History DethroningMoment / MyLittlePonyFriendshipIsMagic

** @/{Yoyomom}: I didn't like Magical mystery cure. At all. Applejack got Rarity's cutie mark. Couldn't they go one season without comparing Rarity to Applejack or vice versa? Rainbow Dash got tied up making Rarity the only member of the mane six that has never been tied up nor gagged (if you count Pinkie's mouth being removed as a gag). And Twilight spends the first half of the episode getting her friends back to being themselves, and spends the rest of the generation not being herself. Because she turned into an alicorn which means she's less like Rarity, more like Cadence, she outranks her friends more than she already does, and she's probably never gonna see her friends again after they die. If you ask me, all hatred for Twilicorn is completely justified.

** @/Yoyomom: I didn't like Magical mystery cure. At all. Applejack got Rarity's cutie mark. Couldn't they go one season without comparing Rarity to Applejack or vice versa? Rainbow Dash got tied up making Rarity the only member of the mane six that has never been tied up nor gagged (if you count Pinkie's mouth being removed as a gag). And Twilight spends the first half of the episode getting her friends back to being themselves, and spends the rest of the generation not being herself. Because she turned into an alicorn which mmeans she's less like Rarity, more like Cadence, she outranks her friends more than she already does, and she's probably never gonna see her friends again after they die. If you ask me, all hatred for Twilicorn is completely justified.

** chariset: Whatever this episode was meant to be, it turned into "We don't care what the PeripheryDemographic thinks -- we write this for little girls." It has to go to town on a strawman to do it, too. The argument, "you can't complain about the writing errors in our natural, unscripted lives!" doesn't work when applied to a show which has writers and a script. And while it was funny to hear some of the most common complaints voiced in-universe by ponies ("Fluttershy keeps learning the same lesson over and over!"), it's clear that no one is going to actually ''address'' those frustrations. The overall effect is just spiteful and mean-spirited.

** chariset: Whatever this episode was meant to be, it turned into "We don't care what the PeripheryDemographic thinks -- we write this for little girls." It has to go to town on a strawman to do it, too. The argument that "you can't complain about the writing errors in our natural, unscripted lives!" doesn't work when ''your show has writers and a script''. And while it is funny to hear some of the most common complaints voiced by ponies ("Fluttershy keeps learning the same lessons over and over!"), it's clear that no one is going to actually ''address'' those frustrations. The overall effect is just spiteful and mean-spirited.

** Tropers/{{Teleport Ted}}: The villain-summons scene, for how it {{Retcon}}s everything about King Sombra: That unique NoNonsenseNemesis ("The Crystal Empire" and "The Cutie Re-Mark")? Now a StupidEvil stereotype. His CharacterDevelopment and that {{Worldbuilding}}[[note]]Chestnut Falls, Radiant Hope, Princess Amore, the Umbrum, etc.[[/note]] (''[[ComicBook/MyLittlePonyFiendshipIsMagic FIENDship Is Magic]]'' and ''[[Recap/MyLittlePonyFriendshipIsMagicIDWIssue34To37 Siege of the Crystal Empire]]'')? Decanonized, so both he and the Empire are back at square one... It's not the only reason this is my least-favorite Season, sadly, but it is the first that comes to mind.

** Tropers/{{Teleport Ted}}: The villain-summons scene, for how it {{Retcon}}s everything about King Sombra: That unique NoNonsenseNemesis ("The Crystal Empire" and "The Cutie Re-Mark")? Now a StupidEvil stereotype. His CharacterDevelopment and that {{Worldbuilding}}[[note]]Chestnut Falls, Radiant Hope, Princess Amore, the Umbrum, etc.[[/note]] (''[[ComicBook/MyLittlePonyFiendshipIsMagic FIENDship Is Magic]]'' and ''[[Recap/MyLittlePonyFriendshipIsMagicIDWIssue34To37 Siege of the Crystal Empire]]'')? [[CanonDiscontinuity Didn't happen]], and both [[GenericDoomsdayVillain he]] and the [[MysteriousPast Crystal Empire]] are back at square one... It's not the only reason this is my least-favorite Season, sadly, but it is the first that comes to mind.

** Tropers/{{Teleport Ted}}: The villain-gathering scene, for how it {{Retcon}}s everything about King Sombra: That unique NoNonsenseNemesis ("The Crystal Empire" and "The Cutie Re-Mark")? Now a StupidEvil stereotype. All that CharacterDevelopment and {{Worldbuilding}}[[note]]Chestnut Falls, Radiant Hope, Princess Amore, the Umbrum, etc.[[/note]] (''[[ComicBook/MyLittlePonyFiendshipIsMagic FIENDship Is Magic]]'' and ''[[Recap/MyLittlePonyFriendshipIsMagicIDWIssue34To37 Siege of the Crystal Empire]]'')? [[CanonDiscontinuity Didn't happen]], and both [[GenericDoomsdayVillain he]] and the [[MysteriousPast Crystal Empire]] are back at square one... It may not be the only reason this is my least-favorite Season, sadly, but it's certainly the first that comes to mind.

** Tropers/{{Teleport Ted}}: The villain-gathering scene, for how it {{Retcon}}s everything about King Sombra: That unique NoNonsenseNemesis ("The Crystal Empire" and "The Cutie Re-Mark")? Now a StupidEvil stereotype. All that CharacterDevelopment and {{Worldbuilding}}[[note]]Chestnut Falls, Radiant Hope, Princess Amore, the Umbrum, etc.[[/note]] (''ComicBook/MyLittlePonyFiendshipIsMagic'' [[ComicBook/MyLittlePonyFriendshipIsMagicIDW and]] ''Siege of the Crystal Empire'')? [[CanonDiscontinuity Didn't happen]], and both [[GenericDoomsdayVillain he]] and the [[MysteriousPast Crystal Empire]] are back at square one... It may not be the only reason this is my least-favorite Season, sadly, but it's certainly the first that comes to mind.

** Tropers/{{Teleport Ted}}: The villain-gathering scene, for how it {{Retcon}}s everything about King Sombra: That unique NoNonsenseNemesis ("The Crystal Empire" and "The Cutie Re-Mark")? Now a StupidEvil stereotype. All that CharacterDevelopment and {{Worldbuilding}}[[note]]Chestnut Falls, Radiant Hope, Princess Amore, the Umbrum, etc.[[/note]] (''[=FIENDship=] Is Magic'' [[ComicBook/MyLittlePonyFriendshipIsMagicIDW and]] ''Siege of the Crystal Empire'')? [[CanonDiscontinuity Didn't happen]], and both [[GenericDoomsdayVillain he]] and the [[MysteriousPast Crystal Empire]] are back at square one... It may not be the only reason this is my least-favorite Season, sadly, but it's certainly the first that comes to mind.

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* Tropers/JojiMC: Well, since someone already mentioned Rainbow Dash calling out her parents for their [[Manchild childish behavior]] in [[Recap/MyLittlePonyFriendshipIsMagicS7E7ParentalGlideance Parental Glideance]], I figured I might as well talk about ''WesternAnimation/MyLittlePonyBestGiftEver''. Now, don't get me wrong: I loved ''Best Gift Ever''. But there's a scene at the start of the episode that just bugged me. During the One More Day song, when the Apples and Pies are getting ready for Hearth's Warming, Big Mac and Sugar Belle kiss UnderTheMistletoe... right in front of Marble Pie, who cringes in heartbreak. Um, what? Look, I'm not a Marble x Big Mac shipper but this scene was too mean even for me. This is one of the many reasons why I don't ship Big Mac with Sugar Belle. [[TheWoobie Poor Marble]]...

Spike's rejection of Twilight as a parental figure in favor of his real father is the cherry on top of an IdiotPlot episode. It's a slap in the face to everyone who cared about Spike and Twilight's relationship and it spits on the past seven seasons spent exploring it.

** [=Shamrock95=]: Put quite simply, this episode has the most glaring and blatant use of the IdiotBall that I have seen not just in this show, but in any other show. Twilight and her friends discover that Starswirl the Bearded and the other Pillars of Equestria sealed themselves in Limbo a thousand years ago in order to imprison the Pony of Shadows, and that there is a way to bring the Pillars back from Limbo. Now, given how intelligent and analytical Twilight is, you would expect her to pick up on the possibility that they may end up also releasing the Pony of Shadows if they release the Pillars, and at the very least try and set up a failsafe. But no—Twilight is so blinded by her Starswirl fangirl side that she decides to go ahead and release them with no regard for the consequences. [[SarcasmMode Surprise surprise]], the Pony of Shadows is released, because Twilight—who is supposed to be the smart, intelligent, rational member of the Mane 6—was apparently too stupid and shortsighted to see that coming. This was enough to make me turn away from this episode in disgust, as it is a simply unforgivable case of IdiotPlot. I can honestly say that I was immensely disappointed, and now consider this to be the show's nadir.

** {{@/MightyMewtron}}: What I hate about Starlight's redemption is how it's really just crammed into the one musical number at the end of the episode. Sunset Shimmer needed the entire [[WesternAnimation/MyLittlePonyEquestriaGirlsRainbowRocks sequel movie]] to redeem herself after her horrible behavior. Twilight refused to trust Trixie after she terrorized a town. Discord still has ponies distrust him ''five seasons'' after his redemption arc began. So why is Starlight so EasilyForgiven so fast, and is in fact ''rewarded'' for her magical ability by becoming Twilight's student and never punished in any form? The worst part is probably when she returns to her village, and the ponies there welcome her back with open arms, [[AngstWhatAngst without any of them showing any signs of fear or trauma that would be way more accurate to somebody who essentially brainwashed and abused you into repressing your whole personality for years.]] The fact that we're supposed to pity ''her'' in later episodes for expecting the village ponies to hate her is completely unfair, and anybody who admits that the village ponies would be totally justified for that is brushed off! In addition, her personality feels totally warped from this episode on, which sucks because her ability to manipulate ponies into following her ideology was [[TheyWastedAPerfectlyGoodCharacter a really interesting and unique villain concept.]] They threw that to the wayside for a generic "overpowered magical villain who hates friendship," then threw it all away for the remorseful but far too easily liked redeemed villain.

** @/{{Wiresandstuff}}: I was concerned about how the second season finale would turn out, with it apparently introducing two new Mary Sue-ish characters with [[RememberTheNewGuy shoehorned life-long connections to Twilight]], but I had faith in the production team and hoped for the best. It seemed my fears had been quelled by the mid-point of part 2, with the introduction of a menacing new antagonist complete with villain song, and possibly one of the best action sequences of the whole series. What irked me about this episode, however, was the way in which the conflict was resolved; with Princess Celestia and the mane six captured and changelings running rampant around Canterlot, Cadance and Shining Armour use their love for one another to fuel a shockwave that sends all the changelings flying out of the city (Queen Chrysalis allows them to do this, scoffing at the concept despite [[WhatAnIdiot using that same love moments ago to defeat Celestia]]). Now my problem isn't the use of the PowerOfLove in and of itself (as if the PowerOfFriendship as any less sappy), but with the Elements of Harmony, at least we got to see Twilight bond with each of her friends and learn about their virtues. Here, we're given two undeveloped characters, told they love each other because, um, they're both nice, and their love is powerful enough to set off the spell. I think the writers did their best with what they were given to work with, but this just feels like a really lame way to wrap things up.

** {{@/Psyga315}}: With the wounds of ACW mended, it feels sensible to shift to a new DMOS. No, it's not how Celestia and the others were captured to make Starlight look good; [[AuthorsSavingThrow they actually introduced her and fleshed her out a bit]] unlike what they did with [[AssPull Shining Armor and Cadance]]. The problem here is that the heroes simply let Chrysalis go. You're telling me that you imprison (or even kill) villains who enslave Equestria under different means ranging from eternal night/chaos to draining Equestria of all its magic, sometimes twice, and yet for the villain who caused terrorist attacks and multiple kidnappings (and if we're accounting comics as canon, the genocide of an entire nation), you not only offer a hoof of friendship (granted, the one who offered said friendship [[HeelFaceTurn was no saint herself]]) but when she obviously didn't go for it, just let her go despite knowing full well that she'll be back? There's TurnTheOtherCheek and then there's [[TheFarmerAndTheViper letting a known terrorist linger around]]. There's an old saying: [[Recap/MyLittlePonyFriendshipIsMagicS2E25ACanterlotWeddingPart1 Fool me once]], [[YouMonster shame on you]]. [[Recap/MyLittlePonyFriendshipIsMagicS6E25ToWhereAndBackAgainPart1 Fool me twice]], [[WhatAnIdiot shame on me]].

** AjWargo: Brace yourself for what I consider to be the biggest slap in the face ever, fellow bronies. Let me paraphrase a horrible twist on par with my entry: [[Film/MonsterAGoGo As if a rug had been pulled, as if a trap had been sprung, as if the idiotic writers had made a move eons beyond our comprehension, suddenly… there was no Grogar.]] It was Discord in disguise using the villains to prepare Twilight to be a good ruler. TheyWastedAPerfectlyGoodCharacter doesn’t even begin to describe this. For one thing, this goes against nearly everything about Discord- why would he be trying to use these villains as pawns if he knows Tirek attacked him before? Also, there wasn’t that many hints that this was the case- Grogar never displayed any semblance of Discord’s personalty, and they even got a different voice actor. At least with ''WesternAnimation/MiraculousLadybug'', fans easily pieced together that Gabriel was Hawk Moth due to them having the same voice actor- so why give Grogar a different one if it's going to come to a fake out? The only hint was a single line from Discord, but that, in my opinion, was not enough, and on its own, it doesn’t indicate Discord is up to something very well at all. And, in terms of writing, why would you deny the fans a final battle with one of G1’s best villains? Bronies had been putting Grogar in countless fanfics before Season 9, and all of them put some unique spin on the character. But Dubuc and the other writers? They use him for a pointless twist and don’t even give him much backstory, making every single fanfic featuring Grogar better in execution. And you know what the worst part about this was? According to Miller, this twist was planned ''from the very beginning''. If that’s the case, why not just make another original villain and not use Grogar? They already made multiple original villains and it probably wouldn’t have been too hard to make another! Instead, they use Grogar and, in doing so, ruin his good name, his entire G1 serial, and possibly even the very concept of G1 itself! I am personally angry about this because I am a huge fan of G1 and was looking forward to a proper final battle. This ruined the finale for me and made me fear for the future of this franchise.

** Ferigeras: For the most part I was alright with this finale. I did kind of enjoy the timelines that were showcased (even if they were blatant FanficFuel) and especially all the cameos of the previous villains (Although I would have really loved to see more of Tirek). But it has one critical moment I really despise, and something that in retrospect makes some of the earlier episodes hard to watch. What I consider to be this show's [[DarthWiki/DethroningMomentOfSuck Dethroning Moment]] is how Rainbow Dash failing to perform her first Sonic Rainboom was this critical to this plot, and what would have happened to Equestria as an effect. Now I do respect the fact that they touched on an early episode the way they did, but what really bothered me was the fact that it's this SINGLE event that the ''entirety of Equestria'' somehow depended on... I just can't get behind that. To be fair, they did attempt to explain this as being some kind of "Butterfly Effect", but this was just exaggerating it in the worst way possible. I mean sure, "The Cutie Mark Chronicles" showed how this event linked the Mane 6 together, but for that one friendship to mean everything for the fate of Equestria as a whole is almost incomprehensible... and no, them being the "Elements of Harmony" is simply no excuse as there could have easily been other ponies with similiar devotions if something like this were ever to happen. But really now, according to this finale, if the Mane 6 weren't... the Mane 6, all those villains we have seen would have succeeded in their schemes and all of Equestria would have been devastated in one way or another, which can easily be qualified as one of the most contrived and stupid cases of EvilOnlyHasToWinOnce ever. And let's not forget how it basically implies that the Mane 6 in general are the ''only'' things capable of keeping Equestria peaceful. If that was the case, how the hell did Equestria even last this long under such circumstances?

** AjWargo: Brace yourself for what I consider to be the biggest slap in the face ever, fellow bronies. Let me paraphrase a horrible twist on par with my entry: [[Film/MonsterAGoGo As if a rug had been pulled, as if a trap had been sprung, as if the idiotic writers had made a move eons beyond our comprehension, suddenly… there was no Grogar.]] It was Discord in disguise using the villains to prepare Twilight to be a good ruler. TheyWastedAPerfectlyGoodCharacter doesn’t even begin to describe this. For one thing, this goes against nearly everything about Discord- why would he be trying to use these villains as pawns if he knows Tirek attacked him before? Also, there wasn’t that many hints that this was the case- Grogar never displayed any semblance of Discord’s personalty, and they even got a different voice actor. The only hint was a single line from Discord, but that, in my opinion, was not enough, and on its own, it doesn’t indicate Discord is up to something very well at all. And, in terms of writing, why would you deny the fans a final battle with one of G1’s best villains? Bronies had been putting Grogar in countless fanfics before Season 9, and all of them put some unique spin on the character. But Dubuc and the other writers? They use him for a pointless twist and don’t even give him much backstory, making every single fanfic featuring Grogar better in execution. And you know what the worst part about this was? According to Miller, this twist was planned ''from the very beginning''. If that’s the case, why not just make another original villain and not use Grogar? They already made multiple original villains and it probably wouldn’t have been too hard to make another! Instead, they use Grogar and, in doing so, ruin his good name, his entire G1 serial, and possibly even the very concept of G1 itself! I am personally angry about this because I am a huge fan of G1 and was looking forward to a proper final battle. This ruined the finale for me and made me fear for the future of this franchise.

** AjWargo: Brace yourself for what I consider to be the biggest slap in the face ever, fellow bronies. Let me paraphrase a horrible twist on par with my entry: [[Film/MonsterAGoGo As if a rug had been pulled, as if a trap had been sprung, as if the idiotic writers had made a move eons beyond our comprehension, suddenly… there was no Grogar.]] It was Discord in disguise using the villains to prepare Twilight to be a good ruler. TheyWastedAPerfectlyGoodCharacter doesn’t even begin to describe this. For one thing, this goes against nearly everything about Discord- why would he be trying to use these villains as pawns if he knows Tirek attacked him before? Also, there wasn’t that many hints that this was the case- Grogar never displayed any semblance of Discord’s personalty, and they even got a different voice actor, which makes me feel sorry for Doc Harris. The poor guy is, from what I gathered, a popular person in Canada, and he deserved much better than that. The only hint was a single line from Discord, but that, in my opinion, was not enough, and on its own, it doesn’t indicate Discord is up to something very well at all. And, in terms of writing, why would you deny the fans a final battle with one of G1’s best villains? Bronies had been putting Grogar in countless fanfics before Season 9, and all of them put some unique spin on the character. But Dubuc and the other writers? They use him for a pointless twist and don’t even give him much backstory, making every single fanfic featuring Grogar better in execution. And you know what the worst part about this was? According to Miller, this twist was planned ''from the very beginning''. If that’s the case, why not just make another original villain and not use Grogar? They already made multiple original villains and it probably wouldn’t have been too hard to make another! Instead, they use Grogar and, in doing so, ruin his good name, his entire G1 serial, and possibly even the very concept of G1 itself! I am personally angry about this because I am a huge fan of G1 and was looking forward to a proper final battle. This ruined the finale for me and made me fear for the future of this franchise.

** [=DoctorWTF=]: Rainbow Dash being disappointed at being assigned to coach the cheer squad instead of getting to be involved in actual athletics? Understandable. Seeing herself as unqualified despite having prior experience with cheering in "Sonic Rainboom" and "Parental Glideance"? Also justified - none of that was comparable to a cheer squad like what she was asked to coach here. The Element of Loyalty shamelessly abandoning the cheer squad to watch the buckball team practice? Highly questionable at best. Disparaging the concept of cheer squads to the cheer squad itself, being grossly disrespectful to students who also have her as a teacher? [[OutOfCharacterMoment Way out of character]] by any rational standard. Showing zero empathy when Yona and Ocellus run away crying, seeing nothing wrong with her behavior until Smolder spells it out for her? Now that's taking "out of character" UpToEleven, throwing out the entire series' worth of character growth and regressing Rainbow Dash to an even worse state than when she was first introduced. It's as if this episode was written by someone whose only exposure to Rainbow Dash was the first five minutes of "The Mysterious Mare Do Well". Seeing her reduced to an utterly unlikable jerkass was absolutely cringe-worthy.

** Tropers/{{MsCC93}}: Rainbow Dash [[MinorInsultMeltdown (while in a harsh way) telling her parents about their childish behavior, reducing them to tears]]. While it was harsh of Dash to do that, you can't help but take her side in this. She is completely right in how her parents are too supportive to the point that they act [[ManChild very immature for their age]]. The thing is, I find Rainbow Dash to [[WackyParentSeriousChild to be more mature than her parents because when she cheers for her friends or others, she doesn't behave in such a way]]. I mean you can deliver a moral regarding loving your parents without ignoring their childish behavior.

** Tropers/LordDarkcaller: What made me a bit upset was the fact that they made a [[HollywoodNerd nerd]] [[HollywoodHomely jo]][[ArsonMurderAndJaywalking ke]] in My Little Pony: Friendship is Magic! I mean, come on! This isn't a Disney/Nickelodeon sitcom! I watch this show to get away from those jokes! That really took me by surprise and left me with a bad taste in my mouth.

** tvlegend: While I am quite upset with the twist that Grogar is not real, the thing about it that sickens me most is the fact that Discord put Fluttershy, his closest friend, in danger. Let me repeat that. Discord just put his best friend in a situation where she could have been seriously hurt, or even killed, all so that he could give Twilight a confidence boost! If one of my friends was in need of a confidence boost, I wouldn't lock him in a house with a serial killer! Even though Fluttershy isn't my favorite member of the Mane 6 (That honor goes to Rainbow Dash), I'm still quite ticked off that Discord wound up endangering her life through this stupid plan of his! Oh, and the extra kicker? Fluttershy only survived the events of this finale thanks to the efforts of the Young Six. Had they failed to convince their respective kingdoms to help fight against the Terrible Trio, then Fluttershy, along with the rest of the Mane Six and Spike, would have been killed on the spot, and Discord, whether he intended it or not, would have been responsible for the death of his best friend!

** AjWargo: Brace yourself for what I consider to be the biggest slap in the face ever, fellow bronies. Let me paraphrase a horrible twist on par with my entry: [[Film/MonsterAGoGo As if a switch had been turned, as if an eye had been blinked, as if some phantom force in the universe had made a move eons beyond our comprehension, suddenly… there was no Grogar.]] It was Discord in disguise using the villains to prepare Twilight to be a good ruler. TheyWastedAPerfectlyGoodCharacter doesn’t even begin to describe this. For one thing, this goes against nearly everything about Discord- why would he be trying to use these villains as pawns if he knows Tirek attacked him before? Also, there wasn’t that many hints that this was the case- Grogar never displayed any semblance of Discord’s personalty, and they even got a different voice actor, which makes me feel sorry for Doc Harris. The poor guy is, from what I gathered, a popular person in Canada, and he deserved much better than that. The only hint was a single line from Discord, but that, in my opinion, was not enough, and on its own, it doesn’t indicate Discord is up to something very well at all. And, in terms of writing, why would you deny the fans a final battle with one of G1’s best villains? Bronies had been putting Grogar in countless fanfics before Season 9, and all of them put some unique spin on the character. But Dubuc and the other writers? They use him for a pointless twist and don’t even give him much backstory, making every single fanfic featuring Grogar better in execution. And you know what the worst part about this was? According to Miller, this twist was planned ''from the very beginning''. If that’s the case, why not just make another original villain and not use Grogar? They already made multiple original villains and it probably wouldn’t have been too hard to make another! Instead, they use Grogar and, in doing so, ruin his good name, his entire G1 serial, and possibly even the very concept of G1 itself! I am personally angry about this because I am a huge fan of G1 and was looking forward to a proper final battle. This ruined the finale for me and made me fear for the future of this franchise.

** AjWargo: Brace yourself for what I consider to be the biggest slap in the face ever, fellow bronies. Let me paraphrase a horrible twist on par with my entry: [[Film/MonsterAGoGo As if a switch had been turned, as if an eye had been blinked, as if some phantom force in the universe had made a move eons beyond our comprehension, suddenly… there was no Grogar.]] It was Discord in disguise using the villains to prepare Twilight to be a good ruler. TheyWastedAPerfectlyGoodCharacter doesn’t even begin to describe this. For one thing, this goes against nearly everything about Discord- why would he be trying to use these villains as pawns if he knows Tirek attacked him before? Also, there wasn’t that many hints that this was the case- Grogar never displayed any semblance of Discord’s personalty, and they even got a different voice actor, which makes me feel sorry for Doc Harris. The poor guy deserved much better than that. The only hint was a single line from Discord, but that, in my opinion, was not enough, and on its own, it doesn’t indicate Discord is up to something very well at all. And, in terms of writing, why would you deny the fans a final battle with one of G1’s best villains? Bronies had been putting Grogar in countless fanfics before Season 9, and all of them put some unique spin on the character. But Dubuc and the other writers? They use him for a pointless twist and don’t even give him much backstory, making every single fanfic featuring Grogar better in execution. And you know what the worst part about this was? According to Miller, this twist was planned ''from the very beginning''. If that’s the case, why not just make another original villain and not use Grogar? They already made multiple original villains and it probably wouldn’t have been too hard to make another! Instead, they use Grogar and, in doing so, ruin his good name, his entire G1 serial, and possibly even the very concept of G1 itself! I am personally angry about this because I am a huge fan of G1 and was looking forward to a proper final battle. This ruined the finale for me and made me fear for the future of this franchise.

** Javertshark13: The worst part about the twist is the sheer level of MoralDissonance involved. Up until the reveal, I was actually impressed that the writers had manged to flesh out the villains and make them somewhat sympathetic, due to [[BadBoss Grogar's abusive treatment of them]]. Then we find out that Discord was using the villains, including a child, as disposable pawns, and we're expected to sympathize with his motives in doing this. Apparently, we're not supposed to care that Discord showed such callousness towards their lives, and we're actually meant to feel sorry for him because the villains he was abusing turned on him. It's a complete double standard, as until this point, Grogar's treatment of the villains seemed to depict him as [[EvilerThanThou even worse than they were]], but then we're told that since it was actually Discord, it's suddenly forgivable. Even when the heroes call him out, they're only angry that his plan was reckless and put Equestria in danger, with no one mentioning that abusing and manipulating others, regardless of their own crimes, is wrong. It's bad enough on its own, but the fact that he involved Cozy Glow in this makes it come off as the show saying that child abuse is okay, as long as said child is evil, and therefore deserves anything she gets. It makes Discord come off as sociopathic, and is easily the most sickening thing I've seen on the show.

** Tropers/{{Teleport Ted}}: The villain-gathering scene, for how it {{Retcon}}s everything about King Sombra: That unique NoNonsenseNemesis ("The Crystal Empire" and "The Cutie Re-Mark")? Now a cackling, clichéd BigBadWannabe. All that CharacterDevelopment and {{Worldbuilding}}[[note]]Chestnut Falls, Radiant Hope, Princess Amore, the Umbrum, etc.[[/note]] (''[=FIENDship=] Is Magic'' [[ComicBook/MyLittlePonyFriendshipIsMagicIDW and]] ''Siege of the Crystal Empire'')? [[CanonDiscontinuity Didn't happen]], and both [[GenericDoomsdayVillain he]] and the [[MysteriousPast Crystal Empire]] are back at square one... It may not be the only reason this is my least-favorite Season, sadly, but it's certainly the first that comes to mind.