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* Creator/CirqueDuSoleil has had a few missteps in tour itineraries and miscellaneous projects (such as entertainment for the Celebrity Cruises line) that went over poorly, but for the live shows that serve as the company's backbone, the company generally works hard to improve troubled productions and refine good ones, so even a rocky start can pay off later. But in doing more and more shows, trying to put new twists on their usual fare, and expanding into new markets that may or may not be welcoming, they hit a DorkAge in TheNewTens, resulting in a purge of shows and triple-digit company layoffs over 2012-13 to set things to rights.
** ''[=ZAIA=]'' (2008) was an attempt at a permanent show in China, specifically gambling mecca Macau. The show was panned by Cirque fans as old hat, gamblers weren't interested in seeing a show (unlike in UsefulNotes/LasVegas, where Cirque has several popular shows), and it was competing with the country's many native circuses; it closed in 2012. ''Theatre/{{Zed}}'', by comparison, was hailed by critics and fans when it opened at Tokyo Disneyland less than two months later... but bad luck, namely the tourism slowdown following the Tohoku earthquake in 2011, also doomed it to closure in 2012.
** ''Criss Angel Believe'' (2008) was a magic show collaboration with the illusionist. With high expectations as their ''sixth'' resident show in UsefulNotes/LasVegas (facing locals fatigued with their omnipresence), their first magic show, ''and'' their first show built around a specific performer, it opened to almost universally negative critical reviews and even nastier audience response. It's still running and professional reviews have improved, but that was due mostly to the bulk of Cirque-typical elements being dropped in a {{Retool}}.
** ''Banana Shpeel'' (2010) was a {{vaudeville}}-inspired variation on the company's house style (with much more time given to comedy acts than the norm) and their first show for "legit" theaters, doing a tryout run in UsefulNotes/{{Chicago}} before hitting UsefulNotes/NewYorkCity in the spring of 2010. Heavy {{retool}}ing in the wake of poor reviews for the tryout delayed the NYC opening by three months... which meant that it opened '''after''' their traditional tent tour ''[=OVO=]'' arrived in the city for a two-month run, instead of before. While reviews were better in New York, they weren't as good as ''[=OVO=]'''s, and ''Banana Shpeel'' wound up closing two months sooner than planned. A ''New York Times'' article detailing what went wrong is [[http://www.nytimes.com/2010/06/26/theater/26shpeel.html here]]. A North American tour was planned even after the closure in New York, but scuppered after its opening engagement in Toronto flopped.
** ''Viva Elvis'' (2010) was a UsefulNotes/LasVegas-based JukeboxMusical / circus hybrid based on the music of Elvis Presley. But while ''The Beatles LOVE'' proved this concept could work for Cirque, Presley's more down-to-Earth music and world wasn't as good a fit for them. According to ''Variety'', it never sold more than 60% of its seats for any given performance, and thus closed in less than two years -- the first Vegas Cirque show to close outright.
** ''[=IRIS=]'' (2011) attempted to establish a permanent show in Los Angeles with its history-of-filmmaking theme. Reviews were good, but locals didn't bite and it couldn't attract out-of-towners. It closed in 2013.
* Even Creator/RodgersAndHammerstein, those titans of American musical theatre, could hit a rough patch now and then. Their 1958 show ''Literature/FlowerDrumSong'', for instance, was condemned as [[ModernMinstrelsy "an Oriental minstrel show."]]
* Even those who are only, at best, casual fans of ballet will generally agree that the Mariinsky Ballet in [[UsefulNotes/TheCityFormerlyKnownAs St. Petersburg]] is [[http://observer.com/2015/01/a-season-of-the-mariinsky-conjures-more-questions-than-answers/ suffering from this]] under its current artistic director, Yuri Fateyev. [[WTHCastingAgency Horrendous casting decisions]], while a favorite for critics to bring up, aren't the only part of the problem, either.
* A huge debate among fans of [[TheMusical musical theatre]] involves this trope: Has the medium gone through a Dork Age and come out on the other side, has it been trapped in one with no way out since X show/era, or has it not fallen into one at all? The answer depends on the fan's tastes. The worst-case scenario is seen as the form permanently falling into this trope in TheSeventies. Most of the "Golden Age" shows of the 1940s through the '60s had come and gone, composers of that era were largely running on fumes with their newest works if they weren't retiring or dying, and not all fans embraced the harder-edged, often conceptually challenging and dark work of Music/StephenSondheim, the most acclaimed composer-lyricist of that decade. Also, Broadway was notoriously slow to adapt to changing popular musical tastes, and many of the early shows that incorporated rock, R&B, pop, etc. did not age well -- if they were even successful to begin with. The most commonly cited Dork Age is TheEighties, when Creator/AndrewLloydWebber's success in the previous decade exploded starting with ''Theatre/{{Cats}}'', which formally ushered in the age of the {{spectacle}}-driven "megamusical", a subgenre that critics drubbed as style over substance. Although the megamusical is dead and gone with regards to new works, the old ones remain popular while Disney stage musicals, ''Theatre/{{Wicked}}'', and the like owe a lot to that subgenre aesthetically.\\\
Since the TurnOfTheMillennium, the medium has suffered creatively for the exploding popularity of the JukeboxMusical (which exclusively relies upon music an audience knows going in), the increasingly mercenary approach to AllMusicalsAreAdaptations with the Disney musicals opening the floodgates for seemingly ''every'' vaguely-popular family-friendly property being put on a stage, theatre in general becoming subject to PopCultureIsolation, and challenging adult-oriented works failing to manage toeholds in FlyoverCountry. Between all that, and older fans being reluctant or even unwilling to accept post-Golden Age styles, cases have been made that 21st century musical theatre is nothing more than an overpriced tourist trap, the odd ''Theatre/TheBookOfMormon'' or ''Theatre/{{Hamilton}}'' aside.
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* Creator/CirqueDuSoleil has had a few missteps in tour itineraries and miscellaneous projects (such as entertainment for the Celebrity Cruises line) that went over poorly, but for the live shows that serve as the company's backbone, the company generally works hard to improve troubled productions and refine good ones, so even a rocky start can pay off later. But in doing more and more shows, trying to put new twists on their usual fare, and expanding into new markets that may or may not be welcoming, they hit a DorkAge in TheNewTens, resulting in a purge of shows and triple-digit company layoffs over 2012-13 to set things to rights.
** ''[=ZAIA=]'' (2008) was an attempt at a permanent show in China, specifically gambling mecca Macau. The show was panned by Cirque fans as old hat, gamblers weren't interested in seeing a show (unlike in UsefulNotes/LasVegas, where Cirque has several popular shows), and it was competing with the country's many native circuses; it closed in 2012. ''Theatre/{{Zed}}'', by comparison, was hailed by critics and fans when it opened at Tokyo Disneyland less than two months later... but bad luck, namely the tourism slowdown following the Tohoku earthquake in 2011, also doomed it to closure in 2012.
** ''Criss Angel Believe'' (2008) was a magic show collaboration with the illusionist. With high expectations as their ''sixth'' resident show in UsefulNotes/LasVegas (facing locals fatigued with their omnipresence), their first magic show, ''and'' their first show built around a specific performer, it opened to almost universally negative critical reviews and even nastier audience response. It's still running and professional reviews have improved, but that was due mostly to the bulk of Cirque-typical elements being dropped in a {{Retool}}.
** ''Banana Shpeel'' (2010) was a {{vaudeville}}-inspired variation on the company's house style (with much more time given to comedy acts than the norm) and their first show for "legit" theaters, doing a tryout run in UsefulNotes/{{Chicago}} before hitting UsefulNotes/NewYorkCity in the spring of 2010. Heavy {{retool}}ing in the wake of poor reviews for the tryout delayed the NYC opening by three months... which meant that it opened '''after''' their traditional tent tour ''[=OVO=]'' arrived in the city for a two-month run, instead of before. While reviews were better in New York, they weren't as good as ''[=OVO=]'''s, and ''Banana Shpeel'' wound up closing two months sooner than planned. A ''New York Times'' article detailing what went wrong is [[http://www.nytimes.com/2010/06/26/theater/26shpeel.html here]]. A North American tour was planned even after the closure in New York, but scuppered after its opening engagement in Toronto flopped.
** ''Viva Elvis'' (2010) was a UsefulNotes/LasVegas-based JukeboxMusical / circus hybrid based on the music of Elvis Presley. But while ''The Beatles LOVE'' proved this concept could work for Cirque, Presley's more down-to-Earth music and world wasn't as good a fit for them. According to ''Variety'', it never sold more than 60% of its seats for any given performance, and thus closed in less than two years -- the first Vegas Cirque show to close outright.
** ''[=IRIS=]'' (2011) attempted to establish a permanent show in Los Angeles with its history-of-filmmaking theme. Reviews were good, but locals didn't bite and it couldn't attract out-of-towners. It closed in 2013.
* Even Creator/RodgersAndHammerstein, those titans of American musical theatre, could hit a rough patch now and then. Their 1958 show ''Literature/FlowerDrumSong'', for instance, was condemned as [[ModernMinstrelsy "an Oriental minstrel show."]]
* Even those who are only, at best, casual fans of ballet will generally agree that the Mariinsky Ballet in [[UsefulNotes/TheCityFormerlyKnownAs St. Petersburg]] is [[http://observer.com/2015/01/a-season-of-the-mariinsky-conjures-more-questions-than-answers/ suffering from this]] under its current artistic director, Yuri Fateyev. [[WTHCastingAgency Horrendous casting decisions]], while a favorite for critics to bring up, aren't the only part of the problem, either.
* A huge debate among fans of [[TheMusical musical theatre]] involves this trope: Has the medium gone through a Dork Age and come out on the other side, has it been trapped in one with no way out since X show/era, or has it not fallen into one at all? The answer depends on the fan's tastes. The worst-case scenario is seen as the form permanently falling into this trope in TheSeventies. Most of the "Golden Age" shows of the 1940s through the '60s had come and gone, composers of that era were largely running on fumes with their newest works if they weren't retiring or dying, and not all fans embraced the harder-edged, often conceptually challenging and dark work of Music/StephenSondheim, the most acclaimed composer-lyricist of that decade. Also, Broadway was notoriously slow to adapt to changing popular musical tastes, and many of the early shows that incorporated rock, R&B, pop, etc. did not age well -- if they were even successful to begin with. The most commonly cited Dork Age is TheEighties, when Creator/AndrewLloydWebber's success in the previous decade exploded starting with ''Theatre/{{Cats}}'', which formally ushered in the age of the {{spectacle}}-driven "megamusical", a subgenre that critics drubbed as style over substance. Although the megamusical is dead and gone with regards to new works, the old ones remain popular while Disney stage musicals, ''Theatre/{{Wicked}}'', and the like owe a lot to that subgenre aesthetically.\\\
Since the TurnOfTheMillennium, the medium has suffered creatively for the exploding popularity of the JukeboxMusical (which exclusively relies upon music an audience knows going in), the increasingly mercenary approach to AllMusicalsAreAdaptations with the Disney musicals opening the floodgates for seemingly ''every'' vaguely-popular family-friendly property being put on a stage, theatre in general becoming subject to PopCultureIsolation, and challenging adult-oriented works failing to manage toeholds in FlyoverCountry. Between all that, and older fans being reluctant or even unwilling to accept post-Golden Age styles, cases have been made that 21st century musical theatre is nothing more than an overpriced tourist trap, the odd ''Theatre/TheBookOfMormon'' or ''Theatre/{{Hamilton}}'' aside.
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** ''[=ZAIA=]'' (2008) was an attempt at a permanent show in China, specifically gambling mecca Macau. The show was panned by Cirque fans as old hat, gamblers weren't interested in seeing a show (unlike in UsefulNotes/LasVegas, where Cirque has several popular shows), and it was competing with the country's many native circuses; it closed in 2012. ''[=ZED=]'', by comparison, was hailed by critics and fans when it opened at Tokyo Disneyland less than two months later... but bad luck, namely the tourism slowdown following the Tohoku earthquake in 2011, also doomed it to closure in 2012.

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** ''[=ZAIA=]'' (2008) was an attempt at a permanent show in China, specifically gambling mecca Macau. The show was panned by Cirque fans as old hat, gamblers weren't interested in seeing a show (unlike in UsefulNotes/LasVegas, where Cirque has several popular shows), and it was competing with the country's many native circuses; it closed in 2012. ''[=ZED=]'', ''Theatre/{{Zed}}'', by comparison, was hailed by critics and fans when it opened at Tokyo Disneyland less than two months later... but bad luck, namely the tourism slowdown following the Tohoku earthquake in 2011, also doomed it to closure in 2012.
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* A huge debate among fans of [[TheMusical musical theatre]] involves this trope: Has the medium gone through a Dork Age and come out on the other side, has it been trapped in one with no way out since X show/era, or has it not fallen into one at all? The answer depends on the fan's tastes. The worst-case scenario is seen as the form permanently falling into this trope in TheSeventies. Most of the "Golden Age" shows of the 1940s through the '60s had come and gone, composers of that era were largely running on fumes with their newest works if they weren't retiring or dying, and not all fans embraced the harder-edged, often conceptually challenging and dark work of Creator/StephenSondheim, the most acclaimed composer-lyricist of that decade. Also, Broadway was notoriously slow to adapt to changing popular musical tastes, and many of the early shows that incorporated rock, R&B, pop, etc. did not age well -- if they were even successful to begin with. The most commonly cited Dork Age is TheEighties, when Creator/AndrewLloydWebber's success in the previous decade exploded starting with ''Theatre/{{Cats}}'', which formally ushered in the age of the {{spectacle}}-driven "megamusical", a subgenre that critics drubbed as style over substance. Although the megamusical is dead and gone with regards to new works, the old ones remain popular while Disney stage musicals, ''Theatre/{{Wicked}}'', and the like owe a lot to that subgenre aesthetically.\\\

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* A huge debate among fans of [[TheMusical musical theatre]] involves this trope: Has the medium gone through a Dork Age and come out on the other side, has it been trapped in one with no way out since X show/era, or has it not fallen into one at all? The answer depends on the fan's tastes. The worst-case scenario is seen as the form permanently falling into this trope in TheSeventies. Most of the "Golden Age" shows of the 1940s through the '60s had come and gone, composers of that era were largely running on fumes with their newest works if they weren't retiring or dying, and not all fans embraced the harder-edged, often conceptually challenging and dark work of Creator/StephenSondheim, Music/StephenSondheim, the most acclaimed composer-lyricist of that decade. Also, Broadway was notoriously slow to adapt to changing popular musical tastes, and many of the early shows that incorporated rock, R&B, pop, etc. did not age well -- if they were even successful to begin with. The most commonly cited Dork Age is TheEighties, when Creator/AndrewLloydWebber's success in the previous decade exploded starting with ''Theatre/{{Cats}}'', which formally ushered in the age of the {{spectacle}}-driven "megamusical", a subgenre that critics drubbed as style over substance. Although the megamusical is dead and gone with regards to new works, the old ones remain popular while Disney stage musicals, ''Theatre/{{Wicked}}'', and the like owe a lot to that subgenre aesthetically.\\\


* A huge debate among fans of [[TheMusical musical theatre]] involves this trope: Has the medium gone through a Dork Age and come out on the other side, has it been trapped in one with no way out since X show/era, or has it not fallen into one at all? The answer depends on the fan's tastes. The worst-case scenario is seen as the form permanently falling into this trope in TheSeventies. Most of the "Golden Age" shows of the 1940s through the '60s had come and gone, composers of that era were largely running on fumes with their newest works if they weren't retiring or dying, and not all fans embraced the harder-edged, often conceptually challenging and dark work of Creator/StephenSondheim, the most acclaimed composer-lyricist of that decade. Also, Broadway was notoriously slow to adapt to changing popular musical tastes, and many of the early shows that incorporated rock, R&B, pop, etc. did not age well -- if they were even successful to begin with. The most commonly cited Dork Age is TheEighties, when Creator/AndrewLloydWebber's success in the previous decade exploded starting with ''Theatre/{{Cats}}'', which formally ushered in the age of the {{spectacle}}-driven "megamusical", a subgenre that critics drubbed as style over substance. Although the megamusical is DeaderThanDisco with regards to new works, the old ones remain popular while Disney stage musicals, ''Theatre/{{Wicked}}'', and the like owe a lot to that subgenre aesthetically.\\\

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* A huge debate among fans of [[TheMusical musical theatre]] involves this trope: Has the medium gone through a Dork Age and come out on the other side, has it been trapped in one with no way out since X show/era, or has it not fallen into one at all? The answer depends on the fan's tastes. The worst-case scenario is seen as the form permanently falling into this trope in TheSeventies. Most of the "Golden Age" shows of the 1940s through the '60s had come and gone, composers of that era were largely running on fumes with their newest works if they weren't retiring or dying, and not all fans embraced the harder-edged, often conceptually challenging and dark work of Creator/StephenSondheim, the most acclaimed composer-lyricist of that decade. Also, Broadway was notoriously slow to adapt to changing popular musical tastes, and many of the early shows that incorporated rock, R&B, pop, etc. did not age well -- if they were even successful to begin with. The most commonly cited Dork Age is TheEighties, when Creator/AndrewLloydWebber's success in the previous decade exploded starting with ''Theatre/{{Cats}}'', which formally ushered in the age of the {{spectacle}}-driven "megamusical", a subgenre that critics drubbed as style over substance. Although the megamusical is DeaderThanDisco dead and gone with regards to new works, the old ones remain popular while Disney stage musicals, ''Theatre/{{Wicked}}'', and the like owe a lot to that subgenre aesthetically.\\\
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* Even those who are only, at best, casual fans of ballet will generally agree that the Mariinsky Ballet in [[TheCityFormerlyKnownAs St. Petersburg]] is [[http://observer.com/2015/01/a-season-of-the-mariinsky-conjures-more-questions-than-answers/ suffering from this]] under its current artistic director, Yuri Fateyev. [[WTHCastingAgency Horrendous casting decisions]], while a favorite for critics to bring up, aren't the only part of the problem, either.

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* Even those who are only, at best, casual fans of ballet will generally agree that the Mariinsky Ballet in [[TheCityFormerlyKnownAs [[UsefulNotes/TheCityFormerlyKnownAs St. Petersburg]] is [[http://observer.com/2015/01/a-season-of-the-mariinsky-conjures-more-questions-than-answers/ suffering from this]] under its current artistic director, Yuri Fateyev. [[WTHCastingAgency Horrendous casting decisions]], while a favorite for critics to bring up, aren't the only part of the problem, either.
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** ''Banana Shpeel'' (2010) was a {{vaudeville}}-inspired variation on the company's house style (with much more time given to comedy acts than the norm) and their first show for "legit" theaters, doing a tryout run in [[TheWindyCity Chicago]] before hitting UsefulNotes/NewYorkCity in the spring of 2010. Heavy {{retool}}ing in the wake of poor reviews for the tryout delayed the NYC opening by three months... which meant that it opened '''after''' their traditional tent tour ''[=OVO=]'' arrived in the city for a two-month run, instead of before. While reviews were better in New York, they weren't as good as ''[=OVO=]'''s, and ''Banana Shpeel'' wound up closing two months sooner than planned. A ''New York Times'' article detailing what went wrong is [[http://www.nytimes.com/2010/06/26/theater/26shpeel.html here]]. A North American tour was planned even after the closure in New York, but scuppered after its opening engagement in Toronto flopped.

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** ''Banana Shpeel'' (2010) was a {{vaudeville}}-inspired variation on the company's house style (with much more time given to comedy acts than the norm) and their first show for "legit" theaters, doing a tryout run in [[TheWindyCity Chicago]] UsefulNotes/{{Chicago}} before hitting UsefulNotes/NewYorkCity in the spring of 2010. Heavy {{retool}}ing in the wake of poor reviews for the tryout delayed the NYC opening by three months... which meant that it opened '''after''' their traditional tent tour ''[=OVO=]'' arrived in the city for a two-month run, instead of before. While reviews were better in New York, they weren't as good as ''[=OVO=]'''s, and ''Banana Shpeel'' wound up closing two months sooner than planned. A ''New York Times'' article detailing what went wrong is [[http://www.nytimes.com/2010/06/26/theater/26shpeel.html here]]. A North American tour was planned even after the closure in New York, but scuppered after its opening engagement in Toronto flopped.
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Today, there is the exploding popularity of the JukeboxMusical (which exclusively relies upon music an audience already knows going in) at the TurnOfTheMillennium, an increasingly mercenary approach to AllMusicalsAreAdaptations with the Disney musicals opening the floodgates for seemingly every vaguely-popular family-friendly property being put on a stage, theatre in general becoming subject to PopCultureIsolation, and more challenging, usually adult-oriented works having a hard time getting a toehold in FlyoverCountry. Between all that, and older fans being reluctant or even unwilling to accept post-Golden Age styles, cases have been made that modern musical theatre is nothing more than an overpriced tourist trap.

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Today, there is Since the TurnOfTheMillennium, the medium has suffered creatively for the exploding popularity of the JukeboxMusical (which exclusively relies upon music an audience already knows going in) at in), the TurnOfTheMillennium, an increasingly mercenary approach to AllMusicalsAreAdaptations with the Disney musicals opening the floodgates for seemingly every ''every'' vaguely-popular family-friendly property being put on a stage, theatre in general becoming subject to PopCultureIsolation, and more challenging, usually challenging adult-oriented works having a hard time getting a toehold failing to manage toeholds in FlyoverCountry. Between all that, and older fans being reluctant or even unwilling to accept post-Golden Age styles, cases have been made that modern 21st century musical theatre is nothing more than an overpriced tourist trap.trap, the odd ''Theatre/TheBookOfMormon'' or ''Theatre/{{Hamilton}}'' aside.

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* A huge debate among fans of [[TheMusical musical theatre]] involves this trope: Has the medium gone through a dork age and come out on the other side, has it been trapped in one with no way out since X show/era, or has it not fallen into one at all? The answer depends on the fan's tastes. The worst-case scenario is seen as the form permanently falling into this trope in TheSeventies -- most of the "Golden Age" shows of the 1940s-60s had come and gone, composers of that era were largely running on fumes with their newest works if they weren't retiring or dying, and not all fans embraced the harder-edged, often conceptually challenging and dark work of Creator/StephenSondheim, the most acclaimed composer-lyricist of that decade. Also, Broadway was notoriously slow to adapt to changing popular musical tastes and many of the early shows that incorporated rock, R&B, pop, etc. did not date well -- if they were even successful. The most commonly cited dork age is TheEighties, when Creator/AndrewLloydWebber's success in the previous decade exploded starting with ''Cats'' formally ushering in the age of the {{Spectacle}}-driven "megamusical", a subgenre that critics drubbed as style over substance. Although the megamusical is DeaderThanDisco with regards to new works, the old ones remain popular while Disney stage musicals, ''Theatre/{{Wicked}}'' and the like owe a lot to that subgenre aesthetically. Combine this with the exploding popularity of the JukeboxMusical (which exclusively relies upon music an audience already knows going in) at the TurnOfTheMillennium, an increasingly mercenary approach to AllMusicalsAreAdaptations with the Disney musicals opening the floodgates for seemingly every vaguely-popular family-friendly property being put on a stage, theatre in general becoming subject to PopCultureIsolation, and more challenging, usually adult-oriented works having a hard time getting a toehold in FlyoverCountry, '''and''' older fans being reluctant or even unwilling to accept post-Golden Age styles, and cases have been made that modern musical theatre is nothing more than an overpriced tourist trap.

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* A huge debate among fans of [[TheMusical musical theatre]] involves this trope: Has the medium gone through a dork age Dork Age and come out on the other side, has it been trapped in one with no way out since X show/era, or has it not fallen into one at all? The answer depends on the fan's tastes. The worst-case scenario is seen as the form permanently falling into this trope in TheSeventies -- most TheSeventies. Most of the "Golden Age" shows of the 1940s-60s 1940s through the '60s had come and gone, composers of that era were largely running on fumes with their newest works if they weren't retiring or dying, and not all fans embraced the harder-edged, often conceptually challenging and dark work of Creator/StephenSondheim, the most acclaimed composer-lyricist of that decade. Also, Broadway was notoriously slow to adapt to changing popular musical tastes tastes, and many of the early shows that incorporated rock, R&B, pop, etc. did not date age well -- if they were even successful. successful to begin with. The most commonly cited dork age Dork Age is TheEighties, when Creator/AndrewLloydWebber's success in the previous decade exploded starting with ''Cats'' ''Theatre/{{Cats}}'', which formally ushering ushered in the age of the {{Spectacle}}-driven {{spectacle}}-driven "megamusical", a subgenre that critics drubbed as style over substance. Although the megamusical is DeaderThanDisco with regards to new works, the old ones remain popular while Disney stage musicals, ''Theatre/{{Wicked}}'' ''Theatre/{{Wicked}}'', and the like owe a lot to that subgenre aesthetically. Combine this with aesthetically.\\\
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the exploding popularity of the JukeboxMusical (which exclusively relies upon music an audience already knows going in) at the TurnOfTheMillennium, an increasingly mercenary approach to AllMusicalsAreAdaptations with the Disney musicals opening the floodgates for seemingly every vaguely-popular family-friendly property being put on a stage, theatre in general becoming subject to PopCultureIsolation, and more challenging, usually adult-oriented works having a hard time getting a toehold in FlyoverCountry, '''and''' FlyoverCountry. Between all that, and older fans being reluctant or even unwilling to accept post-Golden Age styles, and cases have been made that modern musical theatre is nothing more than an overpriced tourist trap.
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* A huge debate among fans of [[TheMusical musical theatre]] involves this trope: Has the medium gone through a dork age and come out on the other side, has it been trapped in one with no way out since X show/era, or has it not fallen into one at all? The answer depends on the fan's tastes. The worst-case scenario is seen as the form permanently falling into this trope in TheSeventies -- most of the "Golden Age" shows of the 1940s-60s had come and gone, composers of that era were largely running on fumes with their newest works if they weren't retiring or dying, and not all fans embraced the harder-edged, often conceptually challenging and dark work of Creator/StephenSondheim, the most acclaimed composer-lyricist of that decade. Also, Broadway was notoriously slow to adapt to changing popular musical tastes and many of the early shows that incorporated rock, R&B, pop, etc. did not date well -- if they were even successful. The most commonly cited dork age is TheEighties, when Creator/AndrewLloydWebber's success in the previous decade exploded starting with ''Cats'' formally ushering in the age of the {{Spectacle}}-driven "megamusical", a subgenre that critics drubbed as style over substance. Although the megamusical is DeaderThanDisco with regards to new works, the old ones remain popular while Disney stage musicals, ''Theatre/{{Wicked}}'' and the like owe a lot to that subgenre aesthetically. Combine this with the exploding popularity of the JukeboxMusical (which exclusively relies upon music an audience already knows going in) at the TurnOfTheMillennium, an increasingly mercenary approach to AllMusicalsAreAdaptations with the Disney musicals opening the floodgates for seemingly every vaguely-popular family-friendly property being put on a stage, theatre in general becoming subject to PopCulturalIsolation, and more challenging, usually adult-oriented works having a hard time getting a toehold in the FlyoverStates, '''and''' older fans being reluctant or even unwilling to accept post-Golden Age styles, and cases have been made that modern musical theatre is nothing more than an overpriced tourist trap.

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* A huge debate among fans of [[TheMusical musical theatre]] involves this trope: Has the medium gone through a dork age and come out on the other side, has it been trapped in one with no way out since X show/era, or has it not fallen into one at all? The answer depends on the fan's tastes. The worst-case scenario is seen as the form permanently falling into this trope in TheSeventies -- most of the "Golden Age" shows of the 1940s-60s had come and gone, composers of that era were largely running on fumes with their newest works if they weren't retiring or dying, and not all fans embraced the harder-edged, often conceptually challenging and dark work of Creator/StephenSondheim, the most acclaimed composer-lyricist of that decade. Also, Broadway was notoriously slow to adapt to changing popular musical tastes and many of the early shows that incorporated rock, R&B, pop, etc. did not date well -- if they were even successful. The most commonly cited dork age is TheEighties, when Creator/AndrewLloydWebber's success in the previous decade exploded starting with ''Cats'' formally ushering in the age of the {{Spectacle}}-driven "megamusical", a subgenre that critics drubbed as style over substance. Although the megamusical is DeaderThanDisco with regards to new works, the old ones remain popular while Disney stage musicals, ''Theatre/{{Wicked}}'' and the like owe a lot to that subgenre aesthetically. Combine this with the exploding popularity of the JukeboxMusical (which exclusively relies upon music an audience already knows going in) at the TurnOfTheMillennium, an increasingly mercenary approach to AllMusicalsAreAdaptations with the Disney musicals opening the floodgates for seemingly every vaguely-popular family-friendly property being put on a stage, theatre in general becoming subject to PopCulturalIsolation, PopCultureIsolation, and more challenging, usually adult-oriented works having a hard time getting a toehold in the FlyoverStates, FlyoverCountry, '''and''' older fans being reluctant or even unwilling to accept post-Golden Age styles, and cases have been made that modern musical theatre is nothing more than an overpriced tourist trap.
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* A huge debate among fans of [[TheMusical musical theatre]] involves this trope: Has the medium gone through a dork age and come out on the other side, has it been trapped in one with no way out since X show/era, or has it not fallen into one at all? The answer depends on the fan's tastes. The worst-case scenario is seen as the form permanently falling into this trope in TheSeventies -- most of the "Golden Age" shows of the 1940s-60s had come and gone, composers of that era were largely running on fumes with their newest works if they weren't retiring or dying, and not all fans embraced the harder-edged, often conceptually challenging and dark work of Creator/StephenSondheim, the most acclaimed composer-lyricist of that decade. Also, Broadway was notoriously slow to adapt to changing popular musical tastes and many of the early shows that incorporated rock, R&B, pop, etc. did not date well -- if they were even successful. The most commonly cited dork age is TheEighties, when Creator/AndrewLloydWebber's success in the previous decade exploded starting with ''Cats'' formally ushering in the age of the {{Spectacle}}-driven "megamusical", a subgenre that critics drubbed as style over substance. Although the megamusical is DeaderThanDisco with regards to new works, the old ones remain popular while Disney stage musicals, ''Theatre/{{Wicked}}'' and the like owe a lot to that subgenre aesthetically. Combine this with the exploding popularity of the JukeboxMusical (which exclusively relies upon music an audience already knows going in) at the TurnOfTheMillennium, an increasingly mercenary approach to AllMusicalsAreAdaptations with the Disney musicals opening the floodgates for seemingly every vaguely-popular family-friendly property being put on a stage, theatre in general becoming subject to PopCulturalIsolation, and more challenging, usually adult-oriented works having a hard time getting a toehold in the FlyoverStates, '''and''' older fans being reluctant or even unwilling to accept post-Golden Age styles, and cases have been made that modern musical theatre is nothing more than an overpriced tourist trap.
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* Even those who aren't into ballet will generally agree that the Mariinsky Ballet is suffering from this under its current artistic director, Yuri Fateyev. Horrendous casting decisions, while a favorite for critics to bring up, aren't the only part of the problem, either.

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* Even those who aren't into are only, at best, casual fans of ballet will generally agree that the Mariinsky Ballet in [[TheCityFormerlyKnownAs St. Petersburg]] is [[http://observer.com/2015/01/a-season-of-the-mariinsky-conjures-more-questions-than-answers/ suffering from this this]] under its current artistic director, Yuri Fateyev. [[WTHCastingAgency Horrendous casting decisions, decisions]], while a favorite for critics to bring up, aren't the only part of the problem, either.
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** ''Banana Shpeel'' (2010) was a {{vaudeville}}-inspired variation on the company's house style (with much more time given to comedy acts than the norm) and their first show for "legit" theaters, doing a tryout run in [[TheWindyCity Chicago]] before hitting NewYorkCity in the spring of 2010. Heavy {{retool}}ing in the wake of poor reviews for the tryout delayed the NYC opening by three months... which meant that it opened '''after''' their traditional tent tour ''[=OVO=]'' arrived in the city for a two-month run, instead of before. While reviews were better in New York, they weren't as good as ''[=OVO=]'''s, and ''Banana Shpeel'' wound up closing two months sooner than planned. A ''New York Times'' article detailing what went wrong is [[http://www.nytimes.com/2010/06/26/theater/26shpeel.html here]]. A North American tour was planned even after the closure in New York, but scuppered after its opening engagement in Toronto flopped.

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** ''Banana Shpeel'' (2010) was a {{vaudeville}}-inspired variation on the company's house style (with much more time given to comedy acts than the norm) and their first show for "legit" theaters, doing a tryout run in [[TheWindyCity Chicago]] before hitting NewYorkCity UsefulNotes/NewYorkCity in the spring of 2010. Heavy {{retool}}ing in the wake of poor reviews for the tryout delayed the NYC opening by three months... which meant that it opened '''after''' their traditional tent tour ''[=OVO=]'' arrived in the city for a two-month run, instead of before. While reviews were better in New York, they weren't as good as ''[=OVO=]'''s, and ''Banana Shpeel'' wound up closing two months sooner than planned. A ''New York Times'' article detailing what went wrong is [[http://www.nytimes.com/2010/06/26/theater/26shpeel.html here]]. A North American tour was planned even after the closure in New York, but scuppered after its opening engagement in Toronto flopped.
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* Even those who aren't into ballet will generally agree that the Mariinsky Ballet is suffering from this under its current artistic director, Yuri Fateyev. Horrendous casting decisions, while a favorite for critics to bring up, aren't the only part of the problem, either.
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** ''[=ZAIA=]'' (2008) was an attempt at a permanent show in China, specifically gambling mecca Macau. The show was panned by Cirque fans as old hat, gamblers weren't interested in seeing a show (unlike in UsefulNotes/LasVegas, where Cirque has several popular shows), and it was competing with the country's many native circuses; it closed in 2012. ''[=ZED=]'', by comparison, was hailed by critics and fans when it opened at Tokyo Disneyland less than two months later...but bad luck, namely the tourism slowdown following the Tohoku earthquake in 2011, also doomed it to closure in 2012.

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** ''[=ZAIA=]'' (2008) was an attempt at a permanent show in China, specifically gambling mecca Macau. The show was panned by Cirque fans as old hat, gamblers weren't interested in seeing a show (unlike in UsefulNotes/LasVegas, where Cirque has several popular shows), and it was competing with the country's many native circuses; it closed in 2012. ''[=ZED=]'', by comparison, was hailed by critics and fans when it opened at Tokyo Disneyland less than two months later... but bad luck, namely the tourism slowdown following the Tohoku earthquake in 2011, also doomed it to closure in 2012.
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** ''[=ZAIA=]'' (2008) was an attempt at a permanent show in China, specifically gambling mecca Macau. The show was panned by Cirque fans as old hat, gamblers weren't interested in seeing a show (unlike in Las Vegas, where Cirque has several popular shows), and it was competing with the country's many native circuses; it closed in 2012. ''[=ZED=]'', by comparison, was hailed by critics and fans when it opened at Tokyo Disneyland less than two months later...but bad luck, namely the tourism slowdown following the Tohoku earthquake in 2011, also doomed it to closure in 2012.
** ''Criss Angel Believe'' (2008) was a magic show collaboration with the illusionist. With high expectations as their ''sixth'' resident show in [[VivaLasVegas Las Vegas]] (facing locals fatigued with their omnipresence), their first magic show, ''and'' their first show built around a specific performer, it opened to almost universally negative critical reviews and even nastier audience response. It's still running and professional reviews have improved, but that was due mostly to the bulk of Cirque-typical elements being dropped in a {{Retool}}.

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** ''[=ZAIA=]'' (2008) was an attempt at a permanent show in China, specifically gambling mecca Macau. The show was panned by Cirque fans as old hat, gamblers weren't interested in seeing a show (unlike in Las Vegas, UsefulNotes/LasVegas, where Cirque has several popular shows), and it was competing with the country's many native circuses; it closed in 2012. ''[=ZED=]'', by comparison, was hailed by critics and fans when it opened at Tokyo Disneyland less than two months later...but bad luck, namely the tourism slowdown following the Tohoku earthquake in 2011, also doomed it to closure in 2012.
** ''Criss Angel Believe'' (2008) was a magic show collaboration with the illusionist. With high expectations as their ''sixth'' resident show in [[VivaLasVegas Las Vegas]] UsefulNotes/LasVegas (facing locals fatigued with their omnipresence), their first magic show, ''and'' their first show built around a specific performer, it opened to almost universally negative critical reviews and even nastier audience response. It's still running and professional reviews have improved, but that was due mostly to the bulk of Cirque-typical elements being dropped in a {{Retool}}.



** ''Viva Elvis'' (2010) was a Las Vegas-based JukeboxMusical / circus hybrid based on the music of Elvis Presley. But while ''The Beatles LOVE'' proved this concept could work for Cirque, Presley's more down-to-Earth music and world wasn't as good a fit for them. According to ''Variety'', it never sold more than 60% of its seats for any given performance, and thus closed in less than two years -- the first Vegas Cirque show to close outright.

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** ''Viva Elvis'' (2010) was a Las Vegas-based UsefulNotes/LasVegas-based JukeboxMusical / circus hybrid based on the music of Elvis Presley. But while ''The Beatles LOVE'' proved this concept could work for Cirque, Presley's more down-to-Earth music and world wasn't as good a fit for them. According to ''Variety'', it never sold more than 60% of its seats for any given performance, and thus closed in less than two years -- the first Vegas Cirque show to close outright.



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* Even RodgersAndHammerstein, those titans of American musical theatre, could hit a rough patch now and then. Their 1958 show ''FlowerDrumSong'', for instance, was condemned as [[ModernMinstrelsy "an Oriental minstrel show."]]

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* Even RodgersAndHammerstein, Creator/RodgersAndHammerstein, those titans of American musical theatre, could hit a rough patch now and then. Their 1958 show ''FlowerDrumSong'', ''Literature/FlowerDrumSong'', for instance, was condemned as [[ModernMinstrelsy "an Oriental minstrel show."]]
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** ''Viva Elvis'' (2010) was a Las Vegas-based JukeboxMusical / circus hybrid based on the music of Elvis Presley. But while ''The Beatles LOVE'' proved this concept could work for Cirque, Presley's more down-to-Earth music and world wasn't as good a fit for them. It lasted two years; according to ''Variety'', it never sold more than 60% of its seats for any given performance.

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** ''Viva Elvis'' (2010) was a Las Vegas-based JukeboxMusical / circus hybrid based on the music of Elvis Presley. But while ''The Beatles LOVE'' proved this concept could work for Cirque, Presley's more down-to-Earth music and world wasn't as good a fit for them. It lasted two years; according According to ''Variety'', it never sold more than 60% of its seats for any given performance.performance, and thus closed in less than two years -- the first Vegas Cirque show to close outright.
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* CirqueDuSoleil has had a few missteps in tour itineraries and miscellaneous projects (such as entertainment for the Celebrity Cruises line) that went over poorly, but for the live shows that serve as the company's backbone, the company generally works hard to improve troubled productions and refine good ones, so even a rocky start can pay off later. But in doing more and more shows, trying to put new twists on their usual fare, and expanding into new markets that may or may not be welcoming, they hit a DorkAge in TheNewTens, resulting in a purge of shows and triple-digit company layoffs over 2012-13.

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* CirqueDuSoleil Creator/CirqueDuSoleil has had a few missteps in tour itineraries and miscellaneous projects (such as entertainment for the Celebrity Cruises line) that went over poorly, but for the live shows that serve as the company's backbone, the company generally works hard to improve troubled productions and refine good ones, so even a rocky start can pay off later. But in doing more and more shows, trying to put new twists on their usual fare, and expanding into new markets that may or may not be welcoming, they hit a DorkAge in TheNewTens, resulting in a purge of shows and triple-digit company layoffs over 2012-13. 2012-13 to set things to rights.

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** ''[=ZAIA=]'' (2008) was an attempt at a permanent show in China, specifically gambling mecca Macau. The show was panned by Cirque fans as old hat, gamblers weren't interested in seeing a show (unlike in Las Vegas, where Cirque has several popular shows), and it was competing with the country's many native circuses; it closed in 2012.
** ''[=ZED=]'' (2008), by comparison, was hailed by critics and fans when it opened at Tokyo Disneyland...but bad luck, namely the tourism slowdown following the Tohoku earthquake in 2011, also doomed it to closure in 2012.

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** ''[=ZAIA=]'' (2008) was an attempt at a permanent show in China, specifically gambling mecca Macau. The show was panned by Cirque fans as old hat, gamblers weren't interested in seeing a show (unlike in Las Vegas, where Cirque has several popular shows), and it was competing with the country's many native circuses; it closed in 2012. \n** ''[=ZED=]'' (2008), ''[=ZED=]'', by comparison, was hailed by critics and fans when it opened at Tokyo Disneyland...Disneyland less than two months later...but bad luck, namely the tourism slowdown following the Tohoku earthquake in 2011, also doomed it to closure in 2012.
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* CirqueDuSoleil has had a few missteps in tour itineraries and miscellaneous projects (such as entertainment for the Celebrity Cruises line) that went over poorly, but for the live shows that serve as the company's backbone, the company generally works hard to improve troubled productions and refine good ones, so even a rocky start can pay off later. But in doing more and more shows, trying to put new twists on their usual fare, and expanding into new markets, they hit a DorkAge in TheNewTens, resulting in a purge of shows and triple-digit company layoffs over 2012-13.

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* CirqueDuSoleil has had a few missteps in tour itineraries and miscellaneous projects (such as entertainment for the Celebrity Cruises line) that went over poorly, but for the live shows that serve as the company's backbone, the company generally works hard to improve troubled productions and refine good ones, so even a rocky start can pay off later. But in doing more and more shows, trying to put new twists on their usual fare, and expanding into new markets, markets that may or may not be welcoming, they hit a DorkAge in TheNewTens, resulting in a purge of shows and triple-digit company layoffs over 2012-13.
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* CirqueDuSoleil has had a few missteps in tour itineraries and miscellaneous projects (such as entertainment for the Celebrity Cruises line) that went over poorly, but for the live shows that serve as the company's backbone, the company generally works hard to improve troubled productions and refine good ones, so even a rocky start can pay off later. But in doing more and more shows, trying to put new twists on their usual fare, and expanding into new markets, they hit a DorkAge in TheNewTens, specifically over 2008-2012.
** ''[=ZAIA=]'' (2008) was an attempt at a permanent show in China, specifically gambling mecca Macau. The show was panned by Cirque fans as old hat, gamblers weren't interested in seeing a show (unlike in Las Vegas, where Cirque has several popular shows), and it was competing with the country's many native circuses. It closed in 2012.

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* CirqueDuSoleil has had a few missteps in tour itineraries and miscellaneous projects (such as entertainment for the Celebrity Cruises line) that went over poorly, but for the live shows that serve as the company's backbone, the company generally works hard to improve troubled productions and refine good ones, so even a rocky start can pay off later. But in doing more and more shows, trying to put new twists on their usual fare, and expanding into new markets, they hit a DorkAge in TheNewTens, specifically resulting in a purge of shows and triple-digit company layoffs over 2008-2012.
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** ''[=ZAIA=]'' (2008) was an attempt at a permanent show in China, specifically gambling mecca Macau. The show was panned by Cirque fans as old hat, gamblers weren't interested in seeing a show (unlike in Las Vegas, where Cirque has several popular shows), and it was competing with the country's many native circuses. It circuses; it closed in 2012.

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* CirqueDuSoleil has had a few missteps in tour itineraries and miscellaneous projects (such as entertainment for the Celebrity Cruises line) that went over poorly, but for the live shows that serve as the company's backbone, the company generally works hard to improve troubled productions and refine good ones, so even a rocky start can pay off later. But in doing more and more shows and trying to put new twists on their usual fare, they've hit a few Dork Ages in TheNewTens.
** ''Criss Angel Believe'' is a magic show collaboration with the illusionist. With high expectations as their ''sixth'' resident show in [[VivaLasVegas Las Vegas]] (facing locals fatigued with their omnipresence), their first magic show, ''and'' their first show built around a specific performer, it opened to almost universally negative critical reviews and even nastier audience response in 2008. It's still running and professional reviews have improved, but that was due mostly to the bulk of Cirque-typical elements being dropped in a {{Retool}}.
** ''Banana Shpeel'' was a {{vaudeville}}-inspired variation on the company's house style (with much more time given to comedy acts than the norm) and their first show for "legit" theaters, doing a tryout run in [[TheWindyCity Chicago]] before hitting NewYorkCity in the spring of 2010. Heavy {{retool}}ing in the wake of poor reviews for the tryout delayed the NYC opening by three months... which meant that it opened '''after''' their traditional tent tour ''[=OVO=]'' arrived in the city for a two-month run, instead of before. While reviews were better in New York, they weren't as good as ''[=OVO=]'''s, and ''Banana Shpeel'' wound up closing two months sooner than planned. A ''New York Times'' article detailing what went wrong is [[http://www.nytimes.com/2010/06/26/theater/26shpeel.html here]]. A North American tour was planned even after the closure in New York, but scuppered after its opening engagement in Toronto flopped -- making it the first Cirque show in years to actually close outright due to a lack of interest. (In late 2011-early 2012, there was a small purge of Cirque shows, with Macau's ''ZAIA'', Tokyo's ''ZED'', and Las Vegas' ''VivaElvis'' all closing after each ran less than four years, but they're not dork ages since they weren't trying anything new; in fact, ''ZED'' only closed because tourism in Japan was crippled by the 2011 earthquake/tsunami.)
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* CirqueDuSoleil has had a few missteps in tour itineraries and miscellaneous projects (such as entertainment for the Celebrity Cruises line) that went over poorly, but for the live shows that serve as the company's backbone, the company generally works hard to improve troubled productions and refine good ones, so even a rocky start can pay off later. But in doing more and more shows and shows, trying to put new twists on their usual fare, they've and expanding into new markets, they hit a few Dork Ages DorkAge in TheNewTens.
TheNewTens, specifically over 2008-2012.
** ''[=ZAIA=]'' (2008) was an attempt at a permanent show in China, specifically gambling mecca Macau. The show was panned by Cirque fans as old hat, gamblers weren't interested in seeing a show (unlike in Las Vegas, where Cirque has several popular shows), and it was competing with the country's many native circuses. It closed in 2012.
** ''[=ZED=]'' (2008), by comparison, was hailed by critics and fans when it opened at Tokyo Disneyland...but bad luck, namely the tourism slowdown following the Tohoku earthquake in 2011, also doomed it to closure in 2012.
** ''Criss Angel Believe'' is (2008) was a magic show collaboration with the illusionist. With high expectations as their ''sixth'' resident show in [[VivaLasVegas Las Vegas]] (facing locals fatigued with their omnipresence), their first magic show, ''and'' their first show built around a specific performer, it opened to almost universally negative critical reviews and even nastier audience response in 2008.response. It's still running and professional reviews have improved, but that was due mostly to the bulk of Cirque-typical elements being dropped in a {{Retool}}.
** ''Banana Shpeel'' (2010) was a {{vaudeville}}-inspired variation on the company's house style (with much more time given to comedy acts than the norm) and their first show for "legit" theaters, doing a tryout run in [[TheWindyCity Chicago]] before hitting NewYorkCity in the spring of 2010. Heavy {{retool}}ing in the wake of poor reviews for the tryout delayed the NYC opening by three months... which meant that it opened '''after''' their traditional tent tour ''[=OVO=]'' arrived in the city for a two-month run, instead of before. While reviews were better in New York, they weren't as good as ''[=OVO=]'''s, and ''Banana Shpeel'' wound up closing two months sooner than planned. A ''New York Times'' article detailing what went wrong is [[http://www.nytimes.com/2010/06/26/theater/26shpeel.html here]]. A North American tour was planned even after the closure in New York, but scuppered after its opening engagement in Toronto flopped -- making it flopped.
** ''Viva Elvis'' (2010) was a Las Vegas-based JukeboxMusical / circus hybrid based on
the first Cirque music of Elvis Presley. But while ''The Beatles LOVE'' proved this concept could work for Cirque, Presley's more down-to-Earth music and world wasn't as good a fit for them. It lasted two years; according to ''Variety'', it never sold more than 60% of its seats for any given performance.
** ''[=IRIS=]'' (2011) attempted to establish a permanent
show in years to actually close outright due to a lack of interest. (In late 2011-early 2012, there was a small purge of Cirque shows, Los Angeles with Macau's ''ZAIA'', Tokyo's ''ZED'', its history-of-filmmaking theme. Reviews were good, but locals didn't bite and Las Vegas' ''VivaElvis'' all closing after each ran less than four years, but they're not dork ages since they weren't trying anything new; in fact, ''ZED'' only it couldn't attract out-of-towners. It closed because tourism in Japan was crippled by the 2011 earthquake/tsunami.)
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* CirqueDuSoleil has had a few missteps in tour itineraries and miscellaneous projects (such as entertainment for the Celebrity Cruises line) that went over poorly, but for the live shows that serve as the company's backbone, the company generally works hard to improve troubled productions and refine good ones, so even a rocky start can pay off later. But in doing more and more shows and trying to put new twists on their usual fare, they've hit a few Dork Ages in TheNewTens.
** ''Criss Angel Believe'' is a magic show collaboration with the illusionist. With high expectations as their ''sixth'' resident show in [[VivaLasVegas Las Vegas]] (facing locals fatigued with their omnipresence), their first magic show, ''and'' their first show built around a specific performer, it opened to almost universally negative critical reviews and even nastier audience response in 2008. It's still running and professional reviews have improved, but that was due mostly to the bulk of Cirque-typical elements being dropped in a {{Retool}}.
** ''Banana Shpeel'' was a {{vaudeville}}-inspired variation on the company's house style (with much more time given to comedy acts than the norm) and their first show for "legit" theaters, doing a tryout run in [[TheWindyCity Chicago]] before hitting NewYorkCity in the spring of 2010. Heavy {{retool}}ing in the wake of poor reviews for the tryout delayed the NYC opening by three months... which meant that it opened '''after''' their traditional tent tour ''[=OVO=]'' arrived in the city for a two-month run, instead of before. While reviews were better in New York, they weren't as good as ''[=OVO=]'''s, and ''Banana Shpeel'' wound up closing two months sooner than planned. A ''New York Times'' article detailing what went wrong is [[http://www.nytimes.com/2010/06/26/theater/26shpeel.html here]]. A North American tour was planned even after the closure in New York, but scuppered after its opening engagement in Toronto flopped -- making it the first Cirque show in years to actually close outright due to a lack of interest. (In late 2011-early 2012, there was a small purge of Cirque shows, with Macau's ''ZAIA'', Tokyo's ''ZED'', and Las Vegas' ''VivaElvis'' all closing after each ran less than four years, but they're not dork ages since they weren't trying anything new; in fact, ''ZED'' only closed because tourism in Japan was crippled by the 2011 earthquake/tsunami.)
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