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** Also, not once do we ever see Tanana interact with Denahi following Kenai's transformation, preventing him from ever finding out that the bear that "killed" Kenai was actually indeed Kenai the whole time. She probably wanted to teach Kenai a lesson about why it's wrong to kill bears by having Kenai be the bear that eventually gets chased by Denahi for most of the movie.
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* Did Denahi really mistake Kenai for [[MistakenForOwnMurderer the bear who "killed" him]] and actually try to avenge his death by relentlessly trying to kill him and Koda until Sitka finally stops by immediately changing Kenai back at the last moment... ...or did Sitka manipulated Denahi into doing so just to teach Kenai a lesson about what it'd be like to be the bear who gets hunted all the time? (Kenai's first transformation is portrayed in a way so that Denahi never sees him transform but the viewers do, Sitka leading Denahi to the same mountain Kenai is traveling to initiate the final confrontation, and Sitka not changing Kenai back until ''after'' Koda starts defending Kenai from Denahi's attack)
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* Did Denahi really mistake Kenai for [[MistakenForOwnMurderer the bear who "killed" him]] and actually try to avenge his death by relentlessly trying to kill him and Koda until Sitka finally stops by immediately changing Kenai back at the last moment... ...or did Sitka manipulated Denahi into doing so just to teach Kenai a lesson about what it'd be like to be the bear who gets hunted all the time? (Kenai's first transformation is portrayed in a way so that Denahi never sees him transform but the viewers do, Sitka leading Denahi to the same mountain Kenai is traveling to initiate the final confrontation, and Sitka not changing Kenai back until ''after'' Koda starts defending Kenai from Denahi's attack)attack).
** No, Sitka knew that Kenai, having had experience as a hunter, would be able to evade and escape Denahi. For a brief moment, Denahi almost considered giving up, until Sitka's spirit guided him. It's more likely Sitka wanted Kenai to prove that he had learned his lesson and for Denahi to learn that his brother is actually alive.
** No, Sitka knew that Kenai, having had experience as a hunter, would be able to evade and escape Denahi. For a brief moment, Denahi almost considered giving up, until Sitka's spirit guided him. It's more likely Sitka wanted Kenai to prove that he had learned his lesson and for Denahi to learn that his brother is actually alive.
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* At one point in the movie, Kenai and Koda come throught the wall adorned by cave painrings, which according to the novelization is located in an abandoned village. [[NothingIsScarier What happened to the people who lived there?]] The most likely theory is that when the resources ran out, the tribe living in this place went looking for a new place to live, but the second, darker theory may be that something killed the people living in this village (some sort of plague or attack of predators).
* Did Denahi really mistake Kenai for [[MistakenForOwnMurderer the bear who "killed" him]] and actually try to avenge his death by relentlessly trying to kill and Koda until Sitka finally stops by immediately changing Kenai back at the last moment... ...or did Sitka manipulate Denahi into doing so just to teach Kenai a lesson about what it'd be like to be the bear who gets hunted all the time? (Kenai's first transformation is portrayed in a way so that Denahi never sees him transform but the viewers do, Sitka leading Denahi to the same mountain Kenai is traveling to initiate the final confrontation, and Sitka not changing Kenai back until ''after'' Koda starts defending Kenai from Denahi's attack)
* Did Denahi really mistake Kenai for [[MistakenForOwnMurderer the bear who "killed" him]] and actually try to avenge his death by relentlessly trying to kill and Koda until Sitka finally stops by immediately changing Kenai back at the last moment... ...or did Sitka manipulate Denahi into doing so just to teach Kenai a lesson about what it'd be like to be the bear who gets hunted all the time? (Kenai's first transformation is portrayed in a way so that Denahi never sees him transform but the viewers do, Sitka leading Denahi to the same mountain Kenai is traveling to initiate the final confrontation, and Sitka not changing Kenai back until ''after'' Koda starts defending Kenai from Denahi's attack)
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* At one point in the movie, Kenai and Koda come throught the wall adorned by cave painrings, paintings, which according to the novelization is located in an abandoned village. [[NothingIsScarier What happened to the people who lived there?]] The most likely theory is that when the resources ran out, the tribe living in this place went looking for a new place to live, but the second, darker theory may be that something killed the people living in this village (some sort of plague or attack of predators).
* Did Denahi really mistake Kenai for [[MistakenForOwnMurderer the bear who "killed" him]] and actually try to avenge his death by relentlessly trying to kill him and Koda until Sitka finally stops by immediately changing Kenai back at the last moment... ...or did Sitkamanipulate manipulated Denahi into doing so just to teach Kenai a lesson about what it'd be like to be the bear who gets hunted all the time? (Kenai's first transformation is portrayed in a way so that Denahi never sees him transform but the viewers do, Sitka leading Denahi to the same mountain Kenai is traveling to initiate the final confrontation, and Sitka not changing Kenai back until ''after'' Koda starts defending Kenai from Denahi's attack)
* Did Denahi really mistake Kenai for [[MistakenForOwnMurderer the bear who "killed" him]] and actually try to avenge his death by relentlessly trying to kill him and Koda until Sitka finally stops by immediately changing Kenai back at the last moment... ...or did Sitka
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* How long has Denahi been chasing Kenai and Koda for?
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* At one point in the movie, Kenai and Koda come throught the wall adorned by cave painrings, which according to the novelization is located in an abandoned village. [[NothingIsScarier What happened to the people who lived there?]] The most likely theory is that when the resources ran out, the tribe living in this place went looking for a new place to live, but the second, darker theory may be that something killed the people living in this village (some sort of plague or attack of predators).
* At one point in the movie, Kenai and Koda come throught the wall adorned by cave painrings, which according to the novelization is located in an abandoned village. [[NothingIsScarier What happened to the people who lived there?]] The most likely theory is that when the resources ran out, the tribe living in this place went looking for a new place to live, but the second, darker theory may be that something killed the people living in this village (some sort of plague or attack of predators).
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** When Kenai is tracking her earlier in the movie, a moose briefly appears looking more realistic than Rutt and Tuke. Once he's transformed into a bear his perception literally changes, giving all the animals more expressive faces and movements.
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** Assuming HumanlikeAnimalAging is at play, I would not be so worried about them. But still, [[TearJerker what a depressing theory]]...
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* At the Salmon Run, when they're playing "Pass The Salmon", all of the bears are telling stories of friendship and love - from the two bears now mating, to the big bear who's allowed a family of chipmunks to move in with him because he pushed down their tree. Totem of love, everybody!
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* At the Salmon Run, when they're playing "Pass The Salmon", all of the bears are telling stories of friendship and love - from the two bears now mating, to the big bear who's allowed a family of chipmunks to move in with him because he pushed down their tree. Totem of love, Love, everybody!
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** However, this can also become Fridge Heartwarming if one considers the fact that [[spoiler:Koda's mother was able to revisit him as a spirit]], so it's possible same applies to them.
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** However, this can also become Fridge Heartwarming if one considers the fact that [[spoiler:Koda's mother was able to revisit him as a spirit]], so it's possible same applies to them.them.
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* When Tanana jokes about totems, everybody laughs, and she does too, but if you rewind her age appearance you can actually see that in her youth she may well have been quite attractive.
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* When Tanana jokes about totems, everybody laughs, and she does too, but if you rewind her age appearance you can actually see that in her youth she may well have been [[IWasQuiteTheLooker quite attractive.attractive]].
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** Alternatively, her totem being beauty could've been about her learning that it's not subjective to how pretty or young you look. In her youth, it could've been [[HeroOfAnotherStory her own journey]] about discovering [[AnAesop true beauty comes from the inside, no matter how old you are]].
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* Meta in a sense with regards to Kenai's totem. Bear + love/affection = Franchise/CareBears. Is it such a wonder he is disappointed? He should have been utterly mortified!
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* Meta in a sense with regards to Kenai's totem. Bear + love/affection = Franchise/CareBears. Is it such a wonder he is he's disappointed? He should have been utterly mortified!
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* Meta in a sense with regards to Kenai's totem. Bear+love/affection=Franchise/CareBears. Is it such a wonder he is disappointed? He should have been utterly mortified!
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* Meta in a sense with regards to Kenai's totem. Bear+love/affection=Franchise/CareBears.Bear + love/affection = Franchise/CareBears. Is it such a wonder he is disappointed? He should have been utterly mortified!
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* Meta in a sense with regards to Kenai's totem. Bear+love/affection=Franchise/CareBears. Is it such a wonder he is disappointed? He should have been utterly mortified!
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* A bear's lifespan is around 25 - 35 years, meaning that when we start out the movie by seeing Denahi as an old man, Kenai and Koda [[spoiler: (and Nita)]] are all long dead.
** Given Denahi refers to Kenai and Koda in the past tense, this is probably confirmed.
** Given Denahi refers to Kenai and Koda in the past tense, this is probably confirmed.
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* A bear's lifespan is around 25 - 35 years, meaning that when we start out the movie by seeing Denahi as an old man, Kenai and Koda [[spoiler: (and [[spoiler:(as well as Nita)]] are all long dead.
** Given Denahi refers to Kenai and Koda in the past tense, this is probablyconfirmed.confirmed.
** However, this can also become Fridge Heartwarming if one considers the fact that [[spoiler:Koda's mother was able to revisit him as a spirit]], so it's possible same applies to them.
** Given Denahi refers to Kenai and Koda in the past tense, this is probably
** However, this can also become Fridge Heartwarming if one considers the fact that [[spoiler:Koda's mother was able to revisit him as a spirit]], so it's possible same applies to them.
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--> Tanana: When each of us comes of age, the Great Spirits reveal to us a totem that helps guide us through our lives. Some of us use courage to guide us, others patience. And some of us, beauty...
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--> Tanana: '''Tanana''': When each of us comes of age, the Great Spirits reveal to us a totem that helps guide us through our lives. Some of us use courage to guide us, others patience. And some of us, beauty...
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** Given Denahi refers to Kenai and Koda in the past tense this is probably confirmed.
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** Given Denahi refers to Kenai and Koda in the past tense tense, this is probably confirmed.
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* At the lack of a "Fridge Sadness" trope; a bear's lifespan is around 25 - 35 years, meaning that when we start out the movie by seeing Denahi as an old man, Kenai and Koda [[spoiler: (and Nita)]] are all long dead.
* At the lack of a "Fridge Sadness" trope; a bear's lifespan is around 25 - 35 years, meaning that when we start out the movie by seeing Denahi as an old man, Kenai and Koda [[spoiler: (and Nita)]] are all long dead.
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*At the lack of a "Fridge Sadness" trope; a A bear's lifespan is around 25 - 35 years, meaning that when we start out the movie by seeing Denahi as an old man, Kenai and Koda [[spoiler: (and Nita)]] are all long dead.
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** Given Denahi refers to Kenai and Koda in the past tense (indicating they are not alive by the time we start out the movie), this is probably confirmed.
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** Given Denahi refers to Kenai and Koda in the past tense (indicating they are not alive by the time we start out the movie), this is probably confirmed.
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* At the lack of a "Fridge Sadness" trope; a bear's lifespan is around 25 - 35 years, meaning that when we start out the movie by seeing Denahi as an old man, Kenai and Koda [[spoiler: (and Nita)]] are all long dead.
** They're essentially transformed spirits, not actual bears. Kenai [[spoiler:and Nita]] probably would live normal human lifespans, but it's still FridgeHorror: Koda won't.
** They're essentially transformed spirits, not actual bears. Kenai [[spoiler:and Nita]] probably would live normal human lifespans, but it's still FridgeHorror: Koda won't.
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* At the lack of a "Fridge Sadness" trope; a bear's lifespan is around 25 - 35 years, meaning that when we start out the movie by seeing Denahi as an old man, Kenai and Koda [[spoiler: (and Nita)]] are all long dead.
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**They're essentially transformed spirits, not actual bears. Given Denahi refers to Kenai [[spoiler:and Nita]] and Koda in the past tense (indicating they are not alive by the time we start out the movie), this is probably would live normal human lifespans, but it's still FridgeHorror: Koda won't.confirmed.
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** They're essentially transformed spirits, not actual bears. Kenai [[spoiler:and Nita]] probably would live normal human lifespans, but it's still FridgeHorror: Koda won't.
** Also remember that this is the Ice Age: normal human lifespans wouldn't be, on average, much longer then a bear's.
*** Watch that word 'average'. Infant mortality in older times could be brutal but if you made it past 18 you could live to see 60+.
** Also remember that this is the Ice Age: normal human lifespans wouldn't be, on average, much longer then a bear's.
*** Watch that word 'average'. Infant mortality in older times could be brutal but if you made it past 18 you could live to see 60+.
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** They're essentially transformed spirits, not actual bears. Kenai [[spoiler:and Nita]] probably would live normal human lifespans, but it's still FridgeHorror: Koda won't. \n** Also remember that this is the Ice Age: normal human lifespans wouldn't be, on average, much longer then a bear's.\n*** Watch that word 'average'. Infant mortality in older times could be brutal but if you made it past 18 you could live to see 60+.
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--> Tanana: When each of us comes of age, the Great Spirits reveal to us a totem that helps guide us through our lives. Some of us use courage to guide us, others patience. And some of us, beauty...
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--> Tanana: When each of us comes of age, the Great Spirits reveal to us a totem that helps guide us through our lives. Some of us use courage to guide us, others patience. And some of us, beauty...beauty...
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* At the lack of a "Fridge Sadness" trope; a bear's lifespan is around 25 - 35 years, meaning that when we start out the movie by seeing Denahi as an old man, Kenai and Koda [[spoiler: (and Nita)]] are all long dead.
** They're essentially transformed spirits, not actual bears. Kenai [[spoiler:and Nita]] probably would live normal human lifespans, but it's still FridgeHorror: Koda won't.
** Also remember that this is the Ice Age: normal human lifespans wouldn't be, on average, much longer then a bear's.
*** Watch that word 'average'. Infant mortality in older times could be brutal but if you made it past 18 you could live to see 60+.
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* At the lack of a "Fridge Sadness" trope; a bear's lifespan is around 25 - 35 years, meaning that when we start out the movie by seeing Denahi as an old man, Kenai and Koda [[spoiler: (and Nita)]] are all long dead.
** They're essentially transformed spirits, not actual bears. Kenai [[spoiler:and Nita]] probably would live normal human lifespans, but it's still FridgeHorror: Koda won't.
** Also remember that this is the Ice Age: normal human lifespans wouldn't be, on average, much longer then a bear's.
*** Watch that word 'average'. Infant mortality in older times could be brutal but if you made it past 18 you could live to see 60+.
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* At the Salmon Run, when they're playing "Pass The Salmon", all of the bears are telling stories of friendship and love - from the two bears now mating, to the big bear who's allowed a family of chipmunks to move in with him because he pushed down their tree. Totem of love, everybody!
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* At the Salmon Run, when they're playing "Pass The Salmon", all of the bears are telling stories of friendship and love - from the two bears now mating, to the big bear who's allowed a family of chipmunks to move in with him because he pushed down their tree. Totem of love, everybody!everybody!
* When Tanana jokes about totems, everybody laughs, and she does too, but if you rewind her age appearance you can actually see that in her youth she may well have been quite attractive.
--> Tanana: When each of us comes of age, the Great Spirits reveal to us a totem that helps guide us through our lives. Some of us use courage to guide us, others patience. And some of us, beauty...
* When Tanana jokes about totems, everybody laughs, and she does too, but if you rewind her age appearance you can actually see that in her youth she may well have been quite attractive.
--> Tanana: When each of us comes of age, the Great Spirits reveal to us a totem that helps guide us through our lives. Some of us use courage to guide us, others patience. And some of us, beauty...
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* In the Transformation scene they sing "Everything becomes clear if you see it throught another's eyes" in Inuit. Well, when Kenai has his flashbacks to when he and Koda's mother faced off... he's remembering them at least partly in bear. He's seeing through bear eyes, and it finally makes sense.
** When Koda's mother speaks in his memory, Kenai understands her - she's even talking in human when she stands and calls out for Koda.
** When Koda's mother speaks in his memory, Kenai understands her - she's even talking in human when she stands and calls out for Koda.
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* In the Transformation scene they sing "Everything becomes will become clear if to you when you see it throught things through another's eyes" eyes." in Inuit. Well, when Kenai has his flashbacks to when he and Koda's mother faced off... he's remembering them at least partly in bear. He's seeing through bear eyes, hearing them from a bear's point of view, and it everything finally makes sense.
sense now that he knows why Koda's mother did all of that.
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* At the Salmon Run, when they're playing "Pass The Salmon", all of the bears are telling stories of friendship and love - from the two bears now mating, to the big bear who's allowed a family of chipmunks to move in with him because he pushed down their tree. Totem of love, everybody!
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* In the Transformation scene they sing "Everything becomes clear if you see it throught another's eyes" in Inuit. Well, when Kenai has his flashbacks to when he and Koda's mother faced off... he's remembering them at least partly in bear. He's seeing through bear eyes, and it finally makes sense.
** When Koda's mother speaks in his memory, Kenai understands her - she's even talking in human when she stands and calls out for Koda.
* In the Transformation scene they sing "Everything becomes clear if you see it throught another's eyes" in Inuit. Well, when Kenai has his flashbacks to when he and Koda's mother faced off... he's remembering them at least partly in bear. He's seeing through bear eyes, and it finally makes sense.
** When Koda's mother speaks in his memory, Kenai understands her - she's even talking in human when she stands and calls out for Koda.
