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* When watching the film alone, Koba pulling off a convincing performance as a dumb ape when interacting with the two guards at the armory may seem a little silly and somewhat out-of-character. [[AllThereInTheManuel After reading tie-in materials]] that explained Koba was born and grew up in a ''circus'' before being transferred to Gen-sys, [[ChekovsSkill it makes perfect sense]].
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* [[spoiler:Koba's LastWords (a BigNo) make him an even more perfect {{Foil}} to Caesar than previously thought. Caesar's first spoken word is also "No", which he spoke to courageously defy Dodge Landon of the first film and launch the apes' breakout from the sanctuary. Koba screamed out his last word of "No" as a selfish, cowardly reaction to his realization that he was going to die. Before that, he had never once used "No" to demonstrate his courage and his compassion for the other apes.]]
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** Also, baby chimps are not as dependent on their mothers as humans are; they're born with significantly better motor skills than we are, and develop significantly faster.
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** As well as the fact that, in such an event, many survivors would be likely to flock to a military base; It's a sturdy shelter, with weapons, supplies, and (most likely) authority figures. The military might even be recruiting survivors to keep numbers up.
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*** Which might make even more sense when [[spoiler:he has an OhCrap face. Caesar [[LoopholeAbuse found a hole in Koba's logic]] and poked it so hard that the code wouldn't apply to him]].
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* [[spoiler:Ash's death was actually foreshadowed. First, he was in shot close ranged by Carver. Then, he was brutally murdered by Koba. Both Carver and Koba are human and ape counterparts to each other.]]
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** [[spoiler:Koba's last words are another Fridge Brilliance. Caesar's main teaching is that ApeShallNeverKillApe, which Koba considers to be weak. If Caesar helps Koba up, Koba will simply kill him. If he lets Koba drop, he will violate all of his teachings. Either way, ''Koba wins''. If he lives, he can just take leadership of the apes again. If he dies, it will mean Caesar will have to live with the fact he violated his main commandment]].
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* Since the Simian Flu broke out millions to billions of humans have died. That being coupled with Will and Caroline's absence... They're most likely dead.

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* Since the Simian Flu broke out millions to billions of humans have died. That being coupled with Will and Caroline's absence... They're most likely dead.dead.
* Rocket [[spoiler:has now lost his (presumably) only child by the murderous hands of one of the apes he called family.]]
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* [[spoiler:Caesar declaring Koba to not be an Ape wasn't a No True Scotsman argument, at least not entirely: Koba cited that Ape shall not kill Ape, but following that logic, Koba having knowingly attempted to kill Caesar, did not consider himself an Ape. Granted, he was entirely willing to overlook that contradiction, but it meant all Caesar was doing was holding Koba to his own words.]]

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* [[spoiler:Caesar declaring Koba to not be an Ape wasn't a No True Scotsman argument, at least not entirely: entirely. Koba cited that Ape shall not kill Ape, Ape; but following that logic, Koba having (having murdered Ash and knowingly attempted to kill Caesar, did not consider himself Caesar) no longer counted as an Ape. Granted, he was entirely willing to overlook that contradiction, but it meant all Caesar was doing was holding Koba to his own words.]]
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*[[spoiler:Caesar declaring Koba to not be an Ape wasn't a No True Scotsman argument, at least not entirely: Koba cited that Ape shall not kill Ape, but following that logic, Koba having knowingly attempted to kill Caesar, did not consider himself an Ape. Granted, he was entirely willing to overlook that contradiction, but it meant all Caesar was doing was holding Koba to his own words.]]
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* Everybody was surprised when they saw that the apes could talk. Most of the audience must have thought: they should have known, it happened in the previous film. But... should they? Apes did not talk during the big fight in the bridge, and only one person heared Caesar's words in the woods. There's Caesar's BigNo, which is recorded, but it may not be enough to start a big social or scientific commotion just yet. People could have thought that it could have been a noise that sounded like a "No", a sound learned by imititation... or, more simply, [[CassandraTruth just a scam video]]. Who would have taken seriously a video with an ape talking? Plus, the big flu must have been distracting everybody away from such mundane concerns.

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* Everybody was surprised when they saw that the apes could talk. Most of the audience must have thought: they should have known, it happened in the previous film. But... should they? Apes did not talk during the big fight in the bridge, and only one person heared heard Caesar's words in the woods. There's Caesar's BigNo, which is recorded, but it may not be enough to start a big social or scientific commotion just yet. People could have thought that it could have been a noise that sounded like a "No", a sound learned by imititation...imitation... or, more simply, [[CassandraTruth just a scam video]]. Who would have taken seriously a video with an ape talking? Plus, the big flu Simian Flu must have been distracting everybody away from such mundane concerns.
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* Doubles as Fridge Heartwarming: Why was Caesar's second son with his father and brother, instead of his mother? Because, as we discover later, Cornelia was [[IllGirl very sick]]. Caesar wanted to let his wife rest and decided watch over their baby son.

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* Doubles as Fridge Heartwarming: Why was Caesar's second son with his father and brother, instead of his mother? Because, as we discover later, Cornelia was [[IllGirl very sick]]. Caesar wanted to let his wife rest a bit and decided watch to over their baby son.
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* Since the Simian Flu broke out millions to billions of humans have died. That being coupled with Will and Caroline's absence... They're most likely dead.
* [[spoiler:What was Koba planning to do to Cornelia after she and the other apes left behind met up with him?]]

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* Since the Simian Flu broke out millions to billions of humans have died. That being coupled with Will and Caroline's absence... They're most likely dead.
* [[spoiler:What was Koba planning to do to Cornelia after she and the other apes left behind met up with him?]]
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* Everybody was surprised when they saw that the apes could talk. Most of the audience must have thought: they should have known, it happened in the previous film. But... should they? Apes did not talk during the big fight in the bridge, and only one person heared Caesar's words in the woods. There's Caesar's BigNo, which is recorded, but it may not be enough to start a big social or scientific commotion just yet. People could have thought that it could have been a noise that sounded like a "No", a sound learned by imititation... or, more simply, [[CassandraTruth just a scam video]]. Who would have taken seriously a video with an ape talking? Plus, the big flu must have been distracting everybody away from such mundane concerns.

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* Doubles as Fridge Heartwarming: Why was Caesar's second son with his father and brother, instead of his mother? Because, as we discover later, Cornelia was [[IllGirl very sick]]. Caesar wanted to let his wife rest and decided watch over their baby son.



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* Given how it's pointed out from the beginning that human civilization crumbled in the 10 years leading up to the film, it might seem like a coincidence that Dreyfus managed to contact [[spoiler:a military base for reinforcements]] rather than, say, another survivor group. That is until one realizes that the C.D.C. in real life (and the U.S. Government in general) is known for anticipating potential dangers to the point of being CrazyPrepared, including a ''zombie apocalypse.'' [[spoiler:Coupled with Dreyfus having a military background, it wouldn't be surprising if there were at least a couple of safe zones and military facilities still functional out there.]]
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* [[spoiler:Just how many innocent people did Koba and his followers kill?.]]

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* Koba tells Blue Eyes that his scars make him strong. Koba recievd his by abusive humans that resulted in his intense hatred for them. [[spoiler:This is a clever foreshadowing of Koba (initial) influence on Blue Eyes's opinion of humans.]]
** Of course, we only have Koba's word that he was abused by humans. [[spoiler: He later told Blue Eyes that humans murdered Caesar and set fire to the ape village...]]
** We actually have the first movie to confirm his torture at the hands of humans, as well as Caesar's own comments on it. Also the fact that he doesn't have any reason to lie about that particular incident, future lies notwithstanding. Plus the scars from acid and cutting all over his body.

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* Koba tells Blue Eyes that his scars make him strong. Koba recievd received his by from abusive humans that humans, which resulted in his intense hatred for them. [[spoiler:This is a clever foreshadowing of Koba Koba's (initial) influence on Blue Eyes's opinion of humans.]]
** Of course, we only have Koba's word that he was abused by humans. [[spoiler: He later told Blue Eyes that humans murdered Caesar and set fire to the ape village...]]
** We actually have the first movie to confirm his torture at the hands of humans, as well as Caesar's own comments on it. Also the fact that he doesn't have any reason to lie about that particular incident, future lies notwithstanding. Plus the scars from acid and cutting all over his body.
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** We actually have the first movie to confirm his torture at the hands of humans, as well as Caesar's own comments on it. Also the fact that he doesn't have any reason to lie about that particular incident, future lies notwithstanding.

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** We actually have the first movie to confirm his torture at the hands of humans, as well as Caesar's own comments on it. Also the fact that he doesn't have any reason to lie about that particular incident, future lies notwithstanding. Plus the scars from acid and cutting all over his body.
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**We actually have the first movie to confirm his torture at the hands of humans, as well as Caesar's own comments on it. Also the fact that he doesn't have any reason to lie about that particular incident, future lies notwithstanding.
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* [[spoiler:How much pain was Caesar in after getting shot by Koba? That being said, what kind of pain did he go through when Ellie was fixing him since their was no morphine.]]
* Since the Simina Flu broke out millions to billions of humans have died? That being couples with Will and Caroline's absent... They're most likely dead.

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* [[spoiler:How much pain was Caesar in after getting shot by Koba? That being said, what kind of pain did he go through when Ellie was fixing him since their there was no morphine.]]
* Since the Simina Simian Flu broke out millions to billions of humans have died? died. That being couples coupled with Will and Caroline's absent...absence... They're most likely dead.
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* If anyone is surprised by the apes eating meat and fruit it's completely true in real life; in fact that chimps are classified as omnivores. [[http://www.allaboutwildlife.com/what-do-chimps-eat Check out this post on them and eating habits.]]

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* If anyone is surprised by the apes eating meat and fruit it's completely true in real life; in fact that chimps are classified as omnivores. [[http://www.allaboutwildlife.com/what-do-chimps-eat Check out this post on them and eating habits.]]
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* Since the Simina Flu broke out millions to billions of humans have died? That being said couples with Will and Caroline's absent... They're most likely dead.

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** Of course, we only have Koba's word that he was abused by humans. [[spoiler: He later told Blue Eyes that humans murdered Caesar and set fire to the ape village...]]
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* If anyone is surprised by the apes eating meat and fruit it's completely true in real life; in fact that chimps are classified as omnivores. [[http://www.allaboutwildlife.com/what-do-chimps-eat Check out this post on them and eating habits.]]
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* Koba tells Blue Eyes that his scars make him strong. Koba recievd his by abusive humans that resulted in his intense hatred for them. [[spoiler:This is a clever foreshadowing of Koba (initial) influence on Blue Eyes's opinion of humans.]]

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* [[spoiler:Just how many innocent people did Koba and his followers kill?.]]
* [[spoiler:How much pain was Caesar in after getting shot by Koba? That being said, what kind of pain did he go through when Ellie was fixing him since their was no morphine.]]
* Since the Simina Flu broke out millions to billions of humans have died? That being said couples with Will and Caroline's absent... They're most likely dead.

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