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* [[AC:FridgeBrilliance]] When Vegeta says he's "known stronger houseplants" than Hercule Satan at first it sounds like typical Vegeta talk, but remember Vegeta was held in bondage by Frieza nearly his whole life. During that time he conquered thousands of planets and killed entire civilizations so ''maybe'' there ''was'' a planet whose populace had some form of plantlife to safeguard their homes.
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* [[AC:FridgeBrilliance]] When Vegeta says he's "known stronger houseplants" than Hercule Satan at first it sounds like typical Vegeta talk, but remember Vegeta was held in bondage by Frieza nearly his whole life. During that time he conquered thousands of planets and killed entire civilizations so ''maybe'' there ''was'' a planet whose populace had some form of plantlife to safeguard their homes.homes.
** Or maybe he actually fought PlantPeople who managed to put up a decent fight.
** Or maybe he actually fought PlantPeople who managed to put up a decent fight.
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** Goku was expecting Gohan to go berserk like he always did when he got angry in the past and attack until Cell stopped moving. Goku implied going into the Room of Spirit and Time a second time wouldn't have given them the same results as their first trip, which explains why Vegeta and Trunks were still weaker than Goku and Gohan after their second trip into the room. Goku's plan is still reckless, but there was some logic to his reasoning.
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** Goku was expecting Gohan to go berserk like he always did when he got angry in the past and attack until Cell stopped moving. Goku implied going into the Room of Spirit and Time a second time wouldn't have given them the same results as their first trip, which explains why Vegeta and Trunks were still weaker than Goku and Gohan after their second trip into the room. Goku's plan is still reckless, but there was some logic to his reasoning. reasoning.
** Goku knew that Gohan was powerful enough to beat Cell (see when Gohan snaps when Raditz attacks and his power level ''exceeds'' Raditz's own), it was just a matter of getting him to draw it out, which Gohan very nearly failed to do, and he nearly payed for it with his life. When Piccolo points out that Gohan is NOT the BloodKnight that the full-blooded Saiyans are, Goku suitably has a MyGodWhatHaveIDone moment as he's watching Cell beat Gohan to death.
** Goku knew that Gohan was powerful enough to beat Cell (see when Gohan snaps when Raditz attacks and his power level ''exceeds'' Raditz's own), it was just a matter of getting him to draw it out, which Gohan very nearly failed to do, and he nearly payed for it with his life. When Piccolo points out that Gohan is NOT the BloodKnight that the full-blooded Saiyans are, Goku suitably has a MyGodWhatHaveIDone moment as he's watching Cell beat Gohan to death.
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* Fusion is a bit a fridge horror depending on the circumstances. Now with Vegito, Gogeta, and Gotenks the merges are depicted as harmonious. The Fused being in those cases view themselves as a seperate entity from the original fusees. However when Shin and Kibito fused as well as shin's ancestor Kai and the witch it wasn't harmonious. Kibitoshin is essentially a taller Shin and the Elder Kai is simply that. What happened to Kibito and the witch?
** For Old Kai we aren't really shown what he or was like before their fusion, the 2 before and after fusing could be barely any different people for all we know. As for Kibito, from what we see of him it seems like he's pretty much Supreme Kai's scyophantic yes man, he does whatever Supreme Kai wants without question, so the idea that after being fused that Kibito would be taking anywhere near as much control over the fused body that Supreme Kai does is pretty ridiculous. In short, Kibito's probably still there, but he's content letting the Supreme Kai call the shots. It's probably the same reason why Kibito Kai doesn't use the fusion voice either, it's anyone's guess why Old Kai doesn't.
*** Makes sense, IIRC Kibito Kai is occasionally referred to as the Supreme Kai as well. It might just be Kibito's humility. Though it's strange that the two fused Kaioshin in the show are both depicted as dominant fusees.
** For Old Kai we aren't really shown what he or was like before their fusion, the 2 before and after fusing could be barely any different people for all we know. As for Kibito, from what we see of him it seems like he's pretty much Supreme Kai's scyophantic yes man, he does whatever Supreme Kai wants without question, so the idea that after being fused that Kibito would be taking anywhere near as much control over the fused body that Supreme Kai does is pretty ridiculous. In short, Kibito's probably still there, but he's content letting the Supreme Kai call the shots. It's probably the same reason why Kibito Kai doesn't use the fusion voice either, it's anyone's guess why Old Kai doesn't.
*** Makes sense, IIRC Kibito Kai is occasionally referred to as the Supreme Kai as well. It might just be Kibito's humility. Though it's strange that the two fused Kaioshin in the show are both depicted as dominant fusees.
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* Fusion is a bit a fridge horror depending on the circumstances. Now with Vegito, Vegetto, Gogeta, and Gotenks the merges are depicted as harmonious. The Fused being in those cases view themselves as a seperate separate entity from the original fusees. However However, when Shin and Kibito fused as well as shin's Shin's ancestor Kai and the witch it wasn't harmonious. Kibitoshin is essentially a taller Shin and the Elder Kai is simply that. What happened to Kibito and the witch?
** For Old Kai we aren't really shown what he or was like before their fusion, the 2 before and after fusing could be barely any different people for all we know. As for Kibito, from what we see of him it seems like he's pretty much Supreme Kai'sscyophantic sycophantic yes man, he does whatever Supreme Kai wants without question, so the idea that after being fused that Kibito would be taking anywhere near as much control over the fused body that Supreme Kai does is pretty ridiculous. In short, Kibito's probably still there, but he's content letting the Supreme Kai call the shots. It's probably the same reason why Kibito Kai doesn't use the fusion voice either, it's anyone's guess why Old Kai doesn't.
*** Makes sense, IIRC Kibito Kai is occasionally referred to as the Supreme Kai as well. It might just be Kibito's humility. Though it's strange that the two fusedKaioshin Kaioushin in the show are both depicted as dominant fusees.
** For Old Kai we aren't really shown what he or was like before their fusion, the 2 before and after fusing could be barely any different people for all we know. As for Kibito, from what we see of him it seems like he's pretty much Supreme Kai's
*** Makes sense, IIRC Kibito Kai is occasionally referred to as the Supreme Kai as well. It might just be Kibito's humility. Though it's strange that the two fused
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** The Capsules. Ranging from practical (cars and house), to threatening (Launch being able to carry an entire armory of guns in her POCKET) to more horrorific things like being able to hide dead bodies inside capsules (as Bulma does to Krillin after his [[spoiler:first]] death, and later [[spoiler: Master Roshi and Chiaotzu]]. If Bulma can easily place Krillin's body in a freezer capsule, turn the freezer into a capsule with HIM inside, you have to wonder how many potential unsolved murders there are. Presumably you could hide LIVING people inside a capsule. If not by simply pressing the button with them inside while they're alive, [[spoiler: killing them, placing the body in a capsule, shrinking the capsule, and then resurrecting them with the Dragon Balls, without taking the body out. Given the accessibility of capsules in-universe, this could be done just about ANY DAY of the week.]]
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** The Capsules. Ranging from practical (cars and house), to threatening (Launch being able to carry an entire armory of guns in her POCKET) to more horrorific horrific things like being able to hide dead bodies inside capsules (as Bulma does to Krillin after his [[spoiler:first]] death, and later [[spoiler: Master Roshi and Chiaotzu]]. If Bulma can easily place Krillin's body in a freezer capsule, turn the freezer into a capsule with HIM inside, you have to wonder how many potential unsolved murders there are. Presumably you could hide LIVING people inside a capsule. If not by simply pressing the button with them inside while they're alive, [[spoiler: killing them, placing the body in a capsule, shrinking the capsule, and then resurrecting them with the Dragon Balls, without taking the body out. Given the accessibility of capsules in-universe, this could be done just about ANY DAY of the week.]]
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** Goku was expecting Gohan to go beserk like he always did when he got angry in the past and attack until Cell stopped moving. Goku implied going into the Room of Spirit and Time a second time wouldn't have given them the same results as their first trip, which explains why Vegeta and Trunks were still weaker than Goku and Gohan after their second trip into the room. Goku's plan is still reckless, but there was some logic to his reasoning.
* When you ''really'' think about it Goku (by Saiyan standards) is retarded.
** Well, hitting your soft, squishy baby head on something hard tends to have long-term affects well into adulthood.
* In the Buu arc the Superme Kai casually explains that all the Supreme Kais could easily kill Freeza. This means that he not only knew who Freeza was, but how powerful he was. Basically he allowed Freeza to destroy and enslaves planets and races, fully aware that he could have stopped all of this, but decided not to do anything. The Supreme Kais did actually try to stop Buu who was destroying the universe. Buu traveled to Other World in the anime and fought and killed the Kais. This means that the noble Kais only actuall fought Buu to save their own skin and that they don't care about the mortal world at all. It would explain why the last Supreme Kai left Freeza do whatever he liked.'
* When you ''really'' think about it Goku (by Saiyan standards) is retarded.
** Well, hitting your soft, squishy baby head on something hard tends to have long-term affects well into adulthood.
* In the Buu arc the Superme Kai casually explains that all the Supreme Kais could easily kill Freeza. This means that he not only knew who Freeza was, but how powerful he was. Basically he allowed Freeza to destroy and enslaves planets and races, fully aware that he could have stopped all of this, but decided not to do anything. The Supreme Kais did actually try to stop Buu who was destroying the universe. Buu traveled to Other World in the anime and fought and killed the Kais. This means that the noble Kais only actuall fought Buu to save their own skin and that they don't care about the mortal world at all. It would explain why the last Supreme Kai left Freeza do whatever he liked.'
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** Goku was expecting Gohan to go beserk berserk like he always did when he got angry in the past and attack until Cell stopped moving. Goku implied going into the Room of Spirit and Time a second time wouldn't have given them the same results as their first trip, which explains why Vegeta and Trunks were still weaker than Goku and Gohan after their second trip into the room. Goku's plan is still reckless, but there was some logic to his reasoning.
* When you ''really'' think aboutit it, Goku (by Saiyan standards) is retarded.
** Well, hitting your soft, squishy baby head on something hard tends to have long-termaffects effects well into adulthood.
* In the Buu arc theSuperme Supreme Kai casually explains that all the Supreme Kais could easily kill Freeza. Frieza. This means that he not only knew who Freeza Frieza was, but how powerful he was. Basically Basically, he allowed Freeza Frieza to destroy and enslaves enslave planets and races, fully aware that he could have stopped all of this, but decided not to do anything. The Supreme Kais did actually try to stop Buu Buu, who was destroying the universe. Buu traveled to Other World in the anime and fought and killed the Kais. This means that the noble Kais only actuall actually fought Buu to save their own skin and that they don't care about the mortal world at all. It would explain why the last Supreme Kai left Freeza Frieza do whatever 'whatever he liked.'
* When you ''really'' think about
** Well, hitting your soft, squishy baby head on something hard tends to have long-term
* In the Buu arc the
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* [[AC:FridgeBrilliance]] When Vegeta says he's "known stronger houseplants" than Hercule Satan at first it sounds like typical Vegeta talk, but remember Vegeta was held in bondage by Frieza nearly his whole life. During that time he conquered millions thousands of planets and killed entire civilizations so ''maybe'' there ''was'' a planet whose populace had some form of plantlife to safeguard their homes.
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* [[AC:FridgeBrilliance]] When Vegeta says he's "known stronger houseplants" than Hercule Satan at first it sounds like typical Vegeta talk, but remember Vegeta was held under Frieza's control nearly his whole life. During that time he conquered millions of planets and killed entire civilizations so ''maybe'' there ''was'' a planet whose populace had some form of plantlife to safeguard their homes.
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* [[AC:FridgeBrilliance]] When Vegeta says he's "known stronger houseplants" than Hercule Satan at first it sounds like typical Vegeta talk, but remember Vegeta was held under Frieza's control in bondage by Frieza nearly his whole life. During that time he conquered millions of planets and killed entire civilizations so ''maybe'' there ''was'' a planet whose populace had some form of plantlife to safeguard their homes.
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* [[AC:FridgeBrilliance]] When Vegeta says he's "known stronger houseplants" than Hercule Satan at first it sounds like typical Vegeta talk, but remember Vegeta was held under Frieza's rein nearly his whole life. During that time he conquered millions of planets and killed entire civilizations so ''maybe'' there ''was'' a planet whose populace had some form of plantlife to safeguard their homes.
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* [[AC:FridgeBrilliance]] When Vegeta says he's "known stronger houseplants" than Hercule Satan at first it sounds like typical Vegeta talk, but remember Vegeta was held under Frieza's rein control nearly his whole life. During that time he conquered millions of planets and killed entire civilizations so ''maybe'' there ''was'' a planet whose populace had some form of plantlife to safeguard their homes.
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* [[AC:FridgeBrilliance]] When Vegeta says he's "known stronger houseplants" than Hercule Satan at first it sounds like typical Vegeta talk, but remember Vegeta was held under Frieza's bondage nearly his whole life. During that time he conquered millions of planets and killed entire civilizations so ''maybe'' there ''was'' a planet whose populace had some form of plantlife to safeguard their homes.
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* [[AC:FridgeBrilliance]] When Vegeta says he's "known stronger houseplants" than Hercule Satan at first it sounds like typical Vegeta talk, but remember Vegeta was held under Frieza's bondage rein nearly his whole life. During that time he conquered millions of planets and killed entire civilizations so ''maybe'' there ''was'' a planet whose populace had some form of plantlife to safeguard their homes.
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* [[AC:FridgeBrilliance]] When Vegeta says he's "known stronger houseplants" than Hercule Satan it sounds like typical Vegeta talk, but remember Vegeta was held under Frieza's bondage nearly his whole life. During that time he conquered millions of planets and killed entire civilizations so ''maybe'' there ''was'' a planet whose populace had some form of plant-life to safeguard their homes.
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* [[AC:FridgeBrilliance]] When Vegeta says he's "known stronger houseplants" than Hercule Satan at first it sounds like typical Vegeta talk, but remember Vegeta was held under Frieza's bondage nearly his whole life. During that time he conquered millions of planets and killed entire civilizations so ''maybe'' there ''was'' a planet whose populace had some form of plant-life plantlife to safeguard their homes.
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* [[AC:FridgeBrilliance]] When Vegeta says he's "known stronger houseplants" than Hercule Satan it sound like typical Vegeta talk, but remember Vegeta was held under Frieza's bondage nearly his whole life. During that time he conquered millions of planets and killed entire civilizations so ''maybe'' there ''was'' a planet whose populace had some form of plant-life to safeguard their homes.
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* [[AC:FridgeBrilliance]] When Vegeta says he's "known stronger houseplants" than Hercule Satan it sound sounds like typical Vegeta talk, but remember Vegeta was held under Frieza's bondage nearly his whole life. During that time he conquered millions of planets and killed entire civilizations so ''maybe'' there ''was'' a planet whose populace had some form of plant-life to safeguard their homes.
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* [[AC:FridgeBrilliance]] When Vegeta says he's "seen stronger houseplants" than Hercule Satan it sound like typical Vegeta talk, but remember Vegeta was held under Frieza's bondage nearly his whole life. During that time he conquered millions of planets and killed entire civilizations so ''maybe'' there ''was'' a planet whose populace had some form of plant-life to safeguard their homes.
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* [[AC:FridgeBrilliance]] When Vegeta says he's "seen "known stronger houseplants" than Hercule Satan it sound like typical Vegeta talk, but remember Vegeta was held under Frieza's bondage nearly his whole life. During that time he conquered millions of planets and killed entire civilizations so ''maybe'' there ''was'' a planet whose populace had some form of plant-life to safeguard their homes.
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* [[AC:FridgeBrilliance]] When Vegeta says he's "seen stronger houseplants" than Hercule Satan it sound like typical Vegeta talk, but remember Vegeta was held under Frieza's bondage nearly his whole life. During that time he conquered millions of planets and killed entire civilizations so ''maybe'' there was a planet whose populace had some form of plantlife to safeguard their homes.
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* [[AC:FridgeBrilliance]] When Vegeta says he's "seen stronger houseplants" than Hercule Satan it sound like typical Vegeta talk, but remember Vegeta was held under Frieza's bondage nearly his whole life. During that time he conquered millions of planets and killed entire civilizations so ''maybe'' there was ''was'' a planet whose populace had some form of plantlife plant-life to safeguard their homes.
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* When Vegeta says he's "seen stronger houseplants" than Hercule Satan it sound like typical Vegeta talk, but remember Vegeta was held under Frieza's bondage nearly his whole life. During that time he conquered millions of planets and killed entire civilizations so ''maybe'' there was a planet whose populace had some form of plantlife to safeguard their homes.
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** Almost makes you want to root for Buu, if he hadn't gone and destroyed the Earth first.
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** Almost makes you want to root for Buu, if he hadn't gone and destroyed the Earth first.first.
* When Vegeta says he's "seen stronger houseplants" than Hercule Satan it sound like typical Vegeta talk, but remember Vegeta was held under Frieza's bondage nearly his whole life. During that time he conquered millions of planets and killed entire civilizations so ''maybe'' there was a planet whose populace had some form of plantlife to safeguard their homes.
* When Vegeta says he's "seen stronger houseplants" than Hercule Satan it sound like typical Vegeta talk, but remember Vegeta was held under Frieza's bondage nearly his whole life. During that time he conquered millions of planets and killed entire civilizations so ''maybe'' there was a planet whose populace had some form of plantlife to safeguard their homes.
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* In the Buu arc the Superme Kai casually explains that all the Supreme Kais could easily kill Freeza. This means that he not only knew who Freeza was, but how powerful he was. Basically he allowed Freeza to destroy and enslaves planets and races, fully aware that he could have stopped all of this, but decided not to do anything. The Supreme Kais did actually try to stop Buu who was destroying the universe. Buu traveled to Other World in the anime and fought and killed the Kais. This means that the noble Kais only actuall fought Buu to save their own skin and that they don't care about the mortal world at all. It would explain why the last Supreme Kai left Freeza do whatever he liked.
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* In the Buu arc the Superme Kai casually explains that all the Supreme Kais could easily kill Freeza. This means that he not only knew who Freeza was, but how powerful he was. Basically he allowed Freeza to destroy and enslaves planets and races, fully aware that he could have stopped all of this, but decided not to do anything. The Supreme Kais did actually try to stop Buu who was destroying the universe. Buu traveled to Other World in the anime and fought and killed the Kais. This means that the noble Kais only actuall fought Buu to save their own skin and that they don't care about the mortal world at all. It would explain why the last Supreme Kai left Freeza do whatever he liked.'
** Almost makes you want to root for Buu, if he hadn't gone and destroyed the Earth first.
** Almost makes you want to root for Buu, if he hadn't gone and destroyed the Earth first.
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** Well, hitting your soft, squishy baby head on something hard tends to have long-term affects well into adulthood.
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** Well, hitting your soft, squishy baby head on something hard tends to have long-term affects well into adulthood.adulthood.
* In the Buu arc the Superme Kai casually explains that all the Supreme Kais could easily kill Freeza. This means that he not only knew who Freeza was, but how powerful he was. Basically he allowed Freeza to destroy and enslaves planets and races, fully aware that he could have stopped all of this, but decided not to do anything. The Supreme Kais did actually try to stop Buu who was destroying the universe. Buu traveled to Other World in the anime and fought and killed the Kais. This means that the noble Kais only actuall fought Buu to save their own skin and that they don't care about the mortal world at all. It would explain why the last Supreme Kai left Freeza do whatever he liked.
* In the Buu arc the Superme Kai casually explains that all the Supreme Kais could easily kill Freeza. This means that he not only knew who Freeza was, but how powerful he was. Basically he allowed Freeza to destroy and enslaves planets and races, fully aware that he could have stopped all of this, but decided not to do anything. The Supreme Kais did actually try to stop Buu who was destroying the universe. Buu traveled to Other World in the anime and fought and killed the Kais. This means that the noble Kais only actuall fought Buu to save their own skin and that they don't care about the mortal world at all. It would explain why the last Supreme Kai left Freeza do whatever he liked.
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** But it was still reckless. How did he think Gohan could defeat Cell?
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** But it was still reckless. How did he think Gohan could defeat Cell? Cell?
** Goku was expecting Gohan to go beserk like he always did when he got angry in the past and attack until Cell stopped moving. Goku implied going into the Room of Spirit and Time a second time wouldn't have given them the same results as their first trip, which explains why Vegeta and Trunks were still weaker than Goku and Gohan after their second trip into the room. Goku's plan is still reckless, but there was some logic to his reasoning.
** Goku was expecting Gohan to go beserk like he always did when he got angry in the past and attack until Cell stopped moving. Goku implied going into the Room of Spirit and Time a second time wouldn't have given them the same results as their first trip, which explains why Vegeta and Trunks were still weaker than Goku and Gohan after their second trip into the room. Goku's plan is still reckless, but there was some logic to his reasoning.
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** But it was still reckless. How did he think Gohan could defeat Cell?
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* When you ''really'' think about it Goku (by Saiyan standards) is retarded.
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* When you ''really'' think about it Goku (by Saiyan standards) is retarded.retarded.
** Well, hitting your soft, squishy baby head on something hard tends to have long-term affects well into adulthood.
** Well, hitting your soft, squishy baby head on something hard tends to have long-term affects well into adulthood.
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** Goku already knew long before they ever even fought that he was no match for Cell, otherwise Goku probably would have just beaten Cell himself and called it a day. His [[BatmanGambit Batman Gambit]] with Gohan was just a last ditch effort to win.
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** Goku already knew long before they ever even fought that he was no match for Cell, otherwise Goku probably would have just beaten Cell himself and called it a day. His [[BatmanGambit Batman Gambit]] with Gohan was just a last ditch effort to win.win.
* When you ''really'' think about it Goku (by Saiyan standards) is retarded.
* When you ''really'' think about it Goku (by Saiyan standards) is retarded.
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*** Makes sense, IIRC Kibito Kai is occasionally referred to as the Supreme Kai as well. It might just be Kibito's humility.
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*** Makes sense, IIRC Kibito Kai is occasionally referred to as the Supreme Kai as well. It might just be Kibito's humility. Though it's strange that the two fused Kaioshin in the show are both depicted as dominant fusees.
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*** Makes sense, IIRC Kibito Kai is occasionally referred to as the Supreme Kai as well. It might just be Kibito's humility.
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* The fillers before the Cell Games seem like HeartWarming moments...until you realize that Goku's putting the entire fate of the world on his own son, who a) might not be able to gather up enough energy to destroy Cell, and b) ''might not even want to fight Cell''!! This, after he told everyone that even he would be utterly destroyed by Cell! He was really, really lucky Gohan was able to do both (a) and (b) otherwise the world would have been really, really screwed.
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* The fillers before the Cell Games seem like HeartWarming moments...until you realize that Goku's putting the entire fate of the world on his own son, who a) might not be able to gather up enough energy to destroy Cell, and b) ''might not even want to fight Cell''!! This, after he told everyone that even he would be utterly destroyed by Cell! He was really, really lucky Gohan was able to do both (a) and (b) otherwise the world would have been really, really screwed.screwed.
** Goku already knew long before they ever even fought that he was no match for Cell, otherwise Goku probably would have just beaten Cell himself and called it a day. His [[BatmanGambit Batman Gambit]] with Gohan was just a last ditch effort to win.
** Goku already knew long before they ever even fought that he was no match for Cell, otherwise Goku probably would have just beaten Cell himself and called it a day. His [[BatmanGambit Batman Gambit]] with Gohan was just a last ditch effort to win.
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** For Old Kai we aren't really shown what he or was like before their fusion, the 2 before and after fusing could be barely any different people for all we know. As for Kibito, from what we see of him it seems like he's pretty much Supreme Kai's scyophantic yes man, he does whatever Supreme Kai wants without question, so the idea that after being fused that Kibito would be taking anywhere near as much control over the fused body that Supreme Kai does is pretty ridiculous. In short, Kibito's probably still there, but he's content letting the Supreme Kai call the shots. It's probably the same reason why Kibito Kai doesn't use the fusion voice either, it's anyone's guess why Old Kai doesn't.
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* Fusion is a bit a fridge horror depending on the circumstances. Now with Vegito, Gogeta, and Gotenks the merges are depicted as harmonious. The Fused being in those cases view themselves as a seperate entity from the original fusees. However when Shin and Kibito fused as well as shin's ancestor Kai and the witch it wasn't harmonious. Kibitoshin is essentially a taller Shin and the Elder Kai is simply that. What happened to Kibito and the witch?
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* The fillers before the Cell Games seem like HeartWarming moments...until you realize that Goku's banking the entire fate of the world on his own son, who a) might not be able to gather up enough energy to destroy Cell, and b) ''might not even want to fight Cell''!! This, after he told everyone that even he would be utterly destroyed by Cell! He was really, really lucky Gohan was able to do both (a) and (b) otherwise the world would have been really, really screwed.
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* The fillers before the Cell Games seem like HeartWarming moments...until you realize that Goku's banking putting the entire fate of the world on his own son, who a) might not be able to gather up enough energy to destroy Cell, and b) ''might not even want to fight Cell''!! This, after he told everyone that even he would be utterly destroyed by Cell! He was really, really lucky Gohan was able to do both (a) and (b) otherwise the world would have been really, really screwed.
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* The fillers before the Cell Games seem like HeartWarming moments...until you realize that Goku's banking the entire fate of the world on his own son, who a) might not be able to gather up enough energy to destroy Cell, and b) ''might not even want to fight Cell''!! He was really, really lucky Gohan was able to do both of them.
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* The fillers before the Cell Games seem like HeartWarming moments...until you realize that Goku's banking the entire fate of the world on his own son, who a) might not be able to gather up enough energy to destroy Cell, and b) ''might not even want to fight Cell''!! This, after he told everyone that even he would be utterly destroyed by Cell! He was really, really lucky Gohan was able to do both of them.(a) and (b) otherwise the world would have been really, really screwed.
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* The fillers before the Cell Games seem like HeartWarming moments...until you realize that Goku's banking the entire fate of the world on his own son, who a) might not be able to gather up enough energy to destroy Cell, and b) ''might not even want to fight Cell''!! He was really, really lucky Gohan was able to do both of them.
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*** Still leaves Frieza with his galaxy-spanning empire where he's free to kill and destroy anyone he comes across, and might end up on Namek eventually anyway.
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*** But if none of the Z-Fighters died, they would have no reason to plan a trip to Namek, meaning Frieza never overheard their plans to go, meaning he never went there, either.
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** When the others gathered the Dragon Balls after the Cell Games, they wished for everyone killed by Cell to come back to life... leaving all those killed before by Vegeta and Dr. Gero dead.
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* In the Buu saga, Videl [[spoiler:''accidentally'' kicked an opponent's head so hard it snapped his neck]]. Now remember she's on the weak end of the cast, with even the little kids far exceeding her power. You start to realize just how much power these characters have and are holding back.