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** Tropers/{{Kirby0189}}: I'm probably beating a dead horse by talking a bit more about the ending considering all of the entries already here for it, but I just really can't get over how [[EndingAversion they ruined an otherwise enjoyable movie by sticking in this crap]] and making me feel the need to [[FanonDiscontinuity pretend it never happened when I rarely feel that way.]] Even without considering how it completely defiles Homura's character, I legitimately do not see the build-up to the outcome. [[AssPull It just feels out of nowhere.]] Ok, they were interested in making a continuation. That's fine, but even without resorting to AlternateUniverse series, there are better ways to leave a series open for new stories than abruptly pulling stuff from seemingly nowhere and going against the pre-established character of one of the main heroines. [[LeftHanging Still waiting for that continuation by the way]]! Not worth it!

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** Tropers/{{Kirby0189}}: I'm probably beating a dead horse by talking a bit more about the ending considering all of the entries already here for it, but I just really can't get over how [[EndingAversion they ruined an otherwise enjoyable movie by sticking in this crap]] crap and making me feel the need to [[FanonDiscontinuity pretend it never happened when I rarely feel that way.]] Even without considering how it completely defiles Homura's character, I legitimately do not see the build-up to the outcome. [[AssPull It just feels out of nowhere.]] Ok, they were interested in making a continuation. That's fine, but even without resorting to AlternateUniverse series, there are better ways to leave a series open for new stories than abruptly pulling stuff from seemingly nowhere and going against the pre-established character of one of the main heroines. [[LeftHanging Still waiting for that continuation by the way]]! Not worth it!
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* Tropers/SloMotion: I love this series to death, I really do. I loved the idea of movie continuation, that is... until I saw the movie. I liked the first half, but then oh boy did things take an awful turn. And that horrid turn was Homura's [[spoiler:FaceHeelTurn into Akuma Homura and just the way she acted like a creepy PsychoLesbian StalkerWithACrush willing to selfishly rewrite the world for her own demented sake]], which just killed it for me. Homura is my favorite PMMM character, and in my opinion, this movie just took a huge dump on her whole portrayal. The whole point of Homura is that she seemed cold and bitchy at first, but then it was so beautifully revealed in the series that she's NotSoStoic and truly has a good heart and sacrificed her own happiness and sanity to attempt to save her best friend. But here, [[spoiler:she's just obsessed in a really creepy ass way]]. I know [[spoiler:LoveMakesYouEvil]] and whatnot, but this just felt like a pointless attempt at being 'dark' (and of course this series always was but this was just ridiculous) which [[DarknessInducedAudienceApathy fell flat on its face instead]]. Total bullshit. As far as I'm concerned, [[FanonDiscontinuity there is no Rebellion movie. The series ended after episode 12/the second movie]].

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* Tropers/SloMotion: I love this series to death, I really do. I loved the idea of movie continuation, that is... until I saw the movie. I liked the first half, but then oh boy did things take an awful turn. And that horrid turn was Homura's [[spoiler:FaceHeelTurn into Akuma Homura and just the way she acted like a creepy PsychoLesbian StalkerWithACrush willing to selfishly rewrite the world for her own demented sake]], which just killed it for me. Homura is my favorite PMMM character, and in my opinion, this movie just took a huge dump on her whole portrayal. The whole point of Homura is that she seemed cold and bitchy at first, but then it was so beautifully revealed in the series that she's NotSoStoic and truly has a good heart and sacrificed her own happiness and sanity to attempt to save her best friend. But here, [[spoiler:she's just obsessed in a really creepy ass way]]. I know [[spoiler:LoveMakesYouEvil]] and whatnot, but this just felt like a pointless attempt at being 'dark' (and of course this series always was but this was just ridiculous) which [[DarknessInducedAudienceApathy [[TooBleakStoppedCaring fell flat on its face instead]]. Total bullshit. As far as I'm concerned, [[FanonDiscontinuity there is no Rebellion movie. The series ended after episode 12/the second movie]].

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* Tropers/SloMotion: I love this series to death, I really do. I loved the idea of movie continuation, that is... until I saw the movie. I liked the first half, but then oh boy did things take an awful turn. And that horrid turn was Homura's [[spoiler:FaceHeelTurn into Akuma Homura and just the way she acted like a creepy PsychoLesbian StalkerWithACrush willing to selfishly rewrite the world for her own demented sake]] just killed it for me. Homura is my favorite PMMM character and in my opinion this movie just took a huge dump on her whole portrayal. The whole point of Homura is that she seemed cold and bitchy at first, but then it was so beautifully revealed in the series that she's NotSoStoic and truly has a good heart and sacrificed her own happiness and sanity to attempt to save her best friend. But here, [[spoiler:she's just obsessed in a really creepy ass way]]. I know [[spoiler:LoveMakesYouEvil]] and whatnot, but this just felt like a pointless attempt at being 'dark' (which, of course this series always was but this was just ridiculous) but fell flat on its face instead. Total bullshit. As far as I'm concerned, there is no Rebellion movie. The series ended after episode 12/the second movie.
** Tropers/{{Silvermoon424}}: Seconded. I was extremely disappointed by the ending of the Rebellion movie. To make matters even worse, apparently the original ending consisted of [[spoiler:Ultimate Madoka taking Homura with her to heaven so they could finally be together forever.]] That's an actually satisfying ending that does justice to both the series and the characters. Unfortunately, ExecutiveMeddling kicked in when the writer was told to scrap the original ending and replace it with an AssPull that would allow the series to be continued. So instead of a beautiful, if somewhat bittersweet, ending where [[spoiler:Homura and Ultimate Madoka get to stay together and Ultimate Madoka can continue her duty of being a magical girl savior]], we get one where [[spoiler:Homura turns into a PsychoLesbian and locks Madoka away in a GildedCage.]] [[SarcasmMode What a great ending to the series!]]
** Tropers/{{KashimaKitty}}: Concurring with the above, but also I found the twist at the ending to be poorly done not so much from a character standpoint, but from a writing standpoint. [[spoiler: Having Homura reach a result of such magnitude based on a complete misunderstanding is terrible writing. The scene would not have happened if (at least Madoka) had her proper memories. "I want Madoka to be happy." Doesn't work if Madoka was already happy with her decision to begin with.]]
** Tropers/{{chucknormie}}: While I was pissed off by Homura's selfish decision to [[spoiler:keep Madoka for herself]], what truly makes the end of this movie a DMOS was what she did afterwards. [[spoiler:Homucifer decides to MindRape [[FateWorseThanDeath Kyubey with all the sorrow that magical girls have felt over time]]]]. While this would be a fitting punishment for an unrepentant monster, [[spoiler:Kyubey is hardly that. He is trying to save the universe, after all]]. He should have gotten some kind of karma for his actions, but [[spoiler:he's not doing it ForTheEvulz; what Kyubey did did not warrant being ''forced to suffer for all eternity'']]. [[spoiler:So not only did Homura deliver a severe case of DisproportionateRetribution, but she also doomed the universe to an early heat death.]] [[SarcasmMode Way to go, Homuhomu.]]

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* Tropers/SloMotion: I love this series to death, I really do. I loved the idea of movie continuation, that is... until I saw the movie. I liked the first half, but then oh boy did things take an awful turn. And that horrid turn was Homura's [[spoiler:FaceHeelTurn into Akuma Homura and just the way she acted like a creepy PsychoLesbian StalkerWithACrush willing to selfishly rewrite the world for her own demented sake]] sake]], which just killed it for me. Homura is my favorite PMMM character character, and in my opinion opinion, this movie just took a huge dump on her whole portrayal. The whole point of Homura is that she seemed cold and bitchy at first, but then it was so beautifully revealed in the series that she's NotSoStoic and truly has a good heart and sacrificed her own happiness and sanity to attempt to save her best friend. But here, [[spoiler:she's just obsessed in a really creepy ass way]]. I know [[spoiler:LoveMakesYouEvil]] and whatnot, but this just felt like a pointless attempt at being 'dark' (which, (and of course this series always was but this was just ridiculous) but which [[DarknessInducedAudienceApathy fell flat on its face instead.instead]]. Total bullshit. As far as I'm concerned, [[FanonDiscontinuity there is no Rebellion movie. The series ended after episode 12/the second movie.
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** Tropers/{{Silvermoon424}}: Seconded. I was extremely disappointed by the ending of the Rebellion movie. To make matters even worse, apparently the original ending consisted of [[spoiler:Ultimate Madoka taking Homura with her to heaven so they could finally be together forever.]] forever]]. That's an actually satisfying ending that does justice to both the series and the characters. Unfortunately, ExecutiveMeddling kicked in when the writer was told to scrap the original ending and replace it with an AssPull that [[SequelHook would allow the series to be continued. continued]]. So instead of a beautiful, if somewhat bittersweet, ending where [[spoiler:Homura and Ultimate Madoka get to stay together and Ultimate Madoka can continue her duty of being a magical girl savior]], we get one where [[spoiler:Homura turns into a PsychoLesbian and locks Madoka away in a GildedCage.]] GildedCage]]. [[SarcasmMode What a great ending to the series!]]
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** Tropers/{{KashimaKitty}}: Concurring with the above, but also I found the twist at the ending to be poorly done not so much from a character standpoint, but from a writing standpoint. [[spoiler: Having [[spoiler:Having Homura reach a result of such magnitude based on a complete misunderstanding is terrible writing. The scene would not have happened if (at least Madoka) had her proper memories. "I want Madoka to be happy." Doesn't work if Madoka was already happy with her decision to begin with.]]
** Tropers/{{chucknormie}}: While I was pissed off by Homura's selfish decision to [[spoiler:keep Madoka for herself]], what truly makes the end of this movie a DMOS was what she did afterwards. [[spoiler:Homucifer decides to MindRape [[FateWorseThanDeath Kyubey with all the sorrow that magical girls have felt over time]]]]. While this would be a fitting punishment for an unrepentant monster, [[spoiler:Kyubey is hardly that. He is trying to save the universe, after all]]. He should have gotten some kind of karma for his actions, but [[spoiler:he's not doing it ForTheEvulz; what Kyubey did did not warrant being ''forced to suffer for all eternity'']]. [[spoiler:So not So [[spoiler:not only did Homura deliver a severe case of DisproportionateRetribution, but she also doomed the universe to an early heat death.]] [[SarcasmMode Way to go, Homuhomu.]]



** Tropers/{{Kirby0189}}: I'm probably beating a dead horse by talking a bit more about the ending considering all of the entries already here for it, but I just really can't get over how [[EndingAversion they ruined an otherwise enjoyable movie by sticking in this crap]] and making me feel the need to [[FanonDiscontinuity pretend it never happened when I rarely feel that way.]] Even without considering how it completely defiles Homura's character, I legitimately do not see the build-up to the outcome. [[AssPull It just feels out of nowhere.]] Ok, they were interested in making a continuation. That's fine, but even without resorting to AlternateUniverse series, there are better ways to leave a series open for new stories than abruptly pulling stuff from seemingly nowhere and going against the pre-established character of one of the main heroines. [[LeftHanging Still waiting for that continuation by the way!]] Not worth it!

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** Tropers/{{Kirby0189}}: I'm probably beating a dead horse by talking a bit more about the ending considering all of the entries already here for it, but I just really can't get over how [[EndingAversion they ruined an otherwise enjoyable movie by sticking in this crap]] and making me feel the need to [[FanonDiscontinuity pretend it never happened when I rarely feel that way.]] Even without considering how it completely defiles Homura's character, I legitimately do not see the build-up to the outcome. [[AssPull It just feels out of nowhere.]] Ok, they were interested in making a continuation. That's fine, but even without resorting to AlternateUniverse series, there are better ways to leave a series open for new stories than abruptly pulling stuff from seemingly nowhere and going against the pre-established character of one of the main heroines. [[LeftHanging Still waiting for that continuation by the way!]] way]]! Not worth it!
** Tropers/{{MasterN}}: Leaving aside the fact that most of the “{{foreshadowing}}“ is incredibly vague and fails to actually set up the twist (it foreshadows that the twist will happen, but doesn’t give a logical setup that will make the viewer look back and realize it made sense), the worst part of all this? Is the fact that THIS is what Homura [[NeverLiveItDown will be seen as from now on]]. Already, [[https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.reddit.com/r/MadokaMagica/comments/6ocoiz/man_homura_is_quite_a_tragic_and_messedup/ people are talking about]] Homura as a “tragic” and “messed up” character who “did the right thing”- not only was what she did NOT the right thing in any capacity, not only is her reasoning fallacious and self-defeating, but it forever altered people’s perception of Homura. Most new discussions of Homura center on her actions in Rebellion. Looking her up online brings up all kinds of material referencing an ending I would rather forget. All around the Internet, people are praising the “daring” direction the ending took, and love Homura’s new character. When people think of Homura, no longer do they think of the complex, interesting AntiHero from the original series; instead people’s image of Homura is of a caricature so absurd it may as well have been lifted from a [[SturgeonsLaw bad fanfiction]]. It genuinely baffles me when I see so many fans praise the ending and say that Homura was right. It also does not feel right at all that I [[spoiler:[[UnintentionallySympathetic feel sorry for Kyubey]] and [[RootingForTheEmpire want him to overthrow Homura]]]]. And that saddens me. Homura was one of my favorite characters of all time back in the original series, so to see her replaced by this... copy that bears only superficial resemblance to the original, every time I try to indulge in my enjoyment of the character... it truly fills me with despair. [[Manga/SayonaraZetsubouSensei The ending of Rebellion has left me in despair.]]
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** Tropers/{{Kirby0189}}: I'm probably beating a dead horse by talking a bit more about the ending considering all of the entries already here for it, but I just really can't get over how [[EndingAversion they ruined an otherwise enjoyable movie by sticking in this crap]] and making me feel the need to [[FanonDiscontinuity pretend it never happened when I rarely feel that way.]] Even without considering how it completely defiles Homura's character, I legitimately do not see the build-up to the outcome. [[AssPull It just feels out of nowhere.]] Ok, they were interested in making a continuation. That's fine, but even without resorting to AlternateUniverse series, there are better ways to leave a series open for new stories than abruptly pulling stuff from seemingly nowhere and going against the pre-established character of one of the main heroines. [[LeftHanging Still waiting for that continuation by the way!]] Not worth it!
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** Tropers/ryanson209: Seconded! And it's extremely baffling too, since every moment before then they seemed to go out of their way to *not* reuse any music in the same film. Why even change it? It doesn't just undermine the scene, it creates a completely different mood by leaving in tense epic music instead of the tragic music it once had. (On a nerdier level, the music that was replaced in a way foreshadowed the sequel due with its track name, which I won't repeat here due to spoilers.)
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** Tropers/{{MechaMew2}}: As much as the swerve can be disappointing to many, consider the fact that Homura turned only as a result of [[spoiler:the Incubator's incessant meddling to take control of Madoka's powers]]. If I remember correctly, they [[spoiler:were the ones who essentially kidnapped Homura and induced her Soul Gem to despair, but the resulting conflict involving the other girls corrupted the Gem into a flux state between Magical Girl and Witch, and was a symbolic representation of Homura's corrupted mental state]]. Had the Incubators just left things the way they were, Homura would not have done what she did.

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* Tropers/DiscoGlacier: While I would argue that [[CompilationMovie the movies]] overall improve on what was already [[SugarWiki/SoCoolItsAwesome a masterpiece]], one change I didn't like was the replacement of "[[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LcoGD_pvKvM Nux Walpurgis]]" with a second playing of "[[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DTgYbT2cGm4 Surgam Identum]]." As terrific as the latter is for [[spoiler:the final battle between Homura and Walpurgis Night]], the former fit [[spoiler:Homura's falling to despair]] much better, and replaying a musical number twice in any case is just bad form for this sort of thing.
* Tropers/SloMotion: I love this series to death, I really do. I loved the idea of movie continuation, that is... until I saw the movie. I liked the first half, but then oh boy did things take an awful turn. And that horrid turn was Homura's [[spoiler:FaceHeelTurn into Akuma Homura and just the way she acted like a creepy PsychoLesbian StalkerWithACrush willing to selfishly rewrite the world for her own demented sake]] just killed it for me. Homura is my favorite PMMM character and in my opinion this movie just took a [[CharacterDerailment huge dump on her whole portrayal]]. The whole point of Homura is that she seemed cold and bitchy at first, but then it was so beautifully revealed in the series that she's NotSoStoic and truly has a good heart and sacrificed her own happiness and sanity to attempt to save her best friend. But here, [[spoiler:she's just obsessed in a really creepy ass way]]. I know [[spoiler:LoveMakesYouEvil]] and whatnot, but this just felt like a pointless attempt at being 'dark' (which, of course this series always was but this was just ridiculous) but fell flat on its face instead. Total bullshit. As far as I'm concerned, there is no Rebellion movie. The series ended after episode 12/the second movie.

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* Tropers/DiscoGlacier: While I would argue that [[CompilationMovie the movies]] overall improve on what was already [[SugarWiki/SoCoolItsAwesome a masterpiece]], masterpiece, one change I didn't like was the replacement of "[[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LcoGD_pvKvM Nux Walpurgis]]" with a second playing of "[[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DTgYbT2cGm4 Surgam Identum]]." As terrific as the latter is for [[spoiler:the final battle between Homura and Walpurgis Night]], the former fit [[spoiler:Homura's falling to despair]] much better, and replaying a musical number twice in any case is just bad form for this sort of thing.
* Tropers/SloMotion: I love this series to death, I really do. I loved the idea of movie continuation, that is... until I saw the movie. I liked the first half, but then oh boy did things take an awful turn. And that horrid turn was Homura's [[spoiler:FaceHeelTurn into Akuma Homura and just the way she acted like a creepy PsychoLesbian StalkerWithACrush willing to selfishly rewrite the world for her own demented sake]] just killed it for me. Homura is my favorite PMMM character and in my opinion this movie just took a [[CharacterDerailment huge dump on her whole portrayal]].portrayal. The whole point of Homura is that she seemed cold and bitchy at first, but then it was so beautifully revealed in the series that she's NotSoStoic and truly has a good heart and sacrificed her own happiness and sanity to attempt to save her best friend. But here, [[spoiler:she's just obsessed in a really creepy ass way]]. I know [[spoiler:LoveMakesYouEvil]] and whatnot, but this just felt like a pointless attempt at being 'dark' (which, of course this series always was but this was just ridiculous) but fell flat on its face instead. Total bullshit. As far as I'm concerned, there is no Rebellion movie. The series ended after episode 12/the second movie.



** Tropers/{{MagnetMissile}}: In my opinion, there were so many things wrong with Rebellion's revised ending. First off, the ShockingSwerve that is [[spoiler:Homura Akemi's FaceHeelTurn]]. It's a shame, I liked Homura in the main series as well. After what the movie did, turning Homura [[spoiler:into a psychotic devil, both metaphorically and literally]], I had no choice but to retract my opinion on her and the movie in general. I dearly apologize to fans of Rebellion, but the altered ending left a very bad taste that will likely never go away.



** Tropers/{{Asue}}: Tenthed. The fact that [[BroughtDownToNormal Madoka was completely back]] [[BadassDecay to being a simple human]] and that both Homura and Kyubei's characterizations [[CharacterDerailment went down the toilet]] (Homura is portrayed as a extremely PsychoLesbian with {{Yandere}} tendancies (which brings down some UnfortunateImplications) and that the subtlety of Kyubei's character was reduced from the BlueAndOrangeMorality and WellIntentionedExtremist to plain ForTheEvulz) made me completely dislike the movie. I hated it so much that [[FanonDiscontinuity I don't consider it canon]], as it would be an awful ending to a great series.
** Tropers/{{MasterN}}: Funny thing is that I actually thoroughly enjoyed the movie as a whole. I thought that most of it’s flaws were forgivable. ''But that ending.'' [[spoiler: I mean, there’s CharacterDerailment, there’s character assasination, ''and then'' there’s what they did to Homura. She abruptly turns evil for reasons that make no sense and completely contradict everything that came beforehand. And while Kyubey ''was'' a mass-murdering psychopath [[MoralSociopathy who happened to have a moral code,]] and “saving the universe” doesn’t really excuse thier atrocities, [[DisproportionateRetribution even they didn’t deserve]] ''[[MindRape that]].'' NO ONE deserves that- I wouldn’t even wish that fate on ''[[VideoGame/{{Blazblue}} Yuuki motherfucking Terumi]]!]]'' The fact that this was done just to “make room for sequels” makes this one of the worst cases of JumpingTheShark I’ve ever seen. There are many other ways I could think of to extend the franchise, but this was not a good call. I could go on and on, but I’d be here all day, so I’ll just close by saying that I consider this ending a black mark on an otherwise amazing series. To quote [[WebVideo/AtopTheFourthWall Linkara]]:
--> “...''editors aren't writers, so they should stop pretending they are''!''

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** Tropers/{{Asue}}: Tenthed. The fact that [[BroughtDownToNormal Madoka was completely back]] [[BadassDecay to being a simple human]] and that both Homura and Kyubei's characterizations [[CharacterDerailment went down the toilet]] toilet (Homura is portrayed as a extremely PsychoLesbian with {{Yandere}} tendancies (which brings down some UnfortunateImplications) and that the subtlety of Kyubei's character was reduced from the BlueAndOrangeMorality and WellIntentionedExtremist to plain ForTheEvulz) made me completely dislike the movie. I hated it so much that [[FanonDiscontinuity I don't consider it canon]], as it would be an awful ending to a great series.
** Tropers/{{MasterN}}: Funny thing is that I actually thoroughly enjoyed the movie as a whole. I thought that most of it’s flaws were forgivable. ''But that ending.'' [[spoiler: I mean, there’s CharacterDerailment, there’s character assasination, ''and then'' there’s what they did to Homura. She abruptly turns evil for reasons that make no sense and completely contradict everything that came beforehand. And while Kyubey ''was'' a mass-murdering psychopath [[MoralSociopathy who happened to have a moral code,]] and “saving the universe” doesn’t really excuse thier atrocities, [[DisproportionateRetribution even they didn’t deserve]] ''[[MindRape that]].'' NO ONE deserves that- I wouldn’t even wish that fate on ''[[VideoGame/{{Blazblue}} Yuuki motherfucking Terumi]]!]]'' The fact that this was done just to “make room for sequels” makes this one of the worst cases of JumpingTheShark I’ve ever seen. There are many other ways I could think of to extend the franchise, but this was not a good call. I could go on and on, but I’d be here all day, so I’ll just close by saying that I consider this ending a black mark on an otherwise amazing series. To quote [[WebVideo/AtopTheFourthWall Linkara]]:
--> “...''editors aren't writers, so they should stop pretending they are''!''
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** Tropers/{{MasterN}}: Funny thing is that I actually thoroughly enjoyed the movie as a whole. I thought that most of it’s flaws were forgivable. ''But that ending.'' [[spoiler: I mean, there’s CharacterDerailment, there’s character assasination, ''and then'' there’s what they did to Homura. She abruptly turns evil for reasons that make no sense and completely contradict everything that came beforehand. And while Kyubey ''was'' a mass-murdering psychopath [[MoralSociopathy who happened to have a moral code,]] and “saving the universe” doesn’t really excuse thier atrocities, [[DisproportionateRetribution even they didn’t deserve]] ''[[MindRape that]].'' NO ONE deserves that- I wouldn’t even wish that fate on ''[[VideoGame/{{Blazblue}} Yuuki motherfucking Terumi]]!]]'' And there are many other ways I could think of to extend the franchise, but this was not a good call. I could go on and on, but I’d be here all day, so I’ll just close by saying that I consider this ending a black mark on an otherwise amazing series. To quote [[WebVideo/AtopTheFourthWall Linkara]]:

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** Tropers/{{MasterN}}: Funny thing is that I actually thoroughly enjoyed the movie as a whole. I thought that most of it’s flaws were forgivable. ''But that ending.'' [[spoiler: I mean, there’s CharacterDerailment, there’s character assasination, ''and then'' there’s what they did to Homura. She abruptly turns evil for reasons that make no sense and completely contradict everything that came beforehand. And while Kyubey ''was'' a mass-murdering psychopath [[MoralSociopathy who happened to have a moral code,]] and “saving the universe” doesn’t really excuse thier atrocities, [[DisproportionateRetribution even they didn’t deserve]] ''[[MindRape that]].'' NO ONE deserves that- I wouldn’t even wish that fate on ''[[VideoGame/{{Blazblue}} Yuuki motherfucking Terumi]]!]]'' And there The fact that this was done just to “make room for sequels” makes this one of the worst cases of JumpingTheShark I’ve ever seen. There are many other ways I could think of to extend the franchise, but this was not a good call. I could go on and on, but I’d be here all day, so I’ll just close by saying that I consider this ending a black mark on an otherwise amazing series. To quote [[WebVideo/AtopTheFourthWall Linkara]]:

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** Tropers/{{MasterN}}: Funny thing is that I actually thoroughly enjoyed the movie as a whole. I thought that most of it’s flaws were forgivable. ''But that ending.'' [[spoiler: I mean, there’s CharacterDerailment, there’s character assasination, ''and then'' there’s what they did to Homura. She abruptly turns evil for reasons that make no sense and completely contradict everything that came beforehand. And while Kyubey ''was'' a mass-murdering psychopath [[MoralSociopathy who happened to have a moral code,]] and “saving the universe” doesn’t really excuse thier atrocities, [[DisproportionateRetribution even they didn’t deserve]] ''[[MindRape that]].'' NO ONE deserves that- I wouldn’t even wish that fate on ''[[VideoGame/{{Blazblue}} Yuuki motherfucking Terumi]]!]]'' And there are many other ways I could think of to extend the franchise, but this was not a good call. I could go on and on, but I’d be here all day, so I’ll just close by saying that I consider this ending a black mark on an otherwise amazing series.

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** Tropers/{{MasterN}}: Funny thing is that I actually thoroughly enjoyed the movie as a whole. I thought that most of it’s flaws were forgivable. ''But that ending.'' [[spoiler: I mean, there’s CharacterDerailment, there’s character assasination, ''and then'' there’s what they did to Homura. She abruptly turns evil for reasons that make no sense and completely contradict everything that came beforehand. And while Kyubey ''was'' a mass-murdering psychopath [[MoralSociopathy who happened to have a moral code,]] and “saving the universe” doesn’t really excuse thier atrocities, [[DisproportionateRetribution even they didn’t deserve]] ''[[MindRape that]].'' NO ONE deserves that- I wouldn’t even wish that fate on ''[[VideoGame/{{Blazblue}} Yuuki motherfucking Terumi]]!]]'' And there are many other ways I could think of to extend the franchise, but this was not a good call. I could go on and on, but I’d be here all day, so I’ll just close by saying that I consider this ending a black mark on an otherwise amazing series. To quote [[WebVideo/AtopTheFourthWall Linkara]]:
--> “...''editors aren't writers, so they should stop pretending they are''!''
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** Tropers/{{MasterN}}: Funny thing is that I actually thoroughly enjoyed the movie as a whole. I thought that most of it’s flaws were forgivable. ''But that ending.'' [[spoiler: I mean, there’s CharacterDerailment, there’s character assasination, ''and then'' there’s what they did to Homura. She abruptly turns evil for reasons that make no sense and completely contradict everything that came beforehand. And while Kyubey ''was'' a mass-murdering psychopath [[MoralSociopathy who happened to have a moral code,]] and “saving the universe” doesn’t really excuse thier atrocities, [[DisproportionateRetribution even they didn’t deserve]] ''[[MindRape that]].'']] There are many other ways I could think of to extend the franchise, but this was not a good call. I could go on and on, but I’d be here all day, so I’ll just close by saying that I consider this ending a black mark on an otherwise amazing series.

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** Tropers/{{MasterN}}: Funny thing is that I actually thoroughly enjoyed the movie as a whole. I thought that most of it’s flaws were forgivable. ''But that ending.'' [[spoiler: I mean, there’s CharacterDerailment, there’s character assasination, ''and then'' there’s what they did to Homura. She abruptly turns evil for reasons that make no sense and completely contradict everything that came beforehand. And while Kyubey ''was'' a mass-murdering psychopath [[MoralSociopathy who happened to have a moral code,]] and “saving the universe” doesn’t really excuse thier atrocities, [[DisproportionateRetribution even they didn’t deserve]] ''[[MindRape that]].'']] There '' NO ONE deserves that- I wouldn’t even wish that fate on ''[[VideoGame/{{Blazblue}} Yuuki motherfucking Terumi]]!]]'' And there are many other ways I could think of to extend the franchise, but this was not a good call. I could go on and on, but I’d be here all day, so I’ll just close by saying that I consider this ending a black mark on an otherwise amazing series.
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** Tropers/{{MasterN}}: Funny thing is that I actually thoroughly enjoyed the movie as a whole. I thought that most of it’s flaws were forgivable. ''But that ending.'' [[spoiler: I mean, there’s CharacterDerailment, there’s character assasination, ''and then'' there’s what they did to Homura. She abruptly turns evil for reasons that make no sense and completely contradict everything that came beforehand. And while Kyubey ''was'' a mass-murdering psychopath [[MoralSociopathy who happened to have a moral code,]] and “saving the universe” doesn’t really excuse thier atrocities, [[DisproportionateRetribution even they didn’t deserve]] ''[[MindRape that]].'']] There are many other ways I could think of to extend the franchise, but this was not a good call. I could go on and on, but I’d be here all day, so I’ll just close by saying that I consider this ending a black mark on an otherwise amazing series.
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** Tropers/{{Asue}} Tenthed. The fact that [[BroughtDownToNormal Madoka was completely back]] [[BadassDecay to being a simple human]] and that both Homura and Kyubei's characterizations [[CharacterDerailment went down the toilet]] (Homura is portrayed as a {{Flanderization extremely}} psychotic lesbian with {{Yandere}} tendancies (which brings down some UnfortunateImplications) and that the subtlety of Kyubei's character was reduced from the BlueAndOrangeMorality and WellIntentionedExtremist to plain ForTheEvulz) made me completely dislike the movie. I hated it so much that [[FanonDiscontinuity I don't consider it canon]], as it would be an awful ending to a great series.

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** Tropers/{{Asue}} Tropers/{{Asue}}: Tenthed. The fact that [[BroughtDownToNormal Madoka was completely back]] [[BadassDecay to being a simple human]] and that both Homura and Kyubei's characterizations [[CharacterDerailment went down the toilet]] (Homura is portrayed as a {{Flanderization extremely}} psychotic lesbian extremely PsychoLesbian with {{Yandere}} tendancies (which brings down some UnfortunateImplications) and that the subtlety of Kyubei's character was reduced from the BlueAndOrangeMorality and WellIntentionedExtremist to plain ForTheEvulz) made me completely dislike the movie. I hated it so much that [[FanonDiscontinuity I don't consider it canon]], as it would be an awful ending to a great series.
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** Tropers/{{Asue}} Tenthed. The fact that [[BroughtDownToNormal Madoka was completely back]] [[BadassDecay to being a simple human]] and that both Homura and Kyubei's characterizations [[CharacterDerailment went down the toilet]] (Homura is portrayed as a [[Flanderization extremely]] psychotic lesbian with {{Yandere}} tendancies (which brings down some UnfortunateImplications) and that the subtlety of Kyubei's character was reduced from the BlueAndOrangeMorality and WellIntentionedExtremist to plain ForTheEvulz) made me completely dislike the movie. I hated it so much that [[FanonDiscontinuity I don't consider it canon]], as it would be an awful ending to a great series.

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** Tropers/{{Asue}} Tenthed. The fact that [[BroughtDownToNormal Madoka was completely back]] [[BadassDecay to being a simple human]] and that both Homura and Kyubei's characterizations [[CharacterDerailment went down the toilet]] (Homura is portrayed as a [[Flanderization extremely]] {{Flanderization extremely}} psychotic lesbian with {{Yandere}} tendancies (which brings down some UnfortunateImplications) and that the subtlety of Kyubei's character was reduced from the BlueAndOrangeMorality and WellIntentionedExtremist to plain ForTheEvulz) made me completely dislike the movie. I hated it so much that [[FanonDiscontinuity I don't consider it canon]], as it would be an awful ending to a great series.
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** Tropers/{{Asue}} Tenthed. The fact that [[BroughtBackToNormal Madoka was completely back]] [[BadassDecay to being a simple human]] and that both Homura and Kyubei's characterizations [[CharacterDerailment went down the toilet]] (Homura is portrayed as a [[Flanderization extremely psychotic lesbian]] with {{Yandere}} tendancies and that the subtlety of Kyubei's character was reduced from the BlueAndOrangeMorality and WellIntendedExtremist to plain ForTheEvulz) made me completely dislike the movie. I hated it so much that [[FanonDiscontinuity I don't consider it canon]], as it would be an awful ending to a great series.

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** Tropers/{{Asue}} Tenthed. The fact that [[BroughtBackToNormal [[BroughtDownToNormal Madoka was completely back]] [[BadassDecay to being a simple human]] and that both Homura and Kyubei's characterizations [[CharacterDerailment went down the toilet]] (Homura is portrayed as a [[Flanderization extremely extremely]] psychotic lesbian]] lesbian with {{Yandere}} tendancies (which brings down some UnfortunateImplications) and that the subtlety of Kyubei's character was reduced from the BlueAndOrangeMorality and WellIntendedExtremist WellIntentionedExtremist to plain ForTheEvulz) made me completely dislike the movie. I hated it so much that [[FanonDiscontinuity I don't consider it canon]], as it would be an awful ending to a great series.
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** Tropers/{{Asue}} Tenthed. The fact that [[BroughtBackToNormal Madoka was completely back]] [[BadassDecay to being a simple human]] and that both Homura and Kyubei's characterizations [[CharacterDerailment went down the toilet]] (Homura is portrayed as a [[Flanderization extremely psychotic lesbian]] with {{Yandere}} tendancies and that the subtlety of Kyubei's character was reduced from the BlueAndOrangeMorality and WellIntendedExtremist to plain ForTheEvulz) made me completely dislike the movie. I hated it so much that [[FanonDiscontinuity I don't consider it canon]], as it would be an awful ending to a great series.
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* Tropers/DiscoGlacier: While I would argue that [[CompilationMovie the movies]] overall improve on what was already [[SoCoolItsAwesome a masterpiece]], one change I didn't like was the replacement of "[[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LcoGD_pvKvM Nux Walpurgis]]" with a second playing of "[[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DTgYbT2cGm4 Surgam Identum]]." As terrific as the latter is for [[spoiler:the final battle between Homura and Walpurgis Night]], the former fit [[spoiler:Homura's falling to despair]] much better, and replaying a musical number twice in any case is just bad form for this sort of thing.

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* Tropers/DiscoGlacier: While I would argue that [[CompilationMovie the movies]] overall improve on what was already [[SoCoolItsAwesome [[SugarWiki/SoCoolItsAwesome a masterpiece]], one change I didn't like was the replacement of "[[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LcoGD_pvKvM Nux Walpurgis]]" with a second playing of "[[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DTgYbT2cGm4 Surgam Identum]]." As terrific as the latter is for [[spoiler:the final battle between Homura and Walpurgis Night]], the former fit [[spoiler:Homura's falling to despair]] much better, and replaying a musical number twice in any case is just bad form for this sort of thing.

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** Tropers/{{EternityOfSpirits}}: While I understand that the ending happened because Urobuchi was unable to think of a good conculsion to the film, Shinbo's decision to artificially extend the series by having [[spoiler: Homura turn evil]] as a solution is confused at best and insulting at worst, especially since there was no actual continuation planned. While the idea is semi-interesting, it really, really didn't need to be handled as it was.
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** Tropers/{{TheOtakuNinja}} What bothers me about the revised ending - and I can't seem to find a straight answer for some reason - is that the ending was either to deconstruct the notion of a happy ending and/or fanworks that depict happy endings, or it was meant to lead up into a follow series - something that hasn't shown up yet. This strikes me as needlessly mean-spirited and morally despicable, not to mention the fact that this change-up [[spoiler: ends up removeing Madoka's character development.]] It ticks me off so much, even seeing [[spoiler:the Incubators getting their just desserts in the end]] can't get the bad taste out of my mouth.

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** Tropers/{{TheOtakuNinja}} Tropers/{{TheOtakuNinja}}: What bothers me the most about the revised ending - and I can't seem to find a straight answer for some reason - is that the ending was meant to either to deconstruct the notion of a happy ending and/or fanworks that depict happy endings, or it was meant to lead up into a follow series - something that hasn't shown up yet. This strikes me as needlessly mean-spirited and morally despicable, not to mention the fact that this change-up [[spoiler: ends [[spoiler:ends up removeing removing Madoka's character development.]] It ticks me off so much, even seeing [[spoiler:the Incubators getting their just desserts in the end]] can't get the bad taste out of my mouth.
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* Tropers/{{akanesarumara}}: For me it was Hitomi suddenly saying she has feelings for Kyousuke. She showed no signs of it beforehand, she had plenty other reasons to be susceptible to a witch's kiss than repressed feelings as she had been burdened with several extracurriclar activities that left her with less free time than her friends, and Sayaka's breakdown would have happened in pretty much the same way without it too, just maybe in a bit longer time. She never asked Sayaka or Madoka about how Kamijou was doing, she just said she had feelings for him after he came back to school.

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