History FandomRivalry / Other

* Although mainly because of political reasons (and not on the internet, but rather an actual rivalry, with fighting), traditional Oi! skinheads and antifascist punks vs neo-nazi boneheads (who call themselves skinheads)
* Theists vs. atheists. Someone was going to say it.
** And (to a certain extent) [[TakeAThirdOption agnostics]].
** This also applies to the countless interreligion and intra-religion feuds.
* W.E.B. [=DuBois=] followers vs Booker T. Washington supporters. Both were early civil rights leaders, but could hardly be more different in their ideas. Washington urged black Americans to learn a trade and become part of the working class, where their buying power would naturally bring them into acceptance within white society. [=DuBois=] urged black Americans to study literature and the arts, embrace their cultural roots, and demand equal rights through fierce political action. Washington and his followers argued that [=DuBois=]'s strategy was too unrealistic and abstract, while [=DuBois=] and his followers accused Washington of perpetuating the blacks' low social status.
* Among wineries, there's Napa Valley vs. France. This was originally one-sided, with the French basically ignoring California, but it's become more balanced over time (the French still regard the Americans as ''parvenus'', but the fact of competition means they actually have to pay attention).
** Also Napa and the neighboring Sonoma Valley.
* Low-calorie fans vs. low-carb fans. (And by extension, saturated fats vs. unsaturated fats, vegetarians vs. omnivores, etc.)
* Coke fans vs. Pepsi fans.
** Who are united, however, against foolish people who insist the drinks taste the same.
** And then there's [[TakeAThirdOption Dr. Pepper]].
*** The real rivalry there is Dr Pepper vs Mr Pibb.
*** Along with all the other generic drinks.
* UsefulNotes/McDonalds fans vs. Burger King fans.
** Also [[TakeAThirdOption Wendy's]].
** Said restaurant rivalry do not apply in the UsefulNotes/{{Philippines}}, where the local restaurant chain Jollibee hold the reins all over the country, and UsefulNotes/McDonalds come in second place. Burger King and Wendy's are somewhat obscure outside of major urban areas.
** Meanwhile, while the rivalry exists in Australia (although Burger King is called Hungry Jack's), many Aussies snark that if you want a good burger, you go to the local fish & chips shop.
* White Castle vs Krystal.
** To the extent that there is/used to be a billboard just across the Tennessee/Kentucky state line on I-65 North advertising "Last chance for Krystal" ahead.
* UsefulNotes/KentuckyFriedChicken vs. Popeyes vs. (if applicable) Churches vs. Browns[[note]]once again, if applicable[[/note]], vs. Harolds.
** In Australia, KFC vs Red Rooster vs Nando's.
** In America and especially Japan, KFC VS [=McDonalds=]. To the point that various [[StupidStatementDanceMix remixes of Japanese Ronald McDonald commercials]] [[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XXU68uo9qUc&t=573s would frequently show Colonel Sanders]] (mascot and founder of KFC) [[TakeThat as an easy target for Ronald.]] Helps that both [=McDonalds=] and KFC are [[GermansLoveDavidHasselhoff insanely popular in Japan.]]
* Five Guys vs. In 'N' Out.
* Domino's vs. Pizza Hut.
** And in certain areas, both of them vs. Papa Johns. Little Caesars joins in as well. And then there's all of them versus local pizzerias.
** In Australia, add in La Porchetta (and to a lesser extent, its upmarket variant, Sofia's)
* In the world of home improvement, the Home Depot vs. Lowe's. In northern states, Menards may be thrown in.
* [[ThisIndexMeows Cats]] vs [[ThisIndexBarks Dogs]]. [[CatDogDichotomy We have a trope for that.]]
* "Normal" pets like dogs and fish vs [[CoolPet more obscure ones]] like rats, ferrets, or iguanas.
* Franchise/{{LEGO}} fans vs. Mega-Bloks and to an extent, Kre-O and, to a lesser extent, LEGO fans vs. all other building block toys. Not sure how strong this is on the non-Lego side, but on at least one Lego fansite, the names of other brands like Mega-Bloks and Tyco are used as replacement swearwords.
* [[SubbingVersusDubbing Subs vs. Dubs.]] It had to be mentioned.
** Alternatively, in the world of Spanish dubs, [=LatAm=] vs Spain.
* Tea vs. coffee.
* Coffee and energy drinks. Coffee is seen as not packing enough punch and for tasting nasty and requiring lots of sugar and other condiments to be palatable to many. Energy drinks are seen by coffee fans as being too sugary on top of having worse potential side effects than coffee.
* X political party and Y political party, ''anywhere''. It's particularly pronounced in the U.S. with the two-party system.
** America actually has more than two parties but you probably wouldn't know that since only the Democrats and Republicans get any attention. This leads to the always-painful liberal vs. conservatives.
** And within the Republican party, moderates vs. Tea Partiers. It's gotten to the point that [[DefeatMeansFriendship unity events]] are being canceled. And of course the Tea Partiers are just going to fire up the Democrats.
** And within the Democrats, it's moderates vs. progressives. The 2016 primary between UsefulNotes/HillaryClinton and Bernie Sanders was a showdown between the two. The two groups continue to snipe at each other, with each side blaming the other for Clinton's loss in the general election.
** In America, the rivalry may exist more due to problems of in-group/out-group identification than actual differences, making this a sad case of manufactured rivalry.[[note]] There are two views of party composition: either bipolar (two huge blocs at each side of the spectrum and a small number of independents/undecideds/apathetics) or unipolar (traditional bell-curve: the majority of people fall somewhere in the middle, and as you move toward the extremes of either side, numbers drop off). Each view favors different strategies -- if you believe the bipolar model, you antagonize your base by driving them to the polls for state issues (this was Karl Rove's strategy in 2004, when many states voted on gay marriage); if you believe the unipolar model, you build a platform around appealing to as many people as possible and avoid extreme stances. The problem (and rivalry) can be partly explained by the fact that the most extreme voices are often the loudest and election math: not every district is hospitable to moderation, nor is every state. What helps a candidate win a Senate seat in California may backfire spectacularly in Ohio. House races are even worse due to gerrymandering. State races are also tricky, as "conservative" and "liberal" vary by location, and sometimes state officers (particularly governors) are put in a position where throwing the national candidate from their party under the bus is the better move. This is one reason candidates have an incentive to favor rhetoric over actual policy proposals. Third party candidates often criticize Democrat-Republican races as a choice between the same thing in different packaging.[[/note]]
* [[RailEnthusiast Railfans]] tend to strongly dislike bus fans and bus transportation in general due to the mostly correct perception that buses killed the majority of streetcar, commuter and long distance rail passenger services across North America. Most railfans will choose to walk long distances to avoid having to ride a bus.
** Similar to the bus issue, some railfans (or people who just prefer traveling by train) will hate airlines because they think flying is a bigger hassle than rail travel or because in the second half of the 20th century the rising popularity of airlines resulted in a major downfall for passenger rail service.
** Union Pacific vs. Burlington Northern Santa Fe and CSX vs. Norfolk Southern, especially their predecessors and purchased railroads. Also other smaller/defunct railroads vs. the aforementioned railroads.
** New York Central vs. The Pennsylvania Railroad is still a big one despite both railroads being out of business since 1968.
** EMD vs. General Electric Transportation vs. defunct locomotive manufacturers (Baldwin for example).
* Knitting and crochet. Seriously.
** And in each of those, but especially in knitting, natural-fiber versus novelty-yarn.
* Firearms:
** In the US, debates rage between fans of the AK-47 (and to a lesser extent, other AK derivatives) and the M-16 (or the civilian version, the AR-15). This is also partly due to the huge political and cultural aspect, as the AK has been often the gun of America's enemies, like the Russians and other communist countries, while the M-16 has been the gun of America. That [=AKs=] were used against M-16s in the UsefulNotes/VietnamWar also is a big point, often brought up in debates/flame wars.
** For handguns, the pre-eminent rivalry is undoubtedly 1911 vs. Glock. They could not be more opposite: the 1911 is a single-stack, heavy, all-steel, single action only hammer-fired gun with multiple external safety features (with both a thumb and a grip safety), while Glocks are double-stack [[labelnote:note]]Single-stack Glocks didn't exist until the Glock 36 was released in 2000, and it took another 14 years before Glock came out with another single-stack model with the G42[[/labelnote]], polymer-framed, lightweight, striker-fired guns with no external safeties (it has a trigger safety, which means it only fires if the trigger is pulled all the way back). And these two models also serve as stand-ins for the larger debate between polymer vs. metal framed pistols: Despite the fact that polymer guns have taken over the firearms market for civilians, law enforcement, and military, there are still lots of people who will swear by steel only and have no time for "plastic" guns, while those on the other side look at the 1911 and its contemporaries as obsolete relics from a by-gone era.
*** And if you thought that was bad, there's the other big debate with pistols: what's better for concealed carry/self-defense, revolvers or self-loaders?
** Leading into all of the above are the Great Caliber debates. 5.56mm or 7.62mm? 9mm or .45? .357 or .44? Speed or size? You will see fans of any popular caliber swearing by their favorites and deriding anything else as inferior.
** To a lesser extent, shotgun fans are divided between Mossberg and Remington, especially for pump-action, and there is further debate between whole pump vs semi-auto shotguns for home defense and competition shooters. For hunters and clay shooters, this is also further extended between double-barrel break action-shotguns: side-by-sides or over/unders?
* Obligatory hentai examples:
** Yaoi fans: There are the ones who like the effeminate boys, and the ones that like [[{{Bara}} muscular guys]].
** Yuri fans vs. male het fans. And yaoi fans vs. female het fans.
** Yaoi and/or yuri fans versus het fans.
** Yuri fans vs yaoi fans. Even at times, male yuri fans vs female yuri fans.
** And of course RuleThirtyFour vs. fans who don't want to see their favorite shows as sexual.
* Not even theoretical physics is immune from this; the most famous example (currently) is proponents of string theory vs. proponents of other theories, with the latter accusing the former of playing unfalsifiable, unscientific mathematical parlour .
** Every science has this, in fact. For example, psychology had [[AllPsychologyIsFreudian psychoanalysis]] vs. behaviourism at its outset, then behaviourism vs. cognitive psychology, then all of the above vs. evolutionary psychology and so on. And then there's [[HardOnSoftScience hard (natural) science vs. soft (social) science]], with people in the hard sciences accusing their softer brethren of being [[HowUnscientific pseudosciences]] and people in the soft sciences accusing them of being smug elitists in turn. And then there's science people vs. arts people, whom they accuse of getting ADegreeInUseless.
** While on HardOnSoftScience, college students might get into some heated arguments: exact sciences vs. human/social sciences, exact sciences vs. biological sciences, law school vs. the other humanities...
* When Brazilian movie magazine ''SET'' was sold to a different publisher, one of the editors [[StartMyOwn started his own publication]], ''Preview''. Then his old boss returned to ''SET''. The magazines have since started a rivalry, particularly fueled by the fact that ''SET'' suffered from chronic ScheduleSlip until it ceased publication (''Preview'' fans even call her "The Dead One").
* As mentioned in the Sports section below, St. Louis and Chicago already have a baseball rivalry but this extends to the two cities themselves since they are basically the two major cities fighting over [[FlyoverCountry the center of the country]]... Kansas City being a possible third option.
* Boeing vs. Airbus. This one's ''real'' SeriousBusiness--after all, the former's biggest fanboy is a certain scholarly gent who goes by the name of Uncle Sam, while the latter has a major fangirl in Europa (no, not the moon of Jupiter). Boeing fans claim Airbus is an upstart company with a crummy name, that gets an unfair leg up with preferential loans from the EU. Airbus reply that Boeing is NotSoDifferent, and is only kept afloat by Pentagon pork and US diplomatic pressure on countries to make their flag carriers buy it. Of course, this mirrors the fact that the companies themselves ''utterly loathe each other'', to the extent that Boeing ignored [[CassandraTruth Airbus's warnings over the 787 battery fiasco]], believing them to be a sneaky plot. This rivalry ranges from mutual bitter WTO disputes, to hilariously bitchy [[http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2012-11-26/airbus-ads-jab-boeing-on-new-jets-as-planemaker-rivalry-sharpens.html advertisement]] [[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9TbRyhLJqT0 wars]].
** Aviation enthusiasts also do this with airlines: United vs. Delta, British Airways vs. Virgin Atlantic, etc.
* Reason vs FL Studio vs Ableton Live vs whatever other DAW.
* In the dinosaur fanboy community, one of the biggest debates involves who would win in a fight between ''[[TyrannosaurusRex Tyrannosaurus]]'' and ''[[AlwaysABiggerFish Spinosaurus]]'' (two of the largest carnivorous dinosaurs), with both sides involving fanboys who constantly think of reasons that their theropod is bigger or stronger while bashing the other. The feud probably started because the ''Spinosaurus'' replaced the ''T. rex'' in ''Film/JurassicParkIII''. Things get worse when the carcharodontosaur ''[[TakeAThirdOption Giganotosaurus]]'' gets involved, with fanboys practically doing the same thing as the other two carnivores. In fact, it would probably extend to a battle of ''any'' of the largest carnivorous dinosaurs.
** Many other animals are victims of fight match ups too, for example for the biggest crocs, there's gharial-like pholidosaur ''Sarcosuchus'' and the alligatoroid ''Deinosuchus'', [[UsefulNotes/PrehistoricLifeNonDinosaurianReptiles even if there were many other crocodyliformes about the same size as them]].
** Then there's the battle of the largest marine predators, giant shark ''Carcharodon megalodon'' and the pliosaur ''Liopleurodon'' (even though the latter wasn't even that big, about 7 metres long, because ''Franchise/WalkingWithDinosaurs'' [[CriticalResearchFailure based the 25 metre long depiction off incredibly fragmentary remains]]).
* [[ArtisticLicensePaleontology Hardcore palaeontology enthusiasts]] vs. people who like [[RaptorAttack featherless dromaeosaurs]] (and other dinosaurs which are thought to have been feathered).
** Paleontology fans vs. cryptozoology fans. Some try to find a healthy balance, but sadly the majority of paleo-nuts like to call crypto-nuts "delusional", while crypto-nuts call paleo-nuts "closed-minded".
* Related to various parts of the the above, Darwinian evolutionists (including theistic evolutionists) vs creationists. Intelligent design is somewhere in the middle, accepting macroevolution but with a religious overtone.
** The young-earth vs. old-earth debate, which is very related, focuses on geology and astronomy rather than biology.
* If an American city has a kind of [[UsefulNotes/CuisinesInAmerica food]] it's famous for, this is bound to happen:
** In UsefulNotes/{{Philadelphia}}, there's the cheesesteak, with the most well-known being Pat's Steaks vs. Geno's Steaks. Most actual Philadelphians actually eschew both, leaving them for the tourists, but still argue over which of the various alternatives they prefer (common ones include Jim's Steaks, Tony Luke's, and John's Roast Pork--which is more famous for its cheesesteaks. Some in nearby South Jersey might also throw in Donkey's Place in Camden, but being that Camden is um, [[{{Gangsterland}} Camden]], it doesn't get mentioned much even though the steaks are good.)
** In UsefulNotes/{{Chicago}}, there are innumerable claimants to the title of best Chicago deep dish pizza. A few places are more popular than others, but the only thing that most aficionados can agree on is that Pizzeria Uno--the unquestioned originator of the modern style--is no longer in the running (having turned into a national chain).
** In UsefulNotes/{{Michigan}}, we get a layercake of rivalry respecting the Coney Island hot dog (a kind of chili dog that has nothing to do with the place in Brooklyn): First, there's a rivalry between Detroit-style dogs (which have a wetter chili) and Flint-style (which have a drier chili) as well as Jackson-style dogs (which claims Flint stole its recipe). Second, there's arguments within both the Detroit-style (American and Lafayette Coney Islands) and Flint-style (Angelo's and Starlite).
* Kids vs. [[ChildrenAreAWaste no kids]]. Some parents think it's their job to convince childless by choice people that [[BabiesMakeEverythingBetter they'll change their minds if they have kids or are around them]], while conversely, too many childfree people think it's okay to mock and belittle those who do choose to have kids, to the point some more extreme types are full-on {{Child Hater}}s.
* In the world of pinball, Creator/WilliamsElectronics vs. Creator/MidwayGames vs. Creator/DataEast, even after Williams bought Midway (Bally was its pinball label) in 1987. When all three left the pinball business in 1999 leaving only Creator/{{Stern}} Pinball (see above), fans of all three companies ganged up on hating Stern and its fans. The current changed beginning in 2012, however, with a series of critical hits from Stern that led to a new appreciation of previously maligned Stern machines. With few people in pinball caring about the manufacturer now, the largest points of contentions are:
** Modding: Is it acceptable to replace incandescent lights with [=LEDs=] on machines built before [=LEDs=] became standard? Are [=LEDs=] too bright for use in darkened locations, such as bars and private game rooms, or do they provide much-needed light for easier viewing? Is putting decals on certain things okay? Is bringing in a decoration from another pinball machine a playful show of humor or blasphemy against the machine and its makers? How much should one spend on modding? Should one even mod a pinball machine at all?
** [[TheProblemWithLicensedGames Licensed themes]]: There are groups that desperately want unlicensed machines, there are groups who are waiting for someone to make a pinball machine with a specific theme, and there are groups who are glad to see anything made at all and appreciate it when there's a theme they like but aren't dedicated fans of. This problem came to the forefront with the release of ''Full Throttle'', the first unlicensed major release in 15 years, whose reception was lukewarm compared to surrounding releases.
** Depiction of women: The release of ''Whoa Nellie! Big Juicy Melons'' from Stern prompted an outcry over Stern's social media pages over its misogyny and blatant MaleGaze. Stern accidentally fanned the flames by removing posts and comments criticizing said misogyny while, at the same time, IFPA, the largest tournament organization, announced women's only division for its major events. This has created a schism between women and male feminists vs. men (and a few women) who like the sex appeal of tables like ''Whoa Nellie!''
* In the roller coaster industry, there are several: for steel coasters, there is Bolliger & Mabillard vs. Intamin, and Schwarzkopf vs. Arrow Dynamics. For wooden coasters, there is the Gravity Group vs. Great Coasters International vs. Rocky Mountain Construction.
* Krispy Kreme versus Dunkin Donuts is a common debate. Don't get Starbucks or Tim Hortons into the argument or you'll really have a brawl. And heaven forbid that your local coffee shops get in the mix.
* Tabasco sauce vs. Sriracha sauce. Fans of both agree on one thing at least: That hot sauce goes on everything.
* Fresh ramen vs. UsefulNotes/RamenAsDehydratedNoodles. Fans of the former look down on instant ramen for being nothing compared to fresh ramen, while fans of the later defend its comparatively super-cheap cost and availability since not everyone has the budget to spend money to go to a ramen shop or the geographical proximity to one (especially if one lives outside of Japan).
* Among guitarists, there are diehard fans of Gibson and Fender. More specifically, there's a lot of discussion about both companies' flagship models, two of the most iconic guitars of all time: the Gibson Les Paul and the Fender Stratocaster.
* For a long time, amateur radio vs. [[HollywoodCB CB]]. CB was a direct competitor to ham radio for newbies because it allowed users to communicate by voice, while beginning hams were limited to Morse Code. Also, the FCC placed the CB channels on a frequency band that had previously been assigned to hams (but was little used, which was why they took it away). Hams viewed [=CBers=] as riff-raff, [=CBers=] viewed hams as snobs. The decline in CB popularity plus the addition of some voice privileges for Novice Class hams in 1987 basically ended the rivalry.
* There are two advocacy groups for the blind in the US: The American Council of the Blind, and the National Federation of the Blind. They have very different philosophies on how to integrate blind people into society. In general, the ACB thinks society should change to accommodate blind people, whereas the NFB thinks blind people should adapt to society as it is where possible. To outsiders, the NFB can seem radical and strident (they once campaigned against tactile currency because 'blind people can handle money just fine as is', while the ACB can seem whiny and needy. So strong is their mutual hatred that they schedule their national conventions at the same time, so you can't go to both.
* This applies to some people who like their favorite holiday with a passion but hate another holiday with a vengeance, and there are several of them: Christmas vs. Halloween, Valentine's Day vs. St. Patrick's Day, Easter vs. April Fool's Day, etc.
* Traditional vs Digital artists. Although there are artists who combine both traditional and digital media, there exist some purists who believe that using computers is cheating.
** On a related note, some exponents also fight over whether using reference photos for illustration is cheating.
** Serious oil painters have a big bone to pick with fans of Bob Ross and Bill Alexander who are both known for their roles in making oil painting easily accessible to amateurs via their PBS TV shows such as ''The Magic Of Oil Painting''. Serious painters feel that Ross and Alexander were not teaching true painting techniques but just a handful of hacks.

** [[HetIsEw Yuri fans vs. male het fans. And yaoi fans vs. female het fans.]]

** In American and especially Japan, KFC VS [=McDonalds=]. To the point that various [[StupidStatementDanceMix remixes of Japanese Ronald McDonald commercials]] [[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XXU68uo9qUc&t=573s would frequently show Colonel Sanders]] (mascot and founder of KFC) [[TakeThat as an easy target for Ronald.]] Helps that both [=McDonalds=] and KFC are [[GermansLoveDavidHasselhoff insanely popular in Japan.]]

** In American and especially Japan, KFC VS McDonalds. To the point that various [[StupidStatementDanceMix remixes of Japanese Ronald McDonald commercials]] [[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XXU68uo9qUc&t=573s would frequently show Colonel Sanders]] (mascot and founder of KFC) [[TakeThat as an easy target for Ronald.]]

* Kids vs. no kids. Some parents think it's their job to convince childless by choice people that [[BabiesMakeEverythingBetter they'll change their minds if they have kids or are around them]], while conversely, too many childfree people think it's okay to mock and belittle those who do choose to have kids, to the point some more extreme types are full-on {{Child Hater}}s.

* "Normal" pets like dogs and fish vs more obscure ones like rats, ferrets, or iguanas.

* [[ThisIndexMeows Cats]] vs [[ThisIndexBarks Dogs]].

* For a long time, amateur radio vs.[[HollywoodCB CB]]. CB was a direct competitor to ham radio for newbies because it allowed users to communicate by voice, while beginning hams were limited to Morse Code. Also, the FCC placed the CB channels on a frequency band that had previously been assigned to hams (but was little used, which was why they took it away). Hams viewed [=CBers=] as riff-raff, [=CBers=] viewed hams as snobs. The decline in CB popularity plus the addition of some voice privileges for Novice Class hams in 1987 basically ended the rivalry.

** Said restaurant rivalry do not apply in the UsefulNotes/{{Philippines}}, where the local chain Jollibee hold the reins, and where UsefulNotes/McDonalds come in second place. Burger King and Wendy's are somewhat obscure outside of major cities and shopping malls.

* Among wineries, there's Napa Valley vs. France.

** Said restaurant rivalry does not apply in the Philippines, where UsefulNotes/McDonalds has to contend with a certain red fat jolly bee.

* This applies to some people who like their favorite holiday with a passion but hate another holiday with a vengeance, and there are several of them: Christmas vs. Halloween, Valentine's Day vs. St. Patrick's Day, Easter vs. April Fool's Day, etc.

* This applies to some people who liked their favorite holiday with a passion but hate another holiday with a vengeance and there are several of them: Christmas vs. Halloween, Valentine's Day vs. St. Patrick's Day, Easter vs. April Fool's Day, etc.

** Straight shota vs. yaoi shota.

* Tea and coffee.

** And in certain areas, both of them vs. Papa Johns. Little Caesars joins in as well.

* This applies to some people who liked their favourite holiday wia th passion but hate another holiday with a vengeance and there are several of them: Christmas vs. Halloween, Valentine's Day vs. St. Patrick's Day, Easter vs. April Fool's Day, etc.