Follow TV Tropes

Following

History Fridge / TheLifeOfDavidGale

Go To

OR

Is there an issue? Send a MessageReason:
None


** I beg to disagree about the "finding the right reporter" part. The only thing that really matters is the tape. All that's really needed is to get the tape published - if there's no other option, than the full version with Gale on it to make sure that it ''will'' make news, regardless of the reporter. Bitsey's involvement makes everything so much easier for Deathwatch, but the scheme would presumably still have worked even without her.

to:

** I beg to disagree about the "finding the right reporter" part. The only thing that really matters is the tape. All that's really needed is to get the tape published - if there's no other option, than then the full version with Gale on it to make sure that it ''will'' make news, regardless of the reporter. Bitsey's involvement makes everything so much easier for Deathwatch, but the scheme would presumably still have worked even without her.
Is there an issue? Send a MessageReason:
None


** I beg to disagree. The only thing that really matters is the tape. Even without her all that's really needed is to get the tape published - if there's no other option, than the full version with Gale on it to make sure that it ''will'' make news. Bitsey's involvement makes everything so much easier for Deathwatch, but the scheme would still have worked.

to:

** I beg to disagree.disagree about the "finding the right reporter" part. The only thing that really matters is the tape. Even without her all All that's really needed is to get the tape published - if there's no other option, than the full version with Gale on it to make sure that it ''will'' make news. news, regardless of the reporter. Bitsey's involvement makes everything so much easier for Deathwatch, but the scheme would presumably still have worked.worked even without her.
Is there an issue? Send a MessageReason:
None

Added DiffLines:

** I beg to disagree. The only thing that really matters is the tape. Even without her all that's really needed is to get the tape published - if there's no other option, than the full version with Gale on it to make sure that it ''will'' make news. Bitsey's involvement makes everything so much easier for Deathwatch, but the scheme would still have worked.

Changed: 161

Is there an issue? Send a MessageReason:
None


** There's also always the risk that the reporters get pulled off by some other story and move on. What if no (credible) network is willing to cough up the money, or Bitsey just decides that the evidence against him is sufficient and doesn't go chasing the story?

to:

** There's also always the risk that the reporters get pulled off by some other story and move on. What if no (credible) network is willing to cough up the money, or Bitsey just decides that the evidence against him is sufficient and doesn't go chasing the story?story? Alternatively, if she (or someone she knows) has the right favors to burn in Austin, getting a last-minute stay would certainly throw a spanner in the works...
Is there an issue? Send a MessageReason:
None

Added DiffLines:

** There's also always the risk that the reporters get pulled off by some other story and move on. What if no (credible) network is willing to cough up the money, or Bitsey just decides that the evidence against him is sufficient and doesn't go chasing the story?
Is there an issue? Send a MessageReason:
None

Added DiffLines:

*** This was far less the case in the 1990s, but over the years since it seems possible that more "death qualified" jurors are less willing to impose the death penalty than once were (to the point that some states have been making it easier for a jury to recommend a death sentence).
Is there an issue? Send a MessageReason:
None


*** That's what the film makers are trying to promote. In truth, a journalist's ethics would oblige her to reveal the actual story, thus destroying Gale's argument against capital punishment (i.e. Gale had to commit fraud to break the system, so his argument that the system is inherently wrong loses all credibility. You can't claim something doesn't work if you intentionally break it). Journalists aren't lawyers - their ethics are to the truth of the story, not to promulgate a fraud in the name of keeping a confidence. Journalism 101.

to:

*** That's what the film makers are trying to promote. In truth, a journalist's ethics would oblige her to reveal the actual story, thus destroying Gale's argument against capital punishment (i.e. Gale had to commit fraud to break the system, so his argument that the system is inherently wrong loses all credibility. You can't claim something doesn't work if you intentionally break it). Journalists aren't lawyers - -- their ethics are to the truth of the story, not to promulgate a fraud in the name of keeping a confidence. Journalism 101.



* As a rather dark example of FridgeBrilliance, the plot of the movie makes more sense if you look at it as a pair of lonely, deeply depressed friends-one dying of an incurable illness, one ruined by false accusations and a divorce-agreeing to kill themselves in a suicide pact, and using a protest against capital punishment as an excuse for their decision. Especially when you consider that if and when Constance dies of leukemia, David will lose his only real friend and have even less to live for.

to:

* As a rather dark example of FridgeBrilliance, the plot of the movie makes more sense if you look at it as a pair of lonely, deeply depressed friends-one friends -- one dying of an incurable illness, one ruined by false accusations and a divorce-agreeing divorce -- agreeing to kill themselves in a suicide pact, and using a protest against capital punishment as an excuse for their decision. Especially when you consider that if and when Constance dies of leukemia, David will lose his only real friend and have even less to live for.
Is there an issue? Send a MessageReason:
None


*** That's what the film makers are trying to promote. In truth, a journalist's ethics would oblige her to reveal the actual story, thus destroying Gale's argument against capital punishment (i.e. Gale had to commit fraud to break the system, so his argument that the system is inherently wrong loses all credibility. You can't claim something doesn't work if you intentionally break it). Journalists aren't lawyers or priests - their ethics are to the truth of the story, not to promulgate a fraud in the name of keeping a confidence. Journalism 101.

to:

*** That's what the film makers are trying to promote. In truth, a journalist's ethics would oblige her to reveal the actual story, thus destroying Gale's argument against capital punishment (i.e. Gale had to commit fraud to break the system, so his argument that the system is inherently wrong loses all credibility. You can't claim something doesn't work if you intentionally break it). Journalists aren't lawyers or priests - their ethics are to the truth of the story, not to promulgate a fraud in the name of keeping a confidence. Journalism 101.

Added: 312

Changed: 132

Is there an issue? Send a MessageReason:
None


** Remember, that Gale and associates have committed multiple crimes. From as trivial as filing a false police report, to perjury, fraud, criminal libel, and conspiracy to commit murder (as assisted suicide was definitely not legal when this film was made), everyone involved in the scheme is a multiple felon. No journalist, regardless of their political feelings, is going to pass up reporting on that kind of story.

to:

** Remember, Remember that Gale and associates have committed multiple crimes. From as trivial as filing a false police report, report to perjury, fraud, criminal libel, and conspiracy to commit murder (as assisted suicide was definitely not legal when this film was made), and remains an illegal act in Texas), everyone involved in the scheme is a multiple felon. No journalist, regardless of their political feelings, is going to pass up reporting on that kind of story.



* On the more meta level, this film did a massive disservice to the anti-death-penalty position, as it presented adherents as being so deranged as to require a completely contrived fantasy situation to justify their stance against it.

to:

* On the more meta level, this film did a massive disservice to the anti-death-penalty position, as it presented adherents as being so deranged as to require a completely contrived fantasy situation to justify their stance against it, despite favoring that view. That's precisely why Creator/RogerEbert savaged it.



** More to the point, what's to say that his lawyer wouldn't voir dire the "right" jury and land him a sentence of life without parole?

to:

** More to the point, what's who's to say that his lawyer wouldn't voir dire the "right" jury and land him a sentence of life without parole?


Added DiffLines:

*** Jurors have to be "death qualified", meaning confirm that they are willing to vote for death if the defendant is convicted. Studies have shown that those so qualified are also more likely to convict overall. So this was a fair bet, especially aided by poor counsel and quite a brutal (apparent) rape-murder.
Is there an issue? Send a MessageReason:
None


* On the more meta level, this film did a massive disservice to the anti-death-penalty position, as it presented adherents as being so deranged as to require a completely contrived situation to justify their stance against it.

to:

* On the more meta level, this film did a massive disservice to the anti-death-penalty position, as it presented adherents as being so deranged as to require a completely contrived fantasy situation to justify their stance against it.

Added: 668

Changed: 226

Is there an issue? Send a MessageReason:
None


** Remember, that Gale and associates have committed multiple crimes. From as trivial as filing a false police report, to perjury, fraud, criminal libel, and conspiracy to commit murder (as assisted suicide was definitely not legal when this film was made), everyone involved in the scheme is a multiple felon. No journalist, regardless of their political feelings, is going to pass up reporting on that kind of story.




to:

* On the more meta level, this film did a massive disservice to the anti-death-penalty position, as it presented adherents as being so deranged as to require a completely contrived situation to justify their stance against it.


Added DiffLines:

*** All it takes is one person to avoid the death penalty, which is required to be unanimous, just like the verdict. That's not a good bet to make that there won't be one person on a jury that will think Gale did it but doesn't deserve to die for it.
Is there an issue? Send a MessageReason:
None

Added DiffLines:

*** His lawyer was in on the scheme, and intentionally represented him poorly as part of it.
Is there an issue? Send a MessageReason:
None

Added DiffLines:

*** Moreover, there's every reason to have Dusty charged for some equivalent to "perverting the course of justice", and journalistic ethics wouldn't prevent going to the police with that (even if they might prevent using it as part of a story).


Added DiffLines:

** More to the point, what's to say that his lawyer wouldn't voir dire the "right" jury and land him a sentence of life without parole?
Is there an issue? Send a MessageReason:
None


* As a rather dark example of FridgeBrilliance, the plot of the movie makes more sense if you look at it as a pair of lonely, deeply depressed friends-one dying of an incurable illness, one ruined by false accusations and an unhappy marriage-agreeing to kill themselves in a suicide pact, and using a protest against capital punishment as an excuse for their decision. Especially when you consider that if and when Constance dies of leukemia, David will lose his only real friend and have even less to live for.

to:

* As a rather dark example of FridgeBrilliance, the plot of the movie makes more sense if you look at it as a pair of lonely, deeply depressed friends-one dying of an incurable illness, one ruined by false accusations and an unhappy marriage-agreeing a divorce-agreeing to kill themselves in a suicide pact, and using a protest against capital punishment as an excuse for their decision. Especially when you consider that if and when Constance dies of leukemia, David will lose his only real friend and have even less to live for.
Is there an issue? Send a MessageReason:
None

Added DiffLines:

**** That is, of course, assuming that all journalists keep to this code of ethics, which is debatable at best. Just as many journalists work hard to conceal the truth, especially on an issue as politically and socially charged as this, as try to reveal it, whether by diversion or some other method. There is every chance that Bitsy ''will'' keep it "off the record"; it just depends on how she feels about it.

Added: 39

Changed: 1031

Is there an issue? Send a MessageReason:
None


* As a rather dark example of FridgeBrilliance, the plot of the movie makes more sense if you look at it as a pair of lonely, deeply depressed friends- one dying of an incurable illness, one ruined by false accusations and an unhappy marriage- agreeing to kill themselves in a suicide pact, and using a protest against capital punishment as an excuse for their decision. Especially when you consider that if and when Constance dies of leukaemia, David will lose his only real friend and have even less to live for.

to:

** No one except his wife knows. It hasn't been exposed to anyone besides her.
* As a rather dark example of FridgeBrilliance, the plot of the movie makes more sense if you look at it as a pair of lonely, deeply depressed friends- one friends-one dying of an incurable illness, one ruined by false accusations and an unhappy marriage- agreeing marriage-agreeing to kill themselves in a suicide pact, and using a protest against capital punishment as an excuse for their decision. Especially when you consider that if and when Constance dies of leukaemia, leukemia, David will lose his only real friend and have even less to live for.
** A fair interpretation of the events.
Is there an issue? Send a MessageReason:
None



to:

* As a rather dark example of FridgeBrilliance, the plot of the movie makes more sense if you look at it as a pair of lonely, deeply depressed friends- one dying of an incurable illness, one ruined by false accusations and an unhappy marriage- agreeing to kill themselves in a suicide pact, and using a protest against capital punishment as an excuse for their decision. Especially when you consider that if and when Constance dies of leukaemia, David will lose his only real friend and have even less to live for.



----

to:

----
Is there an issue? Send a MessageReason:
None


* Gale's entire scheme depends on finding just the right reporter and a whole set of far-from-certain events to occur in order for his story to come out. It's more than a BatmanGambit or even a ThanosGambit, but really a ContrivedCoincidence.

to:

* Gale's entire scheme depends on finding just the right reporter and a whole set of far-from-certain events to occur in order for his story to come out. It's more than a BatmanGambit or even a ThanosGambit, ThanatosGambit, but really a ContrivedCoincidence.
Is there an issue? Send a MessageReason:
None


* Gale and his co-conspirators intentionally involve and unwilling Bitsy and Zack in a conspiracy to commit judicial fraud, then ask them to cover it up.

to:

* Gale and his co-conspirators intentionally involve and an unwilling Bitsy and Zack in a conspiracy to commit judicial fraud, then ask them to cover it up.
Is there an issue? Send a MessageReason:
None

Added DiffLines:

----

Added: 877

Changed: 11

Is there an issue? Send a MessageReason:
None


*** That's what the film makers are trying to promote. In truth, a journalist's ethics would oblige her to reveal the actual story, thus destroying any argument against capital punishment (i.e. Gale had to commit fraud to break the system, so his argument that the system is inherently wrong loses all credibility. You can't claim something doesn't work if intentionally break it). Journalists aren't lawyers or priests - their ethics are to the truth of the story, not to promulgate a fraud in the name of keeping a confidence. Journalism 101.

to:

*** That's what the film makers are trying to promote. In truth, a journalist's ethics would oblige her to reveal the actual story, thus destroying any Gale's argument against capital punishment (i.e. Gale had to commit fraud to break the system, so his argument that the system is inherently wrong loses all credibility. You can't claim something doesn't work if you intentionally break it). Journalists aren't lawyers or priests - their ethics are to the truth of the story, not to promulgate a fraud in the name of keeping a confidence. Journalism 101.101.
* How twisted is it that Gale knowingly gets Bitsy and Zack to watch a woman commit suicide in a horrible manner, all just to promote a political point? Even worse, Dusty letting them see the real suicide tape, knowing they won't make it in time to stop the execution.
* What will Gale's son grow up thinking of his father, now? Either as a murderer or horrible liar?
* Gale and his co-conspirators intentionally involve and unwilling Bitsy and Zack in a conspiracy to commit judicial fraud, then ask them to cover it up.
* How will the exposure of Constance's staged fake rape negatively impact other cases of reported rape?

!!FridgeLogic
* Gale's entire scheme depends on finding just the right reporter and a whole set of far-from-certain events to occur in order for his story to come out. It's more than a BatmanGambit or even a ThanosGambit, but really a ContrivedCoincidence.
Is there an issue? Send a MessageReason:
None


** She can't, due to her obligation as a journalist to David to keep it off the record. So, she'll have to take it to the grave.

to:

** She can't, due to her obligation as a journalist to David to keep it off the record. So, she'll have to take it to the grave.grave.
*** That's what the film makers are trying to promote. In truth, a journalist's ethics would oblige her to reveal the actual story, thus destroying any argument against capital punishment (i.e. Gale had to commit fraud to break the system, so his argument that the system is inherently wrong loses all credibility. You can't claim something doesn't work if intentionally break it). Journalists aren't lawyers or priests - their ethics are to the truth of the story, not to promulgate a fraud in the name of keeping a confidence. Journalism 101.
Is there an issue? Send a MessageReason:
None


* So two people commit suicide to prove a point. What happens when Bitsy exposes the fact that it was a setup?

to:

* So two people commit suicide to prove a point. What happens when Bitsy exposes the fact that it was a setup?setup?
** She can't, due to her obligation as a journalist to David to keep it off the record. So, she'll have to take it to the grave.
Is there an issue? Send a MessageReason:
None


Fridge Horror:

to:

Fridge Horror:!!FridgeHorror:
Is there an issue? Send a MessageReason:
None

Added DiffLines:

Fridge Horror:
* So two people commit suicide to prove a point. What happens when Bitsy exposes the fact that it was a setup?

Top