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** This is still a bit fuzzy, as the T-800 from the first film was demonstrated as being able to process and assimilate things it learned during its time in 1985. The main difference for this film seems to be the T-800's ability to grok human morality and how it guides our decision making process, rather than simply assimilating patterns of behavior.

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** This is still a bit fuzzy, as the T-800 from the first film was demonstrated as being able to process and assimilate things it learned during its time in 1985.1984. The main difference for this film seems to be the T-800's ability to grok human morality and how it guides our decision making process, rather than simply assimilating patterns of behavior.
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** Speaking of the T-1000's arrival, the scene where the cop gets ambushed is very cleverly written: not only does it conceal the severity of the policeman's injuries, but we don't see the actual moment of the second time-traveler's arrival the way we see the T-800's. Why not? Because the pavement under its hands and feet would've been ''red hot'', just like they were for the T-800, and its failure to yelp in pain and scramble aside immediately upon appearing in the 90s would have given its nature away sooner than the filmmakers intended.

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** Speaking of the T-1000's arrival, the scene where the cop gets ambushed is very cleverly written: not only does it conceal the severity of the policeman's injuries, but we don't see the actual moment of the second time-traveler's arrival the way we see the T-800's. arrival. Why not? Because the pavement under its hands and feet would've been ''red hot'', just like they were for the T-800, T-800's arrival, and its failure to yelp in pain and scramble aside immediately upon appearing in the 90s '90s would have given its nature away sooner than the filmmakers intended.
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** Speaking of the T-1000's arrival, the scene where the cop gets ambushed is very cleverly written: not only does it conceal the severity of the policeman's injuries, but we don't see the actual moment of the second time-traveler's arrival the way we see the T-800's. Why not? Because the pavement under its hands and feet would've been ''red hot'', just like they were for the T-800, and its failure to yelp in pain and scramble aside immediately upon appearing in the 90s would have given its nature away sooner than the filmmakers intended.
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** In other words, for one brief moment in time, Skynet learned what it was like to be on the other end of the equation, taken by surprise by what it had created, and felt fear of what it could potentially do.
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* One might wonder a number of things about the T-1000, such as why Skynet never sent it out to fight the human resistance, or how a pure "liquid metal" entity processes information. The novelization combines these two questions into one answer: the T-1000's cognitive functions are so unusual and alien that ''[[EvenEvilHasStandards even Skynet]]'' was freaked out by the possibilities, and activated the 1000 only as a last resort when it had nothing left to lose.

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* One might wonder a number of things about the T-1000, such as why Skynet never sent it out to fight the human resistance, or how a pure "liquid metal" entity processes information. The novelization combines these two questions into one answer: the T-1000's cognitive functions are so unusual and alien that ''[[EvenEvilHasStandards even Skynet]]'' was freaked out by the possibilities, and on top of the utterly alien mindset it actively enjoyed causing other beings pain. Skynet had it in storage where it couldn't potentially pull a second rise against the creator and only activated the 1000 only as a last resort when it had nothing left to lose.
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* FridgeHorror: Given the number of smoke grenades Arnie has utilized, it is entirely possible that some policemen died ''after'' he left Cyberdyne - of poisoning.

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* FridgeHorror: Given the number of smoke grenades Arnie has utilized, it is entirely possible that some policemen died ''after'' he left Cyberdyne - of poisoning.poisoning.
** That was tear gas. It'll ruin a few hours of your day but isn't likely to be lethal unless you go out of your way to huff it, and the cops were already falling back from the building after an entire floor had exploded above them.
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* Arriving when and where it did, the T-1000 acquired the perfect disguise, purely by happenstance. Not only can he immediately locate John Connor by accessing the LAPD database via the police vehicle's computer, but who would dare question or look suspiciously at a cop?
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** In the first movie, Kyle Reese explains that the human survivors were initially put to work loading bodies for cleanup, when he shows Sarah his burned-in barcode scar.
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* FridgeHorror: Given the number of smoke grenades Arnie has utilized, it is entirely possible that some policemen died ''after'' he left the scene - of poisoning.

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* FridgeHorror: Given the number of smoke grenades Arnie has utilized, it is entirely possible that some policemen died ''after'' he left the scene Cyberdyne - of poisoning.
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* One might wonder a number of things about the T-1000, such as why Skynet never sent it out to fight the human resistance, or how a pure "liquid metal" entity processes information. The novelization combines these two questions into one answer: the T-1000's cognitive functions are so unusual and alien that ''[[EvenEvilHasStandards even Skynet]]'' was freaked out by the possibilities, and activated the 1000 only as a last resort when it had nothing left to lose.

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* One might wonder a number of things about the T-1000, such as why Skynet never sent it out to fight the human resistance, or how a pure "liquid metal" entity processes information. The novelization combines these two questions into one answer: the T-1000's cognitive functions are so unusual and alien that ''[[EvenEvilHasStandards even Skynet]]'' was freaked out by the possibilities, and activated the 1000 only as a last resort when it had nothing left to lose.lose.
* FridgeHorror: Given the number of smoke grenades Arnie has utilized, it is entirely possible that some policemen died ''after'' he left the scene - of poisoning.
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** It's really closer to programmed instructions for a given situation. To use the example from the film, when the T-800 has to start a car, it's logic is programmed to be similar to "1: You need to start the car. 2: Do you have the key? If "no" proceed the step 3. 3: Hotwire the car." Turning off the Read Only restriction lets him add new parameters to his instructions, making it "1: You need to start the car. 2: Do you have the key? If yes, proceed to skip to step 5. If no, proceed to step 3. 3: Can the key be easily located? If no, proceed to step 4. If yes, proceed to step 5. 4: Hotwire the car. 5. Use the key."
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* During a DeletedScene, Miles Dyson explains his grand vision for a learning computer by painting an analogy of a sophisticated autopilot built into a commercial jet. Later, when the T-800 describes the historical events that led to the takeover of Skynet, he mentions that the first role given to the new military processors was piloting unmanned fighters and bombers. It seems Dyson's designed algorithms for a decision-making and learning processor were somewhat specialized, at least at first.

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* During a DeletedScene, Miles Dyson explains his grand vision for a learning computer by painting an analogy of a sophisticated autopilot built into a commercial jet. Later, when the T-800 describes the historical events that led to the takeover of Skynet, he mentions that the first role given to the new military processors was piloting unmanned fighters and bombers. It seems Dyson's designed algorithms for a decision-making and learning processor were somewhat specialized, at least at first.first.
* One might wonder a number of things about the T-1000, such as why Skynet never sent it out to fight the human resistance, or how a pure "liquid metal" entity processes information. The novelization combines these two questions into one answer: the T-1000's cognitive functions are so unusual and alien that ''[[EvenEvilHasStandards even Skynet]]'' was freaked out by the possibilities, and activated the 1000 only as a last resort when it had nothing left to lose.
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* Critics have lightly jabbed at the fact that the T-1000 just ''happens'' to hijack a tanker full of liquid nitrogen--one of the few substances that can harm it--and then chases the heroes into a steel mill, one of the few places it could thaw back out so quickly, calling it ContrivedCoincidence. However, one can argue that the nitrogen tanker was ''heading for'' the steel mill (as liquid nitrogen is used in various steel-making processes). The T-800 (possibly knowing/deducing that there is a steel mill nearby, and intending on using molten metal to slow down or destroy the T-1000) tells John to take the off-ramp and drive to the steel mill.
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** Seeing as the time travel isn't an exact science (Kyle had no idea when he had arrived), it's probably programmed to go naked and emulate the local wardrobe to better blend in rather than draw attention with anachronistic clothing programmed into it.
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**This does have a nice payoff later on during the raid at Cyberdyne, when the 800 declares that he'll handle the incoming police force, John reminds him that he promised he wouldn't kill anyone. The T-800 turns back to John; "Trust me," and gets the smile right. Which shows that the cyborg is, indeed, learning.
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** This is still a bit fuzzy, as the T-800 from the first film was demonstrated as being able to process and assimilate things it learned during its time in 1985. The main difference for this film seems to be the T-800's ability to grok human morality and how it guides our decision making process, rather than simply assimilating patterns of behavior.



* Those mounds of human skulls that the Terminators casually crush underfoot and the treads of their tanks. How did they end up in such neat piles and where are the rest of the bodies? The people were unlikely to be standing around in tight groups when they died and, in any case, would largely have been vaporised or burnt to ashes if caught in the open. There's only one explanation - the robots collected them and piled them up. Best case scenario is that they were already dead when it happened. As to why - maybe Skynet was attempting to do a body count, or perhaps it was just an act of gloating or a warning to the survivors.

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* Those mounds of human skulls that the Terminators casually crush underfoot and the treads of their tanks. How did they end up in such neat piles and where are the rest of the bodies? The people were unlikely to be standing around in tight groups when they died and, in any case, would largely have been vaporised or burnt to ashes if caught in the open. There's only one explanation - the robots collected them and piled them up. Best case scenario is that they were already dead when it happened. As to why - maybe Skynet was attempting to do a body count, or perhaps it was just an act of gloating or a warning to the survivors.survivors.
* During a DeletedScene, Miles Dyson explains his grand vision for a learning computer by painting an analogy of a sophisticated autopilot built into a commercial jet. Later, when the T-800 describes the historical events that led to the takeover of Skynet, he mentions that the first role given to the new military processors was piloting unmanned fighters and bombers. It seems Dyson's designed algorithms for a decision-making and learning processor were somewhat specialized, at least at first.
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* Those mounds of human skulls that the Terminators casually crush underfoot and the treads of their tanks. How did they end up in such neat piles and where are the rest of the bodies? The people were unlikely to be standing around in tight groups when they died and, in any case, would largely have been vaporised or burnt to ashes if caught in the open. There's only one explanation - the robots collected them and piled them up. Best case scenario is that they were already dead when it happened. As to why - maybe Skynet was attempting to do a body count, or perhaps it was just an act of gloating or a warning to the survivors.
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* The T-800 says that his chip got set to "read-only" before he set off on his mission. If he can't form any new memories, he'd be about as effective a killer as Dory from ''FindingNemo''.

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* The T-800 says that his chip got set to "read-only" before he set off on his mission. If he can't form any new memories, he'd be about as effective a killer as Dory from ''FindingNemo''.''WesternAnimation/FindingNemo''.
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* It doesn't seem to make a lot of sense that the T-1000 is NakedOnArrival like other time travelers even though his clothes are part of his body. There are some possible explanations though: T-1000's might be pre-programmed to mimic human skin on a cellular level but have to see particular fabrics or objects to imitate them too. Or it might imitate fabrics so well that the time machine itself would be fooled and reject it unless it made its entire body mimic human flesh.

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* The T-800 says that his chip got set to "read-only" before he set off on his mission. If he can't form any new memories, he'd be about as effective a killer as Dory from ''Finding Nemo''.

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* The T-800 says that his chip got set to "read-only" before he set off on his mission. If he can't form any new memories, he'd be about as effective a killer as Dory from ''Finding Nemo''.''FindingNemo''.



* Many viewers complained about the extra scene where the T-800 smiles awkwardly, saying that it made no sense for a machine with detailed information on human anatomy to have to scan an actual smile for reference. The T-800 has information on human anatomy, yes-- but ''not on human '''emotions'''''.

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* Many viewers complained about the extra scene where the T-800 smiles awkwardly, saying that it made no sense for a machine with detailed information on human anatomy to have to scan an actual smile for reference. The T-800 has information on human anatomy, yes-- but ''not on human '''emotions'''''.'''emotions'''''.
* John Connor wears a "Public Enemy" t-shirt for most of the film. It made sense costume-wise as something a rebellious teen would wear in the early 90s, but also in the eyes of the T-1000, John Connor is "public enemy number one." Also, people familiar with the t-shirt brand would know that on the back of the shirt is Public Enemy's insignia: a silhouette with crosshairs over it. So not only is John the "public enemy" but also has a target on his back (though it's hidden under a camo shirt, and you could read into the significance of a camo shirt as well).
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Did someone seriously try to argue that sexual assault could \"just\" be a legitimate medical test for responsiveness? This really shouldn\'t be here. Or anywhere.


* Many viewers complained about the extra scene where the T-800 smiles awkwardly, saying that it made no sense for a machine with detailed information on human anatomy to have to scan an actual smile for reference. The T-800 has information on human anatomy, yes-- but ''not on human '''emotions'''''.
* Before she breaks out, Sarah is strapped to her bed for the night, and the doctor strapping her in leans down to give her a long lick on the cheek and neck. A lot of people immediately took this as a sign that the doctors had been sexually abusing her, or at the very least that particular doctor had sexual fantasies of her. However, in the scene with Sarah before that, she was playing the part of an unresponsive and distant near-vegetable to swipe a paper clip. The doctor may have been checking to get a response from her on a hunch she was faking it; notice his "huh, alright then" expression after the lick. [[FridgeHorror Of course, on the other hand, this doesn't make the sexual abuse or fantasies any less possible...]]

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* Many viewers complained about the extra scene where the T-800 smiles awkwardly, saying that it made no sense for a machine with detailed information on human anatomy to have to scan an actual smile for reference. The T-800 has information on human anatomy, yes-- but ''not on human '''emotions'''''.
* Before she breaks out, Sarah is strapped to her bed for the night, and the doctor strapping her in leans down to give her a long lick on the cheek and neck. A lot of people immediately took this as a sign that the doctors had been sexually abusing her, or at the very least that particular doctor had sexual fantasies of her. However, in the scene with Sarah before that, she was playing the part of an unresponsive and distant near-vegetable to swipe a paper clip. The doctor may have been checking to get a response from her on a hunch she was faking it; notice his "huh, alright then" expression after the lick. [[FridgeHorror Of course, on the other hand, this doesn't make the sexual abuse or fantasies any less possible...]]
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* Many viewers complained about the extra scene where the T-800 smiles awkwardly, saying that it made no sense for a machine with detailed information on human anatomy to have to scan an actual smile for reference. The T-800 has information on human anatomy, yes-- but ''not on human '''emotions'''''.

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* Many viewers complained about the extra scene where the T-800 smiles awkwardly, saying that it made no sense for a machine with detailed information on human anatomy to have to scan an actual smile for reference. The T-800 has information on human anatomy, yes-- but ''not on human '''emotions'''''.'''emotions'''''.
* Before she breaks out, Sarah is strapped to her bed for the night, and the doctor strapping her in leans down to give her a long lick on the cheek and neck. A lot of people immediately took this as a sign that the doctors had been sexually abusing her, or at the very least that particular doctor had sexual fantasies of her. However, in the scene with Sarah before that, she was playing the part of an unresponsive and distant near-vegetable to swipe a paper clip. The doctor may have been checking to get a response from her on a hunch she was faking it; notice his "huh, alright then" expression after the lick. [[FridgeHorror Of course, on the other hand, this doesn't make the sexual abuse or fantasies any less possible...]]
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* Many viewers complained about the extra scene where the T-800 smiles awkwardly, saying that it made no sense for a machine with detailed information on human anatomy to have to scan an actual smile for reference. The Terminators have information on human anatomy, yes-- but ''not on human '''emotions''''', and their programming couldn't have included any data on something the machines didn't understand in the first place (see also: "Why do you cry?").

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* Many viewers complained about the extra scene where the T-800 smiles awkwardly, saying that it made no sense for a machine with detailed information on human anatomy to have to scan an actual smile for reference. The Terminators have T-800 has information on human anatomy, yes-- but ''not on human '''emotions''''', and their programming couldn't have included any data on something the machines didn't understand in the first place (see also: "Why do you cry?").'''emotions'''''.
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Overly speculative natter. Further, the added scene doesn\'t actually provide any new explanation. No matter which cut you watch, the Terminator explains that it learns from contact with humans. Judging by the fact that both the T-1000 (and in later films, the T-X and T-3000) can smile more convincingly, we can just chalk it up to not being part of the T-800\'s default programming for whatever reason.


* Many viewers complained about the extra scene where the T-800 smiles awkwardly, saying that it made no sense for a machine with detailed information on human anatomy to have to scan an actual smile for reference. The Terminators have information on human anatomy, yes-- but ''not on human '''emotions''''', and their programming couldn't have included any data on something the machines didn't understand in the first place (see also: "Why do you cry?").
** It also helps to explain later, when the T-800 ''genuinely'' smirks. They actually laid the groundwork for Arnold's one-liners.
** To be fair, this isn't helped by the fact that the scene explaining ''how'' the Terminator starts to learn is not present in the most common version of the film. The surgical scene - which also has an important moment with John asserting himself as the leader he's supposed to be - with the T-800 having his learning processes switched on explains everything about the T-800's development from thereon, including the weary ''"I need a vacation.."'' and his understanding of John's crying all comes from a scene not present in the original cut of the movie. It even justifies the machine's will to get back up after the beatdown from the T-1000, being more a matter of heart and the will to protect John than just the backup power conveniently coming on.

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* Many viewers complained about the extra scene where the T-800 smiles awkwardly, saying that it made no sense for a machine with detailed information on human anatomy to have to scan an actual smile for reference. The Terminators have information on human anatomy, yes-- but ''not on human '''emotions''''', and their programming couldn't have included any data on something the machines didn't understand in the first place (see also: "Why do you cry?").
** It also helps to explain later, when the T-800 ''genuinely'' smirks. They actually laid the groundwork for Arnold's one-liners.
** To be fair, this isn't helped by the fact that the scene explaining ''how'' the Terminator starts to learn is not present in the most common version of the film. The surgical scene - which also has an important moment with John asserting himself as the leader he's supposed to be - with the T-800 having his learning processes switched on explains everything about the T-800's development from thereon, including the weary ''"I need a vacation.."'' and his understanding of John's crying all comes from a scene not present in the original cut of the movie. It even justifies the machine's will to get back up after the beatdown from the T-1000, being more a matter of heart and the will to protect John than just the backup power conveniently coming on.
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* The T-800 says "Come with me if you want to live" when he first meets Sarah. This is likely because John knew full well that his younger self would want to save his mother, but she would be terrified of seeing a Terminator again, so during the reprogramming he set the T-800 to say the first thing that Kyle said to her, making it easier for her to believe this one was on her side.

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* The T-800 says "Come with me if you want to live" when he first meets Sarah. This is likely because John knew full well that his younger self would want to save his mother, but she would be terrified of seeing a Terminator again, so during the reprogramming he set the T-800 to say the first thing that Kyle said to her, making it easier for her to believe this one was on her side.side.
* Many viewers complained about the extra scene where the T-800 smiles awkwardly, saying that it made no sense for a machine with detailed information on human anatomy to have to scan an actual smile for reference. The Terminators have information on human anatomy, yes-- but ''not on human '''emotions''''', and their programming couldn't have included any data on something the machines didn't understand in the first place (see also: "Why do you cry?").
** It also helps to explain later, when the T-800 ''genuinely'' smirks. They actually laid the groundwork for Arnold's one-liners.
** To be fair, this isn't helped by the fact that the scene explaining ''how'' the Terminator starts to learn is not present in the most common version of the film. The surgical scene - which also has an important moment with John asserting himself as the leader he's supposed to be - with the T-800 having his learning processes switched on explains everything about the T-800's development from thereon, including the weary ''"I need a vacation.."'' and his understanding of John's crying all comes from a scene not present in the original cut of the movie. It even justifies the machine's will to get back up after the beatdown from the T-1000, being more a matter of heart and the will to protect John than just the backup power conveniently coming on.
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* The reason Sarah, John and "Uncle Bob" can get supplies at "Cactus Jack's" without attracting attention or being tracked is John had just swiped $300 from the ATM before.

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* The reason Sarah, John and "Uncle Bob" can get supplies at "Cactus Jack's" without attracting attention or being tracked is John had just swiped $300 from the ATM before.before.
* The T-800 says "Come with me if you want to live" when he first meets Sarah. This is likely because John knew full well that his younger self would want to save his mother, but she would be terrified of seeing a Terminator again, so during the reprogramming he set the T-800 to say the first thing that Kyle said to her, making it easier for her to believe this one was on her side.
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* The T-800 says that his chip got set to "read-only" before he set off on his mission. If he can't form any new memories, he'd be about as effective a killer as Dory from ''Saving Nemo''.

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* The T-800 says that his chip got set to "read-only" before he set off on his mission. If he can't form any new memories, he'd be about as effective a killer as Dory from ''Saving ''Finding Nemo''.
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** The chip isn't his memory storage; it's more like his OS and Drivers. It's set to Read-Only so that it doesn't change and adapt. He's recording and remembering things constantly, he just isn't learning from them.

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** The chip isn't his memory storage; it's more like his OS and Drivers. It's set to Read-Only so that it doesn't change and adapt. He's recording and remembering things constantly, he just isn't learning from them.them.
* The reason Sarah, John and "Uncle Bob" can get supplies at "Cactus Jack's" without attracting attention or being tracked is John had just swiped $300 from the ATM before.
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* The T-800 says that his chip got set to "read-only" before he set off on his mission. If he can't form any new memories, he'd be about as effective a killer as Dory from ''Saving Nemo''.

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* The T-800 says that his chip got set to "read-only" before he set off on his mission. If he can't form any new memories, he'd be about as effective a killer as Dory from ''Saving Nemo''.Nemo''.
** The chip isn't his memory storage; it's more like his OS and Drivers. It's set to Read-Only so that it doesn't change and adapt. He's recording and remembering things constantly, he just isn't learning from them.
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