History Headscratchers / AntMan1

* Wait, so [[spoiler: Cross knew Hank, Hope and Scott were planning a heist, but he wanted it to happen just so he could get his hand on the Ant-Man suit as well ? Then why did he put a miniature laser grid that would have destroyed the suit had they done a tiny mistake or had something out of their control been preventing them from shutting it off (like what almost happened) ? Couldn't he put in place another safety protocol that wouldn't have raised suspicion on the heroes' part but wouldn't be as destructive for the thing he wants to acquire ?]]
** Since he had JUST [[spoiler:perfected his own suit and particles, perhaps he only wanted the Ant-Man suit to take it out of the running. Destroying it with the laser grid would have been one way to do that.]]
** Also, [[spoiler:he didn't really care if he got the Ant-Man suit. It was just a bonus if Scott made it through, so he could rub it in Hank's face. Also also, he was ''crazy'' at this point.]]

* Hope's mother, [[spoiler:Janet, the Wasp, went subatomic decades ago, and into the titanium shell of an ICBM that splashed in the ocean, at that. Even if she had somehow survived without air, food, or water, and even if Hank figured out how to enter the "quantum realm" on his own, how would he expect to ''find'' an infinitesimally tiny person in an infinitely larger world?]]
** Don't know how he'd find her, but to get to her it could be some variation of the Wait Calculation. [[spoiler:Janet wearing the suit decades ago shrank at a certain speed. Hank with a more advanced tech could shrink at a faster rate to catch up.]]
** [[spoiler:As far as how she'd survive all this time, Hank seems to think that time doesn't work the same way in the quantum realm. So if he could ever find a way to retrieve her, it's possible that Janet would have been effectively frozen in time for the last 30 years.]]
** All this "quantum" talk could might make one think that the movie might somehow be setting up [[spoiler:The Time Stone.]] That didn't end up happening, but it could still be involved in finding her in the future some how.

** [[spoiler: Hank said that neither space nor time work the same in the Quantum Realm. If the MCU's metaplot involves bringing her back, her physical location in space when she entered it wouldn't necessarily confine her any more than her location in time.]]

* If the plan was to [[spoiler: blow up (then implode) the entire Pym Technologies building, why did the protagonists first short out all the servers]]?

** Plus not everyone has as extreme a reaction to age differences as people on TVTropes headscratchers pages seem to. There's a reason "squicky" is subjective.

* What was the point of using a Glock 17 (which doesn't have an external hammer) for the "ants stop the pistol's hammer" scene? Is it supposed to be a fictional model, like the infamous [[Film/DieHard2 Glock 7]]? Why didn't they just use a Colt M1911 or ''any'' other handgun that ''does'' have an external hammer for that scene? According to the Internet Movie Firearms Database, Cross actually has a Beretta 92FS Inox (which has an external hammer) in another scene, so why didn't they just use that instead?

** Time surely still works the same than in does in the grand scheme of things. What Pym surely meant is that in the subatomic realm time is "different" because everyting around someone looks like an infine nothingness, and there is no way for the human mind to actually ''notice'' the pass of time.

* Perhaps that's not the greatest point for movie with questionable relation to physics, but when Scott goes subatomic, how can he still hear Cassie calling out for him? I understand it in all the other cases, ants have no problem with that, but shouldn't the soundwaves at this point be too big for Scott's ears to process them coherently, or even catch the entirety of them?

** Same reason Obediah Stane only used his super-awesome paralysing device once: the villains of these movies are so obsessed with copying the achievements of the heroes that they don't pay attention to the potential of the weapons they have...

** Is it? Hydra already has discs that turns you first into stone and then into dust. The only improvement the gun would provide is using extremely rare ammunition just to make it soundless (but a disc still isneasier to conceal than a gun), so it's not really worth it.

* It's previously been established that SHIELD, although an important organization dealing with superscience and other oddities, wasn't particularly well known or large until the turn of the century. It was implied in ''Film/CaptainAmericaTheWinterSoldier'' that the Triskelion and SHIELD expansion happened as a result of the Chitauri invasion, justifying why the United States is okay with a multinational run paramilitary base being built at the capital, rather than freaking out about it (the United Nations Building in NYC was met with resistance when established, and that wasn't the capital). Seems like a major retcon.

** Both times we see someone shrink to get through titanium we see them aim for whatever tiny gaps exist between the titanium plates rather than between molicules. Scott, as mentioned before, was still large enough to smash up the circuitry on his way to subatomic so it's very possible neither of them were actually subatomic until long after they got past the titanium. Additionally, for the Yellowjacket suit, it was shown Cross has been able to shrink inorganic objects for a while at the start of the movie, whose to say he didn't shrink some micro-circuitry to allow a more compact suit? A microchip shrunk at even the standard scale shown ( from 5'10 to a fraction of an inch) would make for a VERY small chip.

* When Scott and Cross end up at the house with the pool, Paxton and his partner arrive inmediatly despite earlier following the crashing helicopter in a car that would have crashed somewhere else, and it's unlikely they would have known about the shrinking ability or even be able to follow the suitcase.

** Whilst getting into the one-piece leather Ant-Man suit does stretch credulity, there's nothing to say the Yellowjacket isn't modular or specially designed to facilitate quick-changes, like Iron Man's briefcase armour or the Mk VII through XLII suits.

** I don't think I'm crazy, and I don't see much of a meaningful difference. The difference Cross is supposed to be "missing" is that most people would probably think lambs are cuter than mice, but that's not a rational reason to avoid using lambs over mice, and rationality is practically the opposite of craziness. Perhaps he gets some fun out of upsetting people by pretending to miss the cute factor and daring underlings to try and explain it to him in a lab setting. You might call that crazy. But I think the most likely explanation for his behaviour is that he's a scientist so focused on his objective that cuteness is irrelevant to him.

** Perhaps they're shocked at first, but it's been common knowledge for the past three years that they live in a world of superheroes and supervillains.

* It seems unnecessary to say Darren Cross' s mind was corrupted by Pym Particles. Why add that line in there? Why not have him be a greedy jerk? Obadiah Stane and Justin Hammer were sociopaths. There were no scientific explanation for their evilness. Now let's talk about the hero of the movie, Scott. It seems like Disney wants to turn Scott into Robin Hood to make him likeable. I don't see it being necessary. In real life, criminals can change their ways. If Scott was a selfish thief who changes his thieving ways for his daughter, viewers would still love him.

** Well Cross being affected adds a few things; One, the reason the full suit and headgear is needed, which Cross didn't use when creating his own version of the particles. And two, he was at one point a decent guy, which is why Hank took him under his wing. Considering the falling out he had with SHIELD, Hank would have been far more wary of letting someone initially like Stain or Hammer into his work. I think you already answered the question regarding Scott. They established him already having a good moral compass even while committing crimes. It's easier to build likability in someone who's doing the right thing, if not the legal thing, than someone who was bad at the start. And it rolls back to Hank again. Hank didn't just pick Scott for his skills at burglary, but also because he had a moral compass the whole time.

*** It does bug me when problems with story-telling fall back on "This is how it is in the comics." Marvel's Cinematic Universe is great in that they have a chance to re-imagine their existing stories and take out logical failings while maintaining the spirit of their comic franchise.

*** What hurts this is the attempt to explain it. They used actual science, which opened it up to being scrutinized, and it makes the inconsistencies stand out. The writers would have been better off just declaring that it's magical tech so they don't have to be consistent with the way it works, and you can still have your Thomas the Tank engine crush a car.

* It seems unecessary to say Darren Cross' s mind was corrupted by Pym Particles. Why add that line in there? Why not have him be a greedy jerk? Obediah Stane and Justin Hammer were sociopaths. There were no scientific explantion for their evilness. Now let's talk about the hero of the movie, Scott. It seems like Disney wants to turn Scott into Robin Hood to make him likeable. I don't see it being necessary. In real life, criminals can change their ways. If Scott was a selfish thief who changes his thieving ways for his daughter, viewers would still love him.

* It seems unecessary to say Darren Cross' s mind was corrupted by Pym Particles. Why add that line in there? Why not have him be a greedy jerk? Obediah Stane and Justin Hammer were sociopaths. There were no scientific expalantion for their evilness. Now let's talk about the hero of the movie, Scott. It seems like Disney wants to turn Scott into Robin Hood to make him likeable. I don't see it being necessary. In real life, criminals can change their ways. If Scott was a selfish thief who changes his thieving ways for his daughter, viewers would still love him.