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* When Alice first see the Hatter again the March Hare yells about how his pocket watch is ticking again. At first it seems like just another funny outburst until you watch after seeing the second movie with how [[spoiler: Time cursed them to have the same tea party until Alice returned. The watch started again because TIME started again.]]
* Keen-eyed viewers would probably notice the Knave's eye patch constantly changing color. At first, you think it's a continuity mistake, but then it hits you: it's only red in the scenes ''with the Red Queen'' and black in every other scene. The eye patch is a visual representation of his actual feelings: when it's red, he's faking love and adoration for the Red Queen but as soon as she leaves, it changes to black to show that, deep down, he's just as cold and cruel ("black-hearted") as any other villain.
** Another idea is that he keeps two eyepatches on him, one red and one black. He wears the red one when he's about to see the Queen of Hearts but changes to a black one as soon as he's out of her sight. This would also fit in with how members of her court wear prosthetic disguises to make a part of their body look unnaturally large.
* Mad Hatter's fits of rage. To be honest, they didn't 'bother' me, but they just came behind the tree from one point, for seemingly without any provocation. Then I started to think: He's supposed to have a mercury poisoning, right? I looked up the symptoms and the mystery was solved. The poisoning hyperstimulates the heart and causes insomnia, but slows the adrenaline glands. Adding the state of Wonderland and his own personal demons it's clear, that he is constantly under stress without the way of releasing it, making the Hatter a ticking time bomb. The pressure builds and builds, until he flies to rage from even the slightest thing, even if someone even mentions something unpleasant.

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* When Alice first see sees the Hatter again again, the March Hare yells about how his pocket watch is ticking again. At first first, it seems like just another funny outburst outburst, until you watch after seeing the second movie with how sequel, where [[spoiler: Time cursed them to have the same tea party until Alice returned. The watch started again because TIME started again.]]
* Keen-eyed viewers would probably notice the Knave's eye patch constantly changing color. At first, you think it's a continuity mistake, but then it hits you: it's only red in the scenes ''with the Red Queen'' and black in every other scene. The eye patch is a visual representation of his actual feelings: when it's red, he's faking love and adoration for the Red Queen Queen, but as soon as she leaves, it changes to black to show that, deep down, he's just as cold and cruel ("black-hearted") as any other villain.
** Another idea is that he keeps two heart eyepatches on him, him: one red and one black. He wears the red one when he's about to see the Queen of Hearts but changes to a black one as soon as he's out of her sight. This would also fit in with how members of her court wear prosthetic disguises to make a part of their body look unnaturally large.
* Mad The Hatter's fits of rage. To be honest, they didn't 'bother' me, but they just came behind the tree from one point, for seemingly without any provocation. Then I started to think: He's supposed to have a mercury poisoning, right? I looked up the symptoms symptoms, and the mystery was solved. The solved: the poisoning hyperstimulates hyper-stimulates the heart and causes insomnia, insomnia but also slows the adrenaline glands. Adding in the state of Wonderland Underland and his own personal demons demons, it's clear, clear that he is constantly under stress without the way of releasing it, making the Hatter a ticking time bomb. The pressure builds and builds, until he flies to into a rage from even the slightest thing, even if someone even mentions something unpleasant.
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* The Knave of Hearts is implied to be [[AmazonChaser attracted to tall women]]. Why does he find them attractive? Because in his day-to-day life, he is forced to kowtow to the Red Queen... who is tiny.

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* The Knave of Hearts says that he is implied to be [[AmazonChaser attracted to tall women]]. Why does he find them attractive? Because in his day-to-day life, he is forced to kowtow to the Red Queen... who is tiny.
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* The Knave of Hearts is implied to be [[AmazonChaser attracted to tall women]]. Why does he find them attractive? Because in his day-to-day life, he is forced to kowtow to the Red Queen... who is tiny.

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** In a similar vein, they also have the Oraculum - which tells "our each and every day from the beginning." It also tells the future, such as showing Alice fighting the Jabberwocky on the Frabjous Day. So like the troper above me says, ''they already know what's coming'' and don't see a reason to deviate.



* It's rather fitting that a FeatheredFiend be the one to snatch up the Tweedles for the Red Queen; after all it was the "monstrous crow" that ended the poem the two originated in.

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* It's rather fitting that a FeatheredFiend be the one to snatch up the Tweedles for the Red Queen; after all all, it was the "monstrous crow" that ended the poem in which the two originated in.
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* Since Alice opened up trade in China, does that mean Alice caused, or helped cause the Opium Wars? Either she brought something/someone she shouldn't have or made a big mistake to do that. That could also mean she has blood on her hands.

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* Since Alice opened up trade in China, does that mean Alice caused, or helped cause cause, the Opium Wars? Either she brought something/someone she shouldn't have or made a big mistake to do that. That could also mean she has blood on her hands.hands.
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** Her [[https://www.flickr.com/photos/fidm/4645598497/ outfit]] also pays homage to Alice's [[https://static.wikia.nocookie.net/heroes-and-villians/images/7/73/Alice_Render.png/revision/latest?cb=20190620025041 look]] from the animated film. Her black and white boots even look a bit like the Mary Janes that Alice wore as a little girl.
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* Since Alice opened up trade in China, does that mean Alice caused, or helped cause the Opium Wars? Either she brought something/someone she shouldn't have or made a big mistake to do that. That could also mean she has blood on her hands.
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* When Alice first see the Hatter again the March Hare yells about how his pocket watch is ticking again. At first it seems like just another funny outburst until you watch after seeing the second movie with how [[spoiler: Time cursed them to have the same tea party until Alice returned. The watch started again because TIME started again.]]
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* Also, I was annoyed by the fact that The Knave's eyepatch kept changing color. The it hit me: It's only red in the scenes ''with the Red Queen'' and black in every else scene. The eyepatch is a visual representation of his actual feelings: When it's red, he's faking love and adoration for the Red Queen but as soon as she leaves, it changes to black to show, that deep down, he's just as cold and cruel ("black-hearted") as any other villain.

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* Also, I was annoyed by Keen-eyed viewers would probably notice the fact that The Knave's eyepatch kept eye patch constantly changing color. The At first, you think it's a continuity mistake, but then it hit me: It's hits you: it's only red in the scenes ''with the Red Queen'' and black in every else other scene. The eyepatch eye patch is a visual representation of his actual feelings: When when it's red, he's faking love and adoration for the Red Queen but as soon as she leaves, it changes to black to show, that show that, deep down, he's just as cold and cruel ("black-hearted") as any other villain.



** Also, Mad Hatter's fits of rage. To be honest, they didn't 'bother' me, but they just came behind the tree from one point, for seemingly without any provocation. Then I started to think: He's supposed to have a mercury poisoning, right? I looked up the symptoms and the mystery was solved. The poisoning hyperstimulates the heart and causes insomnia, but slows the adrenaline glands. Adding the state of Wonderland and his own personal demons it's clear, that he is constantly under stress without the way of releasing it, making the Hatter a ticking time bomb. The pressure builds and builds, until he flies to rage from even the slightest thing, even if someone even mentions something unpleasant.

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** Also, * Mad Hatter's fits of rage. To be honest, they didn't 'bother' me, but they just came behind the tree from one point, for seemingly without any provocation. Then I started to think: He's supposed to have a mercury poisoning, right? I looked up the symptoms and the mystery was solved. The poisoning hyperstimulates the heart and causes insomnia, but slows the adrenaline glands. Adding the state of Wonderland and his own personal demons it's clear, that he is constantly under stress without the way of releasing it, making the Hatter a ticking time bomb. The pressure builds and builds, until he flies to rage from even the slightest thing, even if someone even mentions something unpleasant.



* Recently had this breakthrough: It had started bugging me a little that the residents of Underland were so set on following a prophesied path. I mean, the whole point of the place is that everyone is mad, so why should they care about prophecy so much? Why not make their own random paths? Then today, I remembered something from "Through the Looking Glass" -- Wonderlanders, or at least Looking-Glass Landers, can remember things backwards ''and forwards.'' To them, they've already remembered what's going to happen! (Hell, when you think about it, isn't a prophecy sort of like a memory of the future anyway?)
* How about this one. At the end of the new film, Alice goes to open trade with China. Historically, this was done by the British Army going to war with China in order to sell Opium. Here's the brilliance: The majority of ''Alice in Wonderland'' was written by Carroll when he was regularly taking Opium. Alice is retroactively ensuring her own existence!

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* Recently had this breakthrough: It it had started bugging me a little that the residents of Underland were so set on following a prophesied path. I mean, the whole point of the place is that everyone is mad, so why should they care about prophecy so much? Why not make their own random paths? Then today, I remembered something from "Through the Looking Glass" -- Wonderlanders, or at least Looking-Glass Landers, can remember things backwards ''and forwards.'' To them, they've already remembered what's going to happen! (Hell, when you think about it, isn't a prophecy sort of like a memory of the future anyway?)
* How about this one. At one: at the end of the new film, Alice goes to open trade with China. Historically, this was done by the British Army going to war with China in order to sell Opium. Here's the brilliance: The the majority of ''Alice in Wonderland'' was written by Carroll when he was regularly taking Opium. Alice is retroactively ensuring her own existence!



* At the beginning, the White Rabbit says he had to follow a lot of Alices: of course he would, Alice was a very common name in 19th century England.

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* At the beginning, the White Rabbit says he had to follow a lot of Alices: Alices - of course he would, would! Alice was a very common name in 19th century 19th-century England.



** On that note the remark about enjoying tadpoles on toast. Since animals in Underland are as sapient as humans, this means that the Queen of Hearts literally EatsBabies.

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** On that note note, the remark about enjoying tadpoles on toast. Since animals in Underland are as sapient as humans, this means that the Queen of Hearts literally EatsBabies.

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** [[LooksLikeCesare why everyone looks tired]]? A common symptom for depression is fatigue. Maybe Alice is still depressed from the loss of her [[spoiler: father]] and being pressured into marriage. Also, if you'd spent years living under the tyranny of the Queen of Hearts, you'd probably look a little weary, too.

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** [[LooksLikeCesare why Why everyone looks tired]]? A common symptom for depression is fatigue. Maybe Alice is still depressed from the loss of her [[spoiler: father]] and being pressured into marriage. Also, if you'd spent years living under the tyranny of the Queen of Hearts, you'd probably look a little weary, too.



* [[InsistentTerminology Underland]]/Wonderland seemed like much more of a [[LighterAndSofter safer place]] when Alice was a little girl. Well there's something that should be considered: in the [[Literature/AliceInWonderland original novel]] whenever the Queen of Hearts would send someone to their execution, the King of Hearts would pardon them before it could be carried out. With the king dead, well [[GodSaveUsFromTheQueen you know the rest]]...
* Recently had this breakthrough: It had started bugging me a little that the residents of Wunderland were so set on following a prophesied path. I mean, the whole point of the place is that everyone is mad, so why should they care about prophecy so much? Why not make their own random paths? Then today, I remembered something from "Through the Looking Glass" -- Wonderlanders, or at least Looking-Glass Landers, can remember things backwards ''and forwards.'' To them, they've already remembered what's going to happen! (Hell, when you think about it, isn't a prophecy sort of like a memory of the future anyway?)
* How about this one. At the end of the new film, Alice goes to open trade with China. Historically, this was done by the British Army going to war with China in order to sell Opium. Here's the brilliance: The majority of Alice in Wonderland was written by Caroll when he was regularly taking Opium. Alice is retroactively ensuring her own existence!

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* [[InsistentTerminology Underland]]/Wonderland seemed like much more of a [[LighterAndSofter safer place]] when Alice was a little girl. Well Well, there's something that should be considered: in the [[Literature/AliceInWonderland original novel]] novel]], whenever the Queen of Hearts would send someone to their execution, the King of Hearts would pardon them before it could be carried out. With the king dead, well well, [[GodSaveUsFromTheQueen you know the rest]]...
* Recently had this breakthrough: It had started bugging me a little that the residents of Wunderland Underland were so set on following a prophesied path. I mean, the whole point of the place is that everyone is mad, so why should they care about prophecy so much? Why not make their own random paths? Then today, I remembered something from "Through the Looking Glass" -- Wonderlanders, or at least Looking-Glass Landers, can remember things backwards ''and forwards.'' To them, they've already remembered what's going to happen! (Hell, when you think about it, isn't a prophecy sort of like a memory of the future anyway?)
* How about this one. At the end of the new film, Alice goes to open trade with China. Historically, this was done by the British Army going to war with China in order to sell Opium. Here's the brilliance: The majority of Alice ''Alice in Wonderland Wonderland'' was written by Caroll Carroll when he was regularly taking Opium. Alice is retroactively ensuring her own existence!



* This is a very minor detail, but in that scene where the Red Queen orders the frog executed and his children brought to her, she says, "I love tadpoles on toast, almost as much as I love caviar." The first two times I saw this movie, I thought the horrible thing was that she was treating talking animal kids like food. The third time, I realized that she's talking about eating caviar--''to a fish!'' That's just ''wrong!'' -Katzsoa
* It's been mentioned that Alice is wearing a dress that's only suitable for young girls rather than a nineteen year old. But, with everyone else wearing age-appropriate attire and people constantly telling Alice that she ''should'' be married by now, one must wonder if Alice's mother decided to make Alice look younger, and therefore more proper.

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* This is a very minor detail, but in that scene where the Red Queen orders the frog executed and his children brought to her, she says, "I love tadpoles on toast, almost as much as I love caviar." The first two times I saw this movie, I thought the horrible thing was that she was treating talking animal kids like food. The third time, I realized that she's talking about eating caviar--''to a fish!'' That's just ''wrong!'' -Katzsoa
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* It's been mentioned that Alice is wearing a dress that's only more suitable for young girls rather than a nineteen year old.nineteen-year-old. But, with everyone else wearing age-appropriate attire and people constantly telling Alice that she ''should'' be married by now, one must wonder if Alice's mother decided to make Alice look younger, and therefore more proper.



* It's rather fitting that a FeatheredFiend be the one to snatch up the Tweedles for the Red Queen, after all it was the "monsterous crow" that ended the poem the two originated in.

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* It's rather fitting that a FeatheredFiend be the one to snatch up the Tweedles for the Red Queen, Queen; after all it was the "monsterous "monstrous crow" that ended the poem the two originated in.



* The point about the Red Queen talking to her fish servant, as discussed in FridgeBrilliance above, also doubles as something of an IWillPunishYourFriendForYourFailure - she's threatening her fish servant with the deaths of his ''[[FridgeHorror unborn children]]'' to keep him in line. -zandercan

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* The point about the Red Queen talking to her fish servant, as discussed in FridgeBrilliance above, also doubles as something of an IWillPunishYourFriendForYourFailure - she's threatening her fish servant with the deaths of his ''[[FridgeHorror unborn children]]'' to keep him in line. -zandercan



* Since Alice opened up trade in China, does that mean Alice caused, or helped cause the Opium Wars? Either she brought something/someone she shouldn't have or made a big mistake to do that. That could also mean she has blood on her hands.

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* Since Alice opened up trade in China, does that mean Alice caused, or helped cause the Opium Wars? Either she brought something/someone she shouldn't have or made a big mistake to do that. That could also mean she has blood on her hands.hands.
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* Also, I was annoyed by the fact that The Knave's eyepatch kept changing color. The it hit me: It's only red in the scenes ''with the Red Queen'' and black in every else scene. The eyepatch is a visual representation of his actual feelings: When it's red, he's faking love and adoration for the Red Queen but as soon as she leaves, it changes to black to show, that deep down, his just as cold and cruel ("black-hearted") as any other villain.

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* Also, I was annoyed by the fact that The Knave's eyepatch kept changing color. The it hit me: It's only red in the scenes ''with the Red Queen'' and black in every else scene. The eyepatch is a visual representation of his actual feelings: When it's red, he's faking love and adoration for the Red Queen but as soon as she leaves, it changes to black to show, that deep down, his he's just as cold and cruel ("black-hearted") as any other villain.

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** Another idea is that he keeps two eyepatches on him, one red and one black. He wears the red one when he's about to see the Queen of Hearts but changes to a black one as soon as he's out of her sight. This would also fit in with how members of her court wear prosthetic disguises to make a part of their body look unnaturally large.



* The point about the Red Queen talking to her fish servant, as discussed in FrideBrilliance above, also doubles as something of an IWillPunishYourFriendForYourFailure - she's threatening her fish servant with the deaths of his ''[[FridgeHorror unborn children]]'' to keep him in line. -zandercan

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* The point about the Red Queen talking to her fish servant, as discussed in FrideBrilliance FridgeBrilliance above, also doubles as something of an IWillPunishYourFriendForYourFailure - she's threatening her fish servant with the deaths of his ''[[FridgeHorror unborn children]]'' to keep him in line. -zandercan-zandercan
** On that note the remark about enjoying tadpoles on toast. Since animals in Underland are as sapient as humans, this means that the Queen of Hearts literally EatsBabies.
* Since Alice opened up trade in China, does that mean Alice caused, or helped cause the Opium Wars? Either she brought something/someone she shouldn't have or made a big mistake to do that. That could also mean she has blood on her hands.

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** Also doubles as something of an [[InvertedTrope inverted]] YouHaveFailedMe - she's threatening her fish servant with the deaths of his ''[[FridgeHorror unborn children]]'' to keep him in line. -zandercan



* It's rather fitting that a FeatheredFiend be the one to snatch up the Tweedles for the Red Queen, after all it was the "monsterous crow" that ended the poem the two originated in.

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* It's rather fitting that a FeatheredFiend be the one to snatch up the Tweedles for the Red Queen, after all it was the "monsterous crow" that ended the poem the two originated in.in.

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* The point about the Red Queen talking to her fish servant, as discussed in FrideBrilliance above, also doubles as something of an IWillPunishYourFriendForYourFailure - she's threatening her fish servant with the deaths of his ''[[FridgeHorror unborn children]]'' to keep him in line. -zandercan
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* In the new ''Film/AliceInWonderland'', the {{Darker and Edgier}} nature of Wonderland was just for the ever-present {{Rule of Cool}} as opposed to the original. Then you realize that ''Wonderland represents her mindset!'' Wonderland was whimsical in the first Alice because she was a little kid, and now she's an adult with darker thoughts!

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* In the new ''Film/AliceInWonderland'', the The {{Darker and Edgier}} nature of Wonderland was just for the ever-present {{Rule of Cool}} as opposed to the original. Then you realize that ''Wonderland represents her mindset!'' Wonderland was whimsical in the first Alice because she was a little kid, and now she's an adult with darker thoughts!
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* At the beginning, the White Rabbit says he had to follow a lot of Alices: of course he would, Alice was a very common name in 19th century England.

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* At the beginning, the White Rabbit says he had to follow a lot of Alices: of course he would, Alice was a very common name in 19th century England.England.
* It's rather fitting that a FeatheredFiend be the one to snatch up the Tweedles for the Red Queen, after all it was the "monsterous crow" that ended the poem the two originated in.
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* In the new ''Film/AliceInWonderland'', the {{Darker and Edgier}} nature of Wonderland was just for the ever-present {{Rule of Cool}} as opposed to the original. Then you realize that ''Wonderland represents her mindset!'' Wonderland was whimsical in the first Alice because she was a little kid, and now she's an adult with darker thoughts!
** [[LooksLikeCesare why everyone looks tired]]? A common symptom for depression is fatigue. Maybe Alice is still depressed from the loss of her [[spoiler: father]] and being pressured into marriage. Also, if you'd spent years living under the tyranny of the Queen of Hearts, you'd probably look a little weary, too.
* When Bayard the dog first appeared on the screen, I was a little baffled. I warmed up to him quickly (who couldn't, with those puppies?), but I didn't see the point in adding the dog to the tale, other than as another ally for Alice. It was a few days later when I remembered something -- in the first book, ''Alice meets a puppy!'' Granted, he didn't speak to her then, but who's to say that wasn't a young Bayard?
* Also, I was annoyed by the fact that The Knave's eyepatch kept changing color. The it hit me: It's only red in the scenes ''with the Red Queen'' and black in every else scene. The eyepatch is a visual representation of his actual feelings: When it's red, he's faking love and adoration for the Red Queen but as soon as she leaves, it changes to black to show, that deep down, his just as cold and cruel ("black-hearted") as any other villain.
** Also, Mad Hatter's fits of rage. To be honest, they didn't 'bother' me, but they just came behind the tree from one point, for seemingly without any provocation. Then I started to think: He's supposed to have a mercury poisoning, right? I looked up the symptoms and the mystery was solved. The poisoning hyperstimulates the heart and causes insomnia, but slows the adrenaline glands. Adding the state of Wonderland and his own personal demons it's clear, that he is constantly under stress without the way of releasing it, making the Hatter a ticking time bomb. The pressure builds and builds, until he flies to rage from even the slightest thing, even if someone even mentions something unpleasant.
* [[InsistentTerminology Underland]]/Wonderland seemed like much more of a [[LighterAndSofter safer place]] when Alice was a little girl. Well there's something that should be considered: in the [[Literature/AliceInWonderland original novel]] whenever the Queen of Hearts would send someone to their execution, the King of Hearts would pardon them before it could be carried out. With the king dead, well [[GodSaveUsFromTheQueen you know the rest]]...
* Recently had this breakthrough: It had started bugging me a little that the residents of Wunderland were so set on following a prophesied path. I mean, the whole point of the place is that everyone is mad, so why should they care about prophecy so much? Why not make their own random paths? Then today, I remembered something from "Through the Looking Glass" -- Wonderlanders, or at least Looking-Glass Landers, can remember things backwards ''and forwards.'' To them, they've already remembered what's going to happen! (Hell, when you think about it, isn't a prophecy sort of like a memory of the future anyway?)
* How about this one. At the end of the new film, Alice goes to open trade with China. Historically, this was done by the British Army going to war with China in order to sell Opium. Here's the brilliance: The majority of Alice in Wonderland was written by Caroll when he was regularly taking Opium. Alice is retroactively ensuring her own existence!
** [[http://www.alice-in-wonderland.net/alice11.html#2 Then again...]]
** Well, yes and no, possibly, seeing as the fictional Alice was based on the real Alice Pleasance Liddell, a friend of Carroll's.
* This is a very minor detail, but in that scene where the Red Queen orders the frog executed and his children brought to her, she says, "I love tadpoles on toast, almost as much as I love caviar." The first two times I saw this movie, I thought the horrible thing was that she was treating talking animal kids like food. The third time, I realized that she's talking about eating caviar--''to a fish!'' That's just ''wrong!'' -Katzsoa
** Also doubles as something of an [[InvertedTrope inverted]] YouHaveFailedMe - she's threatening her fish servant with the deaths of his ''[[FridgeHorror unborn children]]'' to keep him in line. -zandercan
* It's been mentioned that Alice is wearing a dress that's only suitable for young girls rather than a nineteen year old. But, with everyone else wearing age-appropriate attire and people constantly telling Alice that she ''should'' be married by now, one must wonder if Alice's mother decided to make Alice look younger, and therefore more proper.
* At the beginning, the White Rabbit says he had to follow a lot of Alices: of course he would, Alice was a very common name in 19th century England.

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