History Headscratchers / AceAttorneyInvestigationsMilesEdgeworth

*** '''''HOLD IT!''''' That isn't the point - at the end of the case [[spoiler:the Amanos are]] immediately arrested and carted off, so why isn't [[spoiler:she]] immediately arrested as well?
*** '''''Not so fast!''''' Certainly, [[spoiler:the Amanos]] are arrested and carted off while [[spoiler:Lauren isn't arrested until later, if she's arrested at all]]. After all, [[spoiler:Lance is the one who committed murder]], and while merely obstructing the investigation, it allowed for [[spoiler:Ernest to be brought in for his involvement in the smuggling ring]] - much more important to Interpol than [[spoiler:staging a kidnapping]]!
*** '''''OBJECTION!''''': In the ending, she reveals that she was, in fact, put on trial and imprisoned for her part in the fake kidnapping.

*** '''''OBJECTION!''''' ::desk slam:: It's clearly stated that [[spoiler:the mirror breaking was the start of the struggle - immediately after Edgeworth hangs up on the phone - and the gunshot was, obviously, at the end]]! Ergo... ::[[GivingSomeoneThePointerFinger points]]:: the [[spoiler:gunshot]] happened '''after''' the [[spoiler:mirror broke]], clearly contradicting your theory! Besides, the order is irrelevant - what matters is the relative volume of the events, and any [[spoiler:gunshot]] is going to be a lot louder than [[spoiler:a mirror breaking]] - such a loud noise is going to be very easy to hear over any [[spoiler:ambient sound]], even if it is meant to sound like [[spoiler:a gunshot]]!
*** '''OBJECTION!''' The order of the events is indeed irrelevant! Indeed, the [[spoiler:mirror was broken in the struggle, and not by the gunshot]], but this does not significantly contradict my previous testimony! As for the blending, could not the [[spoiler:gun]] have been equipped with a [[spoiler:silencer]]? ::lawyerspace closeup:: There is no proof that the sound of [[spoiler:a gunshot]] was ever actually produced in the first place, as ''nobody'' heard the sound!

** Ultimately, this is done for the purposes of gameplay. Having to go through the investigation where you clearly prove that X is the killer and then having to go through the courtroom session where you prove that X is the killer would be redundant and boring. The game could have done something clever, like separate investigation into days where you fight against the lawyer and then continue the investigation to ultimately narrow down the real suspect, but AAI is a very lazy game.

*** [[spoiler:All good points, but it's important to note that the claim of self-defense is a specific legal justification for murder, since murder is also a specific legal term. Given that The Big Bad is not a lawyer, he probably wouldn't think of it straight away, especially given the stigma that a verdict of self-defense has in Los Tokyo Angeles, and the fact that the final confrontation ended once de Killer appeared on the scene. But the Big Bad's defense attorney could probably make a reasonable case for self-defense, or at least claim that the prosecution can't prove it was murder, all of which would come out during the trial. In fact this troper believes that the president was killed in a combination of self-defense and the Big Bad realizing how to make use a coincidence. Also there was no hole in the basket, since bullet was still embedded in the basket when Edgeworth and co. examined it.]]

*** [[spoiler:Maybe he doesn't have millions of dollars, but Simon has been planning his revenge for 12 years, not just the 1-2 that he worked at the circus. He could easily have saved up enough money over that time, and he needed some way to make money during the ten years he wasn't working at the circus. Also, it is never made clear how much de Killer charges to assassinate someone.]]~TheKayOne

*** [[spoiler: This troper agrees that not telling de Killer about the fake president was a breach of trust, but there is a difference between the breach of trust that his client showed, which would result in punishment, and actively double-crossing him, which would cause de Killer to kill his client as punishment (as per JFA). And since de Killer determined that the president was a fake by himself, it appeared to this troper that the reason de Killer was searching for his client (or at least the reason while he talks to Edgeworth and co. on the rooftop) was to confirm his client knew about the fake president. After all, if his client didn't know that the president was a fake, then there is no breach of trust and de Killer has no reason to punish his client. What this troper noted was that there is an even bigger breach of de Killer's trust that his client was forced into committing: namely, his client hired de Killer to kill the president, then went and killed the president himself, which meant that his client actively prevent de Killer from completing the hit, and not just passively preventing it by not disclosing the target's true identity, and would thus warrant de Killer to kill his client as revenge. In fact, de Killer only starts trying to kill his client ''after'' it's revealed that his client is the true culprit, even though de Killer had to be present during all of the final show down to know that his client knew that the president was a fake, which he clearly knew when he spoke to Edgeworth and co. in the circus tent.]] ~TheKayOne

*** [[spoiler:All good points, but it's important to note that the claim of self-defense is a specific legal justification for murder, since murder is also a specific legal term. Given that The Big Bad is not a lawyer, he probably wouldn't think of it straight away, especially given the stigma that a verdict of self-defense has in Los Tokyo Angeles, and the fact that the final confrontation ended once de Killer appeared on the scene. But the Big Bad's defense attorney could probably make a reasonable case for self-defense, or at least claim that the prosecution can't prove it was murder, all of which would come out during the trial. In fact this troper believes that the president was killed in a combination of self-defense and the Big Bad realizing how to make use a coincidence. Also there was no hole in the basket, since bullet was still embedded in the basket when Edgeworth and co. examined it.]]~TheKayOne

*** [[spoiler: Considering that the art work depicting the balloon incident shows the basket and balloon are tied together by simple rope, then all Simon needs to do is untie the knots and the basket suddenly has no upward momentum anymore and crushes the president almost instantly, giving him almost no time to react. And regarding the other point, this troper doesn't know if a regular wicker basket might take damage from a fall like that, but there is no way that Simon's balloon is just a regular wicker basket. Given that as part of the prison's Animal Show, the balloon needs to carry an elephant and a tiger, which would weigh over a ton in addition to the 800 pounds of a regular deflated hot air balloon, and most likely break a regular wicker basket. such a trick would require the balloon to be reinforced, which would explain why the bullets the president fired didn't pass straight through the balloon, and the metal casing of the basket that is present when the balloon is examined, ''and'' the clanging noise that was recorded on Nicole's tape, ''and and'' why there were no signs of damage on the balloon.]]~TheKayOne

*** [[spoiler:While a prosecutor taking finger prints might be normal in Los Tokyo Angeles, during case 5, Edgeworth isn't actually a prosecutor, he's a civilian and will probably justify his involvement in the investigation as consultant work. But since they were looking for his own fingerprints, he shouldn't have been allowed any involvement in the forensics investigation, and was probably only allowed to do because Ema Skye was the forensics expert present, who is also a big fan of Edgeworth. His involvement is just an opening for the defense to accuse him of evidence tampering. But like the previous posted noted, he does have a large number of witnesses who can claim never touched the truck when he was at the circus, and Ema isn't an idiot; she would certainly have enough gloves to allow Edgeworth to wear some as well, and if Edgeworth was wearing gloves while searching the truck for prints, then he couldn't get his prints on there during the investigation. In short, Edgeworth investigating the balloon was in violation of protocol and shouldn't be permissible in court, but even to an outside observer it would be impossible to Edgeworth to have faked the prints.]]~TheKayOne

* Here's something that's bugged me about I-4. During a logic segment near the end of the case where [[spoiler:Edgeworth deduces that the missing KG-8 tape is in the video player hooked up to the TV, he deduces that the tape must be in the TV because the only things that could pass through the bars are incorporeal things. Assuming the tape in question is about the same dimensions of a typical VHS tape, what's stopping the criminal from just chucking it out the window and recovering it later? Edgeworth should have at least addressed this possibility.

* Here's something that's bugged me about I-4. During a logic segment near the end of the case where [[spoiler:Edgeworth deduces that the missing KG-8 tape is in the video player hooked up to the TV, he deduces that the tape must be in the TV because the only things that could pass through the bars are incorporeal things. Assuming the tape in question is about the same dimensions of a typical VHS tape, what's stopping the criminal from just chucking it out the window and recovering it later? Edgeworth should have at least addressed this possibility.]]

* Case 3: It's nice that the game [[SubvertedTrope subverts]] the expectations that certain GenreSavvy players of Trials and Tribulations might have. (If that's being too generous, they at least avoid getting stale and predictable by obviously re-using the same character types [[spoiler: with the same genders]] in the same plot.) However, it still makes Edgeworth seem forgetful and maybe even naive that he is so unwilling to believe that [[spoiler: a flirty 19-year old girl who can make sad eyes who was involved in a kidnapping/extortion plot and apparently betrayed her boyfriend would be capable of killing a member of her own family]].

*** [[spoiler:Simon might be in an Engarde dilemma. When Dogen pleaded for the Simon's life, one of the conditions was "please permit this young acolyte to recieve his proper punishment in prison". And so De Killer relunctantly settled for a less severe punishment, and only then because of his respect for a fellow assassin. But that's way different from outright sparing Simon; there's absolutely no way De Killer would accept Simon just walking off scot-free like that.]]

*** He also revises his opinion several times as the investigation goes on -- he's seldom "right" on the first try. Take "Kidnapped Turnabout" for an example. If it were played as a regular Ace Attorney case, Edgeworth would be prosecuting Lauren Paups, saying the facts point to her murdering her father (unknowingly) in self-defense. Phoenix would be the one to point out all the reasons it couldn't be her, and when Edgeworth was convinced, he'd see that suspicion naturally falls on Lance Amano, whereupon both of them would team up to nail the twerp. In these games, he doesn't have Phoenix for his partner, so he has to prosecute the one he thinks is guilty (who usually has a defender) and defend the ones he thinks are innocent (who always have accusers), until he finally works it all through and finds the truth.

** Could just be nerves about meeting such an important detective. He's 19 years old, talking to a guy so badass he could put Chuck Norris to shame, and said badass suddenly reaches into his coat where a gun would normally be holstered on a detective...I could see where he was coming from.

*** He also has a reason to dislike Edgeworth in 1-3: he probably suspected from the start that Ernest Amano would be covering for his son and had hired a pet prosecutor to make sure guilt falls on the "right" person (Lauren). So Lang sidelines Edgeworth as much as he can (probably would have left him locked in that room the whole time to keep him out of the way) until Edgeworth reveals that he isn't Amano's stooge and that he has no agenda except to find out what really happened. When he and Kay prove instrumental to bringing Amano down, Lang starts to respect his methods a bit more, but in 1-5 he still thinks Edgeworth won't be able to use the law to take down someone above the law (and he may be right about that).

* The murder weapon in 1-5 is a decorative knife with an Allebahst flower motif on its pommel. One of the gold petals is missing and the petal itself is found on the Babahl side of the embassy, calling attention to the fact that the body was moved (and giving a clue as to how). It's implied that the petal came off during the transportation of the body, but the knife is visible in a pre-murder photograph where it is tucked into a bouquet -- the petal is already missing!

** He also revises his opinion several times as the investigation goes on. Take "Kidnapped Turnabout" for an example. If it were played as a regular Ace Attorney case, Edgeworth would be prosecuting Lauren Paups, saying the facts point to her murdering her father (unknowingly) in self-defense. Phoenix would be the one to point out all the reasons it couldn't be her, and when Edgeworth was convinced, he'd see that suspicion naturally falls on Lance Amano, whereupon both of them would team up to nail the twerp. In these games, he doesn't have Phoenix for his partner, so he has to prosecute the one he thinks is guilty (who usually has a defender) and defend the ones he thinks are innocent (who always have accusers), until he finally works it all through and finds the truth.

** This is easily explained. In Phoenix's and Apollo's cases, the prosecution doesn't want to find the truth per se but to rather just arrest all people who could be the killer. The whole point of These cases is that they are seem from ONE viewpoint, the polices, however Phoenix/Apollo change the viewpoint to see it from their eyes. Edgeworth (in AAI)wants the truth and thinks through things from his own viewpoint. Not to mention that the WHOLE POLICE FORCE is a little bit different from just one single prosecutor who happens to find the truth.