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* Doubles as Fridge Heartwarming: Why was Caesar's second son with his father and brother, instead of his mother? Because, as we discover later, Cornelia was [[SicklyAndDelicate very sick]]. Caesar wanted to let his wife rest a bit and decided watch to over their baby son.

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* Doubles as Fridge Heartwarming: Why was Caesar's second son with his father and brother, instead of his mother? Because, as we discover later, Cornelia was [[SicklyAndDelicate [[DelicateAndSickly very sick]]. Caesar wanted to let his wife rest a bit and decided watch to over their baby son.
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* Even if the peace between humans and apes remained intact, a couple of years later the Colony would have caught a special strain of Simian Flu which renders people mute.

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* Even if the peace between humans and apes remained intact, a couple of years later the Colony settlement inhabitants would have caught a special strain of Simian Flu which renders people mute.
and become mute. Even worse, considering the Colonel's attitude towards the apes and their human supporters, making contact with him would bring a lot of problems to the Colony even without Koba starting the conflict.

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* Koba is a bonobo, an ape soecies that is known for being peaceful and sociable unlike their more violent and warlike cousin the chimp: which Caesar is. Both Caesar and Koba have defied the very nature of their respective species due to their intelligence granting them morality: Caesar ''chose'' peace and compassion, and Koba ''chose'' hatred and violence.

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* Koba is a bonobo, an ape soecies that is known for being peaceful and sociable unlike their more violent and warlike cousin the chimp: which Caesar is. Both Caesar and Koba have defied the very nature of their respective species due to their differing upbringings and their intelligence granting them morality: Caesar was raised by loving humans and thus ''chose'' peace and compassion, and while Koba was raised by abusive humans and thus ''chose'' hatred and violence.


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** It's also worth noting that Koba starts doing the trick after one of the guards calls him a "son of a bitch." Only one other human has ever called Koba that; Tommy, the man who taught him those tricks.
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* Koba is a bonobo, an ape soecies that is known for being peaceful and sociable unlike their more violent and warlike cousin the chimp: which Caesar is. Both Caesar and Koba have defied the very nature of their respective species due to their intelligence granting them morality: Caesar ''chose'' peace and compassion, and Koba ''chose'' hatred and violence.
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* Doubles as Fridge Heartwarming: Why was Caesar's second son with his father and brother, instead of his mother? Because, as we discover later, Cornelia was [[IllGirl very sick]]. Caesar wanted to let his wife rest a bit and decided watch to over their baby son.

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* Doubles as Fridge Heartwarming: Why was Caesar's second son with his father and brother, instead of his mother? Because, as we discover later, Cornelia was [[IllGirl [[SicklyAndDelicate very sick]]. Caesar wanted to let his wife rest a bit and decided watch to over their baby son.
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* Though it's a little vague because of his animalistic voice, Koba [[EvilBrit pronounces English words in British]]. At first, that may seem to come out of nowhere, but think back to ''Rise''. Steven Jacobs, the head of the laboratory that had abused Koba for so long, and the one human Koba had it out for the most, has a British accent. With that in mind, it becomes a very fitting trait for Koba, considering [[HeWhoFightsMonsters how he progressively becomes humanlike despite hating them with a passion]] for the duration of this film.

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* Though it's a little vague because of his animalistic voice, Koba [[EvilBrit pronounces English words in British]]. At first, that may seem to come out of nowhere, nowhere in the story itself (a simpler, behind-the-scenes explanation would be the fact that Koba's actor is British), but think back to ''Rise''. Steven Jacobs, the head of the laboratory that had abused Koba for so long, and the one human Koba had it out for the most, has a British accent. With that in mind, it becomes a very fitting trait for Koba, considering [[HeWhoFightsMonsters how he progressively becomes humanlike despite hating them with a passion]] for the duration of this film.
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* When watching the film alone, Koba pulling off a convincing performance as a dumb ape when interacting with the two guards at the armory may seem a little silly and somewhat out-of-character. [[AllThereInTheManual After reading tie-in materials]] that explained Koba was born and grew up in a ''circus'' before being transferred to Gen-sys, [[ChekhovsSkill it makes perfect sense]].

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* When watching the film alone, Koba pulling off a convincing performance as a dumb ape when interacting with the two guards at the armory may seem a little silly and somewhat out-of-character. [[AllThereInTheManual After reading tie-in materials]] that explained Koba was born and grew up a Television star in a ''circus'' his youth before being transferred to Gen-sys, becoming a lab ape, [[ChekhovsSkill it makes perfect sense]].



** Another reason why Koba loses the fight against a wounded Caesar: His body is not built for combat. Bonobos are known to resolve their conflict peacefully, unlike Chimpanzees who are very capable of violence. Even though he is sentient, Koba still has the body of a Bonobo, which is much less suited for a fight than a chimpanzee like Caesar.

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** Another reason why Koba loses the fight against a wounded Caesar: His body is not built for combat. Bonobos are known to resolve their conflict peacefully, unlike Chimpanzees who are very capable of violence. Even though he is sentient, sentient and very vicious, Koba still has the body of a Bonobo, which is much less suited for a fight than a chimpanzee like Caesar.
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* Koba tells Blue Eyes that his scars make him strong. Koba received his from abusive humans, which resulted in his intense hatred for them. [[spoiler:This is a clever foreshadowing of Koba's (initial) influence on Blue Eyes's opinion of humans.]]

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* Koba tells Blue Eyes that his scars make him strong. Koba received his from abusive humans, which resulted in his intense hatred for them. [[spoiler:This This is a clever foreshadowing of Koba's (initial) influence on Blue Eyes's opinion of humans.]]humans.



* Given how it's pointed out from the beginning that human civilization crumbled in the 10 years leading up to the film, it might seem like a coincidence that Dreyfus managed to contact [[spoiler:a military base for reinforcements]] rather than, say, another survivor group. That is until one realizes that the C.D.C. in real life (and the U.S. Government in general) is known for anticipating potential dangers to the point of being CrazyPrepared, including a ''zombie apocalypse.'' [[spoiler:Coupled with Dreyfus having a military background, it wouldn't be surprising if there were at least a couple of safe zones and military facilities still functional out there.]]

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* Given how it's pointed out from the beginning that human civilization crumbled in the 10 years leading up to the film, it might seem like a coincidence that Dreyfus managed to contact [[spoiler:a a military base for reinforcements]] reinforcements rather than, say, another survivor group. That is until one realizes that the C.D.C. in real life (and the U.S. Government in general) is known for anticipating potential dangers to the point of being CrazyPrepared, including a ''zombie apocalypse.'' [[spoiler:Coupled Coupled with Dreyfus having a military background, it wouldn't be surprising if there were at least a couple of safe zones and military facilities still functional out there.]]there.



* [[spoiler:Caesar declaring Koba to not be an Ape wasn't a NoTrueScotsman argument, at least not entirely. Koba cited that Ape shall not kill Ape; but following that logic, Koba (having murdered Ash and knowingly attempted to kill Caesar) no longer counted as an Ape. Granted, he was entirely willing to overlook that contradiction, but it meant all Caesar was doing was holding Koba to his own words.]]
** [[spoiler:Koba's last words are another Fridge Brilliance. Caesar's main teaching is that ApeShallNeverKillApe, which Koba considers to be weak. If Caesar helps Koba up, Koba will simply kill him. If he lets Koba drop, he will violate all of his teachings. [[MortonsFork Either way]], ''Koba wins''. If he lives, he can just take leadership of the apes again. If he dies, it will mean Caesar will have to live with the fact he violated his main commandment]].
*** Which might make even more sense when [[spoiler:he has an OhCrap face. Caesar [[LoopholeAbuse found a hole in Koba's logic]] and poked it so hard that the code wouldn't apply to him]].
* [[spoiler:Ash's death was actually foreshadowed. First, he was in shot close ranged by Carver. Then, he was brutally murdered by Koba. Both Carver and Koba are human and ape counterparts to each other.]]
* [[spoiler:Koba's [[LastWords Last Word]] (a BigNo) make him an even more perfect {{Foil}} to Caesar than previously thought. Caesar's first spoken word is also "No", which he spoke to courageously defy Dodge Landon of the first film and launch the apes' breakout from the sanctuary. Koba screamed out his last word of "No" as a selfish, cowardly reaction to his realization that he was going to die. Before that, he had never once used "No" to demonstrate his courage and his compassion for the other apes.]]

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* [[spoiler:Caesar Caesar declaring Koba to not be an Ape wasn't a NoTrueScotsman argument, at least not entirely. Koba cited that Ape shall not kill Ape; but following that logic, Koba (having murdered Ash and knowingly attempted to kill Caesar) no longer counted as an Ape. Granted, he was entirely willing to overlook that contradiction, but it meant all Caesar was doing was holding Koba to his own words.]]

** [[spoiler:Koba's Koba's last words are another Fridge Brilliance. Caesar's main teaching is that ApeShallNeverKillApe, which Koba considers to be weak. If Caesar helps Koba up, Koba will simply kill him. If he lets Koba drop, he will violate all of his teachings. [[MortonsFork Either way]], ''Koba wins''. If he lives, he can just take leadership of the apes again. If he dies, it will mean Caesar will have to live with the fact he violated his main commandment]].
commandment.
*** Which might make even more sense when [[spoiler:he he has an OhCrap face. Caesar [[LoopholeAbuse found a hole in Koba's logic]] and poked it so hard that the code wouldn't apply to him]].
him.
* [[spoiler:Ash's Ash's death was actually foreshadowed. First, he was in shot close ranged by Carver. Then, he was brutally murdered by Koba. Both Carver and Koba are human and ape counterparts to each other.]]

* [[spoiler:Koba's Koba's [[LastWords Last Word]] (a BigNo) make him an even more perfect {{Foil}} to Caesar than previously thought. Caesar's first spoken word is also "No", which he spoke to courageously defy Dodge Landon of the first film and launch the apes' breakout from the sanctuary. Koba screamed out his last word of "No" as a selfish, cowardly reaction to his realization that he was going to die. Before that, he had never once used "No" to demonstrate his courage and his compassion for the other apes.]]



* [[spoiler:Just how many innocent people did Koba and his followers kill?]]
* [[spoiler:How much pain was Caesar in after getting shot by Koba? That being said, what kind of pain did he go through when Ellie was fixing him since there was no morphine.]]

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* [[spoiler:Just Just how many innocent people did Koba and his followers kill?]]
kill?
* [[spoiler:How How much pain was Caesar in after getting shot by Koba? That being said, what kind of pain did he go through when Ellie was fixing him since there was no morphine.]]morphine.



* Rocket [[spoiler:has now lost his (presumably) only child by the murderous hands of one of the apes he called family.]]
* [[spoiler:Even if the peace between humans and apes remained intact, a couple of years later the Colony would have caught a special strain of Simian Flu which renders people mute.]]

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* Rocket [[spoiler:has has now lost his (presumably) only child by the murderous hands of one of the apes he called family.]]
family.
* [[spoiler:Even Even if the peace between humans and apes remained intact, a couple of years later the Colony would have caught a special strain of Simian Flu which renders people mute.]]mute.

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* [[spoiler:Caesar declaring Koba to not be an Ape wasn't a No True Scotsman argument, at least not entirely. Koba cited that Ape shall not kill Ape; but following that logic, Koba (having murdered Ash and knowingly attempted to kill Caesar) no longer counted as an Ape. Granted, he was entirely willing to overlook that contradiction, but it meant all Caesar was doing was holding Koba to his own words.]]
** [[spoiler:Koba's last words are another Fridge Brilliance. Caesar's main teaching is that ApeShallNeverKillApe, which Koba considers to be weak. If Caesar helps Koba up, Koba will simply kill him. If he lets Koba drop, he will violate all of his teachings. Either way, ''Koba wins''. If he lives, he can just take leadership of the apes again. If he dies, it will mean Caesar will have to live with the fact he violated his main commandment]].

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* [[spoiler:Caesar declaring Koba to not be an Ape wasn't a No True Scotsman NoTrueScotsman argument, at least not entirely. Koba cited that Ape shall not kill Ape; but following that logic, Koba (having murdered Ash and knowingly attempted to kill Caesar) no longer counted as an Ape. Granted, he was entirely willing to overlook that contradiction, but it meant all Caesar was doing was holding Koba to his own words.]]
** [[spoiler:Koba's last words are another Fridge Brilliance. Caesar's main teaching is that ApeShallNeverKillApe, which Koba considers to be weak. If Caesar helps Koba up, Koba will simply kill him. If he lets Koba drop, he will violate all of his teachings. [[MortonsFork Either way, way]], ''Koba wins''. If he lives, he can just take leadership of the apes again. If he dies, it will mean Caesar will have to live with the fact he violated his main commandment]].
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** Another reason why Koba loses the fight against a wounded Caesar: His body is not built for combat. Bonobos are known to resolve their conflict peacefully, unlike Chimpanzees who are very capable of violence. Even though he is sentient, Koba still has the body of a Bonobo, which is much less suited for a fight than a chimpanzee like Caesar.
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* Why is Caesar such a good fighter despite never fighting other apes before? He grows up in a much more nurturing environment compared to his peers. Apes like Koba have been mistreated by humans their entire life, so their physical development is probably a bit more stunted than Caesar as a result. Caesar also has the advantage of being exposed to human media, so he is a lot more GenreSavvy when it comes to a fight.
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* Rocket [[spoiler:has now lost his (presumably) only child by the murderous hands of one of the apes he called family.]]

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* Rocket [[spoiler:has now lost his (presumably) only child by the murderous hands of one of the apes he called family.]]
* [[spoiler:Even if the peace between humans and apes remained intact, a couple of years later the Colony would have caught a special strain of Simian Flu which renders people mute.
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* [[spoiler:Koba's LastWords (a BigNo) make him an even more perfect {{Foil}} to Caesar than previously thought. Caesar's first spoken word is also "No", which he spoke to courageously defy Dodge Landon of the first film and launch the apes' breakout from the sanctuary. Koba screamed out his last word of "No" as a selfish, cowardly reaction to his realization that he was going to die. Before that, he had never once used "No" to demonstrate his courage and his compassion for the other apes.]]

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* [[spoiler:Koba's LastWords [[LastWords Last Word]] (a BigNo) make him an even more perfect {{Foil}} to Caesar than previously thought. Caesar's first spoken word is also "No", which he spoke to courageously defy Dodge Landon of the first film and launch the apes' breakout from the sanctuary. Koba screamed out his last word of "No" as a selfish, cowardly reaction to his realization that he was going to die. Before that, he had never once used "No" to demonstrate his courage and his compassion for the other apes.]]




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* Though it's a little vague because of his animalistic voice, Koba [[EvilBrit pronounces English words in British]]. At first, that may seem to come out of nowhere, but think back to ''Rise''. Steven Jacobs, the head of the laboratory that had abused Koba for so long, and the one human Koba had it out for the most, has a British accent. With that in mind, it becomes a very fitting trait for Koba, considering [[HeWhoFightsMonsters how he progressively becomes humanlike despite hating them with a passion]] for the duration of this film.
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* When watching the film alone, Koba pulling off a convincing performance as a dumb ape when interacting with the two guards at the armory may seem a little silly and somewhat out-of-character. [[AllThereInTheManuel After reading tie-in materials]] that explained Koba was born and grew up in a ''circus'' before being transferred to Gen-sys, [[ChekovsSkill it makes perfect sense]].

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* When watching the film alone, Koba pulling off a convincing performance as a dumb ape when interacting with the two guards at the armory may seem a little silly and somewhat out-of-character. [[AllThereInTheManuel [[AllThereInTheManual After reading tie-in materials]] that explained Koba was born and grew up in a ''circus'' before being transferred to Gen-sys, [[ChekovsSkill [[ChekhovsSkill it makes perfect sense]].

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