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* DavidVersusGoliath: [[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Harry_Ashmore Harry Ashmore]], then head of the Center for the Study of Democratic Institutions, invokes this trope when describing the situation in Vietnam, with the weaker, smaller Vietnam giving the much larger United States a run for its money. He wonders aloud if, perhaps, the US needed to [[HumblePie humbled this way]].
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* DistinctionWithoutADifference: Journalist [[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/David_Halberstam David Halberstam]] recalls a meeting between war correspondent [[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bernard_B._Fall Bernard Fall]] and Prime Minister of North Vietnam [[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ph%E1%BA%A1m_V%C4%83n_%C4%90%E1%BB%93ng Phạm Văn Đồng]], where the latter said that President of South Vietnam [[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ngo_Dinh_Diem Ngô Đình Diệm]] needed American aid because he was unpopular, and was unpopular because he got American aid. When Fall said that it sounded like a vicious circle, Đồng responded that it was not – it was a downward spiral.
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* DistinctionWithoutADifference: Journalist [[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/David_Halberstam David Halberstam]] recalls a meeting between war correspondent [[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bernard_B._Fall Bernard Fall]] and Prime Minister of North Vietnam [[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ph%E1%BA%A1m_V%C4%83n_%C4%90%E1%BB%93ng org/wiki/Pham_Van_Dong Phạm Văn Đồng]], where the latter said that President of South Vietnam [[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ngo_Dinh_Diem Ngô Đình Diệm]] needed American aid because he was unpopular, and was unpopular because he got American aid. When Fall said that it sounded like a vicious circle, Đồng responded that it was not – it was a downward spiral.
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* ManOnFire: Roger Hilsman recounts the events of [[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Th%C3%ADch_Qu%E1%BA%A3ng_%C4%90%E1%BB%A9c Thích Quảng Đức]] setting himself on fire.
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* ManOnFire: Roger Hilsman recounts the events of [[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Th%C3%ADch_Qu%E1%BA%A3ng_%C4%90%E1%BB%A9c org/wiki/Thich_Quang_Duc Thích Quảng Đức]] setting himself on fire.
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* SoundtrackDissonance: The film ends with "The Battle Hymn of the Republic", a patriotic song extolling the American military as God's army on earth, playing over footage of American wounded being evacuated, juxtaposing a rousing song implying that God will lead the United States to victory with images of the human costs of government mismanagement and incompetence, which the film believes will eventually lead to the defeat for the US.
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* NotSoDifferent: Senator [[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thruston_Ballard_Morton Thruston B. Morton]] notes that the Vietnamese view Ho Chi Minh similarly to how citizens of the United States view UsefulNotes/GeorgeWashington.
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* NotSoDifferent: NotSoDifferentRemark: Senator [[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thruston_Ballard_Morton Thruston B. Morton]] notes that the Vietnamese view Ho Chi Minh similarly to how citizens of the United States view UsefulNotes/GeorgeWashington.
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** [[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joseph_Buttinger Joseph Buttinger]] says that decline of the Diệm regime was marked by an increase in corruption. He recalls a dinner with Diệm's brother Nhu, who said that while there could have been an opposition in South Vietnam if he led it, the problem was that he was the only intelligent man around, and he didn't have the capacity to both lead his brother the President and organize the opposition.
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** [[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joseph_Buttinger Joseph Buttinger]] says that the decline of the Diệm regime was marked by an increase in corruption. He recalls a dinner with Diệm's brother Nhu, who said that while there could have been an opposition in South Vietnam if he led it, the problem was that he was the only intelligent man around, and he didn't have the capacity to both lead his brother the President and organize the opposition.
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* DistinctionWithoutADifference: Journalist [[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/David_Halberstam David Halberstam]] recalls a meeting between war correspondent [[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bernard_B._Fall Bernard Fall]] and Prime Minister of North Vietnam [[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ph%E1%BA%A1m_V%C4%83n_%C4%90%E1%BB%93ng Phạm Văn Đồng]], where the latter said that President of South Vietnam [[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ngo_Dinh_Diem Ngô Đình Diệm]] needed American aid because he was unpopular, and was unpopular because he got American aid. When Fall said that it sounded like a vicious circle, Đồng responded that it was not – it was a downward spiral.
* DrunkWithPower: Joseph Buttinger says that Ngô Đình Nhu and his wife Madame Nhu both had a drive for power that is best described as pathological.
* DrunkWithPower: Joseph Buttinger says that Ngô Đình Nhu and his wife Madame Nhu both had a drive for power that is best described as pathological.
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* DistinctionWithoutADifference: Journalist [[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/David_Halberstam David Halberstam]] recalls a meeting between war correspondent [[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bernard_B._Fall Bernard Fall]] and Prime Minister of North Vietnam [[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ph%E1%BA%A1m_V%C4%83n_%C4%90%E1%BB%93ng Phạm Văn Đồng]], where the latter said that President of South Vietnam [[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ngo_Dinh_Diem Ngô Đình Diệm]] needed American aid because he was unpopular, and was unpopular because he got American aid. When Fall said that it sounded like a vicious circle, Đồng responded that it was not – it was a downward spiral.
* DrunkWithPower: Joseph Buttinger says that Ngô Đình Nhu and his wife Madame Nhu both had a drive for power that is best described as pathological.
* DrunkWithPower: Joseph Buttinger says that Ngô Đình Nhu and his wife Madame Nhu both had a drive for power that is best described as pathological.
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* ManOnFire: Roger Hilsman recounts the events of [[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Th%C3%ADch_Qu%E1%BA%A3ng_%C4%90%E1%BB%A9c Thích Quảng Đức]] setting himself on fire.
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* ManOnFire: Roger Hilsman recounts the events of [[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Th%C3%ADch_Qu%E1%BA%A3ng_%C4%90%E1%BB%A9c Thích Quảng Đức]] setting himself on fire.
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* OccupiersOutOfOurCountry: It is noted that nationalism is the reason the Vietnamese fight the French and later the Americans – communism is mostly incidental as something to rally around.
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* OccupiersOutOfOurCountry: It is noted that nationalism is the reason the Vietnamese fight the French and later the Americans – communism is mostly incidental as something to rally around.
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''In the Year of the Pig'' is a 1968 documentary by Creator/EmileDeAntonio chronicling UsefulNotes/TheVietnamWar and the events leading up to it, from the end of UsefulNotes/WorldWarTwo to the late 1960s.
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* BlackmailIsSuchAnUglyWord: Says Senator Thruston B. Morton:
-->We've put over three million of them into what I would call a concentration camp. They call it a "refugee center".
* ChronicBackstabbingDisorder: Says French scholar [[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paul_Mus Paul Mus]]:
-->[E]very time Ho Chi Minh has trusted us, we betrayed him!
* CorruptPolitician:
** [[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joseph_Buttinger Joseph Buttinger]] says that decline of the Diệm regime was marked by an increase in corruption. He recalls a dinner with Diệm's brother Nhu, who said that while there could have been an opposition in South Vietnam if he led it, the problem was that he was the only intelligent man around, and he didn't have the capacity to both lead his brother the President and organize the opposition.
** Then-House Minority Leader UsefulNotes/GeraldFord argues on June 18, 1965 that refusing to allow elections to be held in Vietnam in 1956 was the only proper course of action because elections held in communist-controlled North Vietnam would not have been free elections. Wayne Morse provides an alternative viewpoint (see PuppetState, below).
* DisasterDominoes: [[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Foster_Dulles John Foster Dulles]], U.S. Secretary of State in the Eisenhower administration, introduces the so-called [[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Domino_theory domino theory]], whereby one country turning to communism would lead to another doing the same, and then another, and so on.
* DistinctionWithoutADifference: Journalist [[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/David_Halberstam David Halberstam]] recalls a meeting between war correspondent [[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bernard_B._Fall Bernard Fall]] and Prime Minister of North Vietnam [[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ph%E1%BA%A1m_V%C4%83n_%C4%90%E1%BB%93ng Phạm Văn Đồng]], where the latter said that President of South Vietnam [[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ngo_Dinh_Diem Ngô Đình Diệm]] needed American aid because he was unpopular, and was unpopular because he got American aid. When Fall said that it sounded like a vicious circle, Đồng responded that it was not – it was a downward spiral.
* DrunkWithPower: Joseph Buttinger says that Ngô Đình Nhu and his wife Madame Nhu both had a drive for power that is best described as pathological.
* TheKenBurnsEffect: Early on, this is used on a photo of a man at a helicopter with ammunition belts draped around him. He gets a FeetFirstIntroduction and then it pans up to his face.
* ManOnFire: Roger Hilsman recounts the events of [[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Th%C3%ADch_Qu%E1%BA%A3ng_%C4%90%E1%BB%A9c Thích Quảng Đức]] setting himself on fire.
* NotSoDifferent: Senator [[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thruston_Ballard_Morton Thruston B. Morton]] notes that the Vietnamese view Ho Chi Minh similarly to how citizens of the United States view UsefulNotes/GeorgeWashington.
* OccupiersOutOfOurCountry: It is noted that nationalism is the reason the Vietnamese fight the French and later the Americans – communism is mostly incidental as something to rally around.
* PuppetState: Senator [[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wayne_Morse Wayne Morse]] says that the U.S. used its power and influence to create one of these in Vietnam by not allowing elections to be held in accordance with the [[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1954_Geneva_Conference Geneva Accords]], contrasting Gerald Ford's viewpoint (see CorruptPolitician, above).
* RedScare: The threat of communism is brought up multiple times as a reason to fight in Vietnam. Senator UsefulNotes/JosephMcCarthy warns of becoming "an island in a communist sea" if Indochina is lost.
* UnreliableVoiceover: We get to simultaneously hear reassurances that prisoners of war are treated in accordance with the Geneva Conventions and see prisoners of war get beaten up.
* WarForFunAndProfit: Thruston B. Morton muses that since such a large portion of the U.S. economy is geared towards the military, there is a risk of a military-industrial alliance affecting policy, and Vietnam is a case in point.
* WeHaveReserves: U.S. Generals [[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Curtis_LeMay Curtis LeMay]] and [[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mark_W._Clark Mark Clark]] make the case that an important difference between the two sides of the conflict is that the lives of the soldiers are more precious to the Americans than to the communist enemy – that the communists are willing to lose men in larger numbers than the Americans, and that it would therefore be prudent to make the means with which the war is fought material rather than people.
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!!Provides examples of:
* BlackmailIsSuchAnUglyWord: Says Senator Thruston B. Morton:
-->We've put over three million of them into what I would call a concentration camp. They call it a "refugee center".
* ChronicBackstabbingDisorder: Says French scholar [[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paul_Mus Paul Mus]]:
-->[E]very time Ho Chi Minh has trusted us, we betrayed him!
* CorruptPolitician:
** [[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joseph_Buttinger Joseph Buttinger]] says that decline of the Diệm regime was marked by an increase in corruption. He recalls a dinner with Diệm's brother Nhu, who said that while there could have been an opposition in South Vietnam if he led it, the problem was that he was the only intelligent man around, and he didn't have the capacity to both lead his brother the President and organize the opposition.
** Then-House Minority Leader UsefulNotes/GeraldFord argues on June 18, 1965 that refusing to allow elections to be held in Vietnam in 1956 was the only proper course of action because elections held in communist-controlled North Vietnam would not have been free elections. Wayne Morse provides an alternative viewpoint (see PuppetState, below).
* DisasterDominoes: [[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Foster_Dulles John Foster Dulles]], U.S. Secretary of State in the Eisenhower administration, introduces the so-called [[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Domino_theory domino theory]], whereby one country turning to communism would lead to another doing the same, and then another, and so on.
* DistinctionWithoutADifference: Journalist [[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/David_Halberstam David Halberstam]] recalls a meeting between war correspondent [[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bernard_B._Fall Bernard Fall]] and Prime Minister of North Vietnam [[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ph%E1%BA%A1m_V%C4%83n_%C4%90%E1%BB%93ng Phạm Văn Đồng]], where the latter said that President of South Vietnam [[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ngo_Dinh_Diem Ngô Đình Diệm]] needed American aid because he was unpopular, and was unpopular because he got American aid. When Fall said that it sounded like a vicious circle, Đồng responded that it was not – it was a downward spiral.
* DrunkWithPower: Joseph Buttinger says that Ngô Đình Nhu and his wife Madame Nhu both had a drive for power that is best described as pathological.
* TheKenBurnsEffect: Early on, this is used on a photo of a man at a helicopter with ammunition belts draped around him. He gets a FeetFirstIntroduction and then it pans up to his face.
* ManOnFire: Roger Hilsman recounts the events of [[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Th%C3%ADch_Qu%E1%BA%A3ng_%C4%90%E1%BB%A9c Thích Quảng Đức]] setting himself on fire.
* NotSoDifferent: Senator [[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thruston_Ballard_Morton Thruston B. Morton]] notes that the Vietnamese view Ho Chi Minh similarly to how citizens of the United States view UsefulNotes/GeorgeWashington.
* OccupiersOutOfOurCountry: It is noted that nationalism is the reason the Vietnamese fight the French and later the Americans – communism is mostly incidental as something to rally around.
* PuppetState: Senator [[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wayne_Morse Wayne Morse]] says that the U.S. used its power and influence to create one of these in Vietnam by not allowing elections to be held in accordance with the [[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1954_Geneva_Conference Geneva Accords]], contrasting Gerald Ford's viewpoint (see CorruptPolitician, above).
* RedScare: The threat of communism is brought up multiple times as a reason to fight in Vietnam. Senator UsefulNotes/JosephMcCarthy warns of becoming "an island in a communist sea" if Indochina is lost.
* UnreliableVoiceover: We get to simultaneously hear reassurances that prisoners of war are treated in accordance with the Geneva Conventions and see prisoners of war get beaten up.
* WarForFunAndProfit: Thruston B. Morton muses that since such a large portion of the U.S. economy is geared towards the military, there is a risk of a military-industrial alliance affecting policy, and Vietnam is a case in point.
* WeHaveReserves: U.S. Generals [[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Curtis_LeMay Curtis LeMay]] and [[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mark_W._Clark Mark Clark]] make the case that an important difference between the two sides of the conflict is that the lives of the soldiers are more precious to the Americans than to the communist enemy – that the communists are willing to lose men in larger numbers than the Americans, and that it would therefore be prudent to make the means with which the war is fought material rather than people.
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