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** Tropers/{{TheOtakuNinja}} What bothers me about the revised ending - and I can't seem to find a straight answer for some reason - is that the ending was either to deconstruct the notion of a happy ending and/or fanworks that depict happy endings, or it was meant to lead up into a follow series - something that hasn't shown up yet. This strikes me as needlessly mean-spirited and morally despicable, not to mention the fact that this change-up[spoiler: ends up removeing Madoka's character development.]] It ticks me off so much, even seeing [[spoiler:the Incubators getting their just desserts in the end]] can't get the bad taste out of my mouth.]]

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** Tropers/{{TheOtakuNinja}} What bothers me about the revised ending - and I can't seem to find a straight answer for some reason - is that the ending was either to deconstruct the notion of a happy ending and/or fanworks that depict happy endings, or it was meant to lead up into a follow series - something that hasn't shown up yet. This strikes me as needlessly mean-spirited and morally despicable, not to mention the fact that this change-up[spoiler: change-up [[spoiler: ends up removeing Madoka's character development.]] It ticks me off so much, even seeing [[spoiler:the Incubators getting their just desserts in the end]] can't get the bad taste out of my mouth.]]
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** Tropers/{{TheOtakuNinja}} What bothers me about the revised ending - and I can't seem to find a straight answer for some reason - is that the ending was either to deconstruct the notion of a happy ending and/or fanworks that depict happy endings, or it was meant to lead up into a follow series - something that hasn't shown up yet. This strikes me as needlessly mean spirited and morally despicable, and puts a major stain on an otherwise enjoyable series. It ticks me off so much, even seeing [[spoiler:the Incubators getting their just desserts in the end can't get the bad taste out of my mouth.]]

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** Tropers/{{TheOtakuNinja}} What bothers me about the revised ending - and I can't seem to find a straight answer for some reason - is that the ending was either to deconstruct the notion of a happy ending and/or fanworks that depict happy endings, or it was meant to lead up into a follow series - something that hasn't shown up yet. This strikes me as needlessly mean spirited mean-spirited and morally despicable, and puts a major stain on an otherwise enjoyable series. not to mention the fact that this change-up[spoiler: ends up removeing Madoka's character development.]] It ticks me off so much, even seeing [[spoiler:the Incubators getting their just desserts in the end end]] can't get the bad taste out of my mouth.]]
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** Tropers/{{TheOtakuNinja}} What bothers me about the revised ending - and I can't seem to find a straight answer for some reason - is that the ending was either to deconstruct the notion of a happy ending and/or fanworks that depict happy endings, or it was meant to lead up into a follow series - something that hasn't shown up yet. This strikes me as needlessly mean spirited and morally despicable, and puts a major stain on an otherwise enjoyable series. And seeing [[spoiler: the Incubators getting their just desserts in the end can't get the bad taste out of my mouth.]]

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** Tropers/{{TheOtakuNinja}} What bothers me about the revised ending - and I can't seem to find a straight answer for some reason - is that the ending was either to deconstruct the notion of a happy ending and/or fanworks that depict happy endings, or it was meant to lead up into a follow series - something that hasn't shown up yet. This strikes me as needlessly mean spirited and morally despicable, and puts a major stain on an otherwise enjoyable series. And It ticks me off so much, even seeing [[spoiler: the [[spoiler:the Incubators getting their just desserts in the end can't get the bad taste out of my mouth.]]
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** Tropers/{{TheOtakuNinja}} What bothers me about the revised ending - and I can't seem to find a straight answer for some reason - is that the ending was either to deconstruct the notion of a happy ending and/or fanworks that depict happy endings, or it was meant to lead up into a follow series - something that hasn't shown up yet. This strikes me as needlessly mean spirited and morally despicable, and puts a major stain on an otherwise enjoyable series. And seeing [[spoiler: the Incubators getting their just desserts in the end can't get the bad taste out of my mouth.]]
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''Anime/PuellaMagiMadokaMagica'' may be beloved for its uncompromising storytelling, [[EveryoneHasStandards but even the biggest fans have standards]]. [[DethroningMomentOfSuck The below moments]] have sent many a viewer into despair.

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''Anime/PuellaMagiMadokaMagica'' may be beloved for its uncompromising storytelling, [[EveryoneHasStandards but even the biggest fans have standards]]. [[DethroningMomentOfSuck [[DarthWiki/DethroningMomentOfSuck The below moments]] have sent many a viewer into despair.
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* Tropers/DiscoGlacier: While I would argue that [[CompilationMovie the movies]] overall improve on what was already [[SoCoolItsAwesome a masterpiece]], one change I didn't like was the replacement of "[[http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XN426dP4WGw Nux Walpurgis]]" with a second playing of "[[http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t4Fea8S1S_I Surgam Identum]]." As terrific as the latter is for [[spoiler:the final battle between Homura and Walpurgis Night]], the former fit [[spoiler:Homura's falling to despair]] much better, and replaying a musical number twice in any case is just bad form for this sort of thing.

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* Tropers/DiscoGlacier: While I would argue that [[CompilationMovie the movies]] overall improve on what was already [[SoCoolItsAwesome a masterpiece]], one change I didn't like was the replacement of "[[http://www."[[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XN426dP4WGw com/watch?v=LcoGD_pvKvM Nux Walpurgis]]" with a second playing of "[[http://www."[[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t4Fea8S1S_I com/watch?v=DTgYbT2cGm4 Surgam Identum]]." As terrific as the latter is for [[spoiler:the final battle between Homura and Walpurgis Night]], the former fit [[spoiler:Homura's falling to despair]] much better, and replaying a musical number twice in any case is just bad form for this sort of thing.

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** Tropers/{{chucknormie}}: While I was pissed off by Homura's selfish decision to [[spoiler:keep Madoka for herself]], what truly makes the end of this movie a DMOS was what she did afterwards. [[spoiler:Homucifer decides to MindRape [[FateWorseThanDeath Kyubey with all the sorrow that magical girls have felt over time]]]]. While this would be a fitting punishment for a CompleteMonster, [[spoiler:Kyubey is hardly that. He is trying to save the universe, after all]]. He should have gotten some kind of karma for his actions, but [[spoiler:he's not doing it ForTheEvulz; what Kyubey did did not warrant being ''forced to suffer for all eternity'']]. [[spoiler:So not only did Homura deliver a severe case of DisproportionateRetribution, but she also doomed the universe to an early heat death.]] [[SarcasmMode Way to go, Homuhomu.]]

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** Tropers/{{chucknormie}}: While I was pissed off by Homura's selfish decision to [[spoiler:keep Madoka for herself]], what truly makes the end of this movie a DMOS was what she did afterwards. [[spoiler:Homucifer decides to MindRape [[FateWorseThanDeath Kyubey with all the sorrow that magical girls have felt over time]]]]. While this would be a fitting punishment for a CompleteMonster, an unrepentant monster, [[spoiler:Kyubey is hardly that. He is trying to save the universe, after all]]. He should have gotten some kind of karma for his actions, but [[spoiler:he's not doing it ForTheEvulz; what Kyubey did did not warrant being ''forced to suffer for all eternity'']]. [[spoiler:So not only did Homura deliver a severe case of DisproportionateRetribution, but she also doomed the universe to an early heat death.]] [[SarcasmMode Way to go, Homuhomu.]]
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** Tropers/{{chucknormie}}: While I was pissed off by Homura's selfish decision to keep Madoka for herself, what truly makes the end of this movie a DMOS was what she did afterwards. Homucifer decides to MindRape [[FateWorseThanDeath Kyubey with all the sorrow that magical girls have felt over time]]. While this would be a fitting punishment for a CompleteMonster, Kyubey is hardly that. He is trying to save the universe, after all. He should have gotten some kind of karma for his actions, but he's not doing it ForTheEvulz; what Kyubey did did not warrant being ''forced to suffer for all eternity''. So not only did Homura deliver DisproportionateRetribution to a character that has a couple more dimensions than the fandom likes to think, but she also doomed the universe to an early heat death. [[SarcasmMode Way to go, Homuhomu.]]

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** Tropers/{{chucknormie}}: While I was pissed off by Homura's selfish decision to keep [[spoiler:keep Madoka for herself, herself]], what truly makes the end of this movie a DMOS was what she did afterwards. Homucifer [[spoiler:Homucifer decides to MindRape [[FateWorseThanDeath Kyubey with all the sorrow that magical girls have felt over time]]. time]]]]. While this would be a fitting punishment for a CompleteMonster, Kyubey [[spoiler:Kyubey is hardly that. He is trying to save the universe, after all. all]]. He should have gotten some kind of karma for his actions, but he's [[spoiler:he's not doing it ForTheEvulz; what Kyubey did did not warrant being ''forced to suffer for all eternity''. So eternity'']]. [[spoiler:So not only did Homura deliver DisproportionateRetribution to a character that has a couple more dimensions than the fandom likes to think, severe case of DisproportionateRetribution, but she also doomed the universe to an early heat death. death.]] [[SarcasmMode Way to go, Homuhomu.]]
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** Tropers/{{chucknormie}}: While I was pissed off by Homura's selfish decision to keep Madoka for herself, what truly makes the end of this movie a DMOS was what she did afterwards. Homucifer decides to MindRape [[FateWorseThanDeath Kyubey with all the sorrow that magical girls have felt over time]]. While this would be a fitting punishment for a CompleteMonster, Kyubey is hardly that. He is trying to save the universe, after all. He should have gotten some kind of karma for his actions, but he's not doing it ForTheEvulz; what Kyubey did did not warrant being ''forced to suffer for all eternity''. So not only did Homura deliver DisproportionateRetribution to a character that has a couple more dimensions than the fandom likes to think, but she also doomed the universe to an early heat death. [[SarcasmMode Way to go, Homuhomu.]]
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**Tropers/{{MechaMew2}}: As much as the swerve can be disappointing to many, consider the fact that Homura turned only as a result of [[spoiler:the Incubator's incessant meddling to take control of Madoka's powers]]. If I remember correctly, they [[spoiler:were the ones who essentially kidnapped Homura and induced her Soul Gem to despair, but the resulting conflict involving the other girls corrupted the Gem into a flux state between Magical Girl and Witch, and was a symbolic representation of Homura's corrupted mental state]]. Had the Incubators just left things the way they were, Homura would not have done what she did.
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* Tropers/SloMotion: I love this series to death, I really do. I loved the idea of movie continuation, that is...until I saw the movie. I liked the first half, but then oh boy did things take an awful turn. And that horrid turn was Homura's [[spoiler:FaceHeelTurn into Akuma Homura and just the way she acted like a creepy PsychoLesbian StalkerWithACrush willing to selfishly rewrite the world for her own demented sake]] just killed it for me. Homura is my favorite PMMM character and in my opinion this movie just took a [[CharacterDerailment huge dump on her whole portrayal]]. The whole point of Homura is that she seemed cold and bitchy at first, but then it was so beautifully revealed in the series that she's NotSoStoic and truly has a good heart and sacrificed her own happiness and sanity to attempt to save her best friend. But here, [[spoiler:she's just obsessed in a really creepy ass way]]. I know [[spoiler:LoveMakesYouEvil]] and whatnot, but this just felt like a pointless attempt and being 'dark' (which, of course this series always was but this was just ridiculous) but fell flat on its face instead. Total bullshit. As far as I'm concerned, there is no Rebellion movie. The series ended after episode 12/the second movie.

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* Tropers/SloMotion: I love this series to death, I really do. I loved the idea of movie continuation, that is... until I saw the movie. I liked the first half, but then oh boy did things take an awful turn. And that horrid turn was Homura's [[spoiler:FaceHeelTurn into Akuma Homura and just the way she acted like a creepy PsychoLesbian StalkerWithACrush willing to selfishly rewrite the world for her own demented sake]] just killed it for me. Homura is my favorite PMMM character and in my opinion this movie just took a [[CharacterDerailment huge dump on her whole portrayal]]. The whole point of Homura is that she seemed cold and bitchy at first, but then it was so beautifully revealed in the series that she's NotSoStoic and truly has a good heart and sacrificed her own happiness and sanity to attempt to save her best friend. But here, [[spoiler:she's just obsessed in a really creepy ass way]]. I know [[spoiler:LoveMakesYouEvil]] and whatnot, but this just felt like a pointless attempt and at being 'dark' (which, of course this series always was but this was just ridiculous) but fell flat on its face instead. Total bullshit. As far as I'm concerned, there is no Rebellion movie. The series ended after episode 12/the second movie.
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* KashimaKitty: Episode 3 "I'm Not Afraid of Anything Anymore". The major WhamMoment of the episode, you know the one. [[spoiler:Mami getting decapitated and devoured.]] After the series spent the last two and a half episodes pretending to be LighterAndSofter than it really is, this moment arrives for the sake of pure shock value. Not only was three episodes too soon to care about this character, but up until this point, said character came off as [[PoorCommunicationKills ignorant]] and HolierThanThou. The recap/movies make it even worse, as what little character development this character had is completely removed, [[spoiler:making her seem even more expendable.]]

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* KashimaKitty: Episode 3 "I'm Not Afraid of Anything Anymore". The major WhamMoment Wham Moment of the episode, you know the one. [[spoiler:Mami getting decapitated and devoured.]] After the series spent the last two and a half episodes pretending to be LighterAndSofter than it really is, this moment arrives for the sake of pure shock value. Not only was three episodes too soon to care about this character, but up until this point, said character came off as [[PoorCommunicationKills ignorant]] and HolierThanThou. The recap/movies make it even worse, as what little character development this character had is completely removed, [[spoiler:making her seem even more expendable.]]
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** Tropers/{{KashimaKitty}}: Concurring with the above, but also I found the twist at the ending to be poorly done not so much from a character standpoint, but from a writing standpoint. [[spoiler: Having Homura reach a result of such magnitude based on a complete misunderstanding is terrible writing. The scene would not have happened if (at least Madoka) had her proper memories. "I want Madoka to be happy." Doesn't work if Madoka was already happy with her decision to begin with.]]
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** Tropers/{{MagnetMissile}}: There were so many things wrong with Rebellion's second half, in my opinion. First off, the ShockingSwerve that is [[spoiler:Homura Akemi's FaceHeelTurn]]. It's a shame, I liked Homura in the main series as well. After what the movie did, turning Homura [[spoiler:into a psychotic devil, both metaphorically and literally]], I had no choice but to retract my opinion on her and the movie in general. I dearly apologize to fans of Rebellion, but the altered ending left a very bad taste that will likely never go away.

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** Tropers/{{MagnetMissile}}: There In my opinion, there were so many things wrong with Rebellion's second half, in my opinion.revised ending. First off, the ShockingSwerve that is [[spoiler:Homura Akemi's FaceHeelTurn]]. It's a shame, I liked Homura in the main series as well. After what the movie did, turning Homura [[spoiler:into a psychotic devil, both metaphorically and literally]], I had no choice but to retract my opinion on her and the movie in general. I dearly apologize to fans of Rebellion, but the altered ending left a very bad taste that will likely never go away.
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** Tropers/{{MagnetMissile}}: There were so many things wrong with Rebellion's second half, in my opinion. First off, the ShockingSwerve that is [[spoiler:Homura Akemi's FaceHeelTurn]]. It's a shame, I liked Homura in the main series as well. After what the movie did, turning Homura [[spoiler:into a psychotic devil, both metaphorically and literally]], I had no choice but to retract my opinion on her and the movie in general. I dearly apologize to fans of Rebellion, but the altered ending left a very bad taste that will likely never go away.
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* Moments only, no "[[TheScrappy just everything he said]], " "[[Administrivia/ComplainingAboutShowsYouDontLike The entire show]], " or "[[SeasonalRot This entire season]], " entries.

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** Tropers/{{Silvermoon424}}: Seconded. I was extremely disappointed by the ending of the Rebellion movie. To make matters even worse, apparently the original ending consisted of [[spoiler:Madokami taking Homura with her to heaven so they could finally be together forever.]] That's an actually satisfying ending that does justice to both the series and the characters. Unfortunately, ExecutiveMeddling kicked in when the writer was told to scrap the original ending and replace it with an AssPull that would allow the series to be continued. So instead of a beautiful, if somewhat bittersweet, ending where [[spoiler:Homura and Madokami get to stay together and Madokami can continue her duty of being a magical girl savior,]] we get one where [[spoiler:Homura turns into a PsychoLesbian and locks Madoka away in a GildedCage.]] [[SarcasmMode What a great ending to the series!]]

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** Tropers/{{Silvermoon424}}: Seconded. I was extremely disappointed by the ending of the Rebellion movie. To make matters even worse, apparently the original ending consisted of [[spoiler:Madokami [[spoiler:Ultimate Madoka taking Homura with her to heaven so they could finally be together forever.]] That's an actually satisfying ending that does justice to both the series and the characters. Unfortunately, ExecutiveMeddling kicked in when the writer was told to scrap the original ending and replace it with an AssPull that would allow the series to be continued. So instead of a beautiful, if somewhat bittersweet, ending where [[spoiler:Homura and Madokami Ultimate Madoka get to stay together and Madokami Ultimate Madoka can continue her duty of being a magical girl savior,]] savior]], we get one where [[spoiler:Homura turns into a PsychoLesbian and locks Madoka away in a GildedCage.]] [[SarcasmMode What a great ending to the series!]]
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* Tropers/SloMotion: I love this series to death, I really do. I loved the idea of movie continuation, that is...until I saw the movie. I liked the first half, but then oh boy did things take an awful turn. And that horrid turn was Homura's [[spoiler:FaceHeelTurn into Devil!Homura and just the way she acted like a creepy PsychoLesbian StalkerWithACrush willing to selfishly rewrite the world for her own demented sake]] just killed it for me. Homura is my favorite PMMM character and in my opinion this movie just took a [[CharacterDerailment huge dump on her whole portrayal]]. The whole point of Homura is that she seemed cold and bitchy at first, but then it was so beautifully revealed in the series that she's NotSoStoic and truly has a good heart and sacrificed her own happiness and sanity to attempt to save her best friend. But here, [[spoiler:she's just obsessed in a really creepy ass way]]. I know [[spoiler:LoveMakesYouEvil]] and whatnot, but this just felt like a pointless attempt and being 'dark' (which, of course this series always was but this was just ridiculous) but fell flat on its face instead. Total bullshit. As far as I'm concerned, there is no Rebellion movie. The series ended after episode 12/the second movie.

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* Tropers/SloMotion: I love this series to death, I really do. I loved the idea of movie continuation, that is...until I saw the movie. I liked the first half, but then oh boy did things take an awful turn. And that horrid turn was Homura's [[spoiler:FaceHeelTurn into Devil!Homura Akuma Homura and just the way she acted like a creepy PsychoLesbian StalkerWithACrush willing to selfishly rewrite the world for her own demented sake]] just killed it for me. Homura is my favorite PMMM character and in my opinion this movie just took a [[CharacterDerailment huge dump on her whole portrayal]]. The whole point of Homura is that she seemed cold and bitchy at first, but then it was so beautifully revealed in the series that she's NotSoStoic and truly has a good heart and sacrificed her own happiness and sanity to attempt to save her best friend. But here, [[spoiler:she's just obsessed in a really creepy ass way]]. I know [[spoiler:LoveMakesYouEvil]] and whatnot, but this just felt like a pointless attempt and being 'dark' (which, of course this series always was but this was just ridiculous) but fell flat on its face instead. Total bullshit. As far as I'm concerned, there is no Rebellion movie. The series ended after episode 12/the second movie.
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''Anime/PuellaMagiMadokaMagica'' may be beloved for its uncompromising storytelling, [[EveryoneHasStandards but even the biggest fans have standards]]. [[DethroningMomentOfSuck The below moments]] have sent many a fan into despair.

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* Tropers/DiscoGlacier: While I would argue that [[CompilationMovie the movies]] overall improve on what was already [[SoCoolItsAwesome a masterpiece]], one change I didn't like was the replacement of "[[http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XN426dP4WGw Nux Walpurgis]]" with a second playing of "[[http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t4Fea8S1S_I Surgam Identum]]." As terrific as the latter is for [[spoiler:the final battle between Homura and Walpurgis Night]], the former fit [[spoiler:Homura's falling to despair]] much better, and replaying a musical number twice in any case is just bad form for this sort of thing.



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* Tropers/DiscoGlacier: While I would argue that [[CompilationMovie the movies]] overall improve on what was already [[SoCoolItsAwesome a masterpiece]], one change I didn't like was the replacement of "[[http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XN426dP4WGw Nux Walpurgis]]" with a second playing of "[[http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t4Fea8S1S_I Surgam Identum]]." As terrific as the latter is for [[spoiler:the final battle between Homura and Walpurgis Night]], the former fit [[spoiler:Homura's falling to despair]] much better, and replaying a musical number twice in any case is just bad form for this sort of thing.



** Tropers/{{Silvermoon424}}: Seconded. I was extremely disappointed by the ending of the Rebellion movie. To make matters even worse, apparently the original ending consisted of [[spoiler:Madokami taking Homura with her to heaven so they could finally be together forever.]] That's an actually satisfying ending that does justice to both the series and the characters. Unfortunately, ExecutiveMeddling kicked in when the writer was told to scrap the original ending and replace it with an AssPull that would allow the series to be continued. So instead of a beautiful, if somewhat bittersweet, ending where [[spoiler:Homura and Madokami get to stay together and Madokami can continue her duty of being a magical girl savior,]] we get one where [[spoiler:Homura turns into a PsychoLesbian and locks Madoka away in a GildedCage.]] [[SarcasmMode What a great ending to the series!]]

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** Tropers/{{Silvermoon424}}: Seconded. I was extremely disappointed by the ending of the Rebellion movie. To make matters even worse, apparently the original ending consisted of [[spoiler:Madokami taking Homura with her to heaven so they could finally be together forever.]] That's an actually satisfying ending that does justice to both the series and the characters. Unfortunately, ExecutiveMeddling kicked in when the writer was told to scrap the original ending and replace it with an AssPull that would allow the series to be continued. So instead of a beautiful, if somewhat bittersweet, ending where [[spoiler:Homura and Madokami get to stay together and Madokami can continue her duty of being a magical girl savior,]] we get one where [[spoiler:Homura turns into a PsychoLesbian and locks Madoka away in a GildedCage.]] [[SarcasmMode What a great ending to the series!]]series!]]
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two explicte plot points you forgot: 1) Kyubey\'s MO is to go after desperate girls who want immediate wishes and withhold as much information as possible and 2) Madoka had several timelines worth of karma riding on her so she was the only one who could make a wish that big.


** Tropers/{{Silvermoon424}}: Seconded. I was extremely disappointed by the ending of the Rebellion movie. To make matters even worse, apparently the original ending consisted of [[spoiler:Madokami taking Homura with her to heaven so they could finally be together forever.]] That's an actually satisfying ending that does justice to both the series and the characters. Unfortunately, ExecutiveMeddling kicked in when the writer was told to scrap the original ending and replace it with an AssPull that would allow the series to be continued. So instead of a beautiful, if somewhat bittersweet, ending where [[spoiler:Homura and Madokami get to stay together and Madokami can continue her duty of being a magical girl savior,]] we get one where [[spoiler:Homura turns into a PsychoLesbian and locks Madoka away in a GildedCage.]] [[SarcasmMode What a great ending to the series!]]
** Tropers/{{Hotman X 32}}: As great as this series may be even though I haven't watched it yet, I really have to point out how stupid the plot was on the last episode. Madoka wishes for every witch to be eliminated in the past, present, and future. Why didn't she thought of this from the first episode? [[WeCouldHaveAvoidedAllThis She and the other Puella Magi could've avoided the transformation of witches had Madoka wished it sooner]].

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** Tropers/{{Silvermoon424}}: Seconded. I was extremely disappointed by the ending of the Rebellion movie. To make matters even worse, apparently the original ending consisted of [[spoiler:Madokami taking Homura with her to heaven so they could finally be together forever.]] That's an actually satisfying ending that does justice to both the series and the characters. Unfortunately, ExecutiveMeddling kicked in when the writer was told to scrap the original ending and replace it with an AssPull that would allow the series to be continued. So instead of a beautiful, if somewhat bittersweet, ending where [[spoiler:Homura and Madokami get to stay together and Madokami can continue her duty of being a magical girl savior,]] we get one where [[spoiler:Homura turns into a PsychoLesbian and locks Madoka away in a GildedCage.]] [[SarcasmMode What a great ending to the series!]]
** Tropers/{{Hotman X 32}}: As great as this series may be even though I haven't watched it yet, I really have to point out how stupid the plot was on the last episode. Madoka wishes for every witch to be eliminated in the past, present, and future. Why didn't she thought of this from the first episode? [[WeCouldHaveAvoidedAllThis She and the other Puella Magi could've avoided the transformation of witches had Madoka wished it sooner]].
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** Tropers/{{Hotman X 32}}: As great as this series may be even though I haven't watched it yet, I really have to point out how stupid the plot was on the last episode. Madoka wishes for every witch to be eliminated in the past, present, and future. Why didn't she thought of this from the first episode? [[WeCouldHaveAvoidedThisPlot She and the other Puella Magi could've avoided the transformation of witches had Madoka wished it sooner]].

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** Tropers/{{Hotman X 32}}: As great as this series may be even though I haven't watched it yet, I really have to point out how stupid the plot was on the last episode. Madoka wishes for every witch to be eliminated in the past, present, and future. Why didn't she thought of this from the first episode? [[WeCouldHaveAvoidedThisPlot [[WeCouldHaveAvoidedAllThis She and the other Puella Magi could've avoided the transformation of witches had Madoka wished it sooner]].
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** Tropers/{{Hotman X 32}}: As great as this series may be even though I haven't watched it yet, I really have to point out how stupid the plot was on the last episode. Madoka wishes for every witch to be eliminated in the past, present, and future. Why didn't she thought of this from the first episode?

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** Tropers/{{Hotman X 32}}: As great as this series may be even though I haven't watched it yet, I really have to point out how stupid the plot was on the last episode. Madoka wishes for every witch to be eliminated in the past, present, and future. Why didn't she thought of this from the first episode?episode? [[WeCouldHaveAvoidedThisPlot She and the other Puella Magi could've avoided the transformation of witches had Madoka wished it sooner]].
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** Tropers/{{Silvermoon424}}: Seconded. I was extremely disappointed by the ending of the Rebellion movie. To make matters even worse, apparently the original ending consisted of [[spoiler:Madokami taking Homura with her to heaven so they could finally be together forever.]] That's an actually satisfying ending that does justice to both the series and the characters. Unfortunately, ExecutiveMeddling kicked in when the writer was told to scrap the original ending and replace it with an AssPull that would allow the series to be continued. So instead of a beautiful, if somewhat bittersweet, ending where [[spoiler:Homura and Madokami get to stay together and Madokami can continue her duty of being a magical girl savior,]] we get one where [[spoiler:Homura turns into a PsychoLesbian and locks Madoka away in a GildedCage.]] [[SarcasmMode What a great ending to the series!]]

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** Tropers/{{Silvermoon424}}: Seconded. I was extremely disappointed by the ending of the Rebellion movie. To make matters even worse, apparently the original ending consisted of [[spoiler:Madokami taking Homura with her to heaven so they could finally be together forever.]] That's an actually satisfying ending that does justice to both the series and the characters. Unfortunately, ExecutiveMeddling kicked in when the writer was told to scrap the original ending and replace it with an AssPull that would allow the series to be continued. So instead of a beautiful, if somewhat bittersweet, ending where [[spoiler:Homura and Madokami get to stay together and Madokami can continue her duty of being a magical girl savior,]] we get one where [[spoiler:Homura turns into a PsychoLesbian and locks Madoka away in a GildedCage.]] [[SarcasmMode What a great ending to the series!]]series!]]
** Tropers/{{Hotman X 32}}: As great as this series may be even though I haven't watched it yet, I really have to point out how stupid the plot was on the last episode. Madoka wishes for every witch to be eliminated in the past, present, and future. Why didn't she thought of this from the first episode?
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* KashimaKitty: ''Anime/PuellaMagiMadokaMagica'' Episode 3 "I'm Not Afraid of Anything Anymore". The major WhamMoment of the episode, you know the one. [[spoiler:Mami getting decapitated and devoured.]] After the series spent the last two and a half episodes pretending to be LighterAndSofter than it really is, this moment arrives for the sake of pure shock value. Not only was three episodes too soon to care about this character, but up until this point, said character came off as [[PoorCommunicationKills ignorant]] and HolierThanThou. The recap/movies make it even worse, as what little character development this character had is completely removed, [[spoiler:making her seem even more expendable.]]

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* KashimaKitty: ''Anime/PuellaMagiMadokaMagica'' Episode 3 "I'm Not Afraid of Anything Anymore". The major WhamMoment of the episode, you know the one. [[spoiler:Mami getting decapitated and devoured.]] After the series spent the last two and a half episodes pretending to be LighterAndSofter than it really is, this moment arrives for the sake of pure shock value. Not only was three episodes too soon to care about this character, but up until this point, said character came off as [[PoorCommunicationKills ignorant]] and HolierThanThou. The recap/movies make it even worse, as what little character development this character had is completely removed, [[spoiler:making her seem even more expendable.]]
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* KashimaKitty: ''Anime/PuellaMagiMadokaMagica'' Episode 3 "I'm Not Afraid of Anything Anymore". The major WhamMoment of the episode, you know the one. [[spoiler:Mami getting decapitated and devoured.]] After the series spent the last two and a half episodes pretending to be LighterAndSofter than it really is, this moment arrives for the sake of pure shock value. Not only was three episodes too soon to care about this character, but up until this point, said character came off as [[PoorCommunicationKills ignorant]] and HolierThanThou. The recap/movies make it even worse, as what little character development this character had is completely removed, [[spoiler:making her seem even more expendable.]]
* ShotgunNinja: I agree that this show felt stupid and pointlessly dark, but the one thing I really liked in it was Kyouko. That's why the ending of episode 9 "I'd Never Allow That To Happen" annoyed me so much. So she starts the show as somewhat psychopathic, but one single WhamEpisode - which she really has no excuse for being blind-sighted by, considering everything she already knows - causes a complete change in her personality, to the point where she seems completely focused around Sayaka. This all culminates in her suddenly deciding to [[spoiler:kill herself to beat Witch!Sayaka]], rather than, oh I don't know, asking Homura for help! Why is she suddenly worth [[spoiler:dying for]] when you can't have known her for more than two weeks? This was where the show officially lost that last shred of interest I had in it, because if that is what passes for good writing in this series...
* Tropers/DiscoGlacier: While I would argue that [[CompilationMovie the movies]] overall improve on what was already [[SoCoolItsAwesome a masterpiece]], one change I didn't like was the replacement of "[[http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XN426dP4WGw Nux Walpurgis]]" with a second playing of "[[http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t4Fea8S1S_I Surgam Identum]]." As terrific as the latter is for [[spoiler:the final battle between Homura and Walpurgis Night]], the former fit [[spoiler:Homura's falling to despair]] much better, and replaying a musical number twice in any case is just bad form for this sort of thing.
* Tropers/{{melonpan09}}: I agree with the first two tropers, but my moment came when Sayaka [[spoiler:suddenly starts wailing about being unable to embrace people after she's found out the true purpose of her Soul Gem.]] I was already watching the series with slight dubiousness, and the sheer melodramatics of that scene actually lowered my opinion of it as a whole. While the cause is painfully obvious, Sayaka had far too little character development to even hint at something of that magnitude being on its way; it's supposed to look like a plain old [[spoiler:nervous breakdown]], I'm sure, but instead it looks like a completely uncalled-for [[spoiler:temper tantrum.]] What's even sadder for me is that it could have had real power and impact, if only it had been written differently.
* Tropers/SloMotion: I love this series to death, I really do. I loved the idea of movie continuation, that is...until I saw the movie. I liked the first half, but then oh boy did things take an awful turn. And that horrid turn was Homura's [[spoiler:FaceHeelTurn into Devil!Homura and just the way she acted like a creepy PsychoLesbian StalkerWithACrush willing to selfishly rewrite the world for her own demented sake]] just killed it for me. Homura is my favorite PMMM character and in my opinion this movie just took a [[CharacterDerailment huge dump on her whole portrayal]]. The whole point of Homura is that she seemed cold and bitchy at first, but then it was so beautifully revealed in the series that she's NotSoStoic and truly has a good heart and sacrificed her own happiness and sanity to attempt to save her best friend. But here, [[spoiler:she's just obsessed in a really creepy ass way]]. I know [[spoiler:LoveMakesYouEvil]] and whatnot, but this just felt like a pointless attempt and being 'dark' (which, of course this series always was but this was just ridiculous) but fell flat on its face instead. Total bullshit. As far as I'm concerned, there is no Rebellion movie. The series ended after episode 12/the second movie.
** Tropers/{{Silvermoon424}}: Seconded. I was extremely disappointed by the ending of the Rebellion movie. To make matters even worse, apparently the original ending consisted of [[spoiler:Madokami taking Homura with her to heaven so they could finally be together forever.]] That's an actually satisfying ending that does justice to both the series and the characters. Unfortunately, ExecutiveMeddling kicked in when the writer was told to scrap the original ending and replace it with an AssPull that would allow the series to be continued. So instead of a beautiful, if somewhat bittersweet, ending where [[spoiler:Homura and Madokami get to stay together and Madokami can continue her duty of being a magical girl savior,]] we get one where [[spoiler:Homura turns into a PsychoLesbian and locks Madoka away in a GildedCage.]] [[SarcasmMode What a great ending to the series!]]
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