints on the murder weapon, testimonies from Luke and the receptionists who let him in and know he was in the office where someone was killed. He also murdered a doctor before that, so he has a lot that can be traced to him. Also, him becoming the CEO of Wayne Enterprise will never hold up since Marquis threatened Ryan to get her to sign the contract, which is illegal and can be turned over in a court of law.
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** He only kills the one guard, up in the private office, and the silent alarm was for that guard, not the police. Since Marquis effectively owns Wayne Enterprises by the end of the episode, he can shut that up real fast.
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** My assumption is that Bruce is the majority shareholder in the company, and made himself CEO. After he disappeared, Kate (as his closest living relative) seems to have taken control of his shares, and made herself CEO. And before she left Gotham, Kate made Ryan acting CEO. None of them seem to have done much actual CEO work, using the position mainly as a front for their vigilante activities; presumably, they delegated their responsibilities to a bunch of other executives. What seems to be happening now is that, since Kate and Bruce are both MIA, they're no longer around to tell the board of directors what to do, so they can replace Ryan as CEO if they want to.
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* I'm not quite getting how Wayne Enterprises is still a thing, at least in its current form. Bruce disappears for years and Lucius is killed. Presumably, the other board of directors are in charge. But then Kate comes in and takes charge, somehow, but focuses entirely on real estate. Then she vanishes, and Ryan is put in charge. So... where are the board of directors? What exactly does Wayne Enterprises do now? Who approved Ryan being the CEO? How is that NOT national news? Does anybody actually work at WE except the main cast? Wouldn't it have been easier to name a different CEO, someone the group can trust, while Ryan concentrates on being Batwoman?
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